I knew I should’ve scheduled a post on this topic last night, what with the klown being down due to tooth doctorin’. I was pretty sure it was going to be top of the Meme today, and it is.
Late yesterday, Planned Parenthood basically copped to it, although in the most defensive way possible:
“In health care, patients sometimes want to donate tissue to scientific research that can help lead to medical breakthroughs, such as treatments and cures for serious diseases. Women at Planned Parenthood who have abortions are no different. At several of our health centers, we help patients who want to donate tissue for scientific research, and we do this just like every other high-quality health care provider does — with full, appropriate consent from patients and under the highest ethical and legal standards. There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood. In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field.
“A well funded group established for the purpose of damaging Planned Parenthood’s mission and services has promoted a heavily edited, secretly recorded videotape that falsely portrays Planned Parenthood’s participation in tissue donation programs that support lifesaving scientific research. Similar false accusations have been put forth by opponents of abortion services for decades. These groups have been widely discredited and their claims fall apart on closer examination, just as they do in this case.”
The admission basically boils down to: Yeah, we’re doing it, but…
- Everybody’s doing it with tissue (Argumentum ad populum)
- Aborted babies are just tissue (false equivalence)
- You can’t trust the source because they planned to attack us and are pro-life (ad hominem & appeal to belief)
I predict Dr. Deborah Nucatola will resign within 48 hours. This is bad, very bad PR, and the fact that they were callously discussing this over wine and salad, well, it basically ups the yuck factor.
This is an open thread.
I don’t know which of these fallacies is more heinous, but the “tissue” claim takes the cake. The good Dr gave a pretty vivid description of crushing various parts of the fetal body in order preserve other parts, specifically organs, for special requests. While organs are made of tissue, they are called organs because they have advanced past the mere tissue stage.
Being facetious here – what medical school did this good ‘doctor’ graduate from – an ivy league school.
Thanks for this post and the comment. I am so horrified that I don’t have anything intelligent to say about it at all. And what’s all over my FB feed today? “I TOTALLY DON’T FEEL BAD about having an abortion!!!!” stories.
I’d like to see the “good doctor” resign. Better yet, I’d like to see her fired. I would also like to see PP defunded by the gov’t immediately.
This is one time I’d like to see this as a completely made-up story. It is appalling, disgusting and depraved. And that she spoke about it casually over lunch is beyond the pale.
I’d like to see her prosecuted.
Oh, yes! I’d lake that as well. Not only the doctor, but also the Planned Parenthood organization.
Some states might do it if they can get proof and the DOJ doesn’t interfere. The statutes would be state jurisdiction.
They are murderers. 👿
http://freebeacon.com/issues/clinton-dem-hopefuls-silent-on-planned-parenthood-organ-sales-video/
the loud sound of silence
Medical folks when they get off into some topics are not quite like the rest of us. But this is criminal. Desecration of a human corpse (which is also a war crime), sale of human body parts, etc are illegal. Unless they have a iron clad contract from the “donors” (mother’s and possibly fathers and you know they don’t) they are in big trouble. Statutory law forbids this stuff and I’m not sure the “clump” of cells argument will wash although they will try it.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/14/the-retail-value-of-fetal-organs-harvested-by-planned-parenthood/
wonder if they had Labor Day sales
Laws like the sale of human organs and immigration enforcement in sanctuary cities only apply to the non-politically connected. You can break any law, harm anyone, steal with impunity if you are hooked up with clout. PP has clout and the DOJ is controlled by the Dems. The reality of this is growing with in your face examples of it daily.
It’s certainly a game changer for PP’s PR that we’re removing “just a clump of cells”.
Organ harvesting. Without consent. To make money. From the unborn. Evil incarnate.
And they claim it is for specimens. Like what if it used in freakozoid “beauty products” or some weird shit like rhino horn. Like this bizarro PP executive would care as long as money was handed over.
First they kill. Then they harvest organs. It sounds like an old “Law and Order” episode. Only in “Law and Order” besides being immoral, it was illegal.
In bronco-ville, immorality/illegality is immaterial.
First off these are state laws. Secondly Bronco doesn’t control all of them. Thirdly the statute of limitations won’t be up by the time he is gone. And many states have had up to their eyeballs with PP’s refusal to meet statutory medical standards established by the states. Some of these clinics are chop shops and their patients overrun ERs post procedure and they scream Roe v Wade when it is medical malpractice. Late term abortions should be performed in a hospital. What if a hospital was selling baby parts? They would be closed down.
Remember, State Sen. Bronco voted for the “born alive” bill in IL meaning that if an aborted baby was still alive, the doctor wouldn’t be charged with murder for killing it.
Well he also sent his 16 year old girl to “intern” on an arguably soft porn site for the summer. Maybe she will pick up some pointers or something. Amoral creeps. Child endangerment is what it is.
There is evil in the world but for some reason many people have just stopped believing evil exists as if that will make it go away.
It’s worse than that. Evil is now called “freedom,” and it’s celebrated.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/2015/07/15/ap-its-not-selling-aborted-unborn-baby-parts-its-disposition-fetal-remains#.1xuphf:T8j8
it is not aborted unborn baby parts, it disposition fetal remains
Disposal is also regulated by state laws. Donation for science is a voluntary contract. Selling it is also a contract. Where’s the contract?
I just saw (on local news) a “disclamer” from PP saying they have the permission from the “mothers” to use the remains for scientific purposes.
I have no comment (that I can print).
And in PP’s world that tissue was self generating, ergo no “paternal” rights could possibly accrue. /s/
Probably just a standard release form that those clump of cells become the property of PP to do with and dispose of as they see fit. Probably wouldn’t be too hard to get a copy?
Hum. Dishonest disclaimer. Use implies donate not sell. I’d would like to see a legal challenge to their manner of contract signing and if it includes “informed” consent rather than a “sign this and we will fix you up”. I think this revelation will cramp this “business” anyway at least in some states.
Unspeakably evil.
I don’t like to talk much politics with my kids but I told them, separately, about this.
Tell them this too.
6 million people were killed during the holocaust, 55 million babies have been aborted since Roe v Wade.
Sickening.
How old are your kids again, VM? I can’t imagine having that conversation. My oldest (almost 16) has been brainwashed by his “YAY ABORTION” dad, but I’m the primary caretaker for all the others.
My oldest just graduated HS, and she too was brainwashed into being pro-choice by the culture when I wasn’t paying attention. But I told her about the video and she was horrified and I hope she has at least moved to a no late term abortions position.
My younger is just starting HS and afaik the very concept of abortion horrifies her. The news about what PP is doing I prefaced with “there are some really very evil people in America right now.” I hope I have inoculated her against the abortion propaganda.
Good job, mom. I think it’s natural for younger kids to be more horrified: babyhood is more recent for them and they are going to identify with the babies, not the mom. At least that’s how I felt as a young teen when I first learned what abortion was.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/11480-pepsi-says-it-will-halt-use-of-aborted-fetal-cells-in-flavor-research
I will never drink pepsi again
Whut? Next they will tell us that it is also used in hemorrhoid cream. Has the entire country gone insane?
OMG
I’m flabbergasted – trying to figure out the ‘need for fetal cells’ in flavor research like these cells would somehow respond to various flavors/tastes. SMH
I think Dr. NeoMengele’s pp page has disappeared and also the cpmpany buying parts, StemExpress site is down
Freaks and cowards.
The whole thing reminds me of the harvesting of gold out of the teeth out of the gas chambers. It is surreal and freakish. It is shocking.
Exactly what I thought. Harvesting gold from the teeth.
What’s your problem with that? I mean, it’s not like they were using them any more …
These people. All of them. I never thought I’d see such indifferent depravity up close and personal.
When I used to get into discussions about fetal stem cell research with people who have a vested interest in that research finding a cure for their own disease or for someone they loved, the point they always made was the fetuses were going to be aborted anyway, and why deny people who are desperate for the results of research the opportunity for cures? The reason in my mind was because it’s just a step away from women being convinced to abort their babies so the abortionist could make a lot of money selling fetuses. Which would just be a step away from women getting paid to get pregnant and then aborting the baby at whatever stage paid her the most. For people desperate for a cure even that can become morally acceptable.
Reading the comments at the Slate article by Amanda Marcotte this morning says more about us as a country than the article itself. Amanda is just being Amanda. But in the comments there are two kinds of outrage. One predictably from those opposed to abortion no matter what happens to the fetal remains, and the other outrage someone would make a lying video that paints PP in a bad light. Sort through those, and you can find a few people who support abortion rights, but not this. But there are lots of people whose attitude is so what? If the “tissue” helps save people who are already born, it is positive good. I empathized with the folks with kids dying from cancer or with a parent with Parkinson’s. One could understand their desperation. But when a lot of average Janes and Joes see nothing wrong with women providing research “tissues” or livers for transplant through unfettered access to abortion, we’re about to reach rock bottom.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor.html
But the comments are different here- http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/15/by-any-standard-of-decency-planned-parenthood-is-evil/
PP really needs to change their name. The only planning they do has nothing to do with parenthood. How about Baby Crushers R’ Us ? I’ve also thought of them as predators for young, frightened and mostly minority girls.
Since my male opinion carries zippo weight in today’s world, I’ll just mention PP has been evil since day 1 – can one say “Margaret Sanger” without spitting to cleanse the palate? Didn’t think so. Never, ever understood why something borne in vicious evil would believed to be able to mature into a socially benign benevolency. Logic says otherwise. They’ve been a shell game forever, period. Now I’ll shut up.
Never shut up – that’s what ‘they’ want – compliancy and obedience, no questioning allowed.
Half the DNA of the baby came from dad. This disgusting notion that men should sit down and shut up because it’s nothing to do with them? It riles hatred in me. Mind you, after this stuff, I don’t think I could hate them any harder. Of course, I could be wrong.
Baby Parts Pawn Shop?
Where does it stop – does medical research devolve into Naxi type experimentation and use the justification ‘for the greater good.’ Shall we pick and choose certain groups as in the mentally ill, challenged, the poor or anyone deemed unfit or incapable of living according to someone’s standards (Dr. E. Emanuel) for research purposes?
Are we so shorted or blind that we have forgotten the horrors of the concentration camps?
short sighted
Agree, but the latter have been primed. Every liberalized media in the book jumped on this story ASAP saying that the story “wasn’t true” or the video was “shady” or offering the “whole truth.” Vile progs who get their every opinion from this machine, could literally be seen turning in a herd toward their collective justifications. It was utterly transparent. There are no free thinkers on the left anymore, I suspect.
Not even close to the same thing but when the Feds decide to drop a few hundred into a community and the community is supposed to adapt to them or you a a raycist. No sir I am not and even if I was as long as I did not negatively impactthe person I’m allowed to be as backwards thinking as I choose. Piss off. My home is not a sociological experiment. We had a to of people rom Nepal resettled here. Nicest people, but their small businesses keep closing. Letists can see only race and cast blame or bad decisions.
Fuck em.
Thank you, Dora. Exactly!!!!!!
To be fair, it’s not just Hillary. Nancy Pelosi admires Sanger too, as well as many other women. Oh and Jane Fonda too. Can’t forget her. Jane starts off her speeches by thanking God for giving us Margaret Sanger, or something like that.
Jane would have been prosecuted for her Hanoi involvement if not for her famous dad, Henry..
I admire and respect strong women. My wife, as an example. But not ALL strong women. The motive of Sanger was evil. Incidental to that motive came a side effect that “apparently” allows women a freer and less responsible sex life. Something most women believe had heretofor only been available to men. Her accolades are for that side effect. To my male mind that seems illogical and possibly self-centered and shallow.
Frankly, I think men got the better end of that deal, but maybe things have changed in the 11 years since I was last on the dating scene. : )
This caught my eye while scanning the newsies this morning. First ever case of being punished for a thought crime ? Obama’s plan in full force, eh?
http://victorygirlsblog.com/dinesh-dsouza-psychological-counseling-ordered-for-a-difference-of-opinion/
Talk about a judicial order begging to be overthrown!
This is one of the scariest things to come out of the Obama administration. Singling out someone for special judicial and psychological treatment, because they dared to make a movie and present a different perspective. And this tells me how close Dinesh is to the truth as well. But the Obama administration is “against torture”?
That is precisely how I feel about this ruling – ordering psychological treatment by a loyal democrat judge. Next thing you know, Dinesh will be called an “enemy of the state”.
Smacks of McCarthy, Stalin, Hitler, doesn’t it? truly frightening.
My father’s family fled Romania and Latvia for the safety of the US. My mother’s parents&grandparents fled Poland and Germany. I’m so glad my parents are no longer alive. They would be aghast and quite possibly scared out of their minds.
I suppose if they (bronco and his stable mates) don’t personally do the torture, they can say they remain “steadfastly” against it. It reminds me of the “you made me hurt you” or “this hurts me more than it hurts you” scenarios. evil – sociopathic.
I know, Megyn Kelly covered this at the end of her show last night. It has become more and more like the Communist spectre I was taught about in the 50’s. Only this time it’s here. I wonder if they’ll convince our kids or grandbabies to “turn us in” for our support of more conservative values.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4354993134001/democrat-judge-orders-psych-counseling-for-dinesh-dsouza/?#sp=show-clips
Meant to nest under Denise’s comment above.^^^
Remember this story from 2009 – selling organs
“Levy Izhak Rosenbaum of Brooklyn called himself a “matchmaker,” but his business wasn’t romance.
Instead, authorities say, he brokered the sale of black-market kidneys, buying organs from vulnerable people from Israel for $10,000 and selling them to desperate patients in the U.S. for as much as $160,000.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/07/25/rabbi-caught-in-new-jersey-corruption-sting-called-himself-kidney-matchmaker.html
I do not know about anybody else, but after the last couple of days I need this
http://rare.us/story/this-clip-of-johnny-cash-impersonating-the-king-of-rock-and-roll-is-a-sight-to-behold/
Gosh, if only the Nazi´s had thought of this! People would think of the holocaust as a humanitarian undertaking. Brilliant move Planned Parenthood.
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Planned Parenthood’s PR Firm: Harvesting Organs of Aborted Babies a ‘Humanitarian Undertaking’
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/planned-parenthoods-pr-firm-harvesting-organs-aborted-babies-humanitarian-undertaking_991241.html
Praying that this outrage is reported for more than one day not swept under the carpet – nothing to see here, move along – look at what that squirrel, Trump is saying now.
I remember the Nazi baby factories from old news films showing newborns coming down a conveyor belt and being picked over and dumped like rotten fruit. I think it was part of the plan to create the perfect race by breeding SS soldiers to Nordic women?
“Dinesh D’Souza psychological counseling ordered for a difference of opinion?”
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“In the Soviet Union, a systematic political abuse of psychiatry took place[1] and was based on the interpretation of political dissent as a psychiatric problem.[2] It was called “psychopathological mechanisms” of dissent..”
“During the leadership of General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev, psychiatry was used as a tool to eliminate political opponents (“dissidents”) who openly expressed beliefs that contradicted official dogma.[4] The term “philosophical intoxication” was widely used to diagnose mental disorders in cases where people disagreed with leaders and made them the target of criticism…….”
Psychiatric diagnoses such as the diagnosis of “sluggish schizophrenia” in political dissidents in the USSR were used for political purposes.[47] It was the diagnosis of “sluggish schizophrenia” that was most prominently used in cases of dissidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
I thought that sounded familar. Kind of a sneaky way to get rid of or shut up dissidents. Didn’t Obama’s IRS use a similar tactic with the tea party?
If anybody’s politically intoxicated it’s damn sure the Obama supporters. Cray-crays every one of them.
I’m sure it has nothing to do with him planning a 2016 Election film and judge was appointed by Clinton.
I think there’s something about this in Naomi Klein’s book “Shock Doctrine” chapter 2.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421201/planned-parenthood-fetus-sale-partial-birth-abortion
oh WOW
This just makes me sick. 😡
I’m testing as my ipad won’t allow me to comment any more.
Okay. It works again.
Klown – is this story about you.
“‘I just like pigs’: Cops say nude man found drinking in barn”
http://www.usnews.com/news/offbeat/articles/2015/07/15/i-just-like-pigs-cops-say-nude-man-found-drinking-in-barn
Need something light and funny to undo current horrors.
Lightening up in honor of myiq’s mouth 😀 (How’s it going?)
Sarah on Iran deal
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/07/15/exclusive-sarah-palin-to-congress-stop-the-madness-of-obamas-surrender-to-iran/
Time to Call Obama and Kerry What They Are: Traitors
We have met the enemy and he is in the White House.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259466/time-call-obama-and-kerry-what-they-are-traitors-daniel-greenfield
Old jokes are usually good for a few laughs. These are really funny. 🙂
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Being “Old” Has a Lot of Different Meanings; We Found the BEST Ones!
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/being-old-has-a-lot-of-different-meanings-we-found-the-best-ones#more-45509
ty for the laughs
This is more on Stem Express.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/15/planned-parenthood-partner-offered-bulk-discounts-on-aborted-baby-parts/
Only in Portland, OR:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/15/sex-toys-dangling-oregon-power-lines-no-knows-why_n_7800022.html?1436957546
I saw that! And not for the first time, was kind of happy to have moved on from beautiful Oregon. Because so sorry so prudish, I don’t want to have that conversation with my four little kids.
O.T. College professor upset with Scott Walker’s latest legislation tweets that there is no difference between Hitler and Walker according to her grandfather, an unlicensed psychiatrist.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421196/professor-scott-walker-terrifying-similarities-hitler
She should have just answered – “What difference, at this point, does it make”?
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Hah!… MSNBC LAUGHS OUT LOUD at Hillary Clinton’s Bizarre Robotic Response to Question on Iran Deal (VIDEO)
Even the folks at MSNBC are amused by Hillary Clinton’s odd robotic delivery and plastic smile.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/hah-msnbc-laughs-out-loud-at-hillary-clintons-bizarre-robotic-response-to-question-on-iran-deal-video/
I think the Iran giveaway will hurt Hillary
Are those the same 1 out of 5 college students that have been raped?
Do I believe that number?
I know my work was in mental health, but if being pregnant doesn’t affect mental health, I don’t know what does. Hence my involvement with the physical as well as the emotional lives of others. I worked with many young women over the past 25 years who have at one time or another faced an unwanted pregnancy. Only 1 went to PP and found PP was so expensive, she couldn’t afford them.
A distant acquaintance’s daughter whom I knew only tangentially, was able to afford PP. They offered her no counseling or support, either before or afterward. Tragically, she ended her own life within 24 hours after receiving their “service”. I am not suggesting it was their fault. I am saying they profess to offer guidance and counseling, but at least in this case, and I’m betting in too many other cases, that didn’t happen.
1 in 5 ? In all my baby making life, never heard of ONE peer needing PP services. Even my own kid at her lowest point, used the local Free Health Clinic to get her birth control and cure her strep throats.
It’s too bad PP refuses to keep records because it doesn’t pass the laugh test.
I always had the impression that PP was the choice of last resort. In 30 years+ in planning and policy, I have yet to sit in a meeting that includes anyone from PP. And no one ever seems to mention that PP should be invited/involved when discussing access/availably . Of course, PP on an infant mortality Blue Ribbon Panel – well just no.
I can’t believe they have the balls to call it “patient care” when they scream bloody murder when they are asked to meet minimum health facility standards.
Send in the clowns- http://www.wordandfilm.com/2015/07/cant-sleep-clown-will-eat-me10-scariest-clowns-film-literature/?ref=423BF7DE7469
Let’s Make A Deal
Planned Parenthood went so far over the line, I’m not sure they’ll get away with this one. Heads will roll. Well, more than the usual baby heads that the usually roll.
Has anyone heard from the Klown? Should we issue an ABP on him.
I’ll check recent bookings in the jails of the San Joaquin valley, just in case he went for another stroll.
I know, I’m worried.
Maybe there is hope for Vox yet:
He’s ALIVE!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-del-ariana-kelly-arrested-for-indecent-exposure-trespassing/2015/07/14/06a29486-2a58-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html
Note: I do not live in Ms. Kelly’s district. It is a good day.
I thought this just topped off her story in the Washington Post:
Classy! Filed under: Hell Hath No Fury……et al.
I’m so sick of these people. And the people that enable them.
http://conservativetribune.com/michelle-takes-food-from-navy/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism&utm_content=2015-07-15
mooch really does not want to mess with sailors and their food. they have guided missles
This is pretty far out there, but I think she may run for office. I’m not absolutely sure…but… I think that because of this speech and this speech. They are real departures from her previous style. And of course because I’m familiar with how ValJar thinks, and how audacious the Obama’s tend to be. If she was gonna do it, she would not want to wait 20+ years like Hillary. She hates Hillary, and I think she would definitely upstage her, and take satisfaction in doing so. I might be giving voice to my own paranoia, but I just have a niggling suspicion about it.
Who, MO? Run for office?
When did Hill buy her Chappaqua home? That established her residency to run for NY Senator. Not even sure the Obamas still own their Chicago home? Nevermind, MO could win office wherever the hell she wants to….but she’s no comparison to Hillary. Yes, I’m defending Hill here 🙂
So if it’s an open thread can I say that Disneyland was AWESOME? Despite my former grinchiness on the subject? It is such a cliche, but… the looks on the girls’ faces when they saw Mickey Mouse and got to hug and kiss the princesses made it worth EVERY PENNY.
#sucker #bigbigsucker
🙂
Disney theme parks are really modern masterpieces, imo.
The one here is tiny! I read somewhere that Disneyland Paris could literally fit into the parking lot of Walt Disney World in Florida. But that’s actually a good thing–I went with just the little girls (3 and 5), and it was a nice manageable size and I didn’t have to make them walk for miles and miles. We were there two days and we really only saw about half of Disneyland and maybe 2/3 of the Walt Disney Studios park. Of course, we did have a 3-hour “lunch with the princesses” on day 2.
The castle at DLP is really amazing. You can go inside! They’ve got beautiful stained glass windows on the second floor, and little stations all around telling the Sleeping Beauty story (it’s Sleeping Beauty’s castle). Plus you can go out on the balcony for a nice view. And in the basement there is a HUGE animatronic dragon. Which freaked Amelia right out.
I believe it. I had to walk through the Disney World parking lot as a kid.
“Happiest Place on Earth” ! So glad you enjoyed that experience ❤
It was so great. I was really expecting to grit my teeth all the way through, because I’ve been 35 since the age of 4. The “magic” is seeing the little kids (including the approximately 200 little girls dressed up as Elsa) believe in the magic.
Also, a very cool thing that I learned from a friend who has an annual pass: if your kid is wearing a costume that matches the theme of the ride, you AND YOUR ENTIRE PARTY get to cut the line. I was like “Why the HELL did you show up with a bag of costumes to drag around all day, lady?” And then we got to ride Star Tours with no wait because her son was dressed as a stormtrooper. And then they let us do it again immediately because my youngest was too short to ride and I had to wait outside the attraction–so we “baby switched” and my friend sat outside while I took the older 3 kids in for another turn, no wait. My friend’s daughter’s Elsa costume got us “VIP seating” at the big Frozen singalong, too. It was great!
I love Disney too. Disneyland is way better than Disney World because DW is too big and they breakup the attractions into so many different parks. I stayed in a (relatively cheap) Disney hotel at DW and took the park bus system to Magic Kingdom and it took 25 minutes! that is how big it is. Disneyland is perfect sized.
Universal is also great. I absolutely love the new Harry Potter area. However it is at the very back of the park and you have to walk about a mile to get there after walking a mile from the parking garage to the entrance. I wore my fitbit to Universal Florida and put 27,000 steps on it.
I go for the exercise. Well, it’s a good excuse. 🙂
I have to admit to not completely “getting” the phenomenon of adults who love them some Disney, but am guessing that it’s mostly folks who loved it as kids?
“The Happiest Place On Earth” is “Fun For Kids Of All Ages”
They don’t really emphasize the “happiest place on earth” thing at DL Paris the way they do in Anaheim and Orlando. I think it would violate our labor laws. : )
Do they have Donald Duck l’Orange?
Waiting for narcissist to become a trigger word. 🙂