It’s Called “Capitalism”

"What do you mean, 'May cause side effects?'"

“What do you mean, ‘May cause side effects?'”

I’d love to hear Riverdaughter’s take on this:

Drug Prices Soar, Prompting Calls for Justification

As complaints grow about exorbitant drug prices, pharmaceutical companies are coming under pressure to disclose the development costs and profits of those medicines and the rationale for charging what they do.

So-called pharmaceutical cost transparency bills have been introduced in at least six state legislatures in the last year, aiming to make drug companies justify their prices, which are often attributed to high research and development costs.

“If a prescription drug demands an outrageous price tag, the public, insurers and federal, state and local governments should have access to the information that supposedly justifies the cost,” says the preamble of a bill introduced in the New York State Senate in May.

In an article being published Thursday, more than 100 prominent oncologists called for support of a grass-roots movement to stem the rapid increases of prices of cancer drugs, including by letting Medicare negotiate prices with pharmaceutical companies and letting patients import less expensive medicines from Canada.

“There is no relief in sight because drug companies keep challenging the market with even higher prices,” the doctors wrote in the journal Mayo Clinic Proceedings. “This raises the question of whether current pricing of cancer drugs is based on reasonable expectation of return on investment or whether it is based on what prices the market can bear.”

Pressure is mounting from elsewhere as well. The top Republican and Democrat on the United States Senate Finance Committee last year demanded detailed cost data from Gilead Sciences, whose hepatitis C drugs, which cost $1,000 a pill or more, have strained the budgets of state and federal health programs. The U.A.W. Retiree Medical Benefits Trust tried to make Gilead, Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Celgene and other companies report to their shareholders more about how they set prices and the risks to their businesses from resistance to high drug prices.

The trust cited the more than $300,000 per year price of Vertex’s cystic fibrosis drug Kalydeco and roughly $150,000 for Celgene’s cancer drug Revlimid.

Even former President Bill Clinton, in a speech to pharmaceutical executives in Philadelphia last month, said it would be in the industry’s best interest to say more about its costs and pricing.

“Explain, explain, explain and disclose, disclose, disclose,” Mr. Clinton said, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer. “Don’t expect everybody to love you, but at least they will hear your side of the story.”

The pharmaceutical industry has already had the veil lifted on various practices. Drug companies now have to report the payments, including meals and entertainment, that they make to doctors for research, consulting and giving promotional speeches. The companies have also had to disclose more results of their clinical trials and in some cases have started to provide raw data to outsiders.

It is unclear if cost and pricing will become the next such area. The state bills, which are supported by some health insurers and consumer groups, have not progressed. The two senators, Republican Charles E. Grassley of Iowa and Democrat Ron Wyden of Oregon, have not reported the results of their inquiry. And shareholders of Gilead, Vertex and Celgene voted down the resolutions proposed by the U.A.W. trust, though the trust says it reached settlements with Eli Lilly and with two other drug companies it would not identify.

The pharmaceutical and biotechnology industry trade groups say the transparency bills would be costly to comply with and would provide misleading information.

Even some people concerned about drug prices say that the cost to develop a particular drug has little to do with that drug’s price and that knowing such information will not keep prices down.

“The past R&D cost is really kind of a red herring,” said Len Nichols, a health care economist at George Mason University, referring to research and development. “The current revenue doesn’t pay for past R&D; it pays for current R&D.”

Prices for cancer drugs, some of which extend lives by only a couple of months, routinely exceed $100,000 a year, and some new ones exceed $150,000. And it is not unusual for the list prices of existing drugs to rise 10 percent or more year after year, far beyond the rate of inflation. The prices of older drugs for multiple sclerosis have risen from about $10,000 per year in the late 1990s to more than $60,000 now, according to a study, even as competition in the market has intensified with the introduction of new products.

One more time:

“This raises the question of whether current pricing of cancer drugs is based on reasonable expectation of return on investment or whether it is based on what prices the market can bear.”

Heartless bastards! Trying to make a profit off sick people! What kind of system allows that heinous bullshit??

It’s called “capitalism.”

If you were sitting in a classroom or the Vatican the idea of making a profit off sick people would probably sound morally repugnant. It just feels wrong. Government should do something so that everyone has access to life-saving drugs. We can’t put a price on life!

A few years ago I would be right there with you (in the classroom, not the Vatican). Then I had an epiphany. Actually, I had a few of them, as reality began slapping me back and forth.

Is it just a coincidence that just as Obamacare was passed into law that the pharmaceutical industry in the United States began closing down their R&D departments?

It costs a lot of money and takes many years to develop new drugs and get them approved for market. That’s a big upfront investment, and a lot of times it doesn’t pan out. Even when a drug makes it onto the market you have to spend a lot more money getting people to use it. Insurance companies typically don’t want to pay for it.

Then when you finally start making a profit off your investment you get sued by people who claim your wonder drug made them sick or killed someone they love. If you lose in court you could be facing billions of dollars in settlements and/or jury awards.

So why on earth would anybody waste their money on drug research?

Because the potential profits are YUUUUGE. Take away those potential profits and you take away the incentive to do drug research. There is a reason that communist countries are not on the cutting edge of medical research. It’s the same reason that North Korea is poor and South Korea is prosperous.

If I was dying of cancer I would want any drug that would cure me no matter what it cost. It would be really great if I could get an insurance company or the taxpayers to pay for it. Otherwise it would be unfair to let me die because I couldn’t afford to pay for a miracle drug.


However bad you think the pharmaceutical industry is now, just wait until you see what happens when the government “improves” it.

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134 Responses to It’s Called “Capitalism”

  1. Dora says:

    Oh no! I really don’t think this can go on much longer. Something has got to give.

    Obamacare To Be Opened Up To Illegal Immigrants In California

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    That icky feeling of revulsion when you discover that some vile bigot is following you on twitter.

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    When they raid a place like that they take everybody to jail.

    • Lulu says:

      Well technically he is sort of in jail. Why they let this Mensa candidate out for leave of any kind is the question? I think the military is sick of him and the cops were not too keen on having to watch him so he doesn’t fall into the toilet and drown himself or something. Everyone plays hot potato with Bowe.

      • Myiq2xu says:

        The article says he had a pass or was on leave. So he had permission to be there. If a guy is on leave and some people he is with get arrested but he’s not arrested or charged, why would the military come get him? He presumably had a car, ride or plane/train/bus ticket to get back.

        OTOH, if he made some kind of deal to rat out his dope farmer buddies, that would explain why he was allowed to go and why they gave him a ride home. So he shows up, sees the dope plants, uses a cell phone to call the pot pigs, they use what he told them to get a warrant, they raid the place, arrest everybody but him and then give him time off his eventual sentence because he cooperated (snitched).

        • Lulu says:

          I think he was there smoking dope and the sheriff didn’t want to bother with him. Come get this idiot I don’t want his stupid ass in my jail. He doesn’t sell or grow but he just wants free shit and to hang out like a moron. He misses the dope in Afghanistan the warlords provided him. Who ratted this out to the media? LOL. Bronco traded for this bum?

        • 49erDweet says:

          Naw. No way. He’s a great guy.

    • wailuagirl says:

      this little freak just gets freakier every day,

  8. Myiq2xu says:


    Women are obviously too weak for college. They should be kept at home under parental supervision, until they’re old enough to be married off and placed under a husband’s control.

  9. Myiq2xu says:

    Jonah Goldberg:

    There’s a revealing tendency in most liberal and left-wing histories of the United States of America. When something bad happens, there tend to be only two possible villains: conservatives or America itself (or a combination of the two). During the McCarthy period, evil conservatives whipped up paranoia and fear. But the Red Scare of 1919, overseen by Woodrow Wilson’s progressive attorney general, A. Mitchell Palmer, was a blot on America’s soul. When FDR interned Japanese Americans, it was an example of America’s sins. When FDR’s party ruthlessly enforced Jim Crow in this country, racism was a stain on America. After the Democrats lost the South, and the South in turn became less racist, the stain was moved to the Republican party. Liberalism is never to blame.

  10. Jadzia says:

    So I’m in the middle of writing lectures for my IP and biotech course, and IN THEORY, I’m not sure that some kind of disclosure is not defensible. The way the law currently works, We the People give these folks a 20-year economic monopoly in exchange for “disclosing the invention.” It is very explicitly a quid pro quo arrangement. IF what we’re talking about is simply adding some type of cost-of-development field to the current patent application, drafted in a manner that is general enough that it doesn’t require companies to give away sensitive financial information (something like “total cost of development,” fill in the blank), that really just seems like a tweak to me. The information arguably goes to the novelty requirement that is a well established requirement for patentability (with a higher total cost of development tending to show greater novelty).

    Of course, if we’re talking about drugs that are not patented, my opinion would be different. As it would if what the administration is really talking about is a fishing expedition or requiring a document dump.

    • Myiq2xu says:

      With a tweak, tweak here, and a tweak, tweak there, here a tweak, there a tweak, everywhere a tweak, tweak . . .

      It’s never just “this much and no more.” No matter what they get now they’ll want more later. And still more after that.

  11. Dora says:

    OT but be careful who you contribute money to. This is shameful!

    Head of national children’s leukemia charity paid himself over $1million a year and spent less than 1 per cent of donations on charity

    The New York Attorney General’s office won a court order to shut down the National Children’s Leukemia Foundation

    • Lulu says:

      I don’t donate much anymore because of stuff like this. I gave some women I know cash for Vacation Bible school at their little country church for craft supplies. No paper trail. Nobody’s biz but mine and theirs. This church (I’m an atheist) seems to be my new charity. Go figure.

    • leslie says:

      I now only give to a local food pantry and my own church parish – even though I rarely attend, because I know the money goes where it’s intended.
      Last week I had 2 calls from a “national beast cancer organization” that I didn’t know. It could have been the same or 2 different names. When I said that I wouldn’t donate to an organization I hadn’t heard of and that women in my area could get free mammograms from the health clinic, they BOTH began to argue with me about being selfish. I then said that both Medicare and Medicaid paid for mammograms, the callers hung up while I was speaking.

    • foxyladi14 says:

      Sad!!! 😡

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    • leslie says:

      Even though Rauner lost in Chicago/Crook county, he won the rest of the state. The people I know are screaming at his “cold hearted” budget cuts, and they are harsh. But I think they will be able to support this move.

  13. Dora says:

    He wouldn’t dare. Or would he? 🙂

    The Trump White House

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    I’m only 5’11”

  16. Dora says:

    Situation Still Unfolding, But Leftist Editor Attacks Gov. Jindal For Asking For Prayers For Louisiana Shooting Victims

    • Lulu says:

      So don’t pray for them asshole. That is your right and Louisianian’s right to pray. Why do these Dunning-Kruger effect asses think anyone cares what they think? He’s a DK editor (of what? a stream of consciousness shit show is edited? what does it look like before someone edits it?) and a DK radio show host. Is that like public access radio? We have a real radio station at our high school for the kids. A DK blog radio show for “the world’s leading authorities”. For smart people. LOL.

      • leslie says:

        “A DK blog radio show for “the world’s leading authorities . . .”
        Leading authorities of what ? ffs I am certain such arrogance does not go unrewarded with these “liberal” intellectual midgets.
        Lulu, I learn so much from you. You’re my hero. 🙂

        Broadly speaking, the Dunning-Kruger Effect is defined as “a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability to recognize their [own] ineptitude.” (

  17. leslie says:

    There will be NO choices after a few years and we will all be screwed. Obama and his gang will be on easy street and will be able to afford whatever health care they want while the rest of us are dying in the streets.
    And so it continues . . .

    Anthem Inc said on Friday it would buy Cigna Corp in a deal valued at $54.2 billion, creating the largest U.S. health insurer by membership.
    The deal — the biggest ever in the health insurance industry — comes three weeks after Aetna Inc agreed to buy Humana Inc for $37 billion and is part of an industry-wide consolidation following the roll-out of President Barack Obama’s healthcare law.

    • Lulu says:

      Hum? Anti-trush lawsuits? By the states?

    • leslie says:

      BTW: The cost of drugs has now “moved” my insurance, Cigna, to deny coverage of the inhaler that I use daily. I either have to pay $365 per month for one inhaler, or use an older drug that doesn’t work for me. There is no co-pay I have to pick up the cost (that used to be $60.00/month) in its entirety. Every month. Or go without.

      I have had to deal with Anthem BCBS in my job. they are heartless and, of course, their bottom line is primary. So if you have paid your insurance premiums for 20 years and not used it for much more that annual well being physicals, but you need it for an emergent depression or anxiety disorder that forces you to leave your job for a year, they will deny the necessary level of treatment after 15 visits. They have demanded a Dr to Dr consultation and have given a 20 minute window or they will cut off treatment entirely.
      I have sat in on Dr to Dr calls as the primary treatment provider and heard the Anthem MD treat the client’s health issues as fraudulent because the client didn’t respond to treatment as quickly as the insurance company guidelines say they must.
      Anthem BCBS of CA have been cited on programs such as 60 Minutes (and others) as proud of their rates of denial of care. And this is what we – or our children – have to look forward to. The healthy will pay and when they get sick or need treatment – they will be denied care.
      Thanks to Obama and his dirty dealings.

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    • Lulu says:

      I thought Fournier got canned when NatJournal went kaput. Or does it go kaput the end of the month? Nobody reads it.

  19. Myiq2xu says:

    I’m sorry, but I don’t trust Hillary any more. I spent 20 years defending her and Bill but this is beyond the pale.

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    • Lulu says:

      I don’t think screwing around is grounds for annulment. What are they going to claim grounds on? Non-consumation? How does that work if neither one of them has a dick? Do they borrow one? I think one of them did. Har-har.

      • leslie says:

        I know. Right?😀

        • Lulu says:

          Dick questions for the Supreme Court! Did they realize they would have to rule on this kind of stuff when they made their ruling on gay marriage. My guess is no. The states are going to be all over the place in this stuff and that means federal courts. Just what federal judges do not want to be doing.

          • leslie says:

            How long do you think it will take for SCOTUS to regret their decision of SSM? (I still get creeped out when I look at John Roberts.) Federal judges most likely regretted the decision from the get-go.. I’ll just wait and watch.

          • DeniseVB says:

            It was always about the equal rights of a marriage, which includes the equal rights of a divorce/annulment. Welcome to our world ladies😉

          • Lulu says:

            Fed courts in 3 to 5 years. The Supreme in another 2 to 4. A lot of the current oldies will be gone. What most gays did not/do not understand is how expensive these kind of divorces are. The bills are crippling. All because of butt hurt.

          • Myiq2xu says:

            Think about all those federal pensions that will now be subject to division by the courts. Gays didn’t used to have to worry about community property and spousal support.

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  23. driguana says:

    What an interesting post, Klown. What a conundrum!! What an “ismatic” mess we’ve gotten ourselves into!! Why can’t we get our “ismatic” systems to work better?? Two reasons come quickly to mind….greed and government! I can’t wait to hear a debate between Trump and Sanders….Or, maybe they really do work the way they are “supposed” to….I’m getting really confused.

  24. SHV says:

    “It’s called “capitalism.”
    It’s not capitalism/free market when the fix is in with the politicians. Uni-party example, Bush’s Part D Medicare, written into law, no negotiation by Feds for price of drugs. Medicare pays full price and VA, which can negotiate, pays 1/2 for same meds. Drug companies moving R&D to India along with production facilities and significantly reduced FDA inspection, etc., etc. I was recently forced by drug plan to go generic for BP med. Unfortunately the Indian drug manufacturer “forgot” about quality control and the pills varied with the amount of active ingredients. The last batch had no activity and I had a hypertensive crisis.

    • “It’s not capitalism/free market when the fix is in with the politicians.”

      HERE! HERE!

    • leslie says:

      OMG. How terrible. I hope you’re okay now. How do you remedy that?
      Can you contact the Dept of Regulations or the Atty Gen in your state?
      How stupid of me to think that it would make a difference. I’m sorry. You can report your doctor or therapist, but not the insurance company because the state legislature and the insurance lobby are in bed with one another.

    • 1539days says:

      The US stopped manufacturing a lot of drugs because other countries have cost controls. The US drug companies decided to cut costs in manufacturing to satisfy those pricing schemes. If the US finally fixes the price of drugs, those good version will just be gone entirely.

  25. Somebody says:

    I’ve been waiting all day to have a chance to comment on this post. Forgive me if my comments seem muddled, yes I plan to make multiple comments. However, I’m having a very rough day……..I’m waiting for my eldest granddaughter to spin her head around and spew green pea soup. Tragically I don’t know a priest, but TGIF!!!! I plan to get shit faced tonight for sure.

    Here goes……Klown why do you think people want to import drugs from other countries?? It’s because they are so much cheaper, the reason most of those countries negotiate prices. The EXACT same drug can cost a fraction of what it cost here in the states. Cancer drugs are generally 1/3 to 1/2 the cost.

    1/3 to 1/2 the cost for a drug that most likely was developed here in the US by Americans. Also, most likely somewhere along the line some of our tax dollars probably helped out with that research or monies donated to various research charities from AMERICANS. Yet we pay a premium for medications here in the US. We get double and triple screwed.

    I saw this up close and personal when I walked in the cancer world. I saw honest, hard working Americans lose everything they had trying to stay alive, while people in other countries got the drug for “free” via socialized medicine…….but again their health care system paid a fraction of what the drugs cost here in the states.

    To my mind it seems as though we’re subsidizing other countries because we don’t have a system that negotiates drug prices for the benefit of our citizens. I could be all washed up, but I think if we started paying less; then Europe, Canada and a lot of other countries would most likely start paying higher prices and the playing field as it were would become a little more level.

    My sister says that is the stupidest thing she’s ever heard and makes absolutely no sense. My sister thinks that what other countries pay for drugs has absolutely no relationship to what we pay here in the US. Perhaps that is the case, but I think not…….I think the drug companies are going to get their profits one way or another.

    • Somebody says:

      I’m sure many would say, well we get drugs FIRST that’s the benefit of paying higher prices. Well that dog doesn’t hunt, because drugs routinely get approved in Europe, Canada and other countries before they get approved here.

      It is true that if a drug is simply too expensive then countries with socialized medicine may opt not to make that drug available or perhaps limited availability under certain circumstances. Here in the US, if you’ve got the money and a prescription you can get your hands on the medicine.

      The FDA is a big obstacle and also adds cost to bringing drugs to market here in the US. The FDA in case you didn’t know it, is bloated and anything but impartial, it’s as political as anything else our government produces. It takes a lot of money to walk their gauntlet, how to fix that I’m not sure.

      I’m not sure how to fix the imbalance between what Americans pay and people in the rest of the world pay…….but I think we should consider some ideas. We may be a rich country overall, but many of our own citizens lack the kind of funds needed to pay the exorbitant prices for a lot of life saving drugs here in the US.

      Once again to my mind it’s almost like a hidden foreign aid tax, we pay more so the rest of the world can get drugs for their citizens at a lower price. Once again you may take my sister’s view that there is no cause and effect.

      I don’t know what the answer is to the imbalance, but I think we should consider some changes. Either let Medicare negotiate drugs or set a rule that US citizens won’t pay more than……pick a percentage……..120%, 150%, 200%, whatever percentage. Drug companies can’t charge more than X percentage of a baseline price made up from a basket of…….again pick a number…..10, 20, 50 industrialized countries.

      • Somebody says:

        One last tiny little thing and then I’ll be back later after I have a little cigarette break, it’s nap time after all……glorious nap time, the most wonderful time of the day!!!

        OK, tiny thing…….it’s not true that communist countries or countries with socialized medicine can’t and/or don’t develop drugs, in fact many do. I’ll give you North Korea, but they couldn’t find their way out of a wet paper bag. Did you not see the recent headlines about Cuba? Cuba has had for years a lung cancer vaccine. Their vaccine has been available in Europe for about 7 or 8 years and now it’s coming to the US.

        As a matter of fact, the Castro brothers have invested heavily in immunology and bio-technology medicines. They’ve sent their brightest all over to get the best education money can buy and then fully funded their research. They don’t pay the researchers jack, but they’re very advanced in those fields.

        • 1539days says:

          Another way to prevent 90% of lung cancer? Make smoking illegal. I choose not to believe communist Cuban PR about miracle cures.

    • DandyTIger says:

      I think we do indeed pay higher prices because the drug companies and politicians are working together to that effect. Obamacare very carefully didn’t include negotiating for prices based on the pool of all insured. Other countries are smarter and negotiate those things. We effectively subsidize them. If we negotiated on behalf of all insured in the US, our prices would go way down, and others would go up a bit to balance out the same profits.

      • Myiq2xu says:

        Other countries limit damages in product liability lawsuits.

        • 1539days says:

          Under socialized medicine, doctors are often employees of the government. The government doesn’t like to pay out lawsuits, so they have caps on punitive judgement. On the other hand, those same doctors get paid crap so many people just don’t become doctors. Try getting an appointment in most larger countries with socialized medicine.

    • Myiq2xu says:

      I like it when people politely tell me I’m full of shit. That’s what discussing/arguing politics used to be like. Now it’s mostly flaming and butthurt. Everything is great until you disagree on something, then it’s war.

    • leslie says:

      I don’t know if the prices we pay here and the costs in other countries for medications are connected. But what you said makes sense to me. I mentioned that my insurance (Cigna) will not cover the medication I need. So I contacted a company in Canada and learned that exactly the same medication – same name, same dosage, same packaging and same pharmaceutical company would cost me 1/3rd of the cost to me here. So I signed up. Around the same time, I found out that if I had my scripts filled at the university,where I worked at the time, it would cost me less than 20%. But if I hadn’t worked in healthcare, at the university, that may not have been an option. It is such a scam. It makes me so angry to know that some people are more equal than others. Even when I am in the “more equal” tier.

      • 1539days says:

        It’s all about margin and buying power. Drug companies rely on stable order sizes and pricing from socialist systems to still make it profitable. However, US pricing is what keeps them in business. Many countries with socialized medicine just don’t buy “orphan” drugs at all because there’s not enough demand. In the US, there’s no bulk purchasing so the price is higher based on variable demand. My guess is that Medicare might be able to negotiate. Still, if the profit gets too low, those companies will either stop making drugs or won’t bother making the next breakthrough drug, even if the NIH discovers it.

  26. Myiq2xu says:

    This is weird:

    Today’s mail delivery included a SECOND reminder card for my dental appointment next Monday. I got the first one the day after I made the appointment (last week). Is it just me or does this dentist seem kinda desperate and/or needy? I never had to break-up with a dentist before.

    But that wasn’t the weird part.

    I got a letter from state “assemblymember” Adam Gray thanking me for my correspondence in support of Assembly Bill 888 which would “prohibit an individual from selling or offering for promotional purposes a personal care product containing plastic microbeads that are used to exfoliate or cleanse in a rinse-off product.” The letter has my real name and my correct address on it. This isn’t cheap, bulk-rate junk mail, it’s printed on good paper with a full letterhead and was in a nice envelope with a real postage stamp.

    The problem is I have no idea about what he is talking about, I didn’t send any correspondence to his office. Until today I had no clue who my assemblyperson was and that isn’t an issue that I care about.

    Is someone gaslighting me?.

    • DandyTIger says:

      That’s a new thing. I’ve seen the same. Apparently activists are using voting rolls and using all the addresses to send letters. So now politicians see a bazillion letters on an issue and perhaps think there’s a ground swell over the issue. It’s all fake. And because of that, politicians can now safely ignore all calls and letters and email about any issue as it might be fake.

    • votermom says:

      Go Ted!

      Notice he is on fire after meeting with Trump the other week. I suspect an alliance …

      • leslie says:

        I just moved my latest comment to where it belongs… here.

        This “accusation” by Sen Cruz was just reported on Chicago newsradio. True story, while I am listening to this Senator Cruz recording, the radio is reporting on it. (Of course if a Dem had been doing this, we’d never have heard of it.)
        I❤ Ted Cruz, I know I'll only be disappointed later – just like Edwards, Hillary, Jan Schakowsky and others. But for now, and for the past many, many months, I have been inspired by and hopeful about Ted Cruz.
        Is it possible that he will be censured or forced to apologize for calling out McConnell as a liar?

        Please disregard the same comment below the report of McConnell ‘s fast tracking to defund PP.

    • Myiq2xu says:

      Woo-Hoo Ted!

    • leslie says:

      This was just reported on Chicago newsradio. True story, while I am listening to this Senator Cruz recording, the radio is reporting on it. (Of course if a Dem had been doing this, we’d never have heard of it.)
      I❤ Ted Cruz, I know I'll only be disappointed later – just like Edwards, Hillary, Jan Schakowsky and others. But for now, and for the past many, many months, I have been inspired by and hopeful about Ted Cruz.
      Is it possible that he will be censured or forced to apologize for calling out McConnell as a liar?

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  28. votermom says:

    My younger kid today, registering complaint: ” Mom, you guys say I never want to go anywhere but you won’t let me go out with my friends.”
    Me “whadya mean? We let you go out with friends.”
    Kid ” yeah, but only if you know their parents’ phone and talk to them first. So sometime my friends plan to go out and I say I can’t go because I know you’ll ask all that stuff.”
    Me ” you mean you don’t like it when we do full background checks and FBI clearances on your friends? How about if we streamline the process and put the request forms online?”

    • leslie says:


      • Lulu says:

        I used to try to meet the parents of friends of the kids. I went to one boy’s house with my son and rang the doorbell just to say hi and introduce myself. Big fancy house, fancy cars in the drive way. A drunk dude answered the door and then propositioned me (graphically!) in front of both boys at the damned front door. It was the father. The kid couldn’t help it but I made sure the boy was at my house instead of the other way around.

    • mothy67 says:

      Pup asked me as she is counting down the days until school starts. She loves school. FREAK she wants to know when she can walk by herself. I said second yearof her post graduate and then I will be the creepy guy in a dark sedan following you. She smiled.
      9 years almost of enduring the brat. I am in some ways as a great gay uncle on the outside. What I see is that kids need to matter. You votermom love your kids sad but that is not always the case. I resent Hillary and it takes a village. No it takes a person that believes in you not a board of directors. I see so much lost all the time.

  29. Somebody says:

    The weekendis fficially here I am shitfaced, spilled my thirda tervis tumbler drink all over the fucking floor……ooops. Need to eat something now, haven’t eaten since 10:45am. Kids get here at 5qam so lunch is usually early and dinner, but Gigi was derinking and had no interst in food. Do ‘t worry hubby was home watching afyer kids.

    BTW Klown I cam on here looking for some jousting back and forth on the post topic, but none. I had more comments more stuff to dicuss but probably not the time right now.

  30. SHV says:

    “OMG. How terrible. I hope you’re okay now. How do you remedy that?
    Can you contact the Dept of Regulations or the Atty Gen in your state?”
    Of course wife and I are away from home in a Denver hotel. She was visiting a friend when I called her and said my BP was 230/135 and could she pick up some meds at Walgreens. Spent the night managing my BP while Al got some sleep. She had an oral exam at 7:00 AM for which she had been studying for six months. Funny how shit happens at very inconvenient times.

    Generics are a real crap shoot. FDA is doing more inspections in India and they are finding a worrisome number of shoddy, unsanitary production facilities, adulterated meds., no testing or falsified testing data, etc. The Indian gov’t is pushing back by accusing the FDA of trying to protect American drug companies, etc., etc.

  31. Dora says:

    WORKERS UNITE! Hillary Campaign Chair John Podesta Calls for End of Capitalism – “Profit Sharing” for All Workers

    Workers of the World Unite!

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