Haters Gonna Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate

If Vile Progs didn’t have hate, they would have nothing.

Tom Ley at Deadspin:

Why Is ESPN Doing George W. Bush’s Dirty Work For Him?

The ill-conceived remembrance is by now as much a 9/11 anniversary tradition as the insensitively branded 9/11 memorial tweet, but even by the degraded standards of the remember-when genre, today’s contributions by ESPN and Grantland are really out there.

ESPN just released a 24-minute 30 for 30 documentary called First Pitch, which chronicles then-president George W. Bush throwing out the first pitch at an 2001 World Series game in the Bronx, just over a month after the September 11 attacks. The documentary fits right in with much of the media’s recent, puzzling decision to participate in the George W. Bush Image Rehabilitation tour. (9/11 is the tour’s second stop, after that other American city forever changed during the Bush administration, New Orleans.) Through the usual cut-rate documentary methods—wistful, retrospective interviews; orchestral swells—it refashions the largely forgotten act of George W. Bush throwing a baseball as a widely remembered moment of triumph for a reeling country. (The President threw a strike! Take that, terrorists!) This is fine, as long as you’re up to pluck the moment from all context and hold it in your hand like a pretty bauble.


This isn’t about the author, though, so much as it is about Grantland and ESPN as institutions. The machinations that went into pulling First Pitch together were always going to leave someone—whether from Grantland or elsewhere in the ESPN empire—in the unenviable position of writing a story about George W. Bush without straightforwardly acknowledging that the man belongs in a prison. Undercutting Bush’s faux-heroic bloviating with the faintest of whispers may be the best anyone in such a position can do; not getting into that position at all would be better; and what does the difference matter anyway? ESPN had a story to tell, and it’s not the kind of corporation to let something like the moral issues involved in being deferential to a war criminal get in the way of getting people misty on 9/11.

I was never a fan of George W. Bush. To be honest, I hated him. I didn’t vote for him, twice. The first time he ran I thought he stole the election with the help of Jeb! and SCOTUS. Until Obama came along I used to think George W. Bush was the worst president ever. I opposed the invasion of Iraq for reasons that proved correct.

But like it or not, he was our President on 9/11 when everything came to a screeching halt. I’ll give credit where credit is due: George W. Bush did a pretty good job of leading our nation thru the shock and horror of that monstrous period of our history.

That was 14 years ago. I don’t know how old Tom Ley is but judging by his published photograph he was still fairly young when the Twin Towers fell. And yet he is so filled with anger at and hatred for George W. Bush that he published a spittle-flecked screed because ESPN chose to air a short documentary focusing on what George Bush did at a World Series baseball game at Yankee Stadium in NYC less than two months after the worst terrorist attack in our nation’s history.

ESPN is a sports network. The story was about something that took place at a major sporting event. Yesterday was the 14th anniversary of 9/11. The story connects 9/11 to sports.

Tom Ley needs to get a fucking grip.


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89 Responses to Haters Gonna Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate

  1. Myiq2xu says:

    I actually had people (Vastleft and Edge) attack me over the years because I get patriotic on September 11th. They think we should all don sackcloth and ashes on that day and beg the world for forgiveness.

    • 49erDweet says:

      The world is full of idiots. Really. Chock full. Not surprisingly, some might impinge their idiocy on others. They don’t know any better. Very few will survive in the wild.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Just proof the left has no heart. Their (generic OWS) hate helped me recover from my “bleeding heart” days. I did that “RIO” thing in NYC whenever I visited until I learned it wasn’t about helping the downtrodden as much as it was helping their guilty souls. It was sad. And this was years before Obama.

  2. Myiq2xu says:

    I watched Trump last night on Fallon. He came across as warm and funny.

    • Myiq2xu says:

      I am not a Trump fan, but I think a lot of people are underestimating him.

      • Lulu says:

        Trump is obnoxiously charming. His answer to how to build the wall “I’ll just do it” is so alpha and basically true. “Just do it” is really how you have to think to accomplish big things. As a country we used to be like that. Don’t overthink and get started. Work out problems as they arise. He scares the elites who do so well with public malaise.

        • Lulu says:

          Correction: The question was about jobs. Same difference really.

        • Myiq2xu says:

          I prefer Trumps answers to the bullshit lies of most politicians. Obama made all kinds of promises he never even tried to keep.

          • Lulu says:

            He also has no specifics. None really except he is using Sessions immigration stuff and I understand he will be using Session’s stuff again on trade. I would not be surprised if he winds up with Sessions as VP to do the immigration and trade stuff since Sessions is THE expert. Trump is laying out how big projects start out. With an intent and then an outline. I just watched the interview part with Fallon and Trump dialed it back a lot. He is even more persuasive when just chatting. This should worry the establishment media and GOP advisers, office holders and donors a lot. I think he is going into phase two. Phase one was getting attention by being outrageous, blunt and un-pc. It is fascinating watching it all roll out. He is a man with a plan.

          • dm says:

            I believe that is exactly why he has so much support. Republicans are tired of the McConnell “we’ll give it a shot, but I don’t think we can do much” or Boehner’s “well, are hands are tied” spiels. People are tired of trying…or, politicians saying they are trying when all we can see is them lining their pockets at taxpayer expense. We have been enduring the “smartest president evah” for the last few years and look where that has gotten us.

          • 49erDweet says:

            Yeah. The stooopidist congress, evahhhh.

        • swanspirit says:

          That is how we got to the moon, we ,( Kennedy), just did it. I would have liked at least a scrap of specifics, something… anything..an outline of a hint of a plan would have been nice.

          • DeniseVB says:

            Does the average voter really need specifics ? I’ll put myself in that group because I just want to be inspired, like Kennedy did, to reach for the stars, I don’t want to hear the boring details 😉

            Nobody’s asking Bernie and Hillary how they will make college FREE. Nothing’s free, free. Like the lady who believed Obama was going to pay her mortgage and put gas in her car ? When the media caught up with her recently, she has since re-registered Republican. I’m glad I’m in an Open state, I don’t want to identify with either corrupt, stupid and lazy party right now.

          • foxyladi14 says:

            Exactly Swan. 🙂

          • 49erDweet says:

            I know, it just seems more logical, somehow, to plan everything out. Here’s the thing. No plan, nowhere, ever goes according to plan. During Korea I helped plan bombing missions in SAC. The plans were basic. Targets. Times. Fuel loads. Alternative targets. Then the aircraft took off and the plans started to be fleshed out. Nothing ever goes 100% the way it’s planned. It’s a live thing. Only when the crews came back and finished debriefing were the plans finalized. That’s life.

          • Myiq2xu says:

            “No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.”

          • 49erDweet says:

            “….or normal operations” most of the time. /so much to go wrong/. Those long, boring flights were seldom actually boring. Something was always wearing out or breaking. Listening always for that moment of doom was intensely nerve-wracking.

        • leslie says:

          Didn’t, “Just do it!” used to be the slogan of Nike ?

          • DeniseVB says:

            Nike’s “Just Do It” inspired me years ago. I figured out I didn’t have to overthink “workouts” by joining a fitness club, just walk out my front door and walk a couple of miles every day. Saved me time, trouble, money and gas. Yep, and married to a former marathon runner, I still have my original “joints” than he does. Walkies, it’s a good thing 😀

          • leslie says:

            Leaving for my walk in 20 minutes. 😉

        • DeniseVB says:

          In the 60’s, I met an obnoxiously charming Marine Officer in a bar between his Viet Nam tours. Lucky me 46+ years later 😉

      • taw46 says:

        I agree, people are underestimating him. They should look at some of the interviews with him in past years. He is not the clown (no offense) people say he is.

        • 49erDweet says:

          Thanks. Good point. My biggest turnoff is his apparent proclivity to rudely disparage competitors. If he’s really good, its unnecessary and wasteful of needed resources. If he’s borderline or worse, it’s a survival instinct.

          • Constance says:

            Still, Trump is very observant as most of his comments regarding his competitors are true. They aren’t politically correct observations but they are mostly accurate.

        • lyn says:

          Trump’s numbers will rise as a result of every House and Senate failure.

    • votermom says:

      I hope it shows up on youtube since I missed it.

  3. Myiq2xu says:

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  5. DeniseVB says:

    From the morning news feeds …. some guy won the UK’s Labour Party leadership in a landslide and according to our righties, he’s a dangerous left-of-Stalin guy, anti-semitic and embraces terrorist groups. To our lefties, he’s just like Bernie Sanders !!! Feel the Bern!!! Bernie can win too !!!

    Hey, The Donald ain’t looking so bad now, eh? I think he even tweeted out Congrats to the Labour guy sending the GOPe into tizzy fits.

    It’s going to be a great day on the ‘tubes 😀

    • Lulu says:

      That guy is horrible. He even looks horrible. He is George Galloway on steroids. From Blair to that. The death of Labour in the UK. Is this the fate of Dems?

      • DeniseVB says:

        I will admit, I’m lofo when it comes to the UK’s politics, just a Royal Watcher. But I am a fan of Daniel Hannan ever since he dressed down the Prime Minister a few years ago, thought the kid had a bright future, and a cutie pie 🙂


        • Lulu says:

          I read about it in their newspapers and magazines. This last election took out so many of their up and comers and reasonable or even semi-accomplished Labourites. It reminds me of the Dems in 2010 and 2014. Now it is so bad that their own party leaders don’t want their name associated too closely with Labour in case they make a comeback or need to get another job. It is the equivalent of Alan Greyson taking over from Debbie WS. It will be the party of loons.

        • Lulu says:

          I’ve heard Hannan speak and he is very good.

  6. Dora says:

    Is this the beginning of the end for Walker?

    Walker backs out of California GOP convention


    • Myiq2xu says:

      It’s a turtle race. It doesn’t matter who is winning at the beginning or the middle. It only matters who is winning at the end.

      Before you can win you have to finish. If you keep hanging around maybe you will lucky and everyone in front of you stumbles and falls.

      OTOH, running a campaign can be very expensive. Hanging around is a lot cheaper. Some of the people running don’t seem to be spending any time or money.

      Last but not least, it doesn’t hurt to run a low-budget campaign to gain experience and name recognition for a real shot at the nomination in the future.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I wish Walker waited til Oct (a la Bill in ’91 ?). But the competition for donors is much more severe now. He, and Perry, are the most “qualified” on paper right now, but nobody seems to care about actual qualifications.

        It was like this at YK07 when I met up with “Macaca” who was an aide to Bill Richardson. I asked him Why Bill Richardson? He responded, because of all the candidates he looks best on paper. I think those days are long gone 😦

        • 1539days says:

          On paper doesn’t even cover it. If Scott Walker could be appointed president, he would be great for the Republican Party and for the country. Donald Trump will not be president. If he takes out Walker in the process, I’ll have more disdain for him than I had 10 years ago.

          I have a similar opinion about Romney as president.

    • 49erDweet says:

      And frankly, CA is just a lotta nada in GOPe circles. Smart move, maybe.

      • DeniseVB says:

        CA just approved assisted suicide ! Jerry Brown is only 77, wonder why he hasn’t jumped in the national race yet? 😉 He was gov in the 70’s when I lived there and vol’d for Carter and other local San Diego Dems. My precinct won every race, except for Carter. I lived in Coronado, still a Republican stronghold after 40+ years 😀

        • 49erDweet says:

          There are Repub enclaves all over the state, but it just adds to the illusion we have a two party system. We don’t, unless you think kaffe klatches are parties.

  7. 1539days says:

    Deadspin is a horrible website that mostly writes about sports in terms of “scandals” and “crisis.” Everyone there probably sent their resume to ESPN. The 30 for 30 documentaries have often examined the impact of sporting events on parallel events in history.

    I’d like one of these assholes to define what a “war criminal” is. Half of these wussies probably think an emotional “trigger” is torture.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Wasn’t Curt Schilling suspended for pointing out the Nazi’s were only 7% of the German population during his evil-doing rein ? I think he was comparing it to a percentage of Islam that are “extremists” (much higher number than Nazi’s). Also, Hitler’s Germany hosted a very successful Olympics in ’32. Sports!

    • jeffhas says:

      He’s bought into the idea that people who came to the country illegally should not be made to leave.

      So, if I go squat at Ben Carson’s house, how long before you think they call the police, cuff me, and forcibly remove me?

      That is all I need to know.

      • 1539days says:

        Mass deportation is a fantasy. For one thing, we don’t know where all the illegal immigrants are hiding. It is a much better idea to secure the border (with WALLS) first, before we make it easier for new people to come in. This is why every Democrat plan is to secure the borders last. They know that it won’t happen if it’s at the end of the process.

        It’s bad if illegals get to stay after we secure the borders, but we can absorb those 20 million if we don’t get a million every year anymore.

        • Myiq2xu says:

          I would be happy if they just deported every illegal alien that gets arrested.

          • 49erDweet says:

            I want ’em to put something like a tire clamp around their necks so they can’t get back in, ever, but a couple of people object to that idea, so…………….

          • 1539days says:

            It was kind of hilarious when I heard Geraldo try to explain why that was a bad thing to do.

          • Jeffhas says:

            That’s really all they need to do… Treat it like any other violation of the law… Write tickets, pay a fine, show up in court, and be deported if you are here illegally.

            It is not so hard, and there is already a system in place to manage this. Just enforce the laws.

        • jeffhas says:

          “Mass deportation is a fantasy”


          Not being ruled by a monarchy/dictator/ruler was a fantasy.

          Revolting against the British was a fantasy.

          Ending Slavery was a fantasy…. maybe even Democratically electing a Black President was a Fantasy….

          Giving Women the Right to Vote was a fantasy.

          Going to the moon was a fantasy.

          … Then someone (G. Washington, A. Lincoln, SB Anthony, J. Kennedy) steps up and talks like it might not be a fantasy anymore.

          History is rife with examples.

          I’m not looking to be uncivilized and all – I’m just asking that you enforce the laws in a humane fashion. That should not be a fantasy.

          • 1539days says:

            Then the question is how much do you want to spend for moral high ground? If I had a magic wand that I could wave and all non-citizens reappeared in their native lands and all the anchor babies were in their homes with no parents, I might use it. The reality is that we’d have to do a lot to just get rid of everyone.

            First, we need to find them. We’d need a new federal division just to o through all the Social Security records, welfare records, housing records, visas and employment records. We also probably need to go through all the traffic and other cameras for the people working under the table.

            Then, we need to figure out where to deport them. Mexico is stingy with records and people are not all going to give their Mexican addresses. Some people may have left situations where they’ll die if they go back, but they never sought asylum. Plus, do all anchor babies get deported? Even if we work that out, there are about a million lawsuits that will be filed. Even if 75% of Americans approve, there are enough federal judges to block this process for years.

            We could do it. It would take a generation and a trillion dollars, however. I agree with myiq. If we deport the people who do wrong and we take away the opportunity to get over the wall or get a job in the US, the situation will take care of itself after a while.

          • jeffhas says:

            Well – if it were me, I’d use some of the bloated bureaucracy we currently have and treat them like civil violations and use the system we currently have to handle those violations.

            First, the Federal Government has to provide that legal ID’s at the State level MUST include proof of citizenship. Give states 180 days to comply; revoke any that have already been issued.

            1) Give non-citizens 180 days to report themselves and register that they are here.
            2) Once registered, they would have to pay a fine ($150-300-?) to the city/county/state they reside for violating the law.
            3) They would be given a 90 day court appearance date in order to get their affairs in order and they would come in and have their hearing.
            4) If they have no proof of citizenship, they would have another 90 days to report and be deported (not leave, but be deported through our current system so there is a legitimate trail to follow).
            5) During this self-reporting stage, non-citizens that have reported will be registered to enter the country legally (for another fee) given non-criminal history, background checks, etc.
            6) if you cannot pay any fees, automatically go to #4 above (90 days to deport).

            If you don’t report, and you are caught without proof of citizenship (valid ID), you would get a ticket to report to court within 90 days with your proof, or pay the fine for violating the law, which would give you 90 days to report for deportation. If you Fail To Appear at any time, you are subject to immediate deportation upon being caught.

            *** IF YOU DO NOT SELF-REPORT AND ARE CAUGHT, YOU ARE NO LONGER ELIGIBLE TO BECOME A LEGAL US CITIZEN ***, regardless of whether you have paid fines, have 90 days to be deported, etc.

            Hearings would have to be tailored to dismiss frivolous appeals to asylum, based on political persecution, etc. – but these systems are already in place, they just need to be enforced more strictly, no broad interpretations.

            Here’s the kicker; Because you use the current system, local cities, counties, states are going to receive windfall dollars from the fees charged to illegal immigrants. These fees will go to pay for the extra staffing needed, and like all violation fees, go to fuel the bureaucracies themselves – which should please tons of Democrats.

            If fees cannot be paid at any time, jail time, automatic deportation would seem to be the punishment…. as well as becoming ineligible to become a US Citizen in the future.

            The issue of Anchor Babies to me is separate. Given current interpretation of the law, I’d imagine if you can prove you have a child that is a US born citizen, I’d say a decision in those cases would have to be set aside until the US Supreme Court squarely decides this issue, or congress writes legislation, or an amendment is added (which seems like a longshot). If it’s decided in favor of US citizenship being granted to anyone born in the US, then exceptions to granting immediate legal immigrant status (NOT Citizenship – you will still have to go through the process and pay the proper fees/fines) could be granted to parents of US born citizens – but all of this must go through the proper hearing process above.

            This is just a quick outline, but I think there is a way to manage deportations properly. I don’t think we’re going to get everyone, but over time, just like with people who drive without licenses, or don’t pay tickets, eventually the system catches up to you (or at least the vast majority) – and if you are lucky/smart enough to make it through – good for you – you’re a winner (cheater).

            Just like driving on the road:

            … and you can write non-citizens tickets, and fine them, charge them fees, and use the current system to manage it and get them outta here.

      • leslie says:

        I’m a compassionate and giving person (for the most part). If someone I don’t know squats at my building and I find out about it, it will take about 10 minutes for me to call for their removal. I don’t care the color, language, number of babies, etc. We went through this at my building one year when an owner had their “family” move in while they were out of the country. The resulting mess cured me of being “so” understanding that strangers could come in without being vetted.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Me too ! Until I used to offer my doggie bags from a nice restaurant to the “street” people and they refused, eww meatloaf and mashed potatoes, f**k ’em. Teh wanted cash for booze or a cig. Also, those giant donation bottles to drop change in for Teh Homeless in Times Square for years, were a scam. The tablers were keeping every cent. Still are.

          • leslie says:

            Ayup… 😦

          • helenk3 says:

            when my daughter was young she gave her bus fare to a man begging and she walked home. Her father had a fit. He was a bartender working at a bar on the corner when the man was begging. This man used to come in to the bar and complain if he did not get enough money to buy top shelf whiskey.
            It is a shame you try to teach your kids to be helpful and compassionate, but there are so many scammers out there you have to teach them not to be fooled

    • jeffhas says:

      and… since you brought up Ben Carson… I always thought he was a wonderfully human, elegant, humble and accomplished man to run for President…. I never really thought he stood a chance because of his inexperience running something comparative to government, although the ‘hospital politics’ scenario he drew sounded better then anything Obama had managed.

      I do think the part of the article where he claims Trump is *naive* in believing you can deport immigrants is pretty projective considering Carson goes on to say that it would hurt the agricultural and hotel industries….?

      First, if you deport immigrants who are doing these jobs, employers will need to pay people (likely more money) to fill those positions – which means Americans might do those jobs again (if they can make more working then on welfare).

      Second, how naive is it to think immigrants only (or even mostly) work in the Agricultural and Hotel industries? Has he driven through a Jack in the Box (or pretty much any fast food joint except Chick-Fil-A and In-N-Out) recently? They are all immigrants – and most cannot speak english well for a job that requires you hear someone speak to you, and you’re supposed to respond back. Those jobs used to be filled by teenagers, or people needing a second start/chance. Ditto the Car Washes, Construction, Pool Services, Landscapers, Box Boys (and girls) at the local Grocery store, etc., etc., ad nausea… it is endless how many immigrants have taken over jobs while teenagers sit around partying or becoming career students (when some should find careers) and living at home ’til their 30+ because they cannot get a job so they can have their own place and be productive…. and a swath of the young are bored and have sex (gasp), get pregnant and have kids which entitles them to Gov’t Bennies that are more significant then taking the low paying jobs that would otherwise be higher-paying if not for the low-wage immigrant worker (some legal, some illegal) that takes the job for less.

      *** TALK ABOUT NAIVE !!! (Dr. Ben Carson) ****

      … end screed. (btw it didn’t start out that way).

      • 1539days says:

        Americans probably won’t take those jobs for what farms are willing to pay. They would probably use more machinery and technology. The good news is that Caterpillar pays well and it would increase business for them and other manufacturers.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Carson’s running as the anti-Trump right now. Has great zingers, but not so loud. The left is smashing him as the yada-yada-yada porch monkey/oreo….you know the drill. I’m not ruling out Carson. Read his book One Nation, his backstory is certainly the anti-Obama, though maybe two general election cycles too late ?

    • Lulu says:

      !Jeb II. Now the establishment Repubs have a spare. Notice the media and estab Repubs are hiding this. Thanks Think Progress! They have no idea they may have sunk Carson.

      • 1539days says:

        Stink Progress knows what they’re doing. They are scared shitless of a brown person getting the GOP nomination because they’re probably getting an old White person in 2016 for the Democrats.

  8. DeniseVB says:

    I’m starting to understand why Alan West had to be destroyed and thrown out of Congress, he’s just too darn smart. Finally, understanding why the Iran Deal is the mess it is, failed GOPe leadership, on purpose? WTF McConnell ?


    • 1539days says:

      The worst part is that McConnell and Boehner fought hard back in 2009 when they had nothing to lose and GOP numbers in Congress were low. Once they had more power and something to lose, they started worrying about being blamed for stupid shit like “shutting down the government.”

      Obama (mostly Jarrett) knew that once they found out how far the Republicans were willing to go, they would just push past that to get everything they want. The Republicans blocked a budget for a couple of weeks, Obama shut down Veterans’ memorials and national parks and the GOP caved. Once budget blockades were off the table, the GOP became toast.

    • NewOrleans says:

      Love me some Allan West! I know many have suggested Trump & Dr. SleepyEyes would be a powerful combo for the White House, but I’d prefer Trump/West.

  9. FWIW – switched to Chrome from Firefox. Videos now work – no script issues! Thanks!

  10. Dora says:

    Trump – Hildebeast 🙂

  11. Myiq2xu says:

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