David Atkins Is Still Full Of Shit


When last we checked in on David “thereisnospoon” Atkins he was full of shit. He’s posing as a journalist these days, but he’s still so full of shit he squishes when he walks.

On most issues a majority of voters agree with liberal positions. These progressive stances are actually also held by a majority of Democratic legislators—but usually not quite enough to overcome an alliance between holdout conservative Democrats and the Republicans. The electoral theory of change suggests if one elects more Democrats in place of Republicans and, more importantly, more progressive Democrats in place of the bad ones, better legislation will follow. By contrast, engagement and visibility theory suggests that people need to be informed and persuaded about issues to grow support, then urged to disrupt and annoy their legislators such that those legislators will be shamed into action they would otherwise avoid.

But gun politics in the United States shows above all the weaknesses and limits of the engagement model. The vast majority of Americans support commonsense gun laws. Some basic provisions are even supported by a majority of Republicans, yet never get passed into law. Numerous organizations have engaged in countless petitions and demonstrations to shame legislators into action from a variety of perspectives, but it essentially never works. And frankly, if the grieving parents of dozens of dead children aren’t enough to shame centrist and conservative legislators, it’s difficult to think that anything less obviously outrageous could.

The reason that the United States cannot seem to do anything about guns is simply that the NRA and the vocal minority of the nation’s gun owners mobilize to vote on the issue, while the large majority that favors gun safety laws does not. Politicians of good will fear the NRA, and for good reason. Politicians of bad will do not fear the Brady Campaign or MoveOn.org. The NRA has the ability to unseat legislators who don’t do its bidding. The Brady Campaign does not. Moveon.org does not. It’s really that simple.

Whenever Leftists fail to win at the ballot box they blame it on evil rich people and stupid voters. (That is why many of the left’s biggest victories took place in court rather than in Congress.) It’s kinda ironic because the left has been successful in selling their agenda in general terms. They have nearly hegemonic control over the mass media, with conservatives limited to talk radio, Fox News and a few newspapers and magazines.

The problem is when you go from general terms to the specific laws and programs the Left is promoting. Ask a bunch of voters is they support “commonsense guns laws” and you will find that the vast majority of them will agree. Ask them if they support a specific proposed new gun law and that will quickly start to change. Calling something “commonsense” doesn’t make it so.

The fact is that the overwhelming majority of the voters support the right to keep and bear arms. They want to see guns kept out of the hands of criminals, crazy people and children, but they don’t want to ban guns completely. Hang around some gun control advocates and you will soon discover that they consider completely banning guns to be commonsense.

Obviously (to the Left) anyone who does not agree with them is stupid and/or evil. So they spend their time plotting how to get around the will of the people so they can enact laws and programs that the voters are too stupid to realize are good for them.

Meanwhile, the corrupt crong capitalist oligarchy that actually controls Washington DC keeps going merrily along, lining their own pockets.

Have a nice Monday.


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102 Responses to David Atkins Is Still Full Of Shit

  1. Myiq2xu says:

    Kevin Drum:

    I’m not sure Atkins has this right. The problem is in the second bolded sentence: “The vast majority of Americans support commonsense gun laws.” There’s some truth to this, but there’s also a big pitfall here, and it’s one that liberals are especially vulnerable to. I routinely read lefties who quote polls to show that the country agrees with us on pretty much everything. Voters support teachers, they support the environment, they support financial reform, they support gun control.

    But this is a bad misreading of what polls can tell us. There are (at least) two related problems here:

    Most polls don’t tell us how deeply people feel. Sure, lots of American think that universal background checks are a good idea, but they don’t really care that much. In a recent Gallup poll of most important problems, gun control ranked 22nd, with only 2 percent rating it their most important issue. Needless to say, though, gun owners are opposed to background checks, and they care a lot.
    Most polls don’t tell us about the tradeoffs people are willing to make. In the abstract, sure, maybe a majority of Americans think we should make it harder to buy guns. But if there’s a real-world price to pay how willing are they to pay it? A few months ago, a Pew poll that pitted gun control against gun rights found that gun rights won by 52-46 percent.

    There are lots of polls, and some of them probably show a greater intensity among those who support gun control. A lot depends on question wording. But that’s sort of my point: If you get substantially different responses because of small changes in question wording or depending on which precise issues you ask about (background checks vs. assault weapons, gun locks vs. large-capacity magazines) that’s a sign of low intensity.

    Atkins is certainly right that Democratic legislators won’t act on gun control until voters are mobilized, but that puts the cart before the horse. You can’t mobilize voters on an issue they don’t really care much about in the first place. In this case, I think the folks who prioritize issue-area visibility and engagement probably have the better of the argument. Until voters who favor gun control feel as strongly as those who oppose it, all the field work in the world won’t do any good.

    This is why the Left politicizes every shooting incident – “You will be made to care”

    • DandyTIger says:

      They’re so frustrated that they’re so close to utopia, but just can’t get there. If they could just find those very few evil people stopping them, then life would be perfect.

      • Myiq2xu says:

        Both the Left and the Right have a tendency to think that they are the guardians of the One True Way, but these days the Left seems much more apt to cheat to get there. In that regard, modern Leftism is basically a secular religion.

        • 49erDweet says:

          The difference I see betwixt L and R is R’s think you’re foolish and wrong to disagree with them while L’s think you’re criminally insane.

      • lizzy says:

        When Utopia arrives it becomes dystopia.

  2. Myiq2xu says:

    • Myiq2xu says:

      Most “gun deaths” are not murders. Some are suicides, some are accidents, and some are justified self-defense.

      • elliesmom says:

        There was a FB comment going around this weekend about how we should submit people who want to buy a gun to the same things we want women who want an abortion to go through- mandatory waiting periods, education about the dangers of owning a gun, showing them pictures of people who have been killed by guns- because someone who buys a gun could use it to become a mass murderer. It was a nasty screed about how stupid conservatives are because they support easy access to guns, but not easy access to abortions. I stopped it dead in its tracks when I pointed out the vast majority of gun owners kill nobody, but every woman who has an abortion kills someone. This country has allowed a genocide to happen here, and no shot was fired. I love to mess with their heads.

        • DeniseVB says:

          My neighbor is an NRA gun safety instructor who spends his weekends at local and state gun ranges, police academies, military bases, 4-H and everywhere else the NRA wants to spread their “love” of guns. He’s also trained to spot the nutjobs, takes their guns and files a report for those “background checks”.

          While the left blames the NRA for every shooting, they’re actually saving lives. The only thing they can’t stop …. are criminals.

        • Mt.Laurel says:

          I would add that the MSM covers guns with a gusto that often seems like an obsession and shows lots of horrid pictures along with sanctimonious editorials ALL the time. It would be hard to reach the age one could hold a gun and not have been inundated with graphic details.

          Info or news about the not so pretty side abortions/the fact that abortions are invasive surgery and NOT birth control/the lack of ethicalness for some abortionists not to mention the very dark side of PP – not so much.

      • DandyTIger says:

        And the vast majority of murders are either from legally obtained guns with commonsense laws and background checks, or from illegally obtained guns. So there are absolutely no reasonable additional gun laws that would prevent the vast majority of murders.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Make owning a gun as difficult as getting a driver’s license🙂 Taking instruction/testing may help weed out the crazies. I know it did me at 16 which a couple tries for my DL kept the roads safer that much longer😀

          Just my 2 cents…….

          • DandyTIger says:

            Passing a safety class (NRA) thing is usually required for conceal & carry. Could make it required for purchase, or at least below some age for purchase. Basically a drivers license like thing. I know the NRA would sort of not like it, though they’d make the most money from the safety classes.

          • 49erDweet says:

            There may be a little regulatory wriggle room left on handgun and assault rifle purchases, but we might also end up creating another DMV-style bureaucracy. That’s a cost. I have no problem using CA type ID card specs to identify purchasers, but the idea of requiring a type of “behind-the-wheel” road test for purchasers smacks of way too much gummint, for my taste.

  3. Dora says:

    This is making me sick. And I’m not kidding. Whenever I read about what this regime is doing – all illegally – I get a headache or upset stomach. Who is going to stop this intrusion? Damn!

    Obama Admin & UN Announce Global Police Force to Fight “Extremism” in US Cities

    On Wednesday, Property-grabbing Loretta Lynch told the United Nations that the Attorney General’s office, working with several US cities, will be working on a global law enforcement initiative. She referred to this initiative as the Strong Cities Network.

    According to the DOJ “Cities are vital partners in international efforts to build social cohesion and resilience to violent extremism. Local communities and authorities are the most credible and persuasive voices to challenge violent extremism in all of its forms and manifestations in their local contexts. While many cities and local authorities are developing innovative responses to address this challenge, no systematic efforts are in place to share experiences, pool resources and build a community of cities to inspire local action on a global scale.”


    • DandyTIger says:

      I was wondering when we would have our own SS. A federal police force, what could possibly go wrong. And notice the mention of “violent extremism in all of its forms”. Read that as being right-wing and “racist” as defined by the left, promoting gun rights and “not caring” enough to give everyone free money, and “not caring” enough to allow for abortions at 9 months.

    • taw46 says:

      And Obama did say in 2008:
      “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” Obama said. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

  4. Myiq2xu says:
  5. Myiq2xu says:

    This is just an hour from where I live:

    • 49erDweet says:

      Lots of excitement up your way lately. Gunfights in Mariposa, school threats in Tuolumne. Do we need to put a locking steel door on the dungeon?

  6. Myiq2xu says:
  7. elliesmom says:

    Totally OT and because Elliesdad and I need a respite from the world – we bought a retirement house on a lake in Rhode Island over the weekend. We’re not afraid of snow so we had no urge to head any further south than that. We get the lake a few steps away and the ocean about a 20 minute drive. That, and the grandkiddies are here. When my daughter and her husband found out what we were doing, they put an offer in on our house so they’ll be moving in here when we move out. My granddaughter gets her mom’s old bedroom. My goal is to spend Thanksgiving on the lake, and their goal is to have Christmas here. We’ll see how we do.

    • votermom says:

      Congrats!!! How exciting!

      And how wonderful that the next generation is moving into the family home.

    • piper says:

      Absolutely wonderful – understand RI is a very nice state except for the governor.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Congrats !! Living on a lake is like being on vacation year round, you’ll love it.

    • DandyTIger says:

      That’s so awesome! Congrats for you and the daughter for the moves.

    • helenk3 says:

      wonderful. enjoy the life. post pictures

    • Somebody says:

      Elliesmom, congratulations on your purchase!! It sounds heavenly to me, but how does Ellie feel about it??
      Congrats to your daughter and family too. I’m certain she will cherish her new home and how wonderful that you will get to visit your old house frequently.

      • elliesmom says:

        Ellie hasn’t seen her new house yet, but she’s going to love the lake. Maxine, the cat, can decide whether she’d like to move with us and Ellie, or stay behind in her old house. She is equally as happy cuddling with my daughter as she is with me so she will be loved either way. My daughter takes care of her when we go away. We hope she’ll choose to come along, but if she’s unhappy, she can move back home as soon as they move in. We’ll be OK with it. Disappointed, but her happiness is just as important as Ellie’s. My daughter is hoping she chooses to stay here so the cat can’t lose.😉

      • cynic says:

        Aaah, a house on the lake. That’s my dream! Congrats, and how exciting.

        It’s wonderful that your daughter will be living in her childhood home. That’s the greatest compliment one could give. That means that she associates the house with happiness and good memories, and you gave that to her.

        My daughter already spoke up that she wants our house. Perhaps her horses living here helps a bit!

    • blowme0bama says:

      Congrats! I kept my old home in the country after my parents died. It’s a little over a 2 hour drive, but we LOVE getting away every chance we get. You’ll love the peace and relaxation.

    • leslie says:

      Mazel Tov !!

    • Mt.Laurel says:

      That sounds wonderful. Congrats!

  8. votermom says:

    We could prevent some massacres if we were able to go back to institutionalize the mentally ill.
    But nowadays, with the Left in ascendance, people who disagreed with the Left would be deemed mentally ill: global warming skeptics, traditional gender and marriage supporters, non – recyclers …

    • piper says:

      The Left and Institutions

    • Constance says:

      “We could prevent some massacres if we were able to go back to institutionalize the mentally ill.”

      This is really true. I felt sorry for the murdered mother of Adam Lanza the Sandy Hook shooter. Her husband, the boys father, just took off and started a new life in the city and left her to cope. Then everyone damned her for not doing something. What the hell could she have done? Where is there that she could have locked him up? Who was there to come and take Adam away? No one was there for her or Adam. Sure the families of these violent young men know something is wrong with these guys but there is no help to turn to. Maybe it should be recommended that the families call Democrat headquarters.

      • dm says:

        I mostly agree. I have a dear friend who has spent years trying to manage her son’s illness – bipolar/anxiety disorders. She has educated herself and spent countless hours researching what options/assets are available to her. She is not wealthy, but solidly middle class, with a Master’s degree. Right now her son has graduated HS – you have no idea what battles she has had to fight to accomplish that – is attending community college, collecting SS, and learning what it means to pay bills, work, and be independent. Not sure that her son will ever actually get there, but she monitors his meds, dr’s appts, etc. Many of the problems she has dealt with have to do with all the hoops one has to jump through with the Board of Ed, the State, and healthcare systems. Imagine what someone who is not equipped to do all these things, whether it’s the state they reside doesn’t have much to offer or their ability to think rationally and separate emotion from the situation.
        The Oregon shooter’s domestic life is still largely unknown to the public, but we do know mom is a nurse, they lived in a 1 bedroom apartment, and dad hadn’t seen his adult son in 2 years. Does any of this information seem contributory? As a nurse, she should have have better insight one would think. A 1 bedroom apartment and she thinks it’s ok this kids has 13 guns? Having attended a high school for emotionally disturbed youth, did she not see any potential danger here?
        It’s complicated and heartbreaking and frightening, but this is at the heart of these mass shootings and the “systems” in place to deal with these mentally ill youth are in desperate need of an overhaul.

        • Constance says:

          By thirteen boys are usually larger than their Mother. If the shooter was ready to fight to keep his weapons in the apartment what was she going to do about it? Call the cops? they might come, might take him for a ride to their headquarters, talk to him and send him back to retaliate against his Mother. That just makes matters worse.

          And yes I know many small women have their huge sons under control. This woman didn’t and she didn’t have any back up.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I thought of Adam too, that was a horribly tragic situation that could have been prevented. Like the Aurora theater shooter had a long history of mental illness and kept an arsenal of weapons because of doctor-patient confidentiality, nothing was reported. That should change, also certain prescription meds should be reported, but they’re not. Geeesh, even the anti-smoking drugs come with suicide warnings.

        When we first got our computer in the 90’s, we had AOL with everyone having their own screen name. You betcha’ ole Master Screen Name kept a close eye on the chatter and history.

  9. piper says:

    Obama – nihilist or incompetent (personally I would like to know the names of his handlers, the behind the curtain puppet masters)

  10. piper says:

    K. Marge always finds the best images which I confess to stealing.
    File this under “she who laughs last” – and remember that Sarah Palin NEVER said she could see Russia from her house. That was idiot and unfunny Tina Fey who made a bundle impersonating Sarah Palin.

    • mothy67 says:

      Then her show tanked an d disappeared from syndication after one season. She has said herself she regrets it.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Fey spent almost an entire chapter in Bossypants regretting her connection to Sarah Palin, almost as though it was personal therapy to write about it.

        Are you talking about 30 Rock ? It never was a ratings hit, just one of those shows the NBC bosses lurved to keep around because Tina was so cute.

  11. DandyTIger says:

    Hillary also said she would use executive action to control guns if congress didn’t agree. And there you have it, she’s committed to being even more of a dictator than Obama as attempted.

  12. DeniseVB says:

    Just read the comments at spoonies article. One guy was ranting …. the left’s activism should be more like THE TEA PARTY FANATICS, instead of stupid netroots online stuff. Heh, heh.

    • DandyTIger says:

      Wow, they actually are the loony left. They imagine all those tea party grandparents out there are burning down buildings and have rape tents like OWS crazies. Quite the imagination.

  13. helenk3 says:

    I hope this cartoon shows. it is perfect for this post
    springtime for dictators

  14. Myiq2xu says:

    Despite what you may have heard, the NRA is a grassroots organization with 5 million dues-paying members. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association

    • DandyTIger says:

      And actually founded around the idea of gun safety, proper education, and better marksmanship. So evil. That’s not to say they’re not more influenced by big money manufacturers, but their core does seem to be about protecting gun liberties.

      Hmm, you’d think the ACLU would be on that same side. /s

      • DeniseVB says:

        Sort of like the AKC and puppy mills ….

        Not many people are aware that the American Kennel Club (AKC! The Westminster Dog Show!) supports puppy mills. When I served time with the Animal Rights whackos, that fact just floored me. So I looked into it and learned …

        1) AKC is a registry and makes a lot of money doing that.
        2) AKC does support the basic USDA requirements of a “kennel” operation (and you know what sh*tholes many of them are) and will not register dogs mass produced by abusers (that is if they’re convicted, we all know a lot of USDA “inspectors” can be bought off, like at NYC restaurants😉 )
        3) Humane societies and groups who try puppy mill ban laws are fought by the powerful AKC breeders lobby who fear when the ban hammer starts, it will eventually take out the reputable breeders and their lucrative cottage industry.
        4) The AKC does have a great education and training programs to help people make smart decisions in choosing a purebred puppy and will refer to “reputable” breeders who usually have a no questions, take back and rehoming business model, in other words do their own rescue. BUT, you’ll pay hundreds/thousands more for that pup. I believe the Obama dogs came from such a breeder.

        Probably not a great analogy, but more laws won’t fix the problems just make more people lawless.

        • elliesmom says:

          I think it’s hilarious how bent out of shape some breeders get over “designer mutts” or “luxury mixes”. Do they really think the breeds they register started out looking the way they do now? Ellie is a first generation “designer mutt”, and I paid good money for her because I really like the mix. I take a lot of heat over it from the lady down the street who has a purebred poodle because I helped “damage the breed”. And yet she fawns all over the dogs whose mothers escaped from the house and mated with the first male dog they met. I really can’t figure it out. I’m not breeding Ellie, and I’m not showing her, and it was my money to spend on a dog however I wanted. If I’m willing to pay a lot of money for a flooglehound, and she thinks I’m being cheated, it’s really none of her business.

      • driguana says:

        I remember going to camp in northern KY back in 1958, I was 12. We all took rifle lessons and were given membership to NRA and a badge….I still have mine….I was a Sharpshooter…then…and still!!!! No one thought anything of it as it was all about gun safety and how to shoot properly and carefully. They were only .22 rifles then. Many in my family were farmers and hunters and we always had rifles and shotguns around.

  15. Myiq2xu says:

    Last night I dreamed that Bill Clinton was helping me score some crystal meth. That wasn’t even the weirdest part of the dream.

  16. DeniseVB says:

    Oh this made me happy. How NOLA public schools and students are thriving post-Katrina. Why can’t we make these changes everywhere if they’re working ?


    • SHV says:

      How much is the change the result of charter schools or 100,000 fewer, mostly poor AAs living in New Orleans?

      • DeniseVB says:

        Haven’t charter schools been proven better where they’re allowed ? I think the teacher’s unions fight them so they can keep their worst teachers employed.

        • SHV says:

          Agree about teacher’s union agenda, however, don’t know about value of charter school model since today’s “journalists/explainers” construct their “facts/opinions” as narratives to support an agenda. Culture, family, peer pressure seem to be most important predictors of student outcome.

          • DeniseVB says:

            I’m not an educator and never had experience with charter schools and some with private schools. I agree, it does take a village (wink, wink). The Ben Carson story is a good example of one mom, in a bad neighborhood overcoming the odds that her sons would grow up to be a brain surgeon and a rocket scientist.

        • Somebody says:

          It depends on the charter school, some have been very successful and some not so much.

          • elliesmom says:

            Charter schools are always started by folks who have an agenda. Some of them are good for kids and some make parents and educators feel good. How successful they are begins with what the agenda is, and if it’s a good one, how successful the people behind the charter are at accomplishing their goals. There’s a lot of room for failure, but when it all comes together, a charter school can be a wonderful place to learn. Unfortunately, the gatekeepers who get to decide which people get a charter to start a school and which ones don’t have agendas, too.

  17. Myiq2xu says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      How many times has Howard Dean been thrown under the bus by Dems, and where is Wesley Clark’s body been buried? I’m a former supporter of both, and these two are the reason I hate Dems and don’t trust the msm now. *Poof* gone.

  18. Myiq2xu says:
  19. Dora says:

    I just watched a report about this on CNN. Wolf Blitzer described the situation as ‘extremely tense’. I find it all unsettling. It sounds like the beginning of the end.

    Netanyahu: Israel ‘in fight to death against Palestinian terror’

  20. foxyladi14 says:

    Ewwwww shock:

  21. Myiq2xu says:

  22. DeniseVB says:

    About that Hillary SNL gig …. didn’t want to be embarrassed like Palin, so there was a bit of input from Team HRC on her sketch …..


  23. Dora says:

    What a sight! Blood moon over Jerusalem

  24. 49erDweet says:

    Hey! Great news! Just saw where Breitbart says Joe Biden is announcing next we…………never mind. I was thinking of Joe Garagiola.

  25. DeniseVB says:

    Does anyONE remember the Nixon years ? I’ve decided Obama and Hillary are so much worse than that, even the racist LBJ who started the “ni**ers will be voting for us (Dems) for the next hundred years” legislation.

    Also noticed the BO admin is blaming the Afghan military for ordering the US forces to bomb that DWB hospital. Since when did our military leaders take orders from a foreign country? Weird.

  26. Propertius says:

    Ask a bunch of voters is they support “commonsense guns laws” and you will find that the vast majority of them will agree. Ask them if they support a specific proposed new gun law and that will quickly start to change. Calling something “commonsense” doesn’t make it so.

    That may be the single, smartest thing I’ve read on the Internet this year.

    Seriously (and thank you for writing it).

    • DeniseVB says:

      Isn’t “commonsense” a feel good word? So I would support that … commonsense abortion, commonsense death penalty, commonsense is my new trigger word.😉

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