Burn Them Down And Salt The Land Around The Ruins


From Elliesmom:

Before I retired, I was the STEM curriculum coordinator for an international online high school, and I taught an online graduate level college course. While online learning is not yet perfect, it offers a lot of advantages for both teachers and students. At the college level it eliminates the need for a brick and mortar campus, does away with college level sports and student activity centers, and completely democratizes the classroom. No one’s racial identity or even their gender needs to be part of a student’s profile. The costs savings could be dramatic. At the moment most online learning is tied to brick and mortar establishments so online students are helping to subsidize students on f2f campuses, and colleges usually charge the same per credit hour no matter how the class is taken. If the cost of maintaining the brick and mortar campuses is eliminated, the savings could be astronomical. The big losers in the transition to online learning are the administrators. We ran a high school with teachers and thousands of students located on every continent except Antarctica with 12 full-time administrative employees, which included the 3 people who managed the computer network and the receptionist who answered the phones.

I see the current climate on college campuses as an impetus for the expansion of online learning. There is no safer space for learning than your own home. If the cost savings are passed onto students, it will make the level of student loans needed for most people to attend college drop dramatically. Students will be able to bend their hours devoted to college around work and family responsibilities much more easily when they can time-shift their classes opening doors for a lot more people to learn. A lot of opportunities exist already. What’s missing is the recognition that an online degree is as valuable as one earned in a brick and mortar school, but that will come.

I also see a bigger future for cluster class certification in subjects where a student completes a programmed group of courses that will prepare him to begin working in a field before a degree program is completed. Rather than an unpaid internship, a person could begin to look for a paying job in the field. This is already happening in fields like software engineering where technical skills are more important than an actual degree. The student works at degree completion while actively employed. Students will once again be able to work their way through college.

If college campuses erupt to a point where they aren’t “safe spaces” for the people who are going to school to actually learn, the appeal of online learning will become more universal. As more teachers who aren’t tied to the traditional methods of teaching enter the field directly into the online environment, online teaching will become more innovative than it is now. Most traditional college professors who are tapped to teach an online course try to take their f2f course and plop it on a server somewhere, but a prof who specializes in online teaching methods offers a course that usually feels quite different with lots of opportunities for teacher-student and student-student interactions. With a teacher freed from standing in front of a class lecturing 3 times a week, his time can be spent on other things. If lecturing is a part of the course, a lecture can be recorded once and used from even beyond the grave.

Many top-tier colleges already offer a broad selection of online courses. Some places like MIT, Harvard, Georgia Tech, and Arizona State already have the course materials online for free. To get credit for the course and to have a teacher available, you need to pay them, but someone who just wants to become better educated can access the course w/o paying anything. If 2016 is the year our college campuses erupt into violence, many schools could become virtual learning centers with the flip of a switch. While I don’t want that to be the impetus that propels education into the 21st century, I’m watching with great interest how far school administrations will let the crybullies go, knowing it’s the traditional colleges, not the students, who will be the biggest losers. From a student’s perspective the only downside is the expectation that adulthood will once again begin at 18 because there will no longer be a four year vacation between high school and life. Many young people already experience that, but the fortunate students who have time to disrupt other people’s learning obviously have nothing better to do.

Thanks for the soapbox space, Klown. 😉

Our entire education system is fubared. The only real solution is to burn it all down and salt the land around the ruins. Then start over from scratch.

Elliesmom has some great ideas, but don’t hold your breath waiting for any of it to come true. The people that ruined our current system are not going to relinquish the death grip they have on it.

We are so fucked.

Have a nice day.


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108 Responses to Burn Them Down And Salt The Land Around The Ruins

  1. Myiq2xu says:

    Maybe it’s time to ask my doctor about increasing the voltage on these antidepressants I’m taking.

    • votermom says:

      I bet seeing your grandkids = 1000 happy pills.

    • Somebody says:

      There are various supplements that supposedly help with depression, 5-HTP, DHEA, DHA, St. Johns Wort, Tryptophan and other amino acids, that is just scratching the surface. Obviously you should consult with your doctor since you’re on medication, the last thing you want is to have an interaction.

      That being said there are a lot of people who take one or a couple of these supplements as a compliment to their medications for depression under medical supervision. Do a little research, you’ll probably find some research especially on the 1st two listed.

      Another thing that is important is vitamin D. Lots of studies and information about vitamin D. Having enough vitamin D helps with several issues and now lots of studies are saying the recommended daily amounts are most likely far too low. As we get older we have less and because we all worry about skin cancer and our lifestyles have changed most of us are deficient in vitamin D; we’re not out plowing fields or hunting for our food. There are probably other vitamins and minerals that are important with depression, but off the top of my head D is the only one that I’ve read about. I’d be willing to bet B vitamins are important too because they help with energy.

      Beyond that the next big thing in depression treatment seems to be magnetic/electrical. There are a lot of studies going on with that right now and some look promising, but I’d wait until clinical trials are finished if it were me.

  2. helenk3 says:


    4 college stories that will make your brain hurt

      • Jadzia says:

        Elliesmom: I thought this was a really interesting and thought-provoking piece and I’m sorry about sucking up all the oxygen in the room today. I don’t agree with everything you’ve said here, but there is a compelling case to be made for increased online learning for the purposes of lowering tuition. I do fear, though, that this is the very reason that administrators, who grow fat on a steady diet of student-loan money, are unenthusiastic about allowing online learning to happen.

  3. helenk3 says:

    Homeschooling is growing across the country. I guess it could be extended to college. What a sad thing for our educational system. My biggest fear of this is the lack of different ideas. But that is happening on campuses now

    • helenk3 says:

      can you take college courses on line from schools in other countries? Like Dublin Univ or Oxford?

      • Somebody says:

        Probably, but I’m not certain. There are lots of online opportunities for college, but most are tied to a traditional brick and mortar school. Some schools charge the same amount as F2F classes, but some actually charge more for online classes…….figure that one out.

        There are free opportunities too, but not for credit. A famous professor at Stanford started an online “university” called coursera. This professor is the guru of machine learning/artificial intelligence and people come from all over the world to take his classes which are expensive. He decided he wanted to share his knowledge to anyone that wanted to learn so he started this free online “university” coursera.

        The Stanford professor was able to find other professors at a variety of universities around the world that also wanted to impart their knowledge, many of them tops in their field. So they joined coursera too. They have recorded lecture series and they have a system where the top students grade the papers for extra credit or something because the classes generally have thousands of students at a given time.

        There are a couple of other similar type free “universities” that have popped up, one funded by Bill Gates. You can take a wide variety of classes, but they are only for enrichment. Coursera has a few select classes you can take for actual credit for a fee. However if you want a degree online you’ll need to take classes that are tied to a brick and mortar campus. There are a couple of places that are mostly online with only a small office building, but as EM pointed out they are looked down upon.

        • elliesmom says:

          I would be lying if I said the experience of taking a class online or sitting at a desk in a classroom are the same. They aren’t, but each one has its pluses and minuses. The prestigious colleges and universities are going to end the second-class nature of an online degree all by themselves. Online courses are cash cows for a college. They cost a lot less to offer, but they charge full price. In order to do that, they also have to sell the idea that an online course is just as valuable as one you sit in a classroom for. When you have schools like MIT and Stanford offering online degrees, it’s hard to say an online program isn’t worth anything. As more people with online degrees enter the workplace, more hiring managers will cease to make a distinction. Most online graduate degrees from reputable schools already pass muster.

      • elliesmom says:

        Online courses at Oxford- http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/continuing-education/online-and-distance-courses

        The online high school I worked for had students and teachers from all over the world. One of the most popular history classes was a course on the colonial period in America team taught by a teacher in the US and one in the UK. It always had a waitlist.

      • votermom says:

        I’ve tried EdX. It’s good. I kinda dropped out but that’s on me being scatterbrained.

  4. DeniseVB says:

  5. votermom says:

    • Somebody says:

      Because the elite progs were “in” on piss Christ and weren’t “in” on swastipoo, so it hurt their fee fees. Plus it’s cool to make fun of anything Christian. If someone had written f*ck Christ in poo, it would be a non-story.

  6. Erin says:

    Elliesmom your comments about online education are interesting. I have taken both online and in-person training post graduate school. I have to say I found the in-person experience much better. It was much easier to get my questions answered and be engaged with the rest of the class in discussions of the subject. I am quite willing to believe that there are better online experiences than I had, I was wondering what techniques you have seen in the online arena that give the student a comparable learning experience?

    • elliesmom says:

      Setting up an online class requires a teacher to provide space for communication between teacher and student and between the students. Ideally, there’s a place for a student to ask a private question to the teacher with a reasonable turnaround time. There should also be a space where students can post questions about the coursework to each other. The teacher should have access to that space as well, but not necessarily have time constraints for her to participate. Then every lesson should have an open discussion area for the teacher and the students to discuss the topic of the lesson. That space, much like in a f2f classroom, is only as dynamic as the students and the teacher make it. A good teacher asks questions that provoke a response, and good students respond to her and each other. Ideally, a course will also have a space in the course for students to meet each other socially. A place to talk about things not course related.

      In some courses it’s also appropriate to have a public space for posting a student’s work. Often in a f2f class only the teacher gets the benefit of seeing/reading the work of each student. Having papers read in class is a real time sink. But it’s pretty easy to have every student post her work where the whole class can see it. I supervised a new teacher who was teaching a class in computer animation. Seeing the progress the kids made in the class was often the high point of my day. It was amazing how much the kids learned from each other when all of their work was public to the class. Likewise a course in bioethics was enriched when all of the essays the kids wrote were shared.

      A lot of traditionally trained teachers make most of the interactions in an online class between teacher and student. One teacher told me she was afraid the class would “get away from her” if she opened the course up too much. A good online teacher relinquishes the “sage on the stage” role for being the “guide on the side”. In a good online course, more of the responsibility for learning is on the students, which is how courses, especially at the college level should be.

  7. driguana says:

    So happy to have gone to college in the 60’s when there were some real reasons to “protest”. I graduated from Ohio University in Athens, OH in 1968 and loved going to school there and studying a multitude of subjects wrapped around a degree in English/Creative Writing. This was a time of intense agitation and, of course, the later tragedy at sister-school, Kent State. Still, as serious as the times were, many participated in the “riots” for the fun of throwing bricks through store windows and trying to knock off cops hats. I remember it well. And then, you either joined the military if you had a low, draft lottery # or joined the Peace Corps. Graduate school at Indiana University I have to admit was really all about basketball!

  8. swanspirit says:

    Exercise is a great antidepressant.

    • Myiq2xu says:

      That’s depressing.

      • Somebody says:

        Read my suggestion boxing is actually fun. You do have to invest in a heavy bag and some good gloves, plus either wraps or slip on gel wraps which I strongly suggest.

        You can’t imagine whaling on a bag when stuff gets on your nerves?? It’s downright therapeutic, I promise.

    • Somebody says:

      Yes it is, boxing is great at releasing stress and the endorphin rush is fabulous. The best thing about boxing is you don’t have to devote as much time to it as other exercises, it’s almost instant gratification! I think 10 minutes of boxing is like jogging an hour or something like that. You just put some good music on and punch to the beat or you can really get into it and imagine someone you’d like to pummel! Plus it’s indoors so weather is never a factor.

      You can also do little things to boost your mood, vanilla or lavender scents somehow release small amounts of endorphins. Eating dark chocolate or spicy food does too, as well as laughing so watch some good comedies.

      None of those alone will combat depression, but little things add up.

  9. votermom says:


    Princess Bride is my favorite movie and it’s prett obvious tgat it’s Ted Cruz’s fave too. Watch !

  10. SHV says:

    “I would be lying if I said the experience of taking a class online or sitting at a desk in a classroom are the same. ”
    How do online degree programs teach courses that usually have “lab” as part of the requirement?

    • elliesmom says:

      My experience teaching online courses in science was at the high school level. Virtual labs written by career scientists are available in all science disciplines. In chemistry, for example the American Chemical Society has many labs online. As someone who has taught chemistry both f2f and online, the online labs are much better teaching tools. The kids go through the motions of performing the lab much like you’d play a video game. They choose the right equipment, weigh and measure the chemicals, and then the simulation runs the experiment. The online labs can offer kids a lot more “equipment” to choose from making them more in control. If they chose correctly, the lab comes out as predicted. If they’ve made a mistake, the lab fails. The advantage here is then they can run the lab again where in a classroom, the kids only get one shot usually, and they often walk away not learning what the teaching point of the lab is. Physics labs teaching mechanics, dynamics, and electrical concepts are also really, really good. Virtual dissections and other biology labs are plentiful. Then there are some labs that can be done using things you can find around the house. A high school level science course can be done quite rigorously online. The College Board accepts online versions of AP science courses.

      A lot of laboratory work at the college level is also done through computer simulation. Someone looking for a degree in some of the lab sciences might find themselves needing to find a f2f class at this point in the development of online classes, but it is something that I’m confident will be worked out in the future. Maybe a company will be started that offers lab space for students to book and use. The University of Phoenix has a brick and mortar building near me where a student can use a lab or take a proctored exam.

      • votermom says:

        More of the online learning, not just labs, should be done in a video game type set up. Not necessarily the graphics and all that (though why not if there’s a budget) but in a way that addicts kids to learning. Humans naturally want to solve mysteries, find clues, it’s fun when there’s a well-timed reward. Online classes should use that.

        • Myiq2xu says:

          Imagine if each course was broken down into 20 levels, and the students had to show proficiency at each level before they could move on to the next.

          Watch a lecture, do some reading, take a quiz. If you pass the quiz you move on, if you fail you have to go back and review. If you are having trouble you arrange f2f with the instructor.

          Some students would whiz thru each level, some would struggle, most would be in between. Every student learns at his/her own pace.

          • elliesmom says:

            But then we’d have to acknowledge some kids are smarter than others. Some kids are more highly motivated. When all kids are given equal opportunity, and it doesn’t result in equal outcomes, we’d have to have an uncomfortable conversation in this political climate.

            The teaching profession attracts different personality types. Your typical “back to the basics” teachers are conservative in their nature on all counts. They’re laying low right now. The people who believe a student’s self-esteem is the most important thing to nurture are running the show now, and they have been for awhile. The education pendulum swings back and forth between these two groups. The third group of people who enter the field, but in much smaller numbers, are the innovators. Unfortunately, they get burnt out banging their heads against the wall no matter which of the other two groups is running the show. IPI, or Individually Programmed Instruction was popular for awhile in the 70’s, but it lost favor when the touchy-feely types took over. If the pendulum swings back the other way, it might make a comeback because it’s a great way to do rote learning, which the conservators love. Hopefully, the innovators around at the time will jump in and expand the ways it get used.

          • helenk3 says:

            when I went to school that is how it was, you had sections in each grade from junior high school through senior year. That was the kids were taught at their learning pace and not made to fell stupid. Most did learn or they did get left back,
            In grade school some of the Catholic schools I went to had combined grades taught by one nun. And you still learned. It was expected of you to learn, that was why you were there. I went to 13 different schools in 12 years some good , some not so good, but in every one of they you were expected to learn.

          • Jadzia says:

            Time4Learning basically does this at the high school level.

        • elliesmom says:

          I set my grandson (4th grade) up with a lot of online math stuff most of which feels like video games. He loves it, but he has found himself sitting in the vice principal’s office for refusing to do the “boring and babyish” math assignments his teacher gives him to do. She’s finally given in and lets him do his math online, his writing projects using google docs, and his reading on his Kindle. It’s probably a good thing he’s moving in a few weeks. 😉

  11. Somebody says:

    The Donald stepped on his crank with this IMO
    That is a bridge too far, even for Trump. Apparently he even doubled down on it last night during a speech in Iowa.

    • mothy67 says:

      Poor wording, but he hardly calls him a child molester. I can’t get on the Carson wagon because his manner of speaking creeps me out. A visceral response. Same thing with obama and rubio.

      • Somebody says:

        I’m definitely not on the Carson train either, I have issue with some of his ideas. However, from a strategy standpoint Trump needs to woo away some of Carson’s support and this kind of stuff isn’t going to accomplish that. In fact it may cause some of his support that is on the bubble to erode.

        • Somebody says:

          To clarify it may cause some of Trump’s support to erode, such as the evangelicals he’s managed to pull in.

        • Myiq2xu says:

          After my top two choices dropped out I decided to remain uncommitted until it actually comes time for me to vote.

          I’m not even paying much attention to the polls or where they stand on the issues. I figure that there is no point in studying up on all the candidates when come election day I only have 2-3 candidates to choose from.

          • Somebody says:

            I’m not enamoured with any of the candidates on either side to be honest. There are some I like better than others and a couple I can’t stand.

            I guess you’re correct election day is quite a ways away, but I’ve tried to listen to each of the candidates even a couple that I dislike because I want to hear all of their ideas.

        • Venus says:

          Not really he has to have some of Carson’s supporters go to Cruz or even to Huck (the other two making plays for the Iowa evangelical crowd). He doesn’t need them to go to him.

          Trump has been playing a strange game from the start — his comments about Mexico sending their worst, not their best, here illegally, McCain’s war record, Megyn Keller’s blood, Carly’s face, Jeb’s low T. And every time people all said “a bridge too far even for Trump — he’s done!”
          But it hasn’t happened yet.
          This cat is smarter than anyone is giving him credit for.
          It’s fascinating to watch his “anti-campaign” campaign.

          • Myiq2xu says:

            With Trump in the mix my crystal ball is cloudy. He defies prediction.

            He could crash and burn tomorrow, or he could go all the way.

          • Myiq2xu says:

            I’m not a Trump fan but lately the Trump-haters have been getting on my nerves.

          • Venus says:

            Trump haters are way, way worse than the Trumpbots. I can sympathize with the frustration the middle class feels with the uni-party elites that makes a Trump attractive to them. The Trump haters, tho, seem to be arguing for the status quo.

  12. Myiq2xu says:

  13. mothy67 says:

    Room and board are outrageous as well. Dorms are now suites.

  14. Myiq2xu says:

    Friday Facepalm:

    Black Students at Cornell Protest a Pro-Black Protest Led by White Students

    An organized protest at Cornell University supporting racial equality has been canceled after a black student group complained about the “lack of people of color in the planning and attendance” of the event, which appears to have been organized by a white student.

    The group also stated that “although” the members appreciate “the solidarity and interest of our allies,” the organization would like to address prejudice “in [their] own way.” They then suggested that individuals who would like to show support for black causes should ask in advance for the organization’s approval.

  15. helenk3 says:

    all this talk about trigger words made me think about the buzz words that keep coming up .

    million man march


    I am sure there are more.
    all fruit of the same poisonous tree.

    The Street Bros in Philadelphia ripped off many people with a so-called weatherization project.
    Backtrack was involved in a weatherization program in Chicago later.

    Farraghan and his million man march that backtrack helped organize
    now college students with million student march for a free pass on everything started by a man who visited backtrack and blacklives matter

  16. Myiq2xu says:

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  18. helenk3 says:


    OHOH high school removes missolu from top 5 list saying their campus is out of control

    wonder how many will decide missolu is not a good place to go

  19. elliesmom says:

    I have to get back to packing up my things, but thank you all for letting me share something that’s important to me. ❤

    • DeniseVB says:

      I think it’s time for expulsions. I still don’t know what their gripes are, but stomping on the Constitution just sounds like agitation and a disruption to make the little crybullies important or something. It smells of the same sort of nonsense OWS and BLM were trying to pull. Most of those “leaders” were pals of Obama too.

    • 49erDweet says:

      I’d say those protesters at Amherst should be accommodated. Don’t tolerate THEIR speech and expel them all for massive failure. Big F..

  20. Underwhelmed says:

    Elliesmom, your thesis is fabulous. And I think what needs to — what might well — happen, is that people won’t wait for ‘permission’. There’s no point, in this climate. You just start doing it, and let the people come and find the education alternative, and use it. When the balance starts tipping the fascists will attempt to shut it down, and that’s when you shine the big spotlight and make sure the community and large sees what the fascists are doing. We’ve reached the point where these troglodytes are so drunk on their own power, they’re merrily exposing their shrivelled souls for the world to see. And the more people see, the less they like it.

  21. DeniseVB says:


  22. Propertius says:

    I have to say that I’ve found OCW (MIT’s Open CourseWare) and Stanford’s online offerings to be incredibly useful. They’re generally really well-done and include some really top-rated instructors (for example, Stanford’s Modern Physics series is taught by Leonard Susskind, Director of the Stanford Institute for Theoretical Physics and one of the major developers of string theory).

  23. helenk3 says:

    multiple attacks in Paris. 18 dead, 60 hostages taken. so far not saying terrorism. if it waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I pretty sure it is a duck.

    now saying suicide bombers in one place, shootings in another

    And backtrack wants to bring them here

    • 1539days says:

      I’m so glad France doesn’t have any “no go” zones.

    • helenk3 says:

      Map: Location of 2 attacks in Paris; Bataclan concert hall and restaurant are 1 kilometer apart – @Tburgeswatson
      See original on twitter.com
      Paris shooting, Nov. 13, 2015
      Editor’s note: At least three attacks have been reported in Paris. An explosion was reported near Stade de France, where the national soccer team was playing Germany. A shooting took place at a restaurant and a hostage situation is reported at the Bataclan theater. – Stephanie
      End of note

      death toll now up to 26

      • Jadzia says:

        National state of emergency and our borders have been closed. I’ve never seen a politician look as freaked out as Hollande did on the TV just now.

  24. swanspirit says:


    Dr. Carol Swain was born in segregated Virginia. The second of twelve children, she grew up sharing a bed with her sisters in a shack that had no running water. Her family was so poor that she had no shoes and had to stay home from school when the weather was bad. She never did make it to high school.

    And now 1,400 leftist fascists have signed a petition to Vanderbilt University demanding that one of the most respected African-American scholars in this country take diversity training or be “terminated.”

    The petition to force a conservative black woman to undergo diversity training comes from Nick Goldbach, a white hipster student and self-described “urban enthusiast” who claims that working as a waiter at a “sustainable” luxury urban resort in Connecticut taught him about “common humanity.”

    Nick cares about “civil rights and social action,” “chic and unassuming” dining experiences and getting a black woman whose writings about race and racism were cited by Supreme Court justices fired.

    And once that’s done, Nick and a few of his closest social justice warrior pals can celebrate with another “chic and unassuming” dining experience. Dr. Swain had worked her way up from a GED to a PhD by taking a job at McDonald’s where the dining experiences are unassuming, if not especially chic.

    Dr. Swain’s fiercest critics have always been hypocritical white leftists who claim to speak for minorities. She was targeted by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization whose white leftist bosses have made a fortune from exploiting black people. Now she has run afoul of angry white social justice hipsters who claim that she “espouse(s) hate towards minorities” and that a black woman who grew up under segregation needs “diversity training.”

    Joining the campaign against Dr. Swain is Emmie Arnold, a grad student, running a letter writing campaign to get the most prominent African-American scholar at Vanderbilt fired because poor, dear Emmie feels an “obligation to advocate with and for people who are being oppressed.”

    Emmie Arnold is white, feminist, gluten-free and encourages followers on Tumblr to “pay for the convenience of upscale grocery stores like Whole Foods or Trader Joes.” She was a member of two sororities. When she isn’t shopping at upscale grocery stores, she’s fighting “oppression” by oppressing an African-American scholar who grew up experiencing real oppression and is still being oppressed by the likes of Emmie and Nick and a few hundred of their closest Facebook friends.

    Some of these “activists” need to be expelled.

  25. swanspirit says:


  26. helenk3 says:

    this news site gives minute by minute updates


  27. DeniseVB says:

    Obama speaking now.

    Jadzia check in !!!

    • Jadzia says:

      Our city is three hours south of Paris. My husband tells me this is the first national state of emergency since the Algerian war. It’s about goddamned time they closed the borders, though. It’s been one attack after another for the last year (the one in my city last December, the two Christmas markets, Charlie Hebdo, and now this) and you know, maybe we should NOT be letting in a bunch of “refugee” dudes without even knowing who the hell they are. I think our government is finally beginning to realize this. And there’s no real attempt (like with some of the early attacks) to pretend that gosh, we just don’t know WHO could possibly be responsible for this.

      This whole thing, of course, is like a nice big early Christmas present for Marine LePen and the National Front. Which I am pretty sure the Socialists realize and that is why they are finally pulling their heads out of their asses.

  28. DeniseVB says:

    I’m just catching up now …..

    • Jadzia says:

      Yeah, they televised the Obama speech here and I looked at my husband and said, “Gosh, it’s so wonderful to be able to laugh at a horrible time like this.” Because GOLLY GEE, WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE RESPONSIBLE?

  29. swanspirit says:

    The HYPOCRITE IN CHIEF just spoke. You know, the same guy that traded Gitmo terrorists for a traitor, the same hypocrite that wants to let hundreds of thousands of unvetted Syrian refugees into this country. The same hypocrite that let Ambassador Christopher Stevens and brave soldiers die in a terrorist attack without sending help. The same hypocrite that called the Fort Hood shooting workplace violence. Oh right and i almost forgot, the same hypocrite that DID NOT GO TO PARIS after the Charlie Hebdo attack.
    The same guy that cannot bring himself to say RADICAL MUSLIMS.
    And now he wants us to believe he cares and will do something ?

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