Identity Politics Is Divisive


From Scott Adams’ Blog:

Why Would a Man Vote for Hillary Clinton?

If you have been following the Master Persuader series in this blog, you know that the influence stack goes like this:

Identity beats analogy

Analogy beats reason

Reason beats nothing

Most of the candidates are trying to make an appeal to reason, and failing, because reason beats nothing. Rand Paul has lots of reasons. Some might be darned good. No one cares.

Trump says he wants to “make America great again” which is a pure identity play. Voters enjoy – at a visceral level – the idea of having a national identity that makes them proud. According to the Master Persuader stack, Trump is a full layer of influence above the others. And it shows.

But what about Hillary Clinton’s identity message? Clearly she appeals to strong, alpha women who identify with her political strength and impressive success.

But what about men?

Now that Clinton has played the woman card, and said in a public debate that her gender is a selling point for the job of president, how does a man vote for that?


My prediction, based on the Master Persuader filter, is that a majority of male Democrats will abandon Clinton in the privacy of the voting booth. Remember that identity always beats reason, and Clinton has made it clear that in her view, men had their turn.

A big chunk of Democratic men might be lying, for social reasons, about supporting Clinton. They might lie to friends and they might lie to pollsters. But on voting day, in the privacy of the voting booth, no lying is required. On voting day day, people vote for identity.


I can’t see any scenario in which Clinton wins the male vote in her own party.

Our national motto is “E pluribus unum” which means “out of many, one.” The idea is that many people from around the world came here to form a new identity. One nation. Identity politics does just the opposite – it makes many out of one.

Or to put it a different way, “Divide and conquer.”

The problem is that when you divide black from white in order to appeal to black voters, you are sending the message that white voters aren’t wanted. If the Democrat party is the party of black people, then the GOP must logically be the party of white people. If women are Democrats then men must be Republicans.

By using accusations of racism and sexism the Democrats have managed to utilize white guilt and male guilt to hang on to enough of the white vote and male vote to win elections. But anyone who has been in a bad relationship with a manipulative person knows that guilt can easily turn into resentment.

The Democrat chickens are coming home to roost, but they played with fire and burned down the hen house. The Republicans aren’t the ones stoking the fires, they are just taking advantage of it.

What were the Democrats thinking? At the heart of every bloody civil war this world has ever seen is identity politics. Us vs. Them.

Fuckin’ idiots.

For the record, I am not in favor of a race war. I do not want to see a return to the bad old days of Jim Crow and legal sexism. I was proud of my country for the progress we had made in my lifetime, and I hoped to see the realization of Martin Luther King’s dream.

Hopefully this is just going to be a minor course correction. But it could get ugly. Very ugly.

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163 Responses to Identity Politics Is Divisive

  1. Myiq2xu says:

    If true this is bizarre:

  2. Myiq2xu says:

    I’m afraid to look. I’m guessing the “answer” is they are stupid, racist and misled by Fox News.

    • DandyTIger says:

      I’m looking for the panda but don’t see it.🙂

    • DandyTIger says:

      Yep, read it. It’s all about racism and the evil GOP’s identity politics. It includes some Voxsplaining for good measure.

    • swanspirit says:

      Their initial premise is false.

      The question has long bedeviled analysts on the left, troubled that people who would largely benefit from a more robust government seem so often to vote for right-leaning politicians eager to cut federal programs to pay for tax cuts for the rich.

      They believe people would benefit from a more robust government, when people are already suffering from a suffocating amount of government. The solution is not more government, but following the rule of law we already have, not just picking and choosing the laws you will or will not enforce;Obama; and if they need changing using the channels we have in place to change them.
      The analysts on the left will forever be bedeviled, and so be it!
      The people know why they vote the way do, but the left is in such denial, that when the people tell them, they don’t believe it.

  3. Ann says:

    I was with him until this…

    If you are wondering how President Obama got elected in a world where identity rules, it is because he never played the race card.


    • votermom says:

      Scott Adams is an obot. Which is fun to read because here’s an obot gradually persuading other obots to vote for Trump.

      • Ann says:

        Thanks for the clarification, Votermom. I thought he was just delusional. Oh wait, same thing…

    • 1539days says:

      In 2008, Obama talked a lot about his White family, so he made a point to identify himself as part White during the campaign. He also talked about how people were sick of partisanship, which is a talking point that appeals to voters.

      None of that explains how he won in 2012.

  4. DeniseVB says:

    From April 2014, Hillary discusses her accomplishments. Clear as a bell now? 😉

    • cynic says:

      Denise, when I went hunting for that Hillary Clinton 11 March 2014 quote yesterday (that was discussed here), I came across the text from this ‘Women of the World’ forum with Christine Lagarde, and this video!

      In early March of 2014, Hillary was flying everywhere (Vancouver, CA, etc) giving paid speeches. She was paid a lot for the one at UCLA, and I remember a discussion about how much she was pulling in for these speeches.

      I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if she actually said what was quoted, and it has ‘disappeared’. She rambles, and her answer to Thomas Friedman’s question about listing her accomplishments as SOS is sad.

      Part of the quote: “…”Look, I really see my role as secretary, and in fact, leadership in general in a democracy, as a relay race,” Clinton said. “I mean, you run the best race you can run, you hand off the baton. Some of what hasn’t been finished may go on to be finished …”
      .” I’m very proud of the stabilization and the really solid leadership that the administration provided that I think now, leads us to be able to deal with problems like Ukraine because we’re not so worried about a massive collapse in Europe and China ”

      • DeniseVB says:

        After watching the video, that babble I posted yesterday didn’t sound so ridiculous afterall🙂

        Polination ! That’s another good site by former Dems and refugees from Hillbuzz. ChrissyTheHyphenated posts there. She did the Class vs. Crass graphics at HB, and others. Like this one:

  5. votermom says:

    I’m gonna try a “today in history” theme for Sundays on book horde
    I was gonna note that this is the day Dashiell Hammett died, then I read bit of his bio and found out he was a card carrying commie, so I went with an outlaw instead.

  6. Dora says:

    How can this have happened? I am still a bit shook up after watching this. I had to call Hubby in to watch it with me. It’s so unbelievable. If you watch, please pay attention to the words of Nicolas Sarkozy. What is wrong with him? What is wrong with them all? How can this have happened? But, I am repeating myself.😦

    The Tsunami of Mental Disease That Is Drowning Europe

    • DeniseVB says:

      It’s drowning us too via the New Liberalism.

    • taw46 says:

      I have seen those individual videos before, they are available on youtube. This has been going on for years, but MSM would not report it, still won’t, doesn’t fit the narrative. It is just so much worse this last year. All brought to us by the progressive left, who has shut down debate in Europe by calling them racist/xenophobic, same as here. That is why I believe there is an ulterior motive, not leaders being naive.

      You know, it would be one thing for demographics of the West to change naturally, but this is being forced on the citizens. The West is committing suicide. We are right behind Europe.

    • Somebody says:

      Wow, Dora intense video and I agree about Sarkozy……holy shit.

  7. DeniseVB says:

    I just checked, still not response from Hillary on the Cologne rape party. Meanwhile,

    • taw46 says:

      And it wasn’t just Cologne. Several cities in Germany. Also happened in Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, France, and Finland. Major problem, yet no comment from her.

      Also, I can’t remember, but did she ever comment on Rotherham in England? That was 1400 girls “groomed” by Muslim men. UK covered that up for years.

  8. Myiq2xu says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      “Don’t Go.” Well, d’oh. ISIS recruiters are strong in the U.S. too and airports are on the alert for one-way tickets to Turkey and other ISIS ports of call. Much to my son’s alarm, they especially want teenage girls, he’s plucked a few from their seats in Denver. This terrifies him with the twins turning 13 this month.

      • taw46 says:

        It is terrifying.

      • 1539days says:

        How is a teenage girl supposed to know any better when the media refuses to make Muslims looks bad and telling your kids about these savages is considered hate speech?

        • DeniseVB says:

          Are you starting to get the Trump appeal ?😉

          • Dora says:

            You tell them Denise. 🙂

          • 1539days says:

            I’ve been writing for a while that Trump knows what to say to appeal to the base. It’s just that 4 years ago he believed entirely different things and 6 years ago he wanted Hillary to be president.

          • DeniseVB says:

            Days, I’ve evolved too over the past 7 years, though I do give him a pass that he is a businessman who paid for lobbyists and bought a few politicians which he admits to. It wasn’t personal, it was business.

          • lyn says:

            Political evolution is a good thing.

          • piper says:

            Days, agree that he know what to say that appeals to the many people. I will keep repeating this until I’m blue in the face – past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior. We all want to believe in the tooth fairy, pixie dust and superheroes but hype is just hype. Funny how Trump is trying to expose the hypocrisy of obama, fellow GOP candidates and DEM. candidates but we, the voters, need to take a good look at him to see if his promises / hype are more than words.
            I will admit that he has been good at making money for himself and his family. And yes his children look good on the outside but let’s not forget that their mothers and nannies probably did 90% or more in rearing their children.

          • taw46 says:

            Just a minor point, but if you listen to his children, they will tell you that they spent a lot of time with him. Said they would go to office with him, and no matter what he was doing, he would stop to answer their questions. So, it certainly sounds like more than 10% was his influence. And his current wife has already stated that she does not have a nanny.

          • votermom says:

            Based on Trump’ s stories, it sounds like he had a really strong relationship to his dad. So I’m not surprised that he is a good dad himself.

          • 1539days says:

            Honestly, I don’t think I’d want any Hillary 2008 supporter to be the Republican nominee in 2016. It’s too big of a jump. Reagan spent a couple of decades proving his loyalty to the GOP before he could get the nomination.

        • taw46 says:

          Six years ago, I wanted Hillary to be president.

    • Somebody says:

      Well I’m glad she and her son were able to escape, but I have no sympathy for her. Her husband is a fool too for taking her back.

  9. DandyTIger says:

    Wait, so as we’re moving further into a holy war with Islam, the Dems are purposely trying to divide and conquer and burn the place down. Sadly if they succeed they’ll be the first to die in such a holy war. Dodo birds come to mind.

    • taw46 says:

      The elites will be OK, though. I heard they are taking over a country in Africa for just that purpose 😉.

    • lizzy says:

      Yes I think the elites are operating under the delusion that the religion of peace will follow their plan instead of beheading them. Muslims don’t tolerate nonbelievers.

  10. Dora says:

  11. Myiq2xu says:

    Meanwhile, back at the asylum:

    When I said that we need to watch out for Christian religious extremists and anti-guvmit types with guns, I’m pretty sure I lost readers. Oh, ho-ho, there goes RD again, gettin’ all paranoid. She’s been eating too much tin-foil.


    Oh wait, totally forgot to remind everyone that the first act of religious extremist terrorism on September 11 was by a bunch of Mormons who thought the government was going to come to Utah to…

    …wait for it…

    … take away their guns.

    Or some such nonsense. Yep, turns out they were waiting for the US of A to send soldiers into Utah and make them start behaving or not polygamating or something. If you want a complete breakdown of how the whole ugly religious extremism-anti-government Mountain Meadows Massacre happened, check out this collaborative podcast effort between Lindsay Hanson Park and Mormon Expressions. You won’t be sorry. It’s an amazing story and cautionary tale for all of us.

    Granted, the Mormons had had a checkered past with the authorities in several states with massacre-ing happening on both sides. But with the Mountain Meadows Massacre, Mormons took it to a new level and butchered over 100 men, women and children who were just passing through. Maybe they wanted the cattle. Maybe they suspected them of collaborating with the people who killed one of their apostles. Maybe they just wanted to set an example for anyone else who thought they could traipse through the west without even a “by your leave”.

    Who knows?

    One thing for sure though. Those crazy Mormons had been fed a steady diet of anti-government propaganda, were chased from place to place because they were trying to rig the voting system in their favor and followed some new messianic religion, and they were waiting for the end of days.

    So, you know, we have all been here before.

    The violent, anti-government rhetoric in the west has been around for more than a century. We probably shouldn’t be surprised that Glenn Beck has been using the survivalist shtick to sell everything from gold to desert bunkers.

    There is a cost to all of this. The religious extremism and anti-government paranoia has gone mainstream now. These people have their own “political correctness”. That is, in order to be a good American, you’ve got to believe in the most reactionary forms of patriarchal Christianity and the second amendment is THE most important amendment in the Constitution. It trumps the first, fourth and fifth amendment. Oh and the 14th amendment is optional.

    FYI: The Mountain Meadows Massacre took place in 1857

  12. lyn says:

    From a local man’s obit: “In lieu of flowers, the families know that William would request people donate to the NRA as well as not vote for Hillary Clinton.” – See more at:

    • lyn says:

      “Not that the riots and sexual assaults in Cologne stemmed from the Koran or Islamic doctrine, any more than the sewing circle’s rise stemmed from its favored technique of knitting. But the founder of Islam imbued his new religion with a number of rules and practices that made it the formidable militaristic force that conquered an empire from Spain to India in its first 100 years and that is advancing in Africa and Asia today.”

  13. Myiq2xu says:

  14. Dora says:

    EXCLUSIVE–Kathleen Willey Thanks Donald Trump for Highlighting Bill Clinton’s History with Women, Urges More Victims to Come Forward

  15. Myiq2xu says:

    Being Donald Trump means never having to say you’re sorry.

  16. cynic says:

    July, 2013, Glenn Greenwald said this in an interview:
    … the U.S. should “be on its knees begging” that nothing bad happens to NSA leaker Edward Snowden because the information that would then be revealed would be the country’s “worst nightmare.”

    My theory on what is taking place In Europe and here is simple — blackmail. Why do you think they covered up what Denny Hastert did, and the whole thing went away quietly? You can’t tell me that the GOPE in IL didn’t know about the whispers of Denny when he coached boys, yet they got him elected. When they ‘own’ you, you do as your told, and you become rich and important.

    Traps are set, and a few resign once caught (Petraus).

    • Myiq2xu says:

      There is a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes. Blackmail, bribery, corruption – money is power, power is money. Every once in a while we get a peek behind the curtain, but only a few get to visit and even fewer get to live there. Rewards for loyalty and silence, punishment for talking and/or breaking the rules.

      Even the top civil servants (who are supposedly apolitical) know that if they keep the faith they will be protected and rewarded. Just ask Lois Lerner.

      The Borgias were amateurs.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Boehner’s re-election as House Speaker caused a few “whacko birds” to lose (or were threatened?) their committee chairman seat for voting against him. F**king GOPe is just as vile as the Dems. Then he “retired” anyhow.

    • cynic says:

      oops, I hate making silly mistakes. last sentence, para. 2, your s/b you’re.

  17. taw46 says:

    Widespread sexual abuse in Stockholm in August 2015, similar to what happened New Year’s Eve. Covered up by the media.

    • jeffhas says:

      So exactly what happens when the tourist $$ dry up in Europe? I mean I have long planned a European vacation for my family, but much like with Mexico and Turkey, Germany, France and UK are starting to look pretty iffy (Denmark looks off the table!)… I can’t be the only one worrying?

      What good is cheap labor to help take care of the aging population if no one comes and spends their money in the country to keep those poor workers employed?? … And what good is The Louvre if they replace The Mona Lisa with Muhammed?

      Here’s a sad commentary; now that Mexico has recaptured El Chapo, it looks like they will solve their problems before Europe.

      Sh*t, planning a vacation outside the US is gettin’ hard!

      • jeffhas says:

        Let me rephrase;

        I gave up a Mexican Vacay some time ago (gunfights and ransom aren’t my strong suits)…

        So then I looked towards a European vacation, but what’s left there that’s not scary? Greece, then Turkey was already off the table, now Germany, France, UK, Denmark, Sweden all look verklempt….

        Italy was always the lynchpin anyways, so I guess we got that… And maybe Spain… See what I mean?

      • cynic says:

        How about really seeing America? I mean getting off the interstate, taking back roads and really seeing the country.

        How old are your kids? One year we took the kids to Kings Island, saw a ball game in Cincinnati, (a beautiful park) came home thru KY and toured the Louisville Slugger Museum (ordered a bat with son’s name ahead of time, and surprised him with it).

        Kids love watching how things are made. In VT, we toured Ben & Jerry’s and Cabot Farms, watched cranberries being harvested, apples being pressed into cider, etc.

        How about keeping our tourist dollars here?

        We haven’t been to Europe since ’84, and I have no desire going there anymore. My friend’s daughter went to Paris when all the riots were going on a few years back. It was very scary for her. Not good memories.

        Even in ’84 there were problems in Rome. I’d have to read up again to remind myself what was going on there at the time, but we saw many armed soldiers on the streets and airport.

        • jeffhas says:

          Thanks for all these great ideas – pretty much every year we see something in the US, I’ve been contemplating the ‘lavish vacation outside the US’ for awhile, and haven’t closed the deal. The South Florida along with Hawaii look like great alternatives, but a Washington DC trip is looking better and better to me – not so lavish/resort-y, but the HISTORY!… My kids aren’t kids anymore – just past college or more with careers… But we all hang out and find some time each year to be a pack of wolves somewhere….

          There is nothing wrong with seeing more of the US, and there is so much to see!!

          My main point is, here I am contemplating a European vacation for the past several months thinking ahead another 6 to 12 months, and Europe looks like a sh*thole – and getting worse…. And I’m just one guy, there must be tons of other people thinking the same exact thing, who probably plan European vacations more than once in a lifetime, what the heck are they thinking now ??

        • DeniseVB says:

          My husband attended the NATO Defense College in Rome in ’84. Small world. The student body were international officers (mid-career?) and part of the 6 month program was visiting everybody’s home country. Most of the nations let the wives go, but not the kids, so they paid for boarding schools. Not the U.S. I was stuck at Camp Lejeune (NC). Probably couldn’t have gone anyhow since we had orders back to Norfolk/VaBeach and I had a house to sell. Just as well, U.S. wasn’t going to pay my way or babysit my kids anyhow🙂 They also made dh grow his hair out not to be so g.d. obvious with his Marine buzzcut, and yes, fears of being a target to whatever factions were controlling that part of the world.

          My world travels include Montreal,Quebec and Tijuana, and a few Caribbean tourist traps, I’ve seen enough. I just don’t have that wanderlust. Visiting NYC scratches that itch plenty 😀

      • Somebody says:

        Well then vacation in the US. There is so much to see here, surely you haven’t seen it all? You and your family can stay safe and bonus, you help the economy in the area you visit.

      • taw46 says:

        Maybe the elites don’t care about tourist dollars. Maybe they just want to destroy the civilized world so they can have more power, who knows.

        As far as trips to Europe, I know several people who went last year and were just fine. If you avoid the known bad areas and with a little luck, you may be OK. Percentages are probably in your favor. I myself am trying to decide whether or not to go.

        I have a German friend who visits the US several times a year. When he was here in December, he told me Germans were fed up with the crime and the money they have to pay to the immigrants. First time he ever criticized his government. He said I should be OK, just avoiding certain areas. But other people said they made their last trip to Europe.

        I do think Italy, Spain, Portugal, Hungary, maybe Czech Republic would be OK. Problems don’t seem as intense there. Again, maybe the other countries would be alright as well.

        • jeffhas says:

          Thank you!!! – this is very helpful advice !!!

          • taw46 says:

            Some that I know, that went to Europe last year, went to France and Sweden. Again, they were fine. It would probably be like visiting NYC, Chicago, any city here, nothing would happen and you would have a great time. Europe is so beautiful. But, there is a risk, and you do have to think about it. Guess we need to see what happens next few months.

      • Myiq2xu says:

        I know a place with ZERO terrorist problems!


      • Jadzia says:

        Come to Tours, it’s safe and beautiful here!

      • Jadzia says:

        Okay, LAST comment about vacationing in Europe. One other approach is to visit the secondary cities instead of the huge touristy places. Naples instead of Rome, Bordeaux instead of Paris, you get the picture. Your money will go a lot further and you’ll have a more authentic experience, too.

  18. Myiq2xu says:

  19. votermom says:

    So do I bet on powerball numbers that have never been drawn or numbers that always get drawn?

  20. Dora says:

    I think Jeb is getting a bit creepy on The Donald. Yikes! 😦

    Jeb: I Imagine Trump Wearing ‘a Bathrobe and Nice Slippers’ When He Phones in TV Interviews

  21. Myiq2xu says:

  22. Dora says:

    Can you imagine if Bernie actually won? What a surprise that would be. A pleasant one too. 🙂

    Burn by Bern: Sanders Soars in New Hampshire

    • DandyTIger says:

      He’s tied in Iowa right now. Would be really funny if he won the first two states. Hillary still has the money and connections, but would certainly change the narrative and give the progs hope for someone less creepy and less criminal.

    • elliesmom says:

      Since 1952, unless the candidate is an incumbent president, on the Democratic side only Kennedy and Carter have won the primary in NH and gone on to become the president. On the Republican side it has worked out for Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and George H. W. Bush. Only George W. Bush lost the primary, but went on to win the general election. It appears the NH primary is a better litmus test for the R’s than for the D’s.

      • 1539days says:

        Primaries and caucuses are no longer predictive. It is only a tool for influencing the horse race talk.

        There’s an editorial cartoon from the 1992 NH primary. Pat Buchanan and Bill Clinton are standing and smiling with second place medals and the media is surrounding them. Off to the side, Bush and Paul Tsongas are looking at their first place medals all by themselves.

  23. Venus says:

    Reports that David Bowie is dead. I’m truly sad about this one.

    RIP Thin White Duke.

  24. Venus says:

    The only time I saw David Bowie live was his 1987 Glass Spider tour. Here’s a clip from that (China Girl – which is probably considered racist today, but still one of my favorites — the first Bowie album I bought was Let’s Dance in 1983 — and Rebel, Rebel):

  25. Dora says:

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