When this primary is finally over is everybody gonna kiss and make up?


First I saw this:

At this point in 2008 six states had already voted (but two of them “didn’t count”) and the Obama campaign had played the race card down and dirty. The purge of Hillary supporters from DailyKos was about 90-95% complete. The Obama cultists had seized control.

But the Obama-Clinton race in Iowa wasn’t simply a matter of hard work and spreading his optimistic vision of the future; it was a bitter political fight. Obama hammered away at the notion that the New York senator was on the wrong side of generational change, and his team successfully convinced reporters that every Clinton campaign swipe was an underhanded personal attack — something he’s less than proud of in retrospect.

“The truth is, in 2007 and 2008, sometimes my supporters and my staff, I think, got too huffy about what were legitimate questions she was raising,” he admitted. “And there were times where I think the media probably was a little unfair to her and tilted a little my way in calling her out.”

In fact, he said, Clinton “had a tougher job throughout that primary than I did.”

Ya think?? Most campaigns don’t have a bodycount. So yeah, this year isn’t quite as bad. But this year most of the ugliness is over on the other side. And make no mistake about it, it is UGLY.

Obama ran a scorched earth campaign in 2008. It worked, and he won. But scorched earth doesn’t heal overnight. The Democrats have paid a heavy price for Obama’s victory.

Will history repeat itself? Will the GOP self-immolate?

Meanwhile, the real action starts Monday. I’m not making any predictions. Trump isn’t the only wild card in the deck.

I’m glad I don’t have a dog in this fight.


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144 Responses to When this primary is finally over is everybody gonna kiss and make up?

  1. 1539days says:

    I had forgotten 2008 was the year some states tried to move up their primaries ahead of Iowa and New Hampshire. That didn’t go well.

  2. elliesmom says:

    The 2008 primaries were an “us against them” contest among the voters within the parties, at least within the Democrats. While this primary season is “us against them” again, I don’t think it’s the same “us” or the same “them”. I can troll the Feel the Bern kids with reasons why supporting Hillary makes more sense without being called a lot of names and getting banned. If there are insults being hurled, they’re at her, not at me. Likewise, most places I can disagree with someone over Trump or Cruz or Rubio and still retain my commenting privileges. (Lest anyone think I’m too nice to get kicked out of anywhere, I regularly get kicked out of online sewing groups for being too honest, and I’m on my 5th persona at TalkLeft.) This time, I think, the “us: are the voters, no matter who we support, and the “them” are the members of the parties’ establishments. When the dust settles after the primaries are over, I don’t know if the voters will rally round the candidate their preferred party chooses or not, but I don’t think there will be a permanent rift like in 2008. But if the voters choose Trump or Sanders or both, I don’t know if the political parties as we know them will be able to heal the rift between them and their constituents.

    • Myiq2xu says:

      A Feel The Bern win would be good for laughs. What will the progs say when the GOP congress opposes an old white guy POTUS?


    • DeniseVB says:

      The 2008 election certainly split the GOP when it gave birth to the Tea Party and absorbed many of the PUMAs from the Dems. Those were fun times until the IRS took a bite out of the grassroots organizers making it impossible to raise money for their rally fees. The GOP seemed quite okay with that too.

      Enter Trump. He’s turned this election cycle upside down, imagine what he could do in DC. Country before party ! I’m rooting for the bloodless revolution!!

      • lyn says:

        I want what ^she^ has.
        Also, if you loved Obama, why do you hate Trump? People are asking the opposite question.
        I don’t love Trump. I love the idea that someone has a chance to become president and he isn’t a status-quo politician. And I’m from Montana, and this year I’ll vote for the cowboy. If that cowboy loses early, then I won’t care about the 2016 presidential race. I’ll be voting third party forever, because I’m done with both parties.

        • leslie says:

          “If you love obama why do you hate Trump?” is the best question I have asked and the people whom I asked were horrified that I could see no difference. “Trump is a crook”, they said. “Trump is a misogynist”, they said. “Trump is a racist/ a hater/ a divider”, they said. I said “See? No difference”. Some people aren’t speaking to me right now.

    • 1539days says:

      Trump fans are dedicated. They’re not assholes like Obots.

  3. Dora says:

    Cruz campaign has admitted to sending out these ‘shame letters’. Dirty! Dirty! Dirty!

    He Said He Was An Undecided Iowan Until He He Received This Controversial Mailer From Ted Cruz.


    • Somebody says:

      Meh, unions and the dems have been doing that for some time. I’m pretty sure the Obama campaign did that too. What I would find much more interesting is to know which areas he did this in. Knowing that would give you a little insight as to what his internal polling is showing him.

    • elliesmom says:

      As a newly registered voter in RI, my mailbox fills up most days with political stuff. Some is really nice to get like the letter from my state rep with a list of all of the important phone numbers people in his district should have. Most are requests for money, but the only one that’s gone negative at all was the one from Hillary. She doesn’t mention Sanders. She’s skipped right over him and went after the Republicans. 😉

  4. taw46 says:

    If either (or both) party tries to “install” a candidate at their convention (like the Dems did in 2008), I think we have war, maybe no one votes, lol. You already read about R elites planning to do that, if Trump is leading in the primaries. And the rumblings of Biden being selected, if Bernie wins. I think the only way we have healing, is if someone wins big, across party lines, a la Reagan. What are the chances of that, could Trump do it? Have to see if his votes match the polls.

    • Myiq2xu says:

      If the GOP tries any funny business Trump will fight and his supporters will fight too. Rubio might let himself be passed over like Hillary did with a promise he would be lead dog next time around, but not Trump. He’s too old and too rich.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Trump’s also made it very clear, if this doesn’t work out, he’ll just go back to his day job and make great buildings again. He’s definitely not in this for the power or money, he won’t even take a gov. paycheck as Pres. That tells me a lot too.

        • insanelysane says:

          Just a thought.
          Let’s suppose Trump is elected POTUS.
          Don’t Presidents have to divest themselves from all their other business and streams of income? Blind trust or something.
          Obviously I am not a lawyer.
          If that is true, how could Trump step away completely from TRUMP ,Inc?
          Is it even possible?
          Would he do it?

  5. DeniseVB says:

    Politics has taken over the gossip pages, I can’t catch a break 😛

  6. driguana says:

    No dog in the fight either but “kiss and make up”? Nah…

  7. votermom says:

    Kiss and make up?
    Maybe. But with any luck the Dems who get stiffed at this primary will be more in kiss my @ss mode.

  8. driguana says:

    Wouldn’t usually say this but today is my 70th birthday. FB announces everyone’s b’day so you get lots of little messages and comments. Well, the first one I get very early this morning is from someone I haven’t seen or talked to in perhaps 20 years. This was the message: “:no one on the right ever did anything good…I like Jack but I would never hang with him now”. Isn’t that a lovely birthday message? The person who sent it is a deeply ingrained Obama/Sanders cult member in his late 50’s.I’ve never declared myself anything but a Fierce Independent. Kiss and make up?

  9. Myiq2xu says:

    They weren’t kissing. She was checking to see if his breath smelled like an intern.

  10. votermom says:

    Speaking of stuff to celebrate, I got my first payment from Amazon today! It’s for stuff you guys bought in November. Thank you so much!!!

    • DeniseVB says:

      Cool beans. December’s check should be a doozy 😀

    • mothy67, says:

      I keep getting emails for “regex” to ta k e a qualification test on mturk. I looked at the test has something to do with regular expressions and coding. I’ve made 4,985.95 since I started in 2008. I mostly do it on the bus. It’s a change jar. I get a kick out of doing the surveys. They are almost always academic and usually have a severe liberal bent. Choices are agree with them or be a nazi. Use the keyword adult. Lots of stuff is screening employee photos. Is it appopriate. Some actually are porn and you have to decide if it is hardcore, explicit, racist, suggestive. You watch Spartacus so I doubt you are squeamish. I do it out of boredom. I am considering getting one of those job things. I am debt free but batgirl the older the kid gets the more I spend. I don’t want a thinking job. I want to be a dishwasher in a diner that walks polyester clad waitresses to cars after a long shift. I want a simple job with no aspirations. I was looking at teaching adult literacy. I can teach I don’t dictate. My brat with early common core. I was so frustrated. Mental math is an adult presuming to understand a kid. I had to try to see how she was seeing it. We went to stores with money I created shops in the house to get her there. The instructions were not natural. Dwayne was a heroin addict trying to get into a long term rehab. His brother had committed suicide his twin brother days before. He couldn’t read and the place used RET or REBT. Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy. In a nut shell you have to know yourself and then and only then can you make good decisions. I am a fan. A crack whore that was molested by her mom’s boyfriends is not going to embrace 12 Steps.
      Anyhow I said I’ll teach him to read. I did. Was not that hard. I used to love the Sunday Time’s puzzle. Frustrating until you got how the author was thinking then it all falls into place. My brat or Dwayne I could not force to see things as I do I had to see what they were seeing. 90 days everyday I met with Dwayne. He can read. He stood up and read at an NA meeting that he insisted I attend. Cheers standing ovation we were in the Hill district harsh place. I get called n####er all the time. I’m waiting for a bus and I hear you that n####er dat helped Wayne. You alright. I did teach him to read. We did 90 days together we did his workbooks together. Really intimate stuff I wrote it down. He had bared his soul to me I think it was completely natural that at one point he attempted a sexual aspect. I saw it coming. These workbooks dealt with everything. He answered honestly. You are going to have feelings for someone you spill your whole life to. Especially if noone ever listened. Does not make you gay to be attracted to a man. I get that sounds funny but I feel it’s true. This man’s identical twin brother had committed suicide. He was 50 and the drug game had left him behind. He was old guy. No skills. He could not read. I was dropping off clothes. I over heard him begging to get in. That day I heard him and jumped in saying I’ll teach him to read. Insanity. I did. No idea what I was doing. I called every literacy program. I was inundated with materials. He can read and is an inspiration in his hood.

  11. mothy67, says:

    When they tell you not to drink on meds there is good reason. I am taking Vistaril because I have severe mold allergies. Up and down weather kills me. Bourbon helps. It’s about relaxing. Booze plus hydroxyzine. Not good. I feel like someone beat he shit out of me.

  12. Myiq2xu says:

    You gotta watch it to the end:

    • DeniseVB says:

      LOL ! Literally laughing so hard tears are rolling down my face. That’s so dachshund, made me miss mine, best dogs ever.

    • elliesmom says:

      Sent this to my niece. She has both of these pups.

    • lildoggy4u says:

      That Lab is just a baby. I had one and he was the biggest puppy I’d ever seen and grew up as large as a Great Dane. His buddy was a very small mutt that would stand underneath him between his front legs while menacingly barking at any intruder or noise while the big one just stood there (what a team). The Lab went everywhere the small dog went. We had furniture turned over constantly and lots of broken dishes/glasses. Everything went to unbreakable plastic and still is. No glassware in my house but alot of laughs.

    • leslie says:

      OMG I am literally laughing. out. loud. 😀 😀
      That was great fun! I’m sending this to my sister who is nothing if not an animal lover.

  13. piper says:

    Good thread from Thomas Sowell

    ‘Moreover, his cockiness is misplaced, because he still does not have a majority among Republican voters, while you need a majority of all the voters to win any state in the general election.

    Trump has a showman’s talent for telling people what they want to hear. But you can listen in vain for a coherent argument from him, based on facts and logic, much less an understanding of the inherent limitations of the office of president.

    More than two centuries ago, Edmund Burke said: “Constitute government how you please, infinitely the greater part of it must depend upon the exercise of the powers which are left at large to the prudence and uprightness of ministers of state.”

    Complete link: http://spectator.org/articles/65335/grow

    • Myiq2xu says:

      Trump has a showman’s talent for telling people what they want to hear. But you can listen in vain for a coherent argument from him, based on facts and logic, much less an understanding of the inherent limitations of the office of president.

      I agree completely. But for all my adult life I based my voting on stuff like that. Even when my picks won, as soon as they got in office they did whatever.

      Obama campaigned specifically on restoring the constitutional limitations of the Executive branch.

      • DeniseVB says:

        O ran as a constitutional “professor” and against GWB’s record, and I’m still waiting for my free rainbow unicorn show pony. Worst political experiment ever by electing a blank slate with no personal or professional accomplishments. Yep, putting all my marbles on the opposite guy this time. Could work, it certainly couldn’t be worse.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I totally respect and admire Mr Sowell, but I’ve read these OpEds over and over til I’m immuned to yet another conservative purity test. I re-read the article replacing Trump with Obama and it made more sense 😉 Be sure to read the comments ! None of them are right or wrong, but there’s clues to why so many of us disagree with our betters.

      Piper, who are you leaning “For” ? I would love to hear more about him or her too.

    • swanspirit says:

      I think the problem with Sowell, and a good many other conventional and well meaning conservatives, is that Trump has broken the paradigm of how elections should be run, and how candidates should act, and what candidates should say; and they simply cannot get past that to the actual core of who the person is.

      I saw that at the last debate. When Donald was a no show, all the rest of the candidates seemed to breathe a collective sigh of relief, as if to say, now we can do things the way we have been doing them, and we don’t have to change.

      I just read a story about Trump completing an Ice Rink for the city of New York. It was costing them millions over budget and not being completed. Trump asked to take over the project, and he completed it ahead of time and under budget. I have a growing feeling that under all that bluster is a mensch, but sometimes I have a problem with his delivery myself; but I can look past that if he does half of what he says he will do.

      • lyn says:

        Great observation, Swannie!

      • Dora says:

        My friends and I liked to skate at the Wollman Rink on Fridays after work. The renovation of that skating rink in Central Park is the first thing I remember about Donald Trump. He went on to do many other great things for the city. And I went on to become a supporter. A Trumpster, as we are now called. 🙂

    • leslie says:

      I don’t disagree with the “showman . . . telling people what they want to hear”. I wanted Cruz/Fiorina 2016 in the beginning. Now, I don’t know who I want. But I know WHAT I want. I don’t blame people for supporting Trump. There’s a line in the movie “The American President” that I think of quite often these days:

      “People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they’ll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They’re so thirsty for it they’ll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there’s no water, they’ll drink the sand.”

    • 1539days says:

      The public in general wants each election to solve all the problems of government. That will never happen. So, either we get complacent or discouraged. Trump may be different, but there have been Ross Perot and Barry Goldwater before. All we can hope for is for things to get a little better. I don’t see that happening with Donald Trump.

  14. Myiq2xu says:

  15. Dora says:

    Fresh from a boycott by Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump, Fox News is facing criticism for failing to reveal that controversial pollster Frank Luntz, who led their post-debate focus group, has financial ties to candidate Marco Rubio.


  16. lyn says:

  17. Dora says:

    Somebody above mentioned the parties installing their own candidates. Well, the so called ‘power brokers’ do not want Trump and will do anything they can to stop him. Heck with what the people want.

    N.H. Republican Power Broker Says NO Trump, NO Cruz – Promises Brokered Convention

    Read more at http://dcwhispers.com/n-h-republican-power-broker-says-no-trump-no-cruz-yes-bush-kasich/#at3pTldEAkMIR6SF.99

  18. dm says:

    Kiss and make up, eh? Not so much. Right now I’m struggling with voting beyond the primary if my choice is truly unpalatable to me. Which, in the past, I would have argued with anyone else saying that by not voting, you are indeed voting for the other side. I voted for McCain – most unpleasant but the BO hatred ran deep with me (still does). I voted for Romney – at least I felt he was a bit more sincere and not quite as two faced – again, the BO hatred. I find no democrat alternatives – all of them crazy, effin’ Obama zombies. The republicans – well, they each have intelligent things to say on some issues. Can’t get past my bias – Jeb seems like an entitled toddler, Rubio reminds me of a slick car salesman, and who the fuck are the rest??? I like Trump and/or Cruz. It bothers me to see either one of them needlessly trashed, but due to their recent polling being so close, I guess it was inevitable that the nasty would start to come out. I’m pretty disgusted, I freakin’ hate Iowa and their damn caucus system, and will be relieved when that is done.

    • DeniseVB says:

      If my Plan A doesn’t work out, I could easily settle for any of the others on the GOP side over the whackos the Dems have put up. What bugs me about the Dem side this year are there are no rising stars running as it should be in an Open election season. I could have easily seen a Cory Booker running who is certainly more qualified than Obama was when he ran. Don’t get me started on my idiot Senators, Kaine and Warner (Dumbasses-VA), who have also rolled over to the Dem leadership, and way more experienced, accomplished and likable than Hillary or Bernie.

      I hope my liver holds up til November 😉

  19. DeniseVB says:

    The Beck Effect ?

  20. leslie says:

    NYT endorses candidates for President.
    Really, no surprises here….

  21. mothy67, says:

    I wonder how really people navigate custody stuff. We are fighting this fight out of genuine concern. My parents had an RV and were going to travel. I was living in NYC. Kid had no one. Not fighting for custody because its fun. It’s like living in A Lifetime movie. He is unfit. A few years ago he tried the molestation charge. I moved to a hotel the day it was made. Two months it took. I was treated like a criminal. I was out of the house but there were still two home visits and I was interviewed twice. Entire time I could not hear what the charge was. I considered suing but the social worker said it would only hurt her. I caved but I think there should be some accountability. Real victims suffer from false reports. I also don’t understand how when I watch local news I hear these tragic stories about kids. A few years ago a woman sat on a kid, she was being paid by the state as a child care worker. The baby was smothered. Died. How was such a person ever allowed to be a caretaker. How the fuck do you sit on a baby?
    So today. My baby girl sees her father twice a week. By court order it has to be in a public place and pup has to have a cell phone. Today he hit her in the fac, called her a spoiled brat and took her phone.
    He then lied. Told my mom she is just trying to manipulate he would never hit his kid. Called his daughter a manipulative liar. Too bad for him he did it in front of a camera. He hit her and then called her a liar
    Judges rarely order psych tests but this one did. Beyond psych test I have never heard of a court order requiring a cell phone for a kid. My parents also have to be nearby in a public place when he sees her.
    He files and refiles loses refiles. Years of this. He thinks he owns his daughter. He has beaten his girlfriend into submission. He knocked out her front teeth with his fist. She’s a junky. He owns her. Keep her high and she belongs to you.
    Not fighting a silly custody battle. Fighting for her life

  22. DandyTIger says:

    Did you know being a pilot is racist? Me neither. Apparently according to a FB friend, me posting about flying and about airplanes and related news is racist and white privilege. Wonder if me and driquana have the same FB “friend”. Wonder if there is some vile prog desperation in the air that is causing some new crazy like this.

    • taw46 says:

      When I first joined Facebook, I only friended family, so I could stay in touch with them. Then, just a few friends. Once I retired and moved, all my work friends wanted to follow, so I gave in. I never discuss politics on Facebook, but there are some who are always posting those prog grievances. Sigh, should have stuck with family.

    • Underwhelmed says:

      But what if it’s a black guy in South Africa who’s talking about it?

    • DeniseVB says:

      Probably why I never really fit in with the Obots, I wasn’t good at personal attacks or blaming other people for my problems……..or jealousies. There is something odd about that kind of behavior. Like they never outgrew being bullied in high school and it’s payback time. I dunno.

  23. Dora says:

    Today’s rallies. Starting at the Dubuque Airport. 🙂

    Donald Trump Rally Dubuque Iowa – 2:00pm (EST) Live Stream…

    Candidate Donald Trump will be holding three rallies in Iowa today Dubuque, Clinton and Davenport. The first event takes place at the Dubuque Regional Airport at 1:00 PM Central, 2:00pm Eastern:


  24. DeniseVB says:

    😀 I have liver on the brain today, I may have to start Happy Hour early …..

  25. mothy67, says:

    I am so sick of people feebly attempting to compare Trump supporters to Obama cult. So wrong.

  26. Dora says:

  27. DeniseVB says:

    Megyn is still really pretty without makeup, I hate her. 😛 Still love the catty DM though, their politics and media coverage is just so fun.


  28. DeniseVB says:

    This guy demonstrates how easy it is to fake a tweet. Though it is wishful thinking on his part, be careful of these from any candidate you see “screen grabbed” as PROOF. 🙂

  29. driguana says:

    Thank you all for the sweet birthday wishes and support. I love this house!

  30. Dora says:

    Iowa Official Criticizes Cruz Campaign Over Mailer

    HAMLIN, Iowa ­ Iowa’s secretary of state chastised the presidential campaign of Senator Ted Cruz on Saturday for sending a mailer that he said violated “the spirit of the Iowa caucuses” and misrepresented state election law.


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