A Fresh New Iowa Open Thread :fistbumps:

Me. Now. Looking forward to the results in the morning.

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150 Responses to A Fresh New Iowa Open Thread :fistbumps:

  1. DeniseVB says:

    Sorry, I inspired myself downstairs. If Iowa is CST, I think we’re an hour or two from EST Cauci ? I don’t think I’ll make it. Go Trump! Go Bernie! Chaos 2016!❤

  2. elliesmom says:

    People should be arriving at their polling places now. The weather is still holding. It’s in the high 30’s in Des Moines, which isn’t cold by Iowa standards for this time of year. Nothing to blame a low turnout on except a lack of interest so we’ll see how the campaigns are at getting their peeps out tonight.

  3. Myiq2xu says:

    I didn’t realize you were a smoking hot blonde.

  4. Myiq2xu says:

    How do the Democratic Caucuses work?

    Eligible caucus goers divide to form Presidential preference groups. If a preference group for a candidate does not have enough people to be considered “viable,” a threshold set at the beginning of the night, eligible attendees will have an opportunity to join another preference group or acquire people into their group to become viable. Delegates are then awarded to the preference groups based on their size.

    At the end of the night, who is determined as the “Winner” of the Iowa Caucuses?

    On caucus night, Iowans in each precinct elect delegates to their county conventions, but the winner of the caucuses will be the candidate who accrues the most state delegate equivalents. State delegate equivalents are calculated using a ratio of state to county convention delegates. In other words, the ratio determines how many delegates the candidate would receive for the state convention based on the number of county convention delegates a candidate receives.

    That’s clear as mud.

  5. DeniseVB says:

    Last I heard, if 250 million people show up tonight, Trump and Sanders win! Just kidding, something like that😉

  6. DeniseVB says:

    I have FNC on right now, there’s Megyn, love her Trump hair-do. ::gigglesnort::

  7. lyn says:

    The only thing that I’m certain about is I will become apolitical by Jan. 20, 2017. Both parties suck, and I will do Snoopy’s happy dance when the Worst President Ever leaves the White House.

  8. swanspirit says:

    Ok I cannot take it, I am bailing to watch the fashion police. For a while.

  9. taw46 says:

    GOP reports long lines, also running out of ballots.

  10. taw46 says:

    If you like Pat Caddell, he is on FBN.

  11. DeniseVB says:

    I’m signing out, early returns have Hill and Cruz leading.

  12. leslie says:

    There was a rumor that Carson was leaving the campaign. He squashed that big time, saying he was returning to FL to get some clean clothes and to return to his campaign on Wed.

  13. Myiq2xu says:

  14. 1539days says:

    I guess Iowa didn’t join the Trump cult.

    • lyn says:

      Cruz Cult!

    • piper says:

      Thank goodness. So even with all the free continual publicity and stunts, he couldn’t close the deal.

    • Venus says:

      Nope, Iowa likes Amnesty too — just like you.

      • 1539days says:

        I just want a wall and not the kind of cheap one with back doors that Mexico would pay for.

        • Venus says:

          As usual, you think you said something witty, but in actuality, you said something stupid.
          1. IOWA is Evangelical central — Cruz was always expected to win and now he gets to be the Rick Santorum of 2016.

          2) Doesn’t matter whether you are supporting Cruz, Trump or Rubio – ALL of them out performed today compared to earlier VOTE TOTAL forecasts – which says the three of them all can claim victory of one form or another

          3) The difference between 1st and 3rd place is going to be 5% of the vote total. If you are running ANY of these campaigns – it’s a 3 way TIE. Cruz will end up with ONE more delegate than Trump (at this point) out of a total of 30 delegates.

          3) Believe it or not – this was the EASY state to upset the polls because it is historically volatile. Expect Cruz and Rubio to say things about each other that makes EVERYTHING they’ve said so far look like a compliment.

          See what I wrote there ^^^ that’s *actual* political analysis of the Iowa results, not the narcissistic moral preening crap you spew.

  15. 1539days says:

    O’Malley is getting creamed. Kasich has a higher percentage on the GOP side.

  16. taw46 says:

    Well, if Trump wins NH in a week, Iowa won’t matter. That’s politics.

  17. 1539days says:

    Clinton might e-mail out a victory.

  18. 1539days says:

    Huckabee is done.

  19. Myiq2xu says:

    ABC interrupted Final Jeopardy to announce Cruz won. They couldn’t wait 3 minutes?

  20. 1539days says:

    Rubio is on with his former cheerleader wife.

  21. Myiq2xu says:

    Top story tomorrow: Trump loses Iowa.
    2nd top story: Rubio exceeds expectations
    3rd top story: Cruz scores meaningless win.

  22. Myiq2xu says:

    I have had as much as I can take of bloviating gasbags telling me “what it all means” for one day. I’m turning off the tube.

  23. Dora says:

    So Iowa prefers the Canadian. Who would have guessed?

    • Ann says:

      From what I read, Dora, Cruz had a very good ground game. Trump? Not-so-much.

      It is more interesting to me how Rubio did… he pulled his ads didn’t he? And suddenly he’s over 20% when projections had him at 15% with the “late surge”.

      Hmmm we’ve seen this game played before.

      The take away tonight (for me) is Iowa voted over 60% for a NON establishment candidate in Cruz, Trump, Carson. Think the GOPe will notice? Or care? Or react positively? (hahaha) Will anyone be forced out to put will establishment backing behind Rubio? Stay tuned for how the continuing story of “How the Corrupt Political World Turns”…

  24. 1539days says:

    Sanders closing in on Clinton. Hilarious.

  25. taw46 says:

    Trump is on now.

  26. lyn says:

    Angie was right. Cruz gets one more delegate than Trump so far, eh.

    • Venus says:

      And lets not forget: Trump has spent very little money, unlike Cruz with 10,000 on the ground in Iowa. Only asshats like days can’t see how YUGE that is and think people pointing out how big of asshats they are is “bitter.’

      Even Trump haters Allahpundit (HotAir) and Erik Erikson “get” it:

      If he can do this in a caucus, which requires the voter to go out and stay out for a rather long time just to cast a series of votes, he can certainly do it in a primary. When you get right down to it, Donald Trump got nearly 40,000 people to show up on a cold February night when a blizzard is on the horizon. That’s no joke.

      We have a series of proportional states forthcoming in which we could possibly see Trump pull higher numbers than he has here in Iowa precisely because it can be done with less organization.

      What should scare everyone now is if there are any indications Trump decides this was a good opening negotiation point by the voters and begins spending on organization now in earnest.

      After all, we know this was just the opening round and Trump isn’t done yet.


      Expect to see Trump spending more $ going forward.

      • lyn says:

        From hotair: “The guy’s basically half-assing his campaign and he still beat the Great Establishment Hope for second place (I think) and nearly knocked off the hyper-organized, hyper-competent Cruz campaign. He’s no joke. And thanks to a divided moderate field, there’s still every reason to think he’ll win New Hampshire.”

    • Venus says:

      And the first comment on the HA thread (linked abvoe ^^^)

      It should probably be kept in mind that Iowa was Cruz’s strongest state (except for maybe Texas, the Canadian’s adopted home state, as when he gave up his Canadian citizenship a year or so ago anyway) and Trump’s weakest and yet Cruz didn’t win by very much. Imagine 2 athletes competing in a lengthy series of decathlon type events and in the first one the competitor who wins that event does so by a small margin and yet that’s easily his best event. Does it bode well for that winner? I don’t think so.

  27. taw46 says:

    I am watching Hillary, only because I am watching Bill. He looks awful.

  28. 1539days says:

    Sanders and Clinton now 0.2% apart.

  29. DandyTIger says:

    I think Hillary will pull it out. But barely.

  30. DandyTIger says:

    The election would have been over if Trump won. Now we get to have more fun. Popcorn.

    • lyn says:

      … and beer.

    • Venus says:


      I’m still pulling for Let It Burn.

      • Myiq2xu says:

        There are five candidates who can plausibly claim that tonight was a “win” for them – two Democrats and three GOPers.

        • Venus says:

          Yep — and that including Donald Trump — who, spending almost no $ (Cruz has spent $40 million so far; Rubio is being boosted by the MSM/GOPe) and who has never run a political race — and he go more than 40,000 people out to caucus for him and ended up with 1 delegate less than Cruz, who is WAY behind in the next 3 states and will have to spend $500 million to get the nomination.
          Only a complete idiot/GOPer sees this as a loss for Trump.

  31. DandyTIger says:

    “Prediction for tomorrow’s news: The 51% of Republican Iowa voters who voted for a candidate of Hispanic ancestry will be denounced as racists.”

  32. 1539days says:

    Interesting. Hillary came on stage unannounced to the media (in the middle of Cruz’ speech) without Bill or Chelsea. It seems like she wanted to make sure she gave a ‘victory’ speech in case she lost.

  33. Bernie Sanders on FB at midnight:
    Bernie IowaFeel the Meth

  34. Dora says:

    This is how he won? The man is lower than a snake! 😦

    CONFIRMED! Carson INCENSED Cruz campaign lied to supporters telling them he dropped out of race


  35. threewickets says:

    Anti establishment result all around. Caucuses are great for public peer pressure which works well on millenials. Iowa will soon be forgotten as per usual. Money and media momentum are supposed to come with early wins. Trump doesn’t need either, he has his own. But Cruz will keep banging on the New York values angle I’m guessing. He may have caught a wave. How big remains to be seen.

  36. Dora says:

  37. Dora says:

    Well, it was a sad night for the Trumpsters. But not too sad. I think for a man with ‘New York Values’ to come in second in a state like Iowa is pretty darn good. He did get 24% against the established political machine and Donald is the only candidate of the top 3 who didn’t buy votes. That means a lot of some of us. He didn’t have to cheat like the slimeball Cruz either. That also means a lot.

    The number of delegates was surprising. After all these weeks and all the energy spent campaigning, Cruz came away with 8 delegates, while Trump won 7. So, he will take his 7 delegates and move on to New Hampshire where he will win.

    Now on to a more important issue – will the groundhog see his shadow? We should know in a matter of minutes.

    • DeniseVB says:

      No shadow, early spring😉

      Fox was talking about the Cruz-Carson kerfluffle too. That’s going to give Trump some extra fuel for Cruz bashing.

      • elliesmom says:

        Yesterday it was 60 degrees here and sunny. The ground is bare. More of the same today. Last year we were buried under 4 feet of snow, and I was threatening to kill the groundhog and turn him into stew. 😉

      • lyn says:

        It’s been in the 20s, and a blanket of snow covered the ground this morning.

  38. leslie says:

    Cruz just lost my vote. There was an interview on MJoe with a spokesperson from the Cruz (“courageous conservative”) campaign who DEFENDED the dirty tricks of the last days (sending out voter scorecards and saying Carson was dropping out of the race) as legitimate strategies. He didn’t even deny the question of morality saying those (tricks) had been used “by Republican winners in the past”.
    I didn’t get the guy’s name (and the MJoe site didn’t name him) as I was in the kitchen when the interview began. But I am pretty annoyed by his defense of lying and possibly openly embarrassing people in order to win. I still have my own set of beliefs and I’m not voting for Cruz here in IL
    This may have solidified my protest vote for ABC – anyone but Cruz.

    • leslie says:

      ^This^ should have nested under Dora 2 4:27. My bad.

    • elliesmom says:

      I find that very disturbing, too. My field of who I’ll vote for is shrinking.

    • Somebody says:

      Well it’s true the voter report card at least is a typical tactic as I said a few days ago. I’m not up on the Carson dropping out thing. If it was in a mailer that is a bit of a stretch, but whisper campaigns like that are common place.

      What got me about Cruz was the information posted the other day in the link from Underwhelmed. That Cruz was vice chair of the senate committee that ran the racist ads and pulled in dems to vote in MS in the dirty Thad Cochran primary race. Cruz was all over decrying the tactics and then it comes out he’s vice chair of the committee that did it??? Add to that his superpac is run by Mitch McConnell’s attorney who is a COC tool??? Seems like a bit of wolf in sheep’s clothing, but maybe that’s just me.

      I can’t stand Rubio and it’s personal because I’m a Floridian and he lied to me to get my vote.

      I agree with Trump on immigration, but I want more specifics than just I’m great, I’ll be great you’ll see.

      So I don’t know what I’m going to do.

    • lyn says:

      Grampa Munster did a dirty.

  39. leslie says:

    I’m off to babysit and there may be no politics for me today unless g-baby takes a nap. She’s sort of giving them up.

  40. Dora says:

    Punxsutawney Phil did NOT see his shadow at Gobbler’s Knob and so Spring is just around the corner.

  41. Somebody says:

    How about one of the moderators put up a new thread? Maybe find a clip of the Punxsutawney Phil and make it a groundhog day post?

  42. Dora says:

    Wow! I’m really not surprised, but Wow! 😦

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