Last Night Was No Debate – It Was An Ambush

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If you watched any of last night’s GOP “debate” on Fox News you may have noticed that it was a little unfair and unbalanced.

Donald Trump Was Set Up

The word came in from our best-sourced Fox News Kremlinologists: Fox News had settled for Donald Trump. Roger Ailes had given up on the hapless Marco Rubio. Megyn Kelly was sounding conciliatory, granting that Trump appeared more and more presidential. Rupert Murdoch himself tweeted that the party would be “mad not to unify” around nominee Donald Trump. It worked: Donald Trump arrived, unsuspecting, for his ambush.

Trump was beginning to make noise about skipping tonight’s contest. Bill Kristol (lol, I know), practically reported that Trump had decided to use his Super Tuesday victories as an excuse to skip all future debates. Could it be that all of that chatter was designed to assure Trump that Fox’s moderators would go easy on him? Was there some cunning strategy behind the fashioning of this pre-debate narrative of Fox’s inevitable Trump acceptance?

If so, it was a brilliant maneuver. Tonight we saw the attempted assassination of front-runner Donald Trump, beginning early and sustained for almost the entire night. Fox prepared elaborate multimedia presentations designed to make Trump explain away his erratic positions and policy proposals. They hammered him on Trump University and got him to flip-flop on immigration. All night, Fox’s moderators forced Trump to directly reckon with his contradictory positions and statements, complete with video packages illustrating those contradictions. No other candidate faced a similar onslaught.

Near the end of the debate, Fox just openly played a clip from an anti-Trump attack ad, ostensibly as part of a “question” for John Kasich.


If indeed Fox lured Trump into an ambush, it would be perhaps the canniest move the conservative establishment has made this entire election cycle, and the first documented example of anti-Trump coordination actually working (to whatever degree it will turn out tonight “worked”).

It also probably came about six months too late. And there is still no one candidate well-positioned to solely benefit from any anti-Trump coordination.

There are two problems for the GOPe right now:

1. Is anybody paying attention anymore?

2. If not Trump, who?

Last night was the 11th GOP debate. I’m sure that lots of reporters, pundits, bloggers and other political junkies were watching. But that is really a small fraction of the voting public.

On the east coast it was prime time and people had to choose between their favorite shows and the debate. On the left coast people were still coming home from work and it was dinner time. So how many undecided voters even bothered to watch?

As of right now Trump is the front runner. That is kinda like being the reigning champ in boxing. Any challengers have to knock you out, but all you have to do is survive. It is not enough for Cruz or Rubio to merely win the debate, they needed to change hearts and minds.

I don’t see it. There may have been some hard punches thrown last night, but nobody scored a knock out. Kasich probably did the best overall job, but he’s too far behind and it was too little too late.

Marco Rubio came across like a snotty prep school punk.

What do you think? Do you even care?

Heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali stands over fallen challenger Sonny Liston, shouting and gesturing shortly after dropping Liston with a short hard right to the jaw on May 25, 1965, in Lewiston, Maine.


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162 Responses to Last Night Was No Debate – It Was An Ambush

  1. Myiq2xu says:

    I sorta overslept this morning. Teh Kittehs are pissed because their breakfast was late.

  2. Anthony says:

    Repeating myself (like Little Marco):

    “…In other news, 2016 GOPe and MSM favorite and Boy King, Marco Rubio, begins his charm offensive, contrasting Donald J. Trump’s non-presidential demeanor with his own more refined tone. Back to you, Bob…”

    • Myiq2xu says:

      Last night he kept interrupting Trump and Trump just talked right over him.

      • Anthony says:

        I was hoping the moderators would actually moderate, but like my Aunt Lottie, they just let their little dog yap yap yap away, even if he was drowning out everything else.

  3. Dora says:

    He had a great rally this morning. The place was packed and the crowd enthusiastic.

  4. Anthony says:

    Yes, I agree that Katich’s optics were the best of the lot last night. He showed reserve, a measured and level temperament, and had what sounded like some substantial policy ideas. But I have to admit, if I woke up the day after the GE and learned that he won, I’d be shaking in my shoes.

    Despite his positives, Kasich has the “establishment stank” all over him. It was clear that TPTB are now shifting their support from Marco the Magnificent to Kasich. Also, I’d be a little nervous if Kasich were at the helm when that whole Zombie Apocalypse thing goes down…. let alone a showdown with Putin or Lil Kim from Korea.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Kasich isn’t that good of a campaigner either. Nice guy, but uninspiring. AFVet, who comments here on occasion, lives in Ohio and not a fan of his Gov’s policies there either. You’re right, just another establishment stank.

      Oh, and how has he survived this long and Perry and Walker didn’t? I liked them so much better.

    • lyn says:

      I despise Kasich for his insistence that Trump will never be the nominee when the majority is voting for Trump.

    • swanspirit says:

      Kasich has the charisma of a dog that rolled in skunk. if he ran against Hillary, people wouldn’t even know who her opponent was. K who???
      Fox just doesn’t get it. The more they attack him, the more people realize he is the stealth Independent candidate.

  5. DeniseVB says:

    I’m impressed that article was from Gawker, it’s the most fair and balanced I’ve seen them. From the comments, they’re starting to get it ?

    Like, yes, Trump is a fucking joke. But he’s the only one who gets called out for it by the media. Everyone else on that stage gets to be just as much, if not more, of a joke, and it’s just fine. This is why people support Trump. He’s a liar, exaggerator, bloviator, etc. But the core narrative he spins, in this case about the media, is compelling, and more importantly, true.

  6. Dora says:

    I don’t know why he lies so much. I guess he can’t help himself.

    • Somebody says:

      Because the anti-Trump crowd clings to every little tidbit they can. My sister thinks Trump is a democrat plant. She thinks he’s trying to take the nomination so he can then throw the election to Hillary. She honestly believes this shit. She hangs on any and all news of Trump supporting a democrat, etc.

      When she told me this I asked her if he and the Clintons planned this 35 years ago. She smiled and said maybe, he’s the ultimate manchurian candidate and he’s no republican.

  7. votermom says:

    Lyn & Helen, thanks for pointing out that my stickied amazon portal had disappeared. I re-stickied it.
    Gonna try to move it to the side instead.

  8. taw46 says:

    There are two more GOP debates scheduled. If I were Trump, I would not attend. Why allow Crubio to attack him from both sides for 2 hours, with the moderators thrown in? But from some of what I read, that show just pissed off people and makes them more determined to vote for him. They see what media and establishment are doing, they are open about it. He will probably go anyway, doesn’t seem to hurt him except with the GOPe. Gets him more votes.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I honestly think Trump is having a blast at these things and he’s already working the headlines into his rally speeches too, and having fun doing it.

  9. Myiq2xu says:

    Scott Adams:

    The FOX News debate moderators annihilated Donald Trump last night. They highlighted huge problems with his budget plan, showed inconsistencies in his policies, and hammered him for his Trump University “scam” as some would call it. It was Trump’s first bad debate night.

    And when I say FOX annihilated Trump, I mean they guaranteed a Trump landslide. People don’t like the establishment, in case you haven’t heard.

  10. DeniseVB says:

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  12. Dora says:

    .Surprise, surprise.

    Ted Cruz announces addition of former Jeb Bush finance team members

  13. Myiq2xu says:

  14. votermom says:

    One of the online Trump supporters this morning is disheartened by Trump’s debate. He’s worried that Trump will be squishy on immigration after all. So I dunno, maybe it did have an effect.

    • lyn says:

      The other day I mentioned to an acquaintance that I registered as a Rep to vote for Trump. He looked at me and said someone needs to be having babies (he meant illegal aliens). He also said that older white people are the hardest ones to change their attitudes. “Trump is a bigot” may be settling in.

      • Lulu says:

        That NYT editorial board leak was to make his supporters question Trump on immigration. It is a rat-fucking operation by the GOP elites. He talked to some other media type on the same day, was asked about what he said (they knew what he said to the NYT on background) and never mentioned it. Pure Karl Rove rat-fuck.

  15. Myiq2xu says:

    Here’s a story guaranteed to make working mothers with infants freak out:

    While she was at work and away from home, a California mother just happened to flip on the live feed into her baby’s nursery at exactly the right time. What she saw her babysitter doing in her infant’s room was the last thing she expected when she hired the beautiful “girl next door.”

    Although it’s just a few miles between her work and her home, it felt like light years away, as the unnamed mother frantically tried to get back to her house. She hired a seemingly charming young woman to care for her only child, not realizing the sickening secret the girl was hiding behind her infectious smile.

    Moriah Pulani Gonzales, 20, advertised her babysitting services on the popular website, where the infant’s mother found her and thought she would be the perfect fit. Proving that looks can be very deceiving, Gonzales turned out to be completely different from the person she presented herself as. A nagging feeling in the mother’s gut told her to check the live feed of a hidden “nanny cam” in her 13-month-old’s room, knowing that it was right around his naptime. That’s when she saw the horrific way Gonzales likes to put babies to sleep.

    The mother first saw the babysitter holding her crying child and pacing the nursery floor. Unable to soothe the boy, she places him into his crib and forces him to stop crying by smothering his face with her hands. To the mother’s horror, her baby’s cry went from very audible to “muffled,” as Gonzales practically suffocated the infant as he squirmed, then went limp. Once he was quiet, she released her grasp. He started crying again, and the babysitter walked out of the room and left him in his crib in distress, NBC Bay Area reported.

    Not being able to get to her home fast enough, the mother called the cops who got there to save the child and detain the babysitter. When interviewing Gonzales, she was consistently inconsistent in her story, claiming that she never put the baby down for a nap and denying that she harmed him. Unfortunately for this twisted babysitter, the hidden nursery surveillance system showed the truth.

  16. DeniseVB says:

  17. DeniseVB says:

    A little light reading to go with your lunch ….. the comments are hysterical (guys want to be able to be “free shitting” 😀 )

  18. lyn says:

    Oh, the horror! Obama has drone-killed terrorists’ families–even a 16-year-old American.
    “Members of the military who followed a would-be President Donald Trump’s order to kill terrorists’ families could face a Nuremberg-like war crimes trial, a former U.S. defense secretary tells CNN.”

    • DeniseVB says:

      What about the horrific torture and killings and rapings committed by terrorists? Especially of women and children. How would CNN stop that ?

  19. DandyTIger says:

    So far most of what I’m seeing from the GOPe and their puppets are arguments against capitalism, free enterprise, and democracy. Very interesting election.

    • AniEm says:

      Interesting observation. While Dems may have been embracing the communist within (Bernie), the Republican party has also been infiltrated and compromised and some of their base is blind to that. It’s all Animal Farm in both parties.

      • DeniseVB says:

        It’s almost as though we’re watching the two parties merge before our eyes.

        • AniEm says:

          Hmm. We’re being provided with the illusion of choice. R’s for the wealthy or middle class; D’s for the poor and working class. Something for everyone, Comrade! It’s just that the redistribution of wealth only flows in the direction of the people at the top.

          • DeniseVB says:

            Yep. Like the illusion of giving the House and Senate an R majority to stop Obama, and they seemed to double down on the stupid. The Donald Trump Must Be Destroyed Movement is coming more from the R’s than the D’s. I feel a disturbance in the force 😉

  20. DandyTIger says:

    Trump dropped out of CPAC

  21. DeniseVB says:

    A cool feature of the disqus comment system, you can tweet comments. From my favorite ranter over there, and why she supports DJT …. click the link, it should take you directly to her comment after a few seconds …….

  22. Anthony says:

    OT but really interesting…

    “O.J. Simpson: Knife Found Buried On Property, LAPD Says”

  23. helenk3 says:

    this might be a better way to change the things that we are angry about in today’s government

    • Myiq2xu says:

      Be careful what you wish for. They could rewrite any or all parts of the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights. The public would not get to vote on any changes – ratification would be done by state legs. I’m not sure how representatives from the states would be chosen.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Until Trumpman came along I was for the COS, now I’d like to let him work within the system, burn it down and rebuild. If he’s not the chosen one, I’ll probably jump back on the COS bandwagon.

      • 1539days says:

        If people don’t care enough to vote for their state legislators, they deserve what they get.

  24. Trump dropping CPAC is likely smart. It signals to every non-hard-Dem voter out there that he’s not beholden to the very small clique that has had the GOP in a death grip for years.

    Trump is now campaigning for the general election. Risky, as he’s not got the nom wrapped up yet, but that’s what he is doing, IMO.

  25. BTW, I think that nationalists vs. globalists is going to be the defining divide of politics in the future. More so than any other issue, left or right.

    I think a lot of rank and file lefties and righties are willing to cut that deal: ‘Give me borders and unabashed American self-interest, and I’ll trade you some social programs.”

  26. Myiq2xu says:

    I guess they don’t serve Subway sandwiches in the kiddie-raper cell block.

  27. Dora says:

    OMG! This man needs help. I’m glad Trump won’t be near him tomorrow.

    Glenn Beck: If I Got Close Enough To Trump, ‘The Stabbing Just Wouldn’t Stop’ [AUDIO]

    • Lulu says:

      Put his crazy ass in jail. Secret Service needs to haul him in front of judge to issue an involuntary mental evaluation for his lockup. Loon.

  28. Somebody says:

    Does anybody know which candidate is being backed by the super pac “Preserve The Dream” or “Keep the Dream” or “Save the Dream”…….it has dream in the name. I can’t find the stupid super pac, so I have no idea who they’re behind.

    They keep calling me, they are annoying the crap out of me. They called just now and spoke in Spanish. I think it’s Rubio’s because they ask who you’re voting for and it is press 1 for Marco, 2 for Donald and 3 for Ted.

    Seriously though when I answered they started rattling off in Spanish and then told me to press 2 for English, I’m totally not joking. My immediate thought was Yeb is that you buddy, are you still out there. The area I live in Florida is not very heavily populated with Hispanics so why lead with Spanish???

    • Myiq2xu says:

      A classic ratfuck would be to run ads in redneck areas of Marco Rubio speaking about immigration in Spanish. Everything in Spanish. No translations. When Rubio is speaking cut to shots of poor Hispanic neighborhoods and crowds of Hispanics waving Cuban flags and Rubio signs.

    • OldCoastie says:

      I think that is Karl Rove’s outfit. They are using the PAC to support Bernie. 🙄

    • DeniseVB says:

      Eric Bolling’s filling in for OReilly tonight and mentioned something about the PAC dedicated to taking Trump down and having that guy on. Just an FYI.

  29. That “no CPAC” decision of Trump’s is all of a sudden looking not so bad, huh?

  30. threewickets says:

    Trump is scaring the establishment, and I don’t mean just the party establishment. That’s how change happens…with the electoral equivalent of rioting. Not with a puppet in residence like Obama. I say let it burn a while…scare some people for real. So fed up with the arrogance.

    • threewickets says:

      Alternatively, we can keep playing old school monopoly in this very new and different global economy. Interesting thing about Trump is that he gets the new economy better than anyone else in either party running, even though he’s kind of crude in the way he explains it and also the way it becomes manifest in general policy positions. You don’t win elections by selling real (non partisan or political) economic theory. But he’s no fool, he knows how things work for sure.

  31. Myiq2xu says:

    Last night my g/niece Mercy (30 months) was saying her prayers and she asked God to help her stop farting. She told her mom “I have a lot of bad farts.”

    Her mom asked her if she wanted to say anything else to God. “No, just the farts.”

  32. driguana says:

    One America seems to be the only source of reliable information any more…

    • DeniseVB says:

      They seem to be covering all the R and D candidates’ rallies live too. They’ve even offered to host the debates for free. Hopefully their audience will build over this election season and get on more cable providers’ lineups. They’re a pretty good option to the chattering knobs on the other cable nets.

  33. This parody account of a conservative pundit is one of the funniest things on Twitter:

    • DeniseVB says:

      He’s a hoot, just followed. Earlier on his timeline:

  34. helenk3 says:

    i hope this works. I could not stop laughing

    we all have these days

  35. foxyladi14 says:

    The truth is marching on. 😀

  36. I try to be fair.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I saw Stu “correcting” all the blogs and media that were “reporting” it on twitter. Drudge headlined the story. Did anyone actual listen to the audio clip. I didn’t since I trusted DC, Drudge and Politico would have.

  37. Dora says:

    • Kudlow, huh? Fox Business channel has been very fair to Trump, as well. They critique him, but are getting the basis of his “American Interests” appeal.

  38. Newt has his faults, but never said the man wasn’t smart. He can see the writing on the wall:

  39. taw46 says:

    Twitter chatter that there is a bad story coming out on Trump, likely today. They will never give up, this is war.

  40. Tell me again how Trump can’t kick her ass:

  41. Dora says:

    This wouldn’t surprise me. In fact, I expect something like this to happen.

    WH plan to indict Hillary and nominate Biden – probably Biden/Warren ticket

    • Anthony says:

      Ive been saying that since we found out that Warren hadn’t endorsed anyone. I figured Biden/Warren or Sanders/Warren

      • dm says:

        I thought something was up for sure since they announced the immunity for the IT guy…I guessed Warren would be forced upon the Dems if they go ahead with an indictment or something against Clinton.

  42. Rubiobots are losing it. Now trying to tout Rubio as totes anti-establishment, being picked on by the big bad GOPe. Yes, they are that corrupt and desperate.

  43. Dora says:

    Great news Mr. Webb. Come join us on the Trump Train. 🙂

  44. Dora says:

    Wow! This is great. Especially after all the KKK talk!

    Charles Evers, brother of Medgar Evers endorses The Donald.

    FTA: ““I believe in him first of all because he’s a businessman,” the 93-year-old civil rights activist told The Clarion-Ledger Friday. “I think jobs are badly needed in Mississippi.”

  45. Myiq2xu says:

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