Yesterday at Buffoon Juice:
My twitter feed is still insane, which should surprise no one, but what is surprising is that this level of stupidity is happening in one of the most peaceful Democratic primaries I can remember. Now we’ve got Clinton campaign staffers claiming unless Bernie changes his “tone,” they won’t debate any more. That makes sense and is a surefire strategy for the general. Meanwhile, the Sanders campaign is public enemy number one for some pretty harmless spin about how Bernie can still win. That’s about it. Now granted, some people Hillary supporters have convinced themselves this is the ugliest campaign ever and that Bernie supporters are all diehard racist misogynistic BernieBro white privileged dudes, but that’s just nucking futs.
So, let’s compare what was going on in this day in 2008 to the tepid nonsense being ginned up today. How many of you remember the Clinton campaign attempt to blow up the DNC by demanding the Michigan and Florida delegates, which she won because she ran unopposed because they broke the DNC rules and both she and Obama agreed they should not count until she won because she ran unopposed. Y’all forget about that?
Sen. Clinton gave a pretty astonishing interview to the Washington Post in which she appears to say she will stay in the race till the convention in August, where she will take her fight to the credentials committee to have the delegates from the non-sanctioned Michigan and Florida primaries seated.
The convention of course starts on August 25th, roughly five months from now.
The key quote from the interview is this one: “I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong. I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started and until we see what happens in the next 10 contests and until we resolve Florida and Michigan. And if we don’t resolve it, we’ll resolve it at the convention — that’s what credentials committees are for.”
So she’s promising to remain in the race at least until June 3rd when the final contests are held in Montana and South Dakota and until Florida and Michigan are ‘resolved’. Now, that can have no other meaning than resolved on terms the Clinton campaign finds acceptable. It can’t mean anything else since, of course, at least officially, for the Democratic National Committee, it is resolved. The penalty was the resolution.
The Obama campaign has always been willing to ‘resolve’ the matter by splitting those states’ delegates down the middle. But of course that’s something the Clinton campaign can never accept since splitting them down the middle is the same as not counting them at all. It leaves both campaigns right where the started, i.e., with him ahead and her behind.
That leaves two real possibilities: seat the non-sanctioned January primary delegates or hold the primaries again, a revote.
So what Team Clinton was doing in 2008 makes whatever dribble Tad Devine has sliding out of his mouth at the moment look pretty innocuous.
I wrote this almost seven years ago:
As Booman immolates himself in conflagration of Kool-aid fueled stoopidity, one of the asinine assertions he has made is that Obama won the popular vote in last year’s primaries. As evidence for this claim he cites this page at RealClearPolitics showing at the very top that Obama received 17,535,458 votes (48.1%) and Hillary received 17,493,836 votes (48.0%)
The problem for Booman is that those numbers don’t include Michigan. If you count ALL the votes (as shown on the 3rd and 4th lines) then Obama received 17,535,458 votes (47.4%) and Hillary received 17,822,145 votes (48.1%) Even if you include estimates of the caucus votes Hillary still got 176,465 more votes than Obama (.5%)
I can hear Obamanation sputtering now:
“But she agreed the votes wouldn’t count! She signed a pledge! Da roolz!
First of all, Hillary never agreed that Michigan and Florida would be completely disenfranchised. The totality of her statements on this issue make it obvious that she expected a solution to be worked out. Secondly, the pledge she signed was an agreement that she would not campaign in MI/FL and she didn’t (but Obama did.) Lastly, fuck the rules.
Michigan and Florida held official primaries sanctioned by their state governments and paid for with tax payer money. Those state governments are the duly elected representatives of the people. The Rules and Bylaws Committee is an unelected body within the Democratic National Committee, which is itself unelected by the people.
To assert that democratic principles are less important than scheduling rules demonstrates the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of Obama supporters. Rules should reflect our values and principles, not trump them. Nor should our values and principles be cast aside in pursuit of some short term goal, especially if that goal is based on a cult of personality. And as for our lurking Obama supporters, please don’t whinge about “fairness” because Obama was not on the Michigan ballot. HE VOLUNTARILY TOOK HIMSELF OFF THE BALLOT.
It doesn’t matter what Hillary may or may not have agreed to. She doesn’t own our votes. Neither does the RBC nor the DNC. Obamanation will never understand us until they get it through their heads that we aren’t mad because Hillary lost the election, we are furious because Obama stole the nomination. It’s not about her, it’s about us. Those were our votes that were stolen.
In 2008 Hillary finished in a virtual tie with Obama in both the popular vote and in pledged delegates. If the votes and delegates from Florida and Michigan were included in the totals at full strength, Hillary would have finished with a slight lead in both votes and pledged delegates. Neither candidate could win without winning the majority of the super delegates.
But the narrative was that Obama was unbeatable. If Hillary finished in first and the super delegates had chosen Obama anyway, that would have looked like the Democrat establishment fixed the election.
That’s because they did fix the election. The Rules and Bylaws Committee ruled that both Florida and Michigan primaries would count, but they reduced Florida’s delegates by 50% and gave Obama all the uncommitted delegates in Michigan (where he wasn’t on the ballot) along with some of Hillary’s delegates.
Now the GOPe is trying to do something similar to Donald Trump.
I picked a bad year to quit drinking.