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Seriously. This isn’t news. It isn’t even satire. It’s crap.

The Beantown Goop:

The GOP must stop Trump

DONALD J. TRUMP’S VISION for the future of our nation is as deeply disturbing as it is profoundly un-American.

It is easy to find historical antecedents. The rise of demagogic strongmen is an all too common phenomenon on our small planet. And what marks each of those dark episodes is a failure to fathom where a leader’s vision leads, to carry rhetoric to its logical conclusion. The satirical front page of this section attempts to do just that, to envision what America looks like with Trump in the White House.

It is an exercise in taking a man at his word. And his vision of America promises to be as appalling in real life as it is in black and white on the page. It is a vision that demands an active and engaged opposition. It requires an opposition as focused on denying Trump the White House as the candidate is flippant and reckless about securing it.

After Wisconsin, the odds have shrunk that Trump will arrive in Cleveland with the requisite 1,237 delegates needed to win the nomination outright. Yet if he’s denied that nomination for falling short of the required delegates, Trump has warned, “You’d have riots. I think you’d have riots.” Indeed, who knows what Trump’s fervent backers are capable of if emboldened by the defeat of their strongman at the hands of the hated party elite.

But the rules are the rules — and if no candidate reaches that magic number, the job of choosing a nominee falls to those on the convention floor.

That’s not a pretty picture. But then nothing about the billionaire real estate developer’s quest for the nation’s highest office has been pretty. He winks and nods at political violence at his rallies. He says he wants to “open up” libel laws to punish critics in the news media and calls them “scum.” He promised to shut out an entire class of immigrants and visitors to the United States on the sole basis of their religion.

The toxic mix of violent intimidation, hostility to criticism, and explicit scapegoating of minorities shows a political movement is taking hold in America. If Trump were a politician running such a campaign in a foreign country right now, the US State Department would probably be condemning him.

Realizing that the party faces a double bind, a few conservatives have been clear-eyed enough to see the need for a plausible, honorable alternative that could emerge from the likely contested convention. Names like Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney have come up. If no candidate gets a majority on the convention’s first ballot, such a nomination might be theoretically possible.

This would have no modern precedent: Ordinarily, parties put aside their differences after primaries and rally to the front-runner because they share basic common goals and values. In any other election cycle, anti-Trump Republicans would just look like sore losers. But Trump lacks those common values — not just the values of Republicans but, it becomes clearer every day, those of Democrats.

House Speaker Ryan spoke to the possible long-term damage with which the party is flirting. “Leaders with different visions and ideas have come and gone; parties have risen and fallen; majorities and White Houses won and lost,” he said. “But the way we govern endures: through debate, not disorder.” The problem is that Trump has already crossed lines that a politician with a sincere commitment to democratic norms must never cross.

At some point, after the election, Republicans will also need to ask themselves some tough questions about how their actions and inactions made the party vulnerable to Trump. After all, a candidate spewing anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, authoritarian rhetoric didn’t come out of nowhere; the Tea Party has been strong enough long enough that someone like him shouldn’t be a surprise. Chasing short-term political gains, the GOP missed a lot of chances to fight the hateful currents that now threaten to overwhelm it.

For now, Republicans ought to focus on doing the right thing: putting up every legitimate roadblock to Trump that they can. Unexpectedly, a key moment in American democracy has snuck up on the GOP. When he denounced Trump, Romney said he wanted to be able to say he’d fought the good fight against a demagogue. That’s the test other Republicans may want to consider.

Action doesn’t mean political chicanery or subterfuge. It doesn’t mean settling for an equally extreme — and perhaps more dangerous — nominee in Ted Cruz. If the party can muster the courage to reject its first-place finisher, rejecting the runner-up should be even easier.

The Republican Party’s standard deserves to be hoisted by an honorable and decent man, like Romney or Ryan, elected on the convention floor. It is better to lose with principle than to accept a dangerous deal from a demagogue.

I don’t care what you think about Trump. Hate him all you want. But there is simply no precedent for what they envision. Show me a case where a democratically elected leader converted a stable long-standing, modern industrialized republic into a dictatorship.

I’ll wait.

Hitler rose to power out of the ruins of the Weimar Republic in Post World War I Germany. Unlike the United States, Germany did not have over two centuries of democratic traditions.

Hitler was the leader of an organized movement. He didn’t simply get elected, his National Socialist party won a bunch of parliamentary elections. There is no “Trump Party” with candidates poised to seize control of Congress.

Assuming that Trump wins next November, he will face an uphill battle getting his agenda enacted into law. His Cabinet will require Senate approval. Any new programs will require at least a majority in both houses of Congress. You can bet that anything that gets enacted will face numerous court challenges.

Face it – if Trump made building a wall along the Mexican border his number one priority he will be lucky if any significant work is completed during his first term.

I find it disturbing that so many people assume that the entire federal bureaucracy and military will immediately turn into good Nazis and follow whatever orders that Trump issues. If you believe that then you must support a smaller, weaker federal government.

The Powers That Be should make up their minds. One minute they are telling us that Trump cannot possibly win, and the next minute they are telling us to be afraid, be very afraid.

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179 Responses to WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!

  1. DeniseVB says:

    About the Globe cover, summed up in one tweet …. she’s right

  2. Lulu says:

    I think I have said this before. I don’t think we are going to be a country much longer. I think we will split up into regional confederations of states or something like that. Contempt, hatred, disrespect like evidenced in this type of stuff is not going to be tolerated much longer. It is going on in Europe. The level of derision aimed at what are supposed to be fellow citizens is headed for the “divorce” court of nations. No one has to take this kind of abuse.

    • blowme0bama says:

      I’ve come around to thinking this will be the as well. The cultural differences between metropolitan East & West coast vs everyone else are too great. It wouldn’t be a problem if all power & $ weren’t concentrated in those leftist enclaves, but they just can’t get beyond forcing their ideology on everyone else and they aren’t going to just live and let live.

    • Jane Dough says:

      I agree it’s time for secession, the problem is it’s no longer North v. South, or even coastal v. inland. It’s urban v. rural. 90% of the land is staunchly conservative, but 90% of the cities are staunchly Communist. How do we make that geographic split?

  3. DeniseVB says:

    But wait, there’s more …

    • Lulu says:

      CROOK Vincente Fox doesn’t want his cut of cartel drug money or remittances being affected. He is also the chosen mouthpiece since Mexico can’t go “too far” in case they wind up with Trump pissing down their throat. Vincente is a great pal of Shrub and the Bushes.

  4. votermom says:

    I hope the NYT and BG freak outs are good signs for Trump.

    • Lulu says:

      It is all designed to browbeat, humiliate, threaten, dehumanize Trump’s voters. The same stuff was done for Obama in 2008 so we have been to this rodeo before. It hasn’t been working and they have to step it up another notch. They are so stupid and panicked that they don’t understand at a certain point it doesn’t work anymore. That point was passed some time ago. Isn’t the Globe owned by the NYT corp which of course is owned by Mexican gangster Carlos Sim? I think I said yesterday that the NYT employees, and now the BG’s also, are just a Mexican gangster’s little bitches? They are not journalists but rather thugs for a Mexican gangster.

      • Mt.Laurel says:

        Yep. The NYT bought the Globe in the 1990’s and then when the Times organization was about to go belly up, Sims Mexico came riding to the rescue with his questionable gotten gains. I believe he upped his stake just last year. So yes, the employees are working for a foreign government, to put it politely.

  5. Dora says:

    So The Boston Globe wants to mess with us? THEY’RE MESSING WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE!


  6. DeniseVB says:

    Meanwhile, in Chip and Joanna Gaines news😉

    • Lulu says:

      Are they going to live there? Nice digs. I don’t see how they have time for the farm stuff with that many cutie pies AND be so very busy with work. Nice grounds too on that house for lots of play time.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I’m sure they have a lot of help in making Waco, TX great again😉 Finally caught the show explaining the Silos project. Whew. I’m late to their fan base, but so addicted and catching those mini-marathons is so much fun. Four babies while building their empire and helping people into their dream homes, even with help, I don’t know how they do all the juggling.

        I found this tour of their farmhouse, couldn’t believe the “before” photo…


        • Lulu says:

          I’m thinking that living in the boonies, four little ones, school district improvement (not that a little district isn’t fine but…), running back and forth to Waco, super busy at work for both of them, the retail store, a hit television show, etc makes sense for them to be IN Waco. That is what I would do anyway. And a huge yard for doggies, and chickens and lots of playing. I have great respect for them being such good guys and go-getters. My hubby tried to get me to live in the boonies many years ago with three kids and I said NO. I got a big yard instead which is fine and 10 minutes to the grocery store and an excellent school district. You have to be practical. They are not farmers.

          • Myiq2xu™ says:

            Once upon a time the boonies were safer than the cities. Now the opposite is true in many places.

          • Lulu says:

            Very true. There could be some meth lab RV’s driving up and down their road or parking in their cow pasture. Around here they catch on fire and keep on driving! They could also be on the “cartel routes” on farm to market roads throughout Texas where they mule drugs off major highways to avoid the state troopers. If the cartel monsters have car trouble they just steal another one and kill the owners out in the boonies. Thanks Obama!

          • Lulu says:

            I live about 130 miles east of Wacko which is practically next door. So I know all kinds of crazy shit about that area. Most of the people are super nice there.

          • DeniseVB says:

            To me, the boonies is living more than a mile away from a strip mall with food, drug and Kmart stores🙂

    • leslie says:

      You may already know this, but last night I found their show on Netflix. I was bored with tv and didn’t want to do my taxes, so I thought I’d run over to Netflix might be interesting. There are maybe 26 of their shows and since I’m new to the Chip and Joanna Gaines club, there are a few I haven’t seen before. Plus, there are no commercials!
      Good times once again. 😘💕

      • DeniseVB says:

        I don’t have Netflix, but that’s good to know. I know House Hunters has all their episodes on the HGTV website, but since I don’t actually ‘watch’ tv, always background noise in the mom cave while I perch on the bed with my laptop on a bed tray🙂 I wish I had Joanna Gaines’ motivation and energy….and talent !😀

    • swanspirit says:

      Gorgeous!!! I can’t see them giving up their wonderful farm, though.I guess we will see eventually.

    • Constance says:

      Love Chip and Joanna! I wish I could have Joanna choose paint colors for my house and then arrange my furniture.

  7. votermom says:

    Headline needs Photoshop

    Replace Trump with Bernie.
    95%Tax. Turn in All Deodorants.

    • Lulu says:

      Deodorants AND hair products. Most of them (all ages) look like they haven’t seen a comb, brush, or pair of scissors in decades. Or shampoo.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Isn’t Anthony our resident ‘shopper? That would be great !

    • Somebody says:

      Why not do one of POTUS Hillary. Maybe a photo shop of her in her orange pant suit. President Clinton pardons herself after indictment. Add some other stories about job losses thanks to TPP. How about a mass rape event like Cologne thanks to unvetted refugees. Oh how about X number of terrorist attacks in X days of her presidency doesn’t mean ISIS infiltrated the refugees. Last but not least definitely somewhere in the world she left Americans to die with the headline “President Clinton says at this point what difference does it make”.

  8. Dora says:

    • DandyTIger says:

      Ah yes, the far religious right bubble where people think Pat Robertson, er, Cruz, could win in a general. I understand when someone echo’s your beliefs, like Bernie does on the far left. But to think the extreme end can win is amazing.

  9. DeniseVB says:

    Good question.

  10. Dora says:

    Ah – the little man has a sense of humor.

    Priebus Says He Trusts Trump Won’t Violate Loyalty Pledge

    “I’ve never had a situation where he has told me something and he hasn’t done it,” the Republican National Committee chairman says.


    • DandyTIger says:

      Like it matters. What’s amazing to me is that there are GOP’ers that think if after a plurality of votes and delegates Trump doesn’t get the nomination, that any replacement could possibly win in the general. Seriously, can they be that delusional. It’s already going to be tough for Trump given the GOPe and never trump efforts, but without Trump and most of his voters, it ain’t going to happen. Of course as we know, the GOPe will be perfectly happy with Hilary. I assume the Cruz and never Trump people understand that.

      • Lulu says:

        My guess is that they don’t understand that every other Republican office holder will be at peril. They WANT people to stay home and not vote. What they will get is a “whipsaw” effect. Vote out every fucking Republican with a Dem. Then vote them out next go round with a new party after Republicans are extinct.

        • DandyTIger says:

          I think enough Trump supporters will just stay home for Hillary to win pretty easily. And that’s with a reasonable establishment candidate. I’m not sure it’s enough to turn around the congress. But there is some danger there. On the other hand, if they nominate Pat Robertson Cruz, I think it would be enough to flip congress. But I’m clearly biased against Pat.🙂

        • lyn says:

          Who can trust Republicans after what they are doing to Trump and his supporters? Republican voters don’t walk the political line as easily as their Democratic counterparts.

          • CiscoKid says:

            “Who can trust the Republicans after they are doing to Trump and his supporters “?
            Precisely lyn.

        • swanspirit says:

          I really like the idea of voting out every Republican. That might get their attention.

          • 49erDweet says:

            I’d save about 6. The rest? Kerflush!!!!

          • Anthony says:

            The problem is that our votes don’t matter. This is all about money and nothing to do with the will of the people. If anyone is thinking about a national effort to withhold taxes next April, I suggest draining your bank account beforehand. Otherwise, its frozen in limbo by the IRS. I’m about 2 steps away of acting on that…

          • leslie says:

            I woke up thinking about how I’d like to vote in the GE by writing in Trump’s name and then leaving everything else blank. Maybe that would be the way for me to go, at least where I live.

      • Constance says:

        Well I don’t think most of the Bernie folks will get off their butts and vote for Hillary. The Obamaites trashed Hillary hard in 2008 and a lot of Democrat idiots believed the Obot drivel and they still believe it. Of course I might be underestimating the motivational effect of threatening a bunch of lesbians and menopausal hetero women with loss of their abortion rights if they don’t vote Democrat. Really how do you argue with Dem logic like that?!

        • leslie says:

          “Really how do you argue with Dem logic like that?!”

          And how can you believe the miraculous transformation of the Clintons from “racist bigots” as Rep Clyburn said, to all inclusive leaders and lovers of “diversity” in only 8 years?
          Asking for a friend.

  11. votermom says:

    • taw46 says:

      My last living uncle (93yrs old and a WWII vet) never forgot this atrocity. We had someone from my very small hometown in this Death March.

      • Lulu says:

        My dad’s best friend from childhood was one of the survivors. He died in the 1960;s because his health was ruined by it all. I remember him. He was very nice and my dad kept trying to find jobs for him that he could do with his terrible health because he wanted to work like everyone else.

        • taw46 says:

          My uncle’s best friend survived the march and nearly three years in Japanese prison camps. “He was 1 of 1,800 P. O. W’s jammed into the old freighter Arisan Maru and shipped to Japan. On Oct. 24, 1944, the American submarine U.S.S. Snook torpedoed the freighter.” It was not marked with Red Cross. All but 10 prisoners died — including his friend.

        • taw46 says:

          Your Dad was a wonderful person and true friend.

  12. leslie says:

    This morning on the local teevee news that precedes “Sunday Morning” they excoriated the BG and its front page. I’ve never heard them editorialize anything before; I watch that news show every week. Call me surprised.

  13. taw46 says:

    • Lulu says:

      Install? INSTALL! No fucking NO. We have goddamned elections. And no one is going to get installed as any fucking thing. Even Eisenhower the great heros had to run and get votes. Some military dictator picked out by fucking asshole Congress? Kiss my ass. NO!

      • lyn says:

        This year we voters learned what the ruling class really thinks of us. It’s time to throw them all out.

      • taw46 says:

        FFS, a military coup? If they can discuss that with a straight face, we are truly lost as a country.

      • Dora says:

        I take this to mean that Jeb and the other Bushes would rather have a military coup than to let DJT win the WH. Yikes! Tough days are coming.

      • CiscoKid says:

        Trying that will result in the 2nd shot heard ’round the world.
        Freedom, 55 grains at a time.

        • 49erDweet says:

          There’s buckets of money ready to turn into exploding noise all around the nation. And folk ready to help. The GOPe may be on a deathwatch, and too Stoopid to know it.

    • Somebody says:

      Man that wreaks of a military coup. The neocons will do anything to hang onto power. The floating of this rumor and the belief that Congress would easily seat someone that only won a couple of states is far scarier than the Cruz morons and their delegate shenanigans. Notice the prime cheerleader is a Bushie. The GOP needs to be cleansed of Bushies and neocons post haste.

  14. Dora says:

  15. AFVet says:

    Trump montage.
    Telling it like it is.

  16. Dora says:

    • AFVet says:

      Bikers like him too.
      And now the truckers ?
      Katy bar the door !

      • Lulu says:

        It is starting to look like a French strike! We need a rail strike, a transportation strike, and some tractors on the highways! Throw in the airlines and airports so those fuckers can’t leave Cleveland.

    • swanspirit says:

      The people, evidently ,are more resourceful than the idiots in charge could anticipate.

      • CiscoKid says:

        The idiots in charge have forgotten the military maxim, never underestimate your enemy.
        I’m not the enemy by choice, its their call.

    • Venus says:

      Notice that Trump owns the narrative:
      1. Trump is the nominee
      2. The GOPe steals the nomination from Trump.
      From the moment he announced he was running, Trump has been playing “our betters” in DC and the MSM like fiddles.

  17. mothy67 says:

    Perhaps its time to take a page from the left and boycott all the BG advertisers.

  18. mothy67 says:

    I bought a box of “Delicious” red wine for 15 dollars. 5L. I am devastated by Game of Thrones. Need to watch the last few episodes again. Sober that not gonna happen. I hate the show but I am mesmerized by it.

  19. Dora says:

  20. Somebody says:

    I just had an odd experience. I was at Target with my husband here in small town FL, USA. It’s also a beach resort community and a snowbird haven so we do get our influxes of people from other parts of the country and indeed the world.

    Soooooo there we are shopping and minding our own business when a young woman comes into the area of the store where we are. This young probably mid 20’s woman is pregnant and she’s walking around the store with ear buds in talking extremely loudly on her cell phone. Honestly she was yelling into her cell phone which for some reason she was holding down near her stomach. She was yelling so loudly if you were in the quadrant of the store where she was even a department or two away you could clearly hear her.

    What was she yelling into her cell phone about? Politics, yep she was screaming and yelling about politics. She was trying to convince some unknown person on the other end how evil republicans are, most especially Donald Trump. She was shouting at the top of her lungs that Trump wants to do away with the minimum wage because he and his rich buddies are tired of paying workers a decent salary. She opined that if he were to be elected we’d all be lucky to get $3 a day. She also went on a rant about how Trump is anti-immigrant and wants to kick all immigrants out of the country, then she said it’s weird because his wife is an immigrant so she assumes he’ll make an exception for beautiful models like his wife.

    It went on from there, I’m sure you all get the picture. She was shouting ridiculous insane things. She also ranted about Ted Cruz and for some reason Marco Rubio, you all know I don’t like either of them but she lied and said ridiculous things about them. The more she went on the angrier I got, finally I couldn’t hold my tongue……so then I began talking loudly about how stupid and uninformed she is. My husband began pulling me away from the area where we were toward the registers, LOL! In my defense when I began to say things people would look at me and smile or motion toward her and roll their eyes. One man motioned toward her and then did the spinning finger motion indicating she was crazy.

    I never got a chance to full on confront her and I didn’t really want to confront a pregnant woman, but damn is this some kind of new tactic?? She didn’t buy anything she was just walking around yelling into her cell phone and I honestly doubt there was anyone on the other end. It was like she was looking for a fight.

    I’m serious is this a new tactic of the left?? A way to spread lies and propaganda? A way to invite confrontation? Or was she just a deeply disturbed woman, perhaps hormonal thanks to pregnancy? The really weird thing is we’ve already voted here in Florida, so I can only presume she’s a tourist and is talking to someone in a state with upcoming elections??? Oh and in case you didn’t guess she was a Bernie supporter…….I know you’re all shocked by that. I wanted to take her on with regard to the pie in the sky, rainbow and unicorn world she believes Bernie will deliver more than I wanted to dispel her of her beliefs about republicans.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I don’t think there are true parties anymore, the fringe left and fringe right and I think the rest of us are floating around in the middle of all the nonsense being spewed. Glad you ignored her🙂

    • wailuagirl says:

      Thank you for one more reason to shop on Amazon.

  21. Myiq2xu™ says:

    On Tuesday we will be told that winning in NY doesn’t really matter.

    • DandyTIger says:

      You can’t fix stupid. Also, wonder what the white people behind her think.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      Even though the protesters claimed to be boycotting a rise in tuition, they spent most of their time arguing for stricter gun control, and leveraging allegations of racism at the administration.

      “So those flowers are probably for me when I die on this campus, if possible, because I am black and Muslim and this school is pretty much 70 percent white, and I will be targeted. With that said, we need this campus disarmed,” one student said as she pointed at a bouquet of flowers that was presented to the board by student Bakari Hill.

      “If and when I become another statistic,” Hill said of police shootings, “put flowers on my grave.”

      One transgender student claimed she felt unsafe at PSU knowing that “men with guns” are free to roam about campus.

      “I’m a transwoman of color and for me to just walk across campus, like, that’s, I mean—I see you [points to a police officer standing in the room] and I think that’s great, like, that you’re, you know, um, like, you’re here, but, like, you know, like, what you represent to people like me is that, like, is violence, the threat of violence, and I hope you know that, and just, like, basically, I do not feel safe here. I’m pretty sure all of you do not feel safe here with, like, men with guns here, and mind you, Oregon was founded on white supremacist capitalist ideology,” she said to a round of applause from her fellow protesters.

      [RELATED: Portland State Univ. students protest armed campus police]

      She then went on to accuse her peers who support Donald Trump of white supremacy as she criticized the board for not responding appropriately to instances of Trumpism.

      [RELATED: Portland State course aims to ‘make whiteness strange’]

      “Those messages of white supremacist are still going on right now. If you go out this room right now you will see a sign that supports Trump—that same ideology, and for a student like myself and other brown students walking around campus seeing that, how do you think we feel?” she asked. “And we have told the board of cowards over and over again and what are they doing? Looking down at their fucking papers not even paying attention to us because they don’t care. To them, we are just their slaves.”

      Another former student encouraged her compatriots to refrain from casting a vote in November’s presidential ballot lest they be participants in a “corrupt capitalist system.”

      “I’m sorry but do not give a vote. Women died to get the vote. If women that died to get the vote could see what the system was now … they’d say: ‘oh, hell no! This is a corrupt capitalist system.’ Don’t feel the Bern, don’t fall for Hillary’s BS, and you know what the rest of its got going on so I’m not even going to go there,” she said, even though presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has built his campaign on an appeal to college-aged students with promises to support free tuition and $15 minimum wage laws.

      PSU president Wim Wiewel said the board has tried to sit down with student activists but all invitations have been rejected.

      “It’s really galling to hear the accusations that, ‘you’re not willing to listen to us,’ when in fact all invitations to sit with us have been turned down,” he said.

      Protesters have shut down board meetings at least twice before. This time, however, they were accompanied by the local Black Lives Matter chapter and “$15 Now.”

      In addition to demanding a cap on tuition, a $15 minimum wage, and the disarmament of campus police, activists called for a cut in administrators’ paychecks in order to freeze tuition hikes.

      However, assuming PSU’s top administrators completely forfeited their annual salaries, the school would still be about $1.5 million short of the $6 million needed for next year’s budget. Among PSU’s highest paid administrators is Jilma Meneses, chief diversity officer, who allegedly makes $193,500 a year.


  22. Dora says:

  23. Myiq2xu™ says:

  24. foxyladi14 says:

    • jennifer lyn says:

      I am proud to listen to Trump. I am also scared. I am scared they are going to take this one away from us. I don’t think I can bear it. The Republicans-cum-Democrats-cum-Media-cum-Evil Ones have so much power and the idiots appear to be outnumbering us. I would work for free for him if I could. He says the truth. Miracle. I would bet my life that he is 100% the real deal and that is a precious thing. As an aside, in about 5 years it will be dangerous to be white in America.

  25. foxyladi14 says:

    CNN too. 🙂

  26. DeniseVB says:

    I bet he could …😀

  27. mothy67 says:

    Two pints of “delicious” red wine and I made another donation to Trump

  28. Dora says:

  29. mothy67 says:

    I am donating to Paul Ryan’s opponent. Tear that pupprt down.

  30. Myiq2xu™ says:

    This is part of why I still go by TC and read RD’s stuff:

    I had an unfortunate disagreement on Twitter with Lance Mannion last night. I’m sure it will pass. Go visit his blog at Lance Mannion. Lance is a loyal Democrat. He was a Clinton supporter in 2008 but swtiched to Obama for the General. But he is also characteristic of a party guy who either didn’t pay attention to the primaries/convention or is in serious denial.

    Does anyone really think I enjoy bringing this up again? I know what you’re all thinking. Why can’t she just let it gooooooo?

    It’s because voters are reacting to the reality that they don’t really have much say in the matter of who gets the nomination in spite of their donations and primary votes. Think of the millions and billions of dollars that will have been spent before the nominations. Think of all the states that are spending taxpayer dollars on primaries that can be nullified by the sweep of a superdelegate’s carefully manicured hand.
    We have been there.

    I still can’t believe that there are party people out there who swallowed the story that Obama was just much farther ahead than Clinton and that’s why he won. Seriously?? I thought everyone knew what went on at the convention and had just conspired with each other to tell lies about it.

    Ok, here’s the ultimate question for those people who will not admit that there was something gravely wrong with the Democratic primary season of 2008.

    Let’s assume that Hillary was Ok with Obama having the nomination in the end, what was the harm of having a legitimate first ballot roll call vote including all of the states BEFORE she called for acclamation?
    This question seems like a no-brainer to me, which makes me think that the people who are singing “la-la-la, I can’t HEAR you!” have not been using their brains.

    Oh, but they will say it’s just hardball politics. Lighten up, get over it.

    Except to those of us who watched it, it looked like political rape of a woman who stubbornly refused to gracefully step aside like they expected her to.

    The danger in not taking voters seriously is that it will come back to bite you in the end. Hillary will probably win the nomination this year and as far as we can tell, there hasn’t been anything irregular about the primary season. But the people who supported Obama in 2008 and were burned by him because, Surprise! Surprise! he was NOT the Liberal Messiah they were looking for, and who are now supporting Sanders, seem to think that it is Ok to do in 2016 what they did eight years ago. They are so determined to throw a fit to get what they want that they will use right wing smear tactics and delegitimize Hillary voters again. I’m not talking about all Sanders supporters who were very put off about the Never Ever comment (see above) or who want a more European style social democracy. I’m talking about the hard core Clinton haters who for some reason forget that there have been 16 year since the Clintons were in office. Their insistence that everything bad that has happened to America has had nothing to do with 8 tragic years of George Bush followed by 8 feckless years of Barack Obama is fantastic. As in, it’s a fantasy.

    But getting back to the illegitimacy of the Hillary voter, let’s go back to Anglachel, one of the best bloggers of the 2008 primary season. In this post, she lays out the 2008 season and forecasts 2016. Just substitute Sanders for Obama in the following:

    All around Left Blogistan, Obamacans are reveling in the seeming victory of the RBC ruling and are disdainfully telling Hillary and her supporters that they need to fall in line, get with the program, and otherwise show that we’re worthy of being part of Whole Foods Nation. Ezra Klein pompously warns Hillary: “[There is an] authentic, deep anger among Clinton supporters. And that’s not a problem the Rules Committee can resolve. This one is up to Clinton herself.”

    Erm, no.

    The way in which a candidate or faction handles a victory tells us important things about how they will govern. At present, the parallels between Obama’s claim of a nomination victory and George W. Bush’s claim of victory in Florida are shocking. The onus for unifying the country was placed on Gore and specifically for Gore to capitulate before a full and final vote count was performed. Gore’s behavior was held up to ridicule and criticism for having the audacity to defend his win against a background of corruption and intimidation. No one so much as hinted that the legitimacy of Bush’s win was contingent upon his behavior in victory. He acted as though he had won by a landslide with an enormous popular mandate, instead of by suppressing votes in Florida.
    The deep problem of Obama’s campaign is that he and his supporters do not want to face the political reality of their own conflicting desires. They both want to sweep to victory in November and they want to purge the party of anything connected to the Clintons, which includes all of the voting constituencies represented by that amazing and talented duo. The failure of the Unity Pony stems directly from that fantasy of majority status without majority support and the political work and compromises that go with cultivating that support. Thus, their model for unity is unanimity through elimination, purging the ranks of the unclean and unbelievers.

    They will not acknowledge that Hillary is a legitimate political actor and reduce her to an inhuman monster and enemy. They will not acknowledge that her supporters have sound, rational reasons for our support, and reduce us to mindless fools and spoils of war. They shift blame for their own choices and actions onto us and expect that we will cater to their whims.

    Voters’ loyalties are not fungible just because a party makes a unilateral decision. It’s unlikely that Hillary can persuade the hardcore Sanders supporter to her column this year. They seem determined to kill her politically just like they did in 2008. But in this case, they are rebels without a cause. The vote is clean and unless they want to claim that Wyoming and the other caucus states are more important than the big states that are still remaining, an argument that defied all logic but still won the day in 2008, it looks like voters’ preferences are clear this year. They want Hillary. That’s what pledged delegate counts mean and this year there are no demotions to half strength or helpful reapportionments to make one candidate look like they have a lead which they do not have, to the detriment of the candidate who actually won the delegates. In other words, this is a legitimate, by the book, primary season. Sanders people can sit it out in November or only vote down ticket, but the second attempt at delegitimizing Hillary’s voters by these same guys is beyond infuriating.

    It’s time to stop dehumanizing Hillary Clinton. It’s unjust, hyperbolic and damaging to women in general. And the longer Bernie Bots go on behaving this way, the less likely Sanders will make any inroads with Clintonistas. You have to wonder why a guy who sincerely seems to want to be president would be so careless as to antagonize his opponents’ supporters, acting like they don’t matter and that all he needs to do is buy or harass some superdelegates and everyone will fall into line.

    Well, it worked so well eight years ago and who benefitted from that? College students with massive debt? Homeowners who lost equity? People in middle age who lost their careers and were unemployed for years? Contractors forced to by exchange policies? Black people gunned down in the street?

    Seriously, who benefitted? I’d like to know. I mean, other than bankers who didn’t need to go to jail for wrecking our lives and arrogant libertarian silicon valley types who would like to make us all independent contractors. And Republicans. Can’t forget them. Other than that, who benefitted?

    Who knows what lies ahead? Maybe things will turn out all right in the end. But this year should make both parties nervous. The days of taking voters for granted, paternalistically directing them towards one person regardless of voter preferences, may finally be coming to an end.

    The reason I posted this is because there are so many comparisons to this year and 2008, except this time it’s the GOP that is trying to destroy itself. Yes, the Democrats won in 2008, but where are they now? They lost both houses of Congress and made people forget how bad Bush was. It is only due to the ineptness and incompetence of the GOPe and their insane hatred of Donald Trump that Hillary has any hope of winning next November.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      I used to really admire Riverdaughter, even when I disagreed with her. Then she seemed to lose her mind about the same time she lost her job.

      • votermom says:

        Maybe she left her brain in the office fridge, with her lunch.
        It happens.

      • SHV says:

        “Then she seemed to lose her mind about the same time she lost her job.”
        IMO, the pathology was always there (too many strange comments about her daughter and job over the years), then the wheels came off.

      • mothy67 says:

        When she’s not preaching I find her writing style interesting.

      • threewickets says:

        She’s a smart legit lefty who’s a loyal Hillary supporter. Not many of those folks around anymore. Not in activism anyway. Reclusive leftist was another.

        • Myiq2xu™ says:

          For a lot of us former Hillary supporters the past eight years have been like having Jerry Springer tell you your wife is really a man.

          • threewickets says:

            As a campaigner, I think she was more of a populist in 2008 than she’s been this year. Although she has stepped away from Wall Street somewhat…would be crazy for anyone running not to. But this election cycle has been unusual for many other reasons obviously. I’m glad more real populist voices are getting heard finally from all sides, beyond the bullshit Occupy theatre choreographed by Obama’s crew. The people deserve to win this election imo, not the media, not the political class, not the professional activists.

          • threewickets says:

            And if Hillary thinks she’s going to cruise to victory on Al Sharpton’s and Mike Bloomberg’s BLM and LGBT activism flotillas as per the last couple cycles, she is mistaken. Anyone misreading today’s electorate that much deserves to lose.

    • DandyTIger says:

      arrogant libertarian silicon valley types who would like to make us all independent contractors.

      Hey, is she talking about me? She’s got a lot of writing talent in there somewhere. Now if she can just get that slippery bologna back on the sammich. Then back up and see the big picture, and see the uniparty establishment that loves nothing more than people thinking there are two different parties. The establishment has decided it’s Hillary. She should be happy.

      • Myiq2xu™ says:

        What is funny is she see the truth about the Democrats, then erases it all by saying “THE REPUBLICANS ARE WORSE!™”

        Uh, Kim? Did you ever consider that the reason that you think the Republicans are worse is because the Democrats (who you know you can’t trust) told you that the Republicans are worse? That, and the fact that you have some longstanding (as in childhood) issues with your family that have become inextricably intertwined with your views on politics and religion?

      • threewickets says:

        To the extent that the wealth elite in Silicon Valley and Wall Street have a truly committed politics (not just a postured one), it is Ayn Randian all the way.

  31. taw46 says:

    He admits he was wrong, a little too late.

    “The former head of Britain’s Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), Trevor Phillips, has admitted he “got almost everything wrong” on Muslim immigration in a damning new report on integration, segregation, and how the followers of Islam are creating “nations within nations” in the West.”


  32. taw46 says:

    “Organizers planning an anti-Donald Trump protest in New York City next week expect thousands of people to show up when the GOP presidential frontrunner speaks at the New York State GOP Gala on Trump’s home turf of Manhattan, Breitbart News has learned.

    The protesters have set up a Facebook Event page “Protest Donald Trump at the NY State Republican Gala.” According to the page, organizers anticipate thousands will attend the protest of Donald Trump’s appearance at the Republican Gala at the Grand Hyatt in New York City on April 14th. Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97%
    are also attending.”


    • mothy67 says:

      I wonder how many of these tools have any clue what Trump is saying. He never said ban all muslims. Go to facebook. The distortions are mind numbing.

      • taw46 says:

        They have no clue, cannot tell you why they are protesting him. Just repeat their go to words. Racist, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, misogynist, hater.

      • taw46 says:

        Someone from FOX went out to the Bethpage rally to talk with protestors. He said they just repeat the same words, but don’t know what they’re talking about. If you ask them how is he racist, can’t give one single example.

    • Anthony says:

      I may have to cancel all of my East Side appointments that day unless I can scratch up some bail money….

  33. Myiq2xu™ says:

  34. mothy67 says:

    Springsteen canceled a NC show because of the bathroom law. Slate calls it an anti-LGBTQ law. Well how about no. I have no problem with unisex bathrooms for ADULTS. Sorry not at Wendy’s.

    • mothy67 says:

      What’s funny about all this is that its such a rare thing. My kid will likely never share a bathroom with a trans person. Would not be a big deal. When we are downtown I stand by the door anyhow. I read all these posts on facebook about predators. I have a degree in clinical psychology from the university of Law & Order SVU. Seems predators know what they are doing. Seems most victims know their attacker. It’s not a stranger. Thats what Mariska Hargitay taught me. That being said if it were up to me I’d side with NC. To me it just seems overblown

  35. lyn says:

    April 10, 2016 — The Trump campaign, after suffering a loss in Wisconsin, moves to the next contest April 19 in New York. Polls there indicate Donald Trump may benefit from home state status. Full Measure met up with him last week in Milwaukee.


  36. Venus says:

    Amazing Trump story:

  37. Dora says:

    Take a look at this ad and see what kind of campaign Lyin’ Ted is running. Disgraceful!

    Ted Cruz’s Lawyer Behind “Trump Is Hitler” Attack Ad (VIDEO)

    It is to date, one of the more shocking political ads this election cycle which has an anti-Trump Super PAC likening Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler.

    It’s been revealed that the man behind this ad is actually Ted Cruz’s attorney.


    • Somebody says:

      I’m really sick and tired of the sleaziness from team Cruz. I used to like and respect him, but I have absolutely no use for him now. His scorched earth campaign tactics I assume will come back to bite him in the ass soon enough. Hopefully the good people of Texas will see him for what he is and not re-elect him to the senate.

      I’m sure he’ll feign ignorance……oh it’s a super pac, I don’t know anything about what those super pacs do, I’m so fucking innocent. However, just like the Melania ad he won’t denounce it, he won’t demand the super pac cease and desist. Why, because he knows full well what is going on and he approves.

      • Dora says:

        A while back, in response to a reporter’s question, Donald Trump replied “I used to like Ted Cruz – until I got to know him”. I guess that’s how a lot of us feel.

      • leslie says:

        Feigning ignorance? We currently have a POTUS who never knows anything until he reads about it in the papers — just like the rest of us. So I guess Cruz would be the perfect follow-up.

        Dora, I agree with Trump all the way in this.

  38. Dora says:

  39. DandyTIger says:

    FB has invented Siblings Day. Which of course brings to mind the Lannisters.🙂

  40. DandyTIger says:

    Ha, Cruz numbers are actually dropping in NY. Of course somehow he’ll get all the delegates. Speaking of, I’m seeing lots of people, even some pro Cruz, kind of pissed at Colorado where voters need not apply. CO looking especially pathetic and sleazy. Yeah, it’s the rulz… whatever.

  41. DeniseVB says:

    Isn’t this one of myiq’s crushes? Looks like she’ll be playing a Klown Sister😉

  42. votermom says:

    New open thread up

  43. Propertius says:

    But there is simply no precedent for what they envision. Show me a case where a democratically elected leader converted a stable long-standing, modern industrialized republic into a dictatorship.

    Really, really good point.

    Trump doesn’t scare me – even if I thought he were serious (and I don’t) I don’t think his rhetoric would stand a chance against James Madison’s.

    Of course, depending on your definitions of “stable”, “long-lasting”, “modern”, and “industrialized”, you might very well have shrunk your sample size down to exactly 1. Weimar Germany, as you point out, obviously doesn’t count – Germany had been an absolute monarchy for most of its short existence and democratic government was a new and fragile innovation which was easily destroyed by the NSDAP. Germany just didn’t have the institutional support for democracy. Now, think about what we view as “democratic” Western Europe: Britain (constitutional monarchy), the Netherlands (ditto), Belgium (ditto), Denmark (ditto), Sweden (ditto), Norway (ditto), Belgium (ditto), Spain (ditto, but a fascist dictatorship until 1975), Luxembourg (ditto – although it’s a duchy), Austria (absolute monarchy until 1918, only a republic until the Anschluss) France ( a republic, but hardly stable – it’s the *fifth* republic after all), Italy (only a republic since 1946 and not exactly stable, previously a fascist dictatorship, a constitutional monarchy before that, and a bunch of warring states before that).

    If you’re looking for modern stable republics, I think the United States is it.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      It works both ways – stable democracies don’t spring up out of dictatorships either.

      • Propertius says:

        Exactly – I think one of the primary reasons for the Weimar collapse was the simple fact that Germans had no experience with democratic institutions (rather like modern Iraqis or Afghans). They were used to living under authoritarian rule (as were the Russians – which is why the Russian Republic of 1917 collapsed after a mere 8 months). Moving from an absolute monarchy to a republic is a great conceptual leap. Moving from an absolute monarchy to an absolute dictatorship is not (you’re basically just substituting a despot in a uniform for a despot in a silly hat).

        When Franklin described the new government of the United States as “a republic – if you can keep it” he was serious. The Founding Fathers were in completely uncharted territory. A republic the size of the 13 original states hadn’t existed since the First Century BCE, and it (Rome) succumbed to a series of dictatorships in short order once it got to that size (Sulla, the First Triumvirate, Caesar, the Second Triumvirate, then Augustus and his successors). It was really more of an oligarchy anyway. They had no reason to believe that the new republic would survive – it’s a tribute to Madison’s sheer brilliance that it did (and Washington’s humility, as well, he could have made himself a king with very little trouble).

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