Why #NeverTrump is NOT #Puma


Last night there was a lot of talk on Twitter from #NeverTrumpers vowing they would withhold their support and their vote for Trump and anyone who signed on with him. A few of our old Puma friend expressed sympathies. I get it. I was down with that struggle as much as anyone who participated. But these two movements are not the same for one central reason.

Puma rose up in direct defiance to the Rules & Bylaws Committee meeting, which met on May 31, 2008. In this meeting, held behind closed doors, they changed rules and realigned several pledged delegates from Clinton to Obama.  They stone cold stole delegates in a legitimately fought primary as cover so a bunch of super-delegates could then switch sides. This was a matter of electoral theft.

#NeverTrump just lost. They lost fair and square. They may not like Trump, but  there was no backroom deal that crowned him king. Trump won fair and square.

Now, in the principles of Puma Politics. #NeverTrumpers own their votes and they can do what they want with them. I suspect most will fall in line. But it’s important to note that the only way that they are like PUMA is this: They are not needed to win. They may want to think about what that means.

#MAGA, bitches. This is an open thread.

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231 Responses to Why #NeverTrump is NOT #Puma

  1. Go bomb this guy’s poll….

  2. Venus says:

    #NeverTrumps are a mix of insanity and delusions of grandeur. Ex. A:

  3. Venus says:

    Speaking of #NeverTrump the Twitter account “Conservative Pundit” @DemsRRealRacists has been skewering them quite successfully for a while now (best account on Twitter this election cycle, IMO). Daily Caller has an interview with the guy behind the account that is a fun read:


    • taw46 says:

      Thanks for finding that, a great read. I follow his Twitter account and after reading this article about him, I like him even more.

  4. Venus says:

    #NeverTrumps — such as Gutfeld on The Five, are now saying that they don’t want Hillary either, but to get that you have to nominate “someone who can beat her.” Excuse me, douchecanoe — Trump beat ALL 16 people against him for the nomination. If none of them could beat Trump, and Trump can’t beat Hillary, then none of the 16 could beat Hillary either.

  5. CiscoKid says:

    #nevertrumpters are invited by Glen Beck to join him in imbibing a few Jim Jones cocktails.
    Line forms to the left.

  6. taw46 says:

    You are so right, Lola. Bravo to you!

  7. Venus says:

    I❤ Milo:

  8. WMCB says:

    Oh Good Holy Moses, the drama over the raping of their tender PRINCIPLES is just insaaaaane. #NeverTrump needs to change that hashtag to #AlwaysSeppuku

  9. smile says:

    Is this place now against anyone who will not vote for Trump? Against all your past friends who used to post here who cannot get themselves to vote for Trump? Against all the quiet lurkers who have visited here for years and found solace here as a place of sanity but are not on board with Trump? Does it matter whether NeverTrumpers are the same as PUMAs or not? Yet the same retort is levied against those who choose not to vote for Trump – that their vote is not needed for your candidate to win.

    I am saddened to see this happen here. I will try to stop visiting here in the future. I have become used to coming here daily so it will take some time to un-learn coming here. I will be leaving with love and good wishes to you all. I really enjoyed getting to know you these many years. Take care!

    • lyn says:

      I feel the same way about some blogs that are anti-Trump and anti-Trump supporters. I have no problem with people attacking the candidates; when they attack supporters and call them stupid, then I won’t waste my time there.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      NeverTrumpers are somewhat different from people who cannot get themselves to vote for Trump. They are anti-democratic entitled elites who are pitching a fit because they lost an election fair and square.

      This blog is still a safe place where people can agreeably disagree.

      • lyn says:

        What he said.

      • smile says:

        Thanks for your reply, myiq. I didn’t know that there was a difference between the two “no Trump” camps. I am fine that Trump won the primary, it is what the people have voted, right? But I cannot and will not vote for him.

        I guess I misunderstood the term “NeverTrumper”. Thanks for still keeping this a safe place. And I will continue to visit here on that account.

        • Myiq2xu™ says:

          Not everybody who voted for Obama is an Obot. But Obots and NeverTrumpers have a lot in common. They are both deranged.

          • threewickets says:

            Bernbots too. Spoiled college kids or chattering-class elitists in bicoastal enclaves…either party. Trump needs only one strategy. Run for jobs and against cultural elitism. He might actually win.

        • taw46 says:

          My sister will not vote for Trump (she is still a Hillary supporter). But she does like him and has started to understand why so many people are voting for him. She despises the GOP elites who have openly stated they want to take the nomination from him, even if he is ahead, especially if he reaches the 1237 number. She believes in one person, one vote, and she doesn’t like groups dismissing the voters. On that we agree.

    • votermom says:

      Smile, if you were for Cruz, I sympathize. I actually still like Cruz and I give him props for being the last man standing against the Trump wave.
      I don’t like the #NeverTrump thing though.

      • smile says:

        Vmom, I wasn’t for Cruz either actually, but could have voted for him. I am an Independent like most of you here, so I have no party allegiance, which I love. I really wasn’t for anyone in particular actually, just mostly observing. Though none in the field motivated me to root for them, somehow the only person I have a strong reaction against is Trump.

        • Lulu says:

          I can relate. I started out that way thinking he is a complete asshole. But he made me laugh. And the border and illegal immigration which is very important to me because I live in Texas and we are overrun and the illegals are extremely expensive both in money and terrible social problems they cause. Now I think he is obnoxious but at heart a good guy if annoying. And he still makes me laugh. You don’t have to defend yourself to me because I get it. My husband liked him from the start but I didn’t.

          • leslie says:

            What Lulu said. Trump remains a good-hearted guy (with the possible exception of the “Cruz’s father killed JFK” thing) who can connect with people on a real level, unlike the politicians who think only in terms of getting votes and are beholden to the lobbies that finance them. I think TCH is a safe place.

          • Lulu says:

            The Cruz father and Lee Harvey Oswald thing is not about killing JFK. It is about was he was a communist infiltrator from Cuba. I looked it up because it was so bizarre. But Cruz the father was a weirdo and into all kinds of cons and crap long ago and still is to some extent. And he was in New Orleans and Texas on the seedy side when Oswald was then hightailed it to Canada for a while. This is what sent Cruz over the edge and then he decides to drop out. It is another example of Trump knowing exactly what button to push to get someone’s goat.

          • lyn says:

            Great comment, Lulu.

        • votermom says:

          His personality can be off-putting but what brings me to his side is the way the people I have always disliked react to him. It started when Macy’s tried to punish him because the media didn’t like him talking about Mexicans. The more the media and the Jeb types wailed and stomped their feet the more I sided with Trump. The violent protests were the ultimate argument for him.

        • Venus says:

          You have a strong reaction to Trump.
          I have a strong reaction to “our betters” in DC stealing delegates from Hillary in 2008 to GIVE the nomination to Obama.
          I have the same strong reaction to “our bettets” trying to do the same to Trump now. The difference is Trump, unlike Hillary, fought back and didn’t sell his supporters out.
          My vote for Trump has always been a FU to the elites in DC and the MSM.
          if you are fine with the elites anointing candidates because you have a strong reaction to Trump, that’s fine.
          I’m made of stronger stuff.
          Because make no mistake — Trump may well lose the GE, but he is the ONLY candidate in a long time who can truly shake up the status quo.

    • swanspirit says:

      I personally think it is very healthy to have voices with differing opinions. If those voices aren’t spewing hate , I am always open to listening.

      • smile says:

        Spewing hate is not my thing, hehe. I want to thank everyone here for your kind responses. This is the most I have commented in one day on this blog, thanks to all of you.

        • foxyladi14 says:

        • WMCB says:

          I have lots of friends who don’t care for Trump, not planning to vote for him. That’s fine – you own your vote. Stick around! You can always analyze the race from an objective stance, regardless of how you’re voting. I won’t jump on you.🙂

          The #NeverTrump thing is different. It’s mostly GOP consultants and pundits who spent 2 decades demanding all GOP voters hold their nose and vote for the impure nominee (their guy) BECAUSE UNITY, and are now all pissy because a populist whom they don’t control and who won’t fill their consulting/commenting coffers won fair and square.

          The only thing they have in common with PUMA is that they’ll have little effect. I despise Obama, but in hindsight it’s easy to see that like it or not, he came in on a wave of public opinion (right or wrong) that wasn’t nothing gonna stop. PUMA certainly wasn’t going to dent it. Trump is similar to both Reagan and Obama in that. (Not in his policies, but in the gorwing public wave sense.)

    • Somebody says:

      Smile we’re not bots, there will probably be a bit of gloating for a day or two it’s been a tough primary.

      I agree with you that I have no desire to borrow from Donna Brazile’s lexicon. Personally I am hoping that the #nevertrumps come around. I don’t expect it to happen quickly, they need time. This has been a hard fought primary.

      That being said Lola is 100% correct that #nevertrump is NOT P.U.M.A. Whether you like him or not there can be no doubt that Donald Trump won this. He did so while fighting not only the other candidates, but most of the media, most of the elite, party insiders, elected officials and a bunch of very rich people willing to throw their money around and last but not least violent protesters, many of which were paid.

      In other words Trump won this fair and square fighting an uphill battle.

      I am curious though Smile, is it Trump’s policies you don’t like or is it a personality thing? You don’t have to answer me if you don’t want to, I was just curious. I’ve found mostly the people that don’t like Trump it is his personality that rubs them the wrong way.

      • smile says:

        I can understand the need to gloat a little after a tough primary. 🙂 My comment had been brewing in me for a few days and it just so happened that I commented on this thread.

        Regarding your question, for me it is both his personality and his policies.

        • leslie says:

          As long as companies like Intel continue to apply for nearly 15,000 H1B visas and green cards so they can “lay off” with impunity fantastic employees like my dd, (who has made hundreds of millions of $$ for them) and import workers from Asia who will cost them next to nothing. I will suoport this man. Her plight means more to Trump than it does to Dick Durbin, my senator, who wrings his hands, cries crocodile tears, and says he can do nothing. Those pols have lost me forever.

        • dm says:

          MOTUS had a great post on the loss of Cruz…bottom line is this – who do you want as president? A crazy socialist, a lying scheming has been murderous hag, or an unlikable businessman who says he wants to put American first? No brainer for me.

          • Jadzia says:

            I agree that Trump is unlikable — at least to me. I view him more favorably when I read ABOUT him than when he’s on my TV, ha ha. But I am already tired (again) of all the sexist/misogynistic stuff being thrown at HRC, even if she’s lost me politically. A hag? Really? Was it okay to call Palin a bimbo and a ho, too? What was wrong with just lying and scheming?

          • leslie says:

            Jadzia, you make a great point about name calling. I agree. I also agree w you r/t what I read about Trump. He does read better than he often comes off. But I have seen him appear genuinely empathic and connected to others as if they were the only one(s) in his world at that moment.

    • DandyTIger says:

      Funnily Trump could be a terrible president. Some of us want him because we want the two parties torn down. So we might very well be nuts. And that’s OK.🙂

    • Smile, you are absolutely welcome here. Voting for Trump is not required. As in 2008, you own your vote. It’s yours to do with as you please.

      As the author of this post, let me assure you this post was not directed at Pumas. It was a comment on what I saw on Twitter last night among #NeverTrumpers, who were playing the victim card absurdly. I wanted to make sure this context was framed, because choosing not to vote for the legitimate winner is quite different than walking away from a party because votes were stolen by insiders.

      As far as Trump not needing the votes of a few select Twitter Barons, that is true. It’s what we learned from Puma. While the context is different, that much is the same. When realignment happens either through party manipulations or through the will of the people, some people are going to get left behind. It is what it is.

      • Anthony says:

        FYI, some PUMAs at the neighbors place are already joining the #NeverTrump movement

      • smile says:

        Thanks, Lola, for your comment. I misunderstood the meaning of NeverTrumpers and after MYIQ clarified the meaning, I better understood the point you were making.

  10. lyn says:

    What a waste:

    • Lulu says:

      It is really a great tactic. Entice your enemy/competitor to waste a huge amount of money/resources. Like complete dumb asses the establishment telegraphed that they had money to burn since 2012 so Trump got them to spend it and he developed a plan/means to get FREE media. Too MUCH money is a curse and causes overconfidence and lazy thinking.

    • blowme0bama says:

      Could have given a million to me and it would have been just as effective.

  11. Dora says:

    It’s going to be a pretty wild summer.

    Bernie Sanders Fans Plan to ‘Occupy’ Democratic Convention

    So far, nearly 2,000 individuals have indicated their interest on Facebook in disrupting the convention with the intended goal of having a “9.9 million person march” take place there in order to wage an “American Civil Revolution.”


  12. Dora says:

    • leslie says:

      When you watch the Trump victory speeches, keep your eye on Ivanka. She always looks at her father with such intensity. She seems to admire and honor him and wants to learn from him. IMHO. I can’t stop noticing how much more attentive she was to him than any of the others on the stage.

  13. Dora says:

  14. Dora says:

    Plan C: Third-Party Run A Daunting Task For GOP Establishment

    The search for a kamikaze candidate begins.


  15. driguana says:

    So now, who might be a good running mate for Trump?

    • DeniseVB says:

      I still really like Gingrich because of congresscritter herding skills🙂 Jim Webb for a unity effort and any of the lady govs would be nice too. Knowing Trump, his pick will be yuuuge and the best pick a President has ever made😀

      • Lulu says:

        Webb would be awesome because Trump would allow him to go medieval on their asses. So that would probably make it a no although he is one of those party-less types like Trump. I think one of the young Congressmen from out west who went Trump early may be a consideration. Whoever advised Cruz to go so loony against Trump ruined his life from now on as he is now a pariah.

        • DeniseVB says:

          “medieval on their asses” LOL, yes he will. A decorated war hero too which would give the ticket street cred.

          • Lulu says:

            Give Jim a plane, an expense account, an itinerary, and turn him loose! Blood on the wall and teeth on the floor. Then he can write a book about the election.

        • blowme0bama says:

          Let it happen! Webb is the last remnant of the old DEM party that had common sense before the DIMS took over.

          • DeniseVB says:

            And the old Reagan GOP! Win-Win🙂 Country before party!

          • blowme0bama says:

            Wifey grew up in a GOP family and could never understand that once upon a time, there were actually reasonable Democrats. “Reasonable”, that’s all I want – not an overreaching ideologue.

      • Anthony says:

        VP’s are usually picked to shore up voters from a candidate’s weakest demographic. I thought Gingrich too, but afterward felt he might be too polarizing (I hated him in 08 and 12) I was thinking maybe Giuliani? He’s widely respected by conservatives, and not out of his mind (too much lol)

    • DandyTIger says:

      Don’t think he’d pick Webb. I think he wants a GOP congressman to help get things done. A Dem, though unifying for the country in some ways, might have the opposite effect of building a bridge to the GOP congress.

      • Lulu says:

        I keep thinking Sen Sessions. They are very simpatico. Give Jeff immigration and the border. Jeff already knows the law and what can be done NOW. And assassination insurance as he is tougher than Trump on this stuff. While a gent Sessions is a tough little fucker.

        • lyn says:

          I like Sessions’s disposition. He reminds me of a country doctor.

          • Lulu says:

            He has good manners. Have you ever watched him humiliate Obama administrators? Most of them are too stupid to know he just gutted them. At Trump rallies he looks like he is about to burst out laughing. I can relate.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Yes, an insurance policy is important and why I ruled out the younger, ambitious wing of the GOP. Sessions would be great.

        • taw46 says:

          I have always liked Sen. Sessions. That would be a good choice for me.

    • driguana says:

      Sessions is an interesting option. How about women? Hispanics? Possibly a black candidate? Ben Carson? Condi Rice? Just pondering because I think, as DVB points out, it’s going to be a yuge curve ball of some kind.

  16. DeniseVB says:

    😀 The #NeverTrumps are going off the rails, so I thought this was funny…..

    • Lulu says:

      I think Cruz got an international call from Davos. You wrecked old son. Time to hang it up chap. Maybe a career in banking law in Zurich with Heidi. Your lack of a nationality would be a plus.

      • taw46 says:

        You’re so funny, “lack of a nationality”.

        • Lulu says:

          He is a “citizen of the world” and “no human is illegal”. Blah! I wish he would quit the Senate too and let Abbott appoint Rick Perry to fill out the term. Adios mofo! to Cruz.

          • taw46 says:

            I would think some of his actions the past few months have cost him support in TX. Do you find that to be true?

          • Lulu says:

            Yes! He only won Texas with a plurality and cheating. And the goobers who backed him are getting the side-eye too. They better straighten up fast. Gov Abbott was “I endorse Ted Cruz now let’s talk about something else.” and not a word since so Cruz is not all that and never was.

  17. mothy67 says:

    Diamond and Silk made it to Drudge

  18. DeniseVB says:

    Nice to see this guy’s on our side ….

  19. DeniseVB says:

    Milo ! Wait for it…..(Milo and Ben Shapiro have a twitter history, so to speak😉 )

  20. mothy67 says:

    Tell me to pretend I am a mature adult and not destroy a woman’s life. My dad passed out he was in ICU he’s stable now. I called his job and informed them. My old roommate had just died(Chelsea’s sister in law) the woman fired my dad to me. Proverbial straw I went off on her. So unprofessional. You cannot fire someone over the phone to his son. It’s a good thing he got canned. Has COPD and was working graveyard shift for the railroad. Pushing 80 stupid to work overnight. I have held management jobs. You have to be so careful when dismissing someone. She’s a single mother of a 14 year old boy. I assume she has limited education as she said yinz. Doubt she makes much. Yep I’m letting it go. Nothing to gain and I doubt she had malice, just poorly trained. The thing that annoyed me was she tried to lie right after she said it telling me she didn’t say what she just said.

    • votermom says:

      (((Hugs)))) and prayers for your dad.

      • mothy67 says:

        Thanks. Someday he’s not going to be here not just yet. He’s a softball coach so the next few months will keep him busy. Yep softball coach with his oxygen tank. Girls love coach pap. He takes them to batting cage. He had six kids wed at 19. There was not the option of planning for
        retirement. He has Social Security. Still working. Really no need but its pride. He’s of that James Dean era. The court cases about baby girl are a yuuuge financial drain. Now 350 an hour for attorney. It’s so insane he files and refiles goes to court rescheduled over and over again. School is not allowed to get involved but they wrote a letter to the judge. The fees take a toll at this point its over 50 grand. 10 years this has been going on. Family court is fucked up. My dad feels impotent because he cannot pay so he works 12.50 an hour to drive railroad employees overnight. They fly in he drives them. Poor health the stress of graveyard too much. Pup turns 10 in September and judge intimated she can make her own decision then. So insane we go to court he can be in jail and still refile. He goes to jail a lot. Last court order was he could see her for two hours on Wednesdays and Saturdays. She was going to the Pittsburgh CLO. I am obsessed with college. Graduates of CLO have 100% acceptance rate. 1250 a year payable in monthly installments. She loved it. They use the kids from school for tours. Amazing opportunity for a child. He made her quit because that was his time. He hit her by court order she has to have a cell phone. Smart cookie she went into the bathroom and called by court order myparents have to be within 5 miles.She called crying. He said he never touched her and in front of her called her a lyingspoiled bitch. Really dude its on security camera. He is now only allowed to see her in a therapists office once a week Three months not once has he made an appointment. His father was Allegheney County’s most wanted.
        You bet your ass I am proud of my baby girl. She was cast aside. Meant nothing to anybody. I was a middle aged f a g g o t who missed a bus in from NYC for two days little thing so alone. Well yes I am proud. She has straightA’s, on a math team head engineer on a sprout sponsored program, MVP overand over again, funny and so kind. Her mom did not call her for three years. She has a younger brother and sister. Her mom dotes on them. My home is not that sad house where a grandmother is raising an unwanted kid. No. I dread Saturday nights because I have to deal with my shark infested hard wood floors. They build huge forts. For a nano second I thought wow that’s a 2700 dollar sofa. Ten years old who cares. Bestest thing ever was when she broke her collar bone on a slip’n slide. What to do with a child for a summer. On a caprice I read Harry Potter aloud. We would stay up all night reading. When we finished I’d buy the movie and she’d fall asleep in my arms. I read every word of that series. Patting myself on the back cause I think that is so cool. Hermione was her first hero. Now its Catniss.
        Irony my dad works hard to fight for her, but his failing health works against that goal.
        Also, ironically, I am vehemently opposed to gay people manufacturing children. I think a human being can nourish another my same sex attraction has nothing to do with caring for a brat, but if you want to scream homosexuality is natural then accept you cannot procreate. So many kids out there needing a home. I will make no apology on this. I get lots of hate. I know two guys that have been together for 10 months. Rich kids that want to play daddy. They use grind’r and go to club Pittsburgh it’s a bath house. Doall kinds of drugs but excuse it as culture. No clue. A child will be an accessory. I knew I was fucked when brat was wee and I looked in her eyes and I knew she was going to be sick. Few hours later she had a fever.
        One other thing her father is so twisted. When brat was a tadpole I played snakes with her. My hand as a puppet thumb against index. Hours we would play snakes. I was a terrible snake always trying to eat her baby snakes. Well he said in court he held her for hours and played snakes. He then told her he did that with her. He took her shoplifting told her its only fair

    • Somebody says:

      I wouldn’t let it go. He worked for the railroad? For how long, was he vested in the pension plan? It’s not just about him it’s about your mom too she’ll most likely be eligible for a small pension if your dad is and something happens to him. You don’t walk away from that Tim. They can’t fire him for being sick there are laws against that, sounds like you need an attorney.

      • Somebody says:

        Let me add, what about health insurance. Medicare supplement plans keep rising and don’t even think about the cost of a prescription drug plan that covers very little.

        I presume he has some kind of health coverage? Even if he doesn’t qualify for much of a pension odds are he will still be eligible for insurance coverage, that’s a BFD. Especially since he has COPD, he needs all the coverage he can get. Seriously think about the value of insurance coverage.

    • votermom says:

      Don’t feel guilty about doing something – that woman has probably treated other employees as badly or worse than what she did to you dad.

    • Jadzia says:

      That is HORRIBLE. I miss the Golden Age when workers were treated like human beings.

    • leslie says:

      I’m so sorry about your dad. You must listen Somebody and follow up w his work. Even if it was just a short time, he may still be eligible for something.
      I’m also sad to hear of your former roommate’s passing. You’ve written about her many times. I know that losing a friend to death is so very difficult. {{{Hugs to you}}}

    • swanspirit says:

      Sending lots of healing to your dad!!

    • WMCB says:

      Prayers for you dad, hon.

    • taw46 says:

      mothy, I hope today finds things much improved with your Dad. Thinking of you here.

  21. Venus says:

    Yep, Trump won the nomination fair and square — against 16 of the “best of the GOPe” including the heavy favorite Jeb! (remember him?). And he did it with *no* help from the RNC and millions upon millions of negative ads being spent against him.
    Hillary, OTOH, is such a “formidable” candidate that she can’t win against an old bum communist who never held a job before his 40s when he went into politics without the help and protection of the DNC (superdelegates) and hardly ANY money being spent against her.
    Remember that as the same pundits who were wrong about absolutely everything re: Trump start telling us how Trump can’t beat Hillary in the GE.

    • mothy67 says:

      Amazing how out of touch these “smart” people are. How after Chicago they did not see that protest escapades fuel Trump. The left demands we be hospitable to an invasion and the interlopers burn our flag flip the bird, stop traffic. Idiots nominated Trump themselves

    • Ann says:

      I have long suspected part of the #nevertrump crowd joined because they think that the only R candidate that could beat Hillary, is Trump. And they couldn’t have that.

  22. Dora says:

    If Ms Jacobs could come back to see the city on her 100th birthday, she would cry. 😦

    Jane Jacobs believed cities should be fun ­ and changed urban planning forever


    • driguana says:

      Well, that’s for sure. As a retired city planner of 40 years and a huge fan of Jacobs, I am sure that most planners look back on the tragedies of a lot of our urban environments with both sadness and dismay. Thanks for the reminder.

  23. NBD says:

    “This country, which is very, very divided in so many different ways, is going to become one beautiful, loving country, and we’re going to love each other. We’re going to cherish each other. We’re going to take care of each other.” Trump in his victory speech.
    Please! Don’t tell me he’s just another politician trying for a makeover once the nomination has been secured. I say forget that stupid hippie shit and get to work crushing the enemy.

    • Somebody says:

      Hippie shit, LMAO!

      I don’t know about all the love, but Trump definitely needs to reach out to all Americans. He’s been painted as such a monster, I’m not sure how many will listen. His proposed policies will be beneficial for middle and low income individuals and families of all ethnic persuasions. You’d think they’d be open to considering him because Hillary represents more of the same and that shit sure as hell isn’t working.

      There are so many that are turned off by his bravado. There are a lot more that only get their information from MSM and have a distorted view of his policies. His campaign needs to figure out how to soften his image a bit, but more importantly they need to help him present his policies in succinct sound bites, he tends to ramble. I know, I know that is what a lot of people like about him but some tweaks surely couldn’t hurt.

      Back to the hippie love. I haven’t been to one of his rallies, but people say they are high energy, fun and yes loving in so far as people looking out for one another and people expressing love of country. In many ways I think this movement is more about we the people than it is Trump and Trump has acknowledged as much. Soooooo, all that unity, love and respect may not be so far fetched after all.

    • votermom says:

      The Dilbert guy calls this the high ground maneuver.
      Trump does it a lot. Now if you don’t unite under Trump, you don’t want America to be a beautiful loving country. Ergo you are a h8ter.😀

    • CiscoKid says:

      “Crushing the enemy”.
      To strong? Not at all. This is a fight for the life of our country, the very life.And in the end, ours and our children.
      In this struggle, I expect no quarter, and will give none.
      Give up that hippie shit. I gave it up as my paycheck shrunk every year. Year after year via taxes.
      Now these tax-a-holics steal from my pension.

  24. Dora says:

    What it was like to be in Trump Tower last night by Jenna Johnson:

    The night Donald Trump became the presumptive nominee


  25. SHV says:

    “German soldiers taking part in a four-week Nato exercise in Norway earlier this year had to leave after just 12 days because they had gone over their overtime limits, it has emerged.”


    Confirms Trumps “Nato is obsolete and expensive” remarks.

  26. Lulu says:

    Kasich has cancelled his “event” this morning but is calling a press conference with a “statement” at 4 ET. Dropout time I guess before he is run out of Ohio.

  27. Anthony says:

    Anybody know that latest on Glen Beck’s suicide watch?

  28. foxyladi14 says:

    Lol with a noose?

  29. blowme0bama says:

    Looks like Kascich is about to throw in the towel.

  30. lyn says:

  31. taw46 says:

    FOX reporting Kasich suspending his campaign.

  32. threewickets says:

    Puma was anti-elitism. #NeverTrump are elitists. Bernbots are also elitists, strangely enough. All those university academic socialists are irredeemable snobs.🙂 And of course the bi-coastal chattering class Obots now switching over to Hillary are professional elitists. Trump just has to run against elitism, and keep the pressure on the major media. He where he knows many buried bodies.

    • WMCB says:

      I think there are two groups of Bernbots. Big group are actually socialist elitists who think they know what’s best for everyone, but a smaller group are kids just disgusted with the establishment status quo because *it’s not working*, and that’s obvious to them.

      That second group may well come over to Trump if he and his supporters play their cards right.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      If Hillary had won the nomination in 2008 the Obots would have been #NeverHillary.

    • Lulu says:

      They are the worst “elite” ever. Both sides of them are elite in their own minds.

      • Myiq2xu™ says:

        History shows that elites rarely merit that status. Elites imagine that they are the winners of a meritocracy, when the truth is it has more to do with luck than anything else, starting with being lucky in choosing your parents. Royal families typically begin with greatness and then slide into mediocracy on the way to dysfunction.

  33. Somebody says:

    Kasich is suspending his campaign too!!! Another one bites the dust!

  34. swanspirit says:

    Somebody pulled the money plug on Kasich, too. Who wants to throw money after an afterthought ? Especially since there is no chance of any contested convention.
    The best part is, Bernie and the Bernouts plan to bedevil Hillary all the way to their convention.
    Am I enjoying this election too much?

  35. mothy67 says:

    Why do I love Trump?
    I was born a defect to teens. I should have died or at best been limited. Nope 139 IQ then I had to be gay in a very conservative Catholic family. I ran away to Purdue. Everynight I listenned to self help tapes saying I am a heterosexual. My roommates dad was VP in Vietnam. I left Purdue because I loved it. I was a poor gay kid that had gone to 7 schools. I always stuck out. Purdue was me fitting in. I did not go back because I didn’t want to ruin that time. I transfered to Temple. Frigging Holly. Waiting tables in center city. Girl I worked with said aftee numerous libations I have to go home. No stay. She never left. She died yesterday. She was selling fish on the street of Saigon. The child of a Vietnamese prostitute and an Irish American GI. Marjorie adopted her. Marjorie is Chelsea Clinton’s mother in law. I then met a woman shot in the head. No choice kept her alive. Crawled into my best friends bed covered inblood. Knew I was in love with her, but gay so I decided to go to Hunter in NYC to get away. I worked full time at hltel atop the Belview and Skuth Street Souvlaki and commuted from Philly to New York. After a year I was tired met a woman in cafateria. She got me a job as a waiter at The Rose Cafe gone now but it was5th Avenue off Washington SquarePark. I was fleeing my best friend because I was gay and felt I was prohibiting her. 25 years old I slept with her and she turned me onto heroin. I only sjorted. AFter sex she told me she had herpes. I got tested for years. She was Jean Michelle Basquiats lover for years. Julian Schnabel’s bio pic is full kf shit. Suzanne Mallouk is a psychiatrist. but I slept with the woman that cartoon is not her
    Heroin. I snorted it for a fewweeks in 1992. I am at heart an angry person to me heroin was denial. Like pillows taking away pain. I’ve been jabbed and poked since birth. I’m not looking to escape. I love being drunk. Not three glasses of wine. I like drunk. I tried SSRIs. I am an angry person I have never hit a person not out of self defense. I wanted to kill the woman that fired my dad. I did not explode but I was angry. Can’t we be allowed to be angry?
    Anyhow one more about my Forest Gump life story. Sitting in a diner 1993 a very young girl came in ordered a glass of wine. I was 25 she was so young. We talked. She had just moved to “The” Martha Washington Hotel. We became friends for decades.She wrote this

    I just think its kind of funny a throw away child gets me

  36. Anthony says:

    I wouldn’t break out the dancing shoes too soon re: Kasich suspension…

    This is the PERFECT opportunity for #NeverTrump jackasses to trot out a “3rd Party” (cough) candidate to do their best to cut into Trump’s numbers.

    Although I believe most voters will respond as disapprovingly as they did to the Cruz/Kasich/Carly deal, there will be about 24% who will continue to make sure Trump never makes it across the finish line. Let’s prove them to be the impotent, self-absorbed leeches that we already know they are

    • lyn says:

      Those are the Bushies.

      • Lulu says:

        I think they should do more so more laughs. They are so absurd I think they should keep it up. And the angrier and more butthurt, yelling, and teeth gnashing the better. Humiliating assholes will guarantee Trump wins. It could become a national pastime.

  37. DandyTIger says:

    May the 4th be with you

  38. WMCB says:

    So sick to death of this false standard of “If you don’t grovel, apologize, and allow us to lead you by the nose 24/7 over race and sex and nationality, you must be a hateful bigot.” NO. Done.

  39. lyn says:

    This is evil.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Obama’s donor buddies own those wind machines doncha’ know. Waiting for the animal rights peeps get ragey now. I love it when two liberal worlds collide.

    • taw46 says:

      When this came out years ago, the killing of eagles, it made me sick. My Dem BIL, the great environmentalist don’t you know, refused to believe me when I brought it up. He won’t read anything about it. So now they intend to up the numbers so companies can kill even more. They are all lying hypocrites, they only care about the money for themselves and their cronies.

      • lyn says:

        It does make me sick. Yep, where is the outrage from the environmentalists?! It’s like the silence regarding the Gulf oil spill on Obama’s watch.

  40. DandyTIger says:

    Principles the never trump people want to save:

  41. WMCB says:

    I love Pooh and Piglet.

  42. Myiq2xu™ says:

    If Obama had won the nomination fair and square in 2008 I would probably have voted for him in the general election. That was before my awakening.

    • WMCB says:

      Yes. There is something about watching TBTB and media and consultants and chattering political classes array every force they have to prevent people from EVEN VOTING for their choice that just gets my dander up.

      Policy/personalities aside, what was done to Hillary in 2008 by the Dems is very very similar to what the GOP has tried to do to Trump. If Rubio or Cruz had tried and succeeded to beat him fair and square, I’d have likely been okay with either.

  43. leslie says:

    OT ~ Does anyone have AT&T service? My cell phone and anything related to my phone is not working. Says service is down. Is that happening to anyone else?
    Thanks. I just emailed the provider, but of course I’m impatient . 😟

    • Mt.Laurel says:


      My phone has been fine all day. I always have it set to Att’s 3G. Using wireless runs the battery down because there are so many towers and hotspots between home in MD and work in VA – it just keeps trying to connect the whole time.

      Any storms in your area that may have taken a cell tower/internet service down?

      • leslie says:

        Thanks Mt Laurel. I finally was able to contact my phone provider who directed me to turn off the phone while they sent some kind of refresh signal and now it is okay. I wouldn’t care except that I am actually doing gramma duty today at my son’s house where they have no land line and so I’d be in trouble if I had an emergency.
        All’s well now, though.

  44. WMCB says:

    Convo about Trump’s instinct for flipping the script in counterintuitive ways:

  45. DeniseVB says:

    Rushsplaining Trump’s success in the primary process …. and how he predicts a landslide victory over Hillary. Makes sense to me.


  46. mothy67 says:

    I forgot this baby girl was supposed to sing Back to December at spring concert. school said no one day before asit was unfair she had professional training. Whatever. I was blown away that she wanted to sing that song First song I bought her.
    Well my friend died and we did a tablet mini wake I had two shots of JimBeam online and a half a beer. I ran to spring concert. My kid has 17 in her class. I know all the parents. One guy with a GoPro camera dressed in an expensive suit said I reeked of bourbon. I looked at him like you are nuts. He proceeded to be rude to several families. His daughter was having to share her flute solo with esser girl. He was so obnoxious asking people to move and announcing his daughter should not share her flute solo with a piece of trash First of all two peoe is not a solo and that piece of trash is my Shayla. So funny she hates the flute. She calls it passive. She is starting Sax but she was the best at flute. She did not want to perform. Kid is very adult she did out of respectfor her teacher. I had two shots of bourbon and this guy let everyone know he smelled it. I would so have loved to curb stomp him. Called my baby trash. Connor’s mom sat on me. Connor is high functioning autistic. Five years we have struggled together. His mom is fat. Like really fat. She heard this asshole call my baby trash and before I could get up she sat on me. Took my head in her hands and laughed then gave me a head bunt
    I asked baby girl about the other flute player. She said I think she’s very sad. My school distict is okay but seriously right next door are two very affluent districts. Upper Saint Clair and Mount Lebenon . This father is like RNC elite. He thinks because he has more money he can make his daughter special. No not how it works. Shay hates flute but she does it and does it well. Her personality. She has been at same dance school since she was 3. I said maybe time to quit. She said thank god I want tocompete.so this father is upset Shay that hates flute has to be on stage with his daughter because she cannot play. I do not come off as trash. My arrogance procludes that. No this bitch was attacking my parents. So absurdly funny I looked at him with pure hate but before I could move Connor’s fat mom was on myP telling me I am better than that. Today I feel sD for his daughter.

  47. lyn says:

    The #NeverTrumps have morphed into #NeverTrumpForever.

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