Clash of the Icons

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Every four years we go through the motions of picking a new captain for our ship of state. It’s exciting but predictable. The captain changes, the crew changes somewhat, the ship might change direction a few degrees, but the cruise is basically uneventful.

But there’s something different about the 2016 Presidential Election. It’s an epic showdown. A clash of cultural and political symbols. On the left we have Hillary Clinton, the embodiment of corrupt crony authoritarianism, the Wicked Witch of the West Wing. On the right we have Donald Trump, the mogul, the capitalist, the in your face rich loud uncouth American success story.

My personal prediction is that the actual election will not go smoothly. It’s been rubbed in our face that Hillary is above the law. Nothing constrains her now – she does not have to worry about even the appearance of following rules. I expect that she will engage in massive and obvious electoral theft.

Trump supporters need to be prepared for that. To do as other countries have done when the limit has been reached. Resist. March. Do not comply. Take our country back.

Or accept our transformation into a nation of flying monkeys.

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139 Responses to Clash of the Icons

  1. Myiq2xu™ says:

  2. Myiq2xu™ says:

    • votermom says:

      Armchair generals

      • Lulu says:

        They are the first to run too. Then they talk tough or know it all.
        I’d like to know why the woman videoing who just had her friend shot talks like she is drugged or has brain damage (weirdly flat effect). Why isn’t she screaming or at least afraid? And where is the video of the shooting and pre-shooting?

    • DeniseVB says:

      Oswalt’s wife “died suddenly, in her sleep at age 46”. Hmmm, no chronic health or addiction issues and no cause given to this day. Methinks I know the cause now.

  3. votermom says:

  4. Myiq2xu™ says:

  5. Myiq2xu™ says:

    • Lulu says:

      Because they react like whipped dogs they expect everyone else to do so too. We stay quiet and then bite your ass.

  6. DeniseVB says:

    Looking forward to the Inauguration in January (hotel, train confirmed). I’m definitely planning on going, either to celebrate or protest 😀

      • DeniseVB says:

        I think Lola, Anthony and Dandy may be in town too? I’ll start whipping up more enthusiasm after the election.

        Sidebar: There are cheaper hotels in the ‘burbs still available, but your soul will have mercy on the Metro system, which was overwhelmed by Glenn Beck’s rally in 2010. My son’s family never made it from Reston’s station with a mile long line. By the time they got to the station, they were told the rally was over. The rest of us stayed at a hotel near the National Mall, walkable to the event, and I had left at 6am to lay claim to a “good spot” in the shade. I doubt I’ll have that problem in January 😉

        • elliesmom says:

          Do you need me to knit you some “New England” mittens?

          • DeniseVB says:

            Sweet ❤ I do have a "nordic" wardrobe ready from my Lake Placid days from 20 years ago. Just never know where my country's going to send me, hope it still fits 😉

        • kanaughty says:

          So i don’t know if the marc train runs during the inaugeration, but if so i lived in point of rocks, md, south of frederick, md. It was hill country, with lots of trees yet with farming too/small suburbs there. It had a marc station. Anyway, if there’s an airbnb there, i would recommend it. The bridge into virginia is at point of rocks and then you can be into harpers ferry west virginia within minutes. Harpers ferry is such an awesome national park that actually has restaurants etc there. Also the c&o canal trail is a peaceful hike for as long as you want (goes all the way to georgetown). Anyway, out of all places i’ve lived, point of rocks, md has been the most gorgeous and with the most places to visit within an hour. Gettysburg was less than an hour away too. Antietam is right there, probably 10 minutes away. So many battlefields and so much history within an hour. Not to mention the national aquarium in baltimore.

  7. DeniseVB says:

    In case you’re not near a tv, Keith’s link to the Comey v. Oversight Comm. livestream, starting at 10am eastern.

    • DeniseVB says:

      D’Souza’s previous films have never been wrong, he spent time in jail for an oopsie strawman donation that didn’t threaten national security, but I digress, his books and movies have been spot on. For a “brown” guy he’s been pretty abused by this administration, but he’s never pulled the race card. Love him 🙂

  8. Dora says:

    Like Hillary is worried about federal law. Give me a break!

    • Lulu says:

      That is another federal prosecutor Attorney General Chris Christie will have to hire in January. He’ll need about ten thousand.

      • DeniseVB says:

        AG —>Jeanine Pirro, Trey Gowdy, Rudy Guiliani, Chris Christie. All America First Patriots!

        I think Newt’s going to be Chief of Staff, much better position to have Trump’s Brain, than a ribbon cutting/funeral rep VP. Also, I remember all the names floated for McCain’s VP, not one of them was Sarah’s 😉 I think Trump is going to surprise us.

    • blowme0bama says:

      (((shurg))) Crime / Shrime.

    • Somebody says:

      Hillary is above the law, she’s too big to jail. Laws are for little people.

    • DeniseVB says:

      When myiq posted that photo downstairs with Hills standing at the podium with the official seal, I thought it was a photoshop? Whoa, it was real? We all know Obama carries his seal around the world like a binky. “Yo, I’m Prezzy of the Stezzy, Yo” ….

  9. Dora says:

    Great article Votermom. I agree with you completely.

  10. elliesmom says:

    The belief that Hillary is a criminal who doesn’t just believe she’s above the law, but actually is, has been cemented in a lot of people’s heads over the last few days. All but her die-hard supporters, who will excuse anything she does, now concede that she may have put our national security at grave risk. Most people already believed she used her position as Secretary of State to line her own pockets, but the in words of a familiar bloviating gasbag, “Pols will be pols”. Not understanding how that also undermines our national security, a great number of people just shrug that off.

    The meme that Trump is a racist, homophobic bigot has also taken a strong hold on the public despite a lack of evidence of any of it. Otherwise sensible people buy into it, and I’m not sure how Trump fights back w/o making it worse. Although those of us who are truly second-wave feminists look at him and see a man who surrounds himself with strong, powerful women and pays them well, his admiration for beautiful women he’d like to have sex with makes him a misogynist to the third wave. Unfortunately, that’s an argument that won’t be settled before November. While the third wavers appear to have a lot more sex than we second wavers had, it doesn’t seem they have nearly as much fun.

    In the eyes of a great many people the race in November is between a career criminal and a racist misogynist bigot. In the US we have a history of electing criminals, sometimes even when they’re in a jail cell. Racism and homophobia are, at this moment in time, bigger crimes than treason. While confirmation of Hillary Clinton’s crimes against the state should help Trump, I don’t think it’s going to make a difference.

    • DandyTIger says:

      Sadly, I agree.

    • blowme0bama says:

      I think voter enthusiasm is going to be determinative. How enthusiastic are people going to be to go out and vote for HRC? Can the MSM make up for that deficiency by motivating enough people to go out and vote against Trump?

      • Anthony says:

        I agree, but also think that if anyone has been happy with our policies in the past 8 years, they will vote for HRC. If not, they will vote for DJT.

        Others (Never Trump and Never Hillary contingents) will continue to make public asses of themselves until they realize they were only bolstering each others’ weaknesses rather than successfully influencing people to join their cause.

        In the end, it IS about enthusiasm and turnout. I’ve made my decision, and have no need to argue with those who disagree with me. Instead, I just say “I’ve not made any decision” and leave it at that.

    • Somebody says:

      For the life of me I can’t figure out why Trump doesn’t talk about his track record on discrimination. He rocked Palm Beach by integrating his country club and shaming the other clubs to integrate. He has a track record of hiring based on who he thinks has the most talent, gender and skin color don’t seem to enter the equation.

      Why doesn’t he toot his own horn on those matters or at least have his surrogates do so? Those things about him should be featured at the convention at a minimum.

      • elliesmom says:

        For whatever reason he didn’t fight back when his opponents were branding him. Now very few people are going to listen. The meme has been firmly planted.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Could it be, his accomplishments will be held for the general? Like Dora, I’ve followed his career the past 40 years in the msm and the tabloids. There is nothing in his past that would disqualify him that hasn’t affected every successful businessman (looking at you Mark Cuban). Here’s one of my favorites….

    • Venus says:

      I’m from NOLA, and I vividly remember the David Duke v. Edwin Edwards governor’s race in 1991. Dyed in the wool Republicans like my father voted “for the crook” rather than vote for Duke. I even remember the bumper stickers that seemed like they were on every other car “Vote for the Crook, It’s Important.”
      So yes, you are right that people will vote for the crook over the racist BUT in these past scenarios, the crook is also usually the one who has the *charisma* (and ol’ Edwin could give Bill Clinton lessons in charm). That isn’t the case here — Hillary has slightly more charisma than charisma-suck Cruz, but not much. Trump, OTOH, definitely has the charisma.

  11. votermom says:

    Kid the younger is trying to get me to make her biscuits.
    I’m not turning the oven on in this heat!
    I think it’s ok if she goes on hunger strike.

  12. Dora says:

  13. Dora says:

    He looks so cute, doesn’t he?

    • votermom says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      The photo on the right looks just like Malia. So much for the turkey baster rumors 😉

      • Lulu says:

        It could still be a turkey baster just with his “stuff”. It his mom’s YUGE chin that is so obvious. Yuuuugggge!!!!

      • votermom says:

        I think it’s Sasha that there are innuendos about.

      • foxyladi14 says:


      • Mt.Laurel says:

        The original stories on the girls noted that they were conceived using in-vitro fertilization. BO would still be the father/sperm donor so it stand to reason the one or both girls would have some of his features/his family’s features.

        The fertility clinics in the DC area were all excited that they would be able to use the Obamas as examples of the positive outcomes. There were several interviews with docs from the area praising the Obamas for brining such procedures into the limelight. Then all references to the in-vitro were wiped. In two stages, first they went with in-vitro was just used for the second daughter and then poof – nothing.

        In all fairness, it would put the daughters in the spotlight for something that is very private. But the O’s have no problem using the daughters when convenient – so that does not really hold water. My thought was they realized it was a potential negative, not for the daughters, but for BO and MO and the visual that was desired for them .

        • blowme0bama says:

          I wouldn’t do either one of them – who could blame them?

        • Myiq2xu™ says:

          He insisted on bottled, but she wanted draft. Now we know why she looks so pissed off all the time.

        • DeniseVB says:

          I would never hold in-vitro against the Obamas, infertility is common and yes that would have been a great awareness tribute to the First Family, even if they used a surragotte.

          The left toots Michelle gave up her law license to start a family, which was several years before Malia’s birth. Infertility makes sense now. Why not be honest about it?

          • Mt.Laurel says:

            I recall thinking that it would have been a great focus area for MO as FLOTUS. It could have garnered her far more honest respect and appreciation than the fake garden and fake fashion icon . I think even people who are not fans would have seen this as a plus – that they really wanted a family and went through a difficult path to make that desire a reality.

            I guess they were still trying to put out the gay fires that kept springing up around Barry as well as trying to sell them as a devoted couple.

            I thought they both gave up their law licenses (something I have never seen a lawyer do voluntarily and goodness knows the beltway is crammed full of them) for unspecified reasons. Or should I say reasons that are behind a very strong firewall. Or perhaps on that server in Hill’s bathroom. That would account for a few things.

          • Venus says:

            The Left lies — and the Left lies stupidly. You don’t “give up your license” to give up your practice.
            You’re license is suspended for some type of misdeed — which can range from failure to pay annual dues to malpractice.
            Michelle LOST her license. Period.

  14. helenk3 says:

    watching the questioned of comey.
    cummings is a real scumbag. he must really hate this country

  15. Myiq2xu™ says:

    James Comedy is testilying to Congress. Elijah Cumstain is pulling his usual bullshit.

  16. Dora says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      I thought of Helen when Hillary dragged out the Trump Atlantic City business “failures”. I just know that when my dd took money from a venture capitalist to start her business, if she failed her payments to her investor, he would have owned her business in a heartbeat, cashed out to recover his investment, bada-bing. Fortunately she paid him back in 3 years (short of the 5 year contract with interest) so she could hire more qualified mechanics to make her business better. It allowed her a year off for a baby too. Later for rehab. Oh well, she’s still making a scummy block in BushwickBK great again. Bike shop is still thriving 🙂

  17. leslie says:

    I’m watching the Comey hearing. When Caffetz (?) was speaking – never raising his voice, never speaking with disrespect, always honoring Comey’s reputation, Mr Comey’s body language clearly said, “I’m sorry, I’m guilty, you are correct. I let the justice system and the American people down.” Then asshat Cummings responded by charging the republicans with partisan politics and hate and bigotry. He was loud, aggressive, and quite disrespectful toward Chaffetz and the rest of the Republicans and the citizens who have been shown the way the government works on behalf of those who rule or think they are above the law.
    At that time, Mr Comey’s body language was erect, he looked up and made eye contact with the speaker and demonstrated his belief he was just fine.
    Now Mr Comey is in fighting mode.

  18. leslie says:

    I may just go out for a walk. This hearing will be reported by MSM just as you and I expect. HRC will be seen as a victim of political targeting by the Republicans. I hate what is happening today.

    • DeniseVB says:

      It’s compelling viewing. And WoW, Hillary wasn’t under oath when the FBI interviewed her for 3 and a half hours? I have it on Fox Business, they have the best panels. They’re covering this thing wall to wall, so at least I know if they break in, it will be by a smart person. 😉

      I like Comey, unlike those slimeballs they dragged out from the IRS.

      • blowme0bama says:

        No, interviews aren’t under oath. It is a crime to give false information to law enforcement, though… well, I guess if you carelessly give false info, its okay.

      • leslie says:

        It is compelling viewing. Unfortunately I can’t stand Cummings and their usual “moral superiority” as they defend the indefensible. I too, was watching FBN. Been going there for months now. But for some reason, today is not gonna be the day for me to take in the b.s. from Cummings.
        More power to you, Denise.

  19. DeniseVB says:

    True story, illustrated 😀

  20. lyn says:

    OT, thank you for your warm and kind condolences. You all touched my heart. ❤

    • votermom says:

      How are you lyn? How are the funeral plans?
      Know that I am praying for you & your family, that you may be comforted in this time of grief.

      • lyn says:

        I flew home late yesterday, and I’m in zombie mode.
        Thank you for your prayers, votermom.
        Mom didn’t want a funeral, but we hit the funeral home yesterday for the other arrangements. We all laughed when we went into the conference room that was cold on a cold and rainy Montana day. Who needs heat when clients are dead?! Right?!
        My big sister is taking care of our father and Mom’s two cats until we can find an assisted living place. The granddaughter still is being an A-hole and lying about everything, and our father is believing her. SMFH.

    • Lulu says:

      Take care of yourself. It is easy to forget or not care sometimes when you lose someone you love so much.

    • foxyladi14 says:

  21. Lulu says:

    Comey has aged about 15 years in the last week. He is puffy, eye-baggy, and mottled. Good. He needs to quit, get out and retire.

  22. Lulu says:

    Why don’t the Dems just cut to the chase and blow Comey on live television?

  23. votermom says:

    I’m not watching the Comey thing. I have to protect my blood pressure.

  24. helenk3 says:

    now the dems are using the well he did it too defense. When my kids tried that one it did not work with me. It is not working when the dems are using it either

  25. votermom says:

  26. votermom says:

    Check out this comment on ace:

    Comey was on the board of HSBC when they got busted for laundering cartel money. HSBC got prosecutorial deferment from the US Attorney’s office overseeing the case when a deal was cut. That US Attorney was Loretta Lynch. Shortly thereafter, Comey was nominated to be FBI Director.

    HSBC had also been accused of laundering/handling money of terrorist organizations. I wonder how much Clinton Crime Family Fund cash passed through them as well?

  27. helenk3 says:


    watching this hearing, I can understand this

  28. votermom says:


  29. DeniseVB says:

    Struck a nerve on twit trending Comey did I ? /snork

  30. leslie says:

    My neighbor just said Hillary didn’t break any laws. She never knowingly sent classified information via email. She is being persecuted by the right-wing republicans and has been for the past 30 years.
    I’m serious. That is what she just said.
    I responded that if Trump had done the same thing, she’d be the first one to accuse him of placing the country at risk. She then said, “He does place this country at risk He’s an idiot.”

  31. John Denney says:

    I live in a multicultural area; the small church I attend is attended by people born in about 25 other countries on every continent but Antarctica.

    I see women in burkas and birkinis at the neighborhood pool, but in all the crowds on the street to watch the 4th of July fireworks, I didn’t see a single burka.

    Anyone else notice?

  32. mcnorman says:

    Even far lefty Mika thinks that HRC should not be held to a different set of standards.

  33. Dora says:

    I hate this man so much that I don’t know what to do. I just want to cry.

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  34. Dora says:

    If this is true Comey should step down immediately!

    • mcnorman says:

      What difference does it make, right?

    • SHV says:

      “Under oath” not an issue but not recorded and no transcript, if true, is confirmation that Comey is corrupt.

      • CiscoKid says:

        Hillary refuses to release transcripts of her “$peeches, and had her e-mails deleted.
        Not recorded or transcripts?
        Just the continuing story of the corruption of the Obama/Clinton cartel.

    • blowme0bama says:

      Yeah, in order to place someone under oath, there really has to be an Order. Interviews aren’t conducted under oath.

  35. helenk3 says:

    I would move to Texas to vote for this man

  36. foxyladi14 says:

    help please!!
    I have a very loose tooth and am trying to pull it with my fingers.
    Any advice please.

  37. Dora says:

    Another one of those times I wish I was a fly!

    • leslie says:

      Sadly, if we oust Kirk in Illinois, we get Tammy Duckworth. Kirk panders to everyone because he is in Illinois and if he doesn’t appeal to the Dems in Cook Cty, he loses.
      Duckworth wins the emotional vote. She is the vet who lost her legs while fighting in Iraq (I think).

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