A Deplorable Debate


I watched the Cubbies kick the Hated Dodgers’ ass last night. Apparently it was not the only show in town.


Republicans despondent that Trump threw away final debate

Donald Trump’s rocky performance on the final debate stage did little to allay his party’s concerns that the GOP is headed for an electoral catastrophe up and down the ticket.

In interviews with over a dozen senior Republican strategists, not one said Trump did anything to change the trajectory of a contest that is growing further out of reach. And many said they were deeply distressed by Trump’s refusal to accept the results of the Nov. 8 election, an eyebrow-raising moment already dominating headlines.

And who, pray tell, are these stalwart party leaders who are feeling suicidal?

Immediately after Trump’s remark, several party higher-ups, including South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham and Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake, took to Twitter to distance themselves from it.

“The biggest loser tonight was not Trump, the presidential race is over,” said Robert Blizzard, a GOP pollster who is working on a number of congressional races.


Steve Schmidt, who guided John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, said that Trump’s refusal to commit to accepting election results would overshadow any other strong moments he had.


“He made a really huge mistake tonight when he would not commit to 100 percent accepting the results of the election whether he wins or loses,” said Austin Barbour, a Mississippi-based Republican strategist.


“It’s hard to understand,” said Al Cardenas, a former Florida Republican Party chairman.

“This is microcosm of the general election campaign,” said Mike DuHaime, a former Republican National Committee political director who helped to guide Chris Christie’s presidential bid.


“If Trump hopes to change things around, he can’t repeat that act,” said Eric Fehrnstrom, a top strategist on Mitt Romney’s 2012 bid.


“Trump was already behind,” said Bill Kristol, a Trump critic and the editor-in-chief of the conservative publication The Weekly Standard. “He didn’t help himself tonight, indeed he hurt himself. He’s very likely to lose, and to lose badly. He’ll drag the Senate and House down with him unless Senate and House candidates can make the case they’re needed to check and balance Hillary.”

Not a single Trump supporter in the bunch. Several of them are prominent anti-Trump GOPe types.

Here’s another take from Fox News:

Doug Schoen: At final debate we may have witnessed the end of the 2016 election

At Wednesday night’s debate in Las Vegas, Donald Trump showed us that he does know how to prepare for a debate.

He just should’ve done it sooner.

The evening was by far and away his best performance. Trump hit on all the major themes that his campaign is built upon: economic growth, strong national security, fighting illegal immigration, changing the direction of the country by fighting special interests, corruption and bureaucracy as well as ensuring a Conservative Supreme Court. He had especially good moments in criticizing Clinton’s foreign policy record and her email practices as well as Obama’s failed policies at home and abroad.


And for her part, Clinton was exactly what she needed to be. She was reliable, steady and knowledgeable. She gave strong answers on making the economy work for average Americans and hit him hard on his taxes, foundation and economic plan which would cost America over three million jobs and add trillions to the debt.

She was weak on her response to moderator Chris Wallace’s question on her Goldman Sachs speech wherein she said that she wanted a common market by pivoting to Russian hacking. But then again, at this point, it’s only Trump’s base that really cares about these issues.

The untrustworthy numbers are baked in and Clinton is still leading by six to eight points. And that is unlikely to change.

It follows that we may very well have seen the end of the election on Wednesday night.

Trump needed to expand past his base and he most certainly did not do that. All he did was force Republicans to come out in defense of the democratic system in the coming days. That doesn’t win elections.

So who the hell is Doug Schoen?

Douglas E. Schoen has served as a pollster for President Bill Clinton. He has more than 30 years experience as a pollster and political consultant.

I am really tempted to unplug for the next three weeks.



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103 Responses to A Deplorable Debate

  1. Mom update:

    Mom is feeling much better since she unplugged. She might not need that big jar of Vicodin after all.

    If not, I can find a use for them.

    • swanspirit says:

      That is really great news! If she can get by with non opioid pain meds, you stop the whole cycle and end that problem! Sounds as if she is solidly on the road to recovery. I am sure you are relieved, too! Forget the vicodin, have a beer! 🍺

    • helenk3 says:

      glad she is feeling better.

    • foxyladi14 says:

      Wonderful!!! ❤

    • 49erDweet says:

      Vicodin leaves a huge whale of a headache………… I’ve heard.

    • lateblum says:

      I’m so glad your mom is feeling better! I thought I’d share this with you:
      The med that my MD prescribed is Mobic (Meloxicam = generic) to replace the ibuprofen that I had taken in the last 2 years. I take it once in the morning. It lasts all day and is a NSAID. the scrip costs me about $1.00/month. No side effects that I’ve noticed. If there is any “break through pain” I can still take the hydrocodone. so far, it has occurred only 3 times since I began the meloxicam 3 months ago.

  2. Cubs vs. Indians would be a WS classic.

    • lateblum says:

      I watched the Cubs from time to time while I was watching Longmire on Netflix.
      Did not watch the debate.

  3. votermom says:

    I watched but did not listen. I have no idea who won.

    • elliesmom says:

      What if he had said something like “I don’t know if I’d take it all the way to the Supreme Court like Al Gore did. We have to see how many precincts have more people voting than live there first.” What do you think the response would have been?

      • Somebody says:

        I agree Elliesmom, actually I don’t think the general public is too concerned with what he actually said which was we’ll have to see. That indicates if there is evidence of massive fraud, nope I’m not going to roll over, most people get that. The media just wants to make something of it.

        In fact most people are aware of and have seen evidence of how easy it is to hack voting machines. They’re also aware that both sides cheat, so standing up against fraud is a winner on both sides except the extreme partisans on either side. The masses want fair elections. The media is making a mountain out of a molehill and it will most likely blow up in their faces, especially as more and more evidence of fraud surfaces.

        Furthermore most lived through or are at least aware of Gore V Bush. Guess what the country survived, all the pearl clutching by the media and consultants people can see for what it is.

        • lateblum says:

          I agree, Somebody. I don’t think too many are concerned with his response to this question. And that is the reason ALL MSM are pushing this story. Every station I’ve see today and all the “news” papers whose email list I am on are pushing this meme. “Trump will not accept election decision if he does not win”.
          There is absolutely no respect for the people. Not anywhere – except for Trump.

      • blowme0bama says:

        Here was an opening for him I think he could really scored big:

        T- Of course we will accept the results of a fair election, Chris – however, just this week, video has been released, resulting in the firings of two DNC operatives, one who visited Obama 45 times, revealing that on behalf of Hilary’s campaign, they will bus people across state lines and vote in multiple precincts. Should there be any evidence of that occurring in THIS election, we absolutely are not going to accept, nor should any American accept, the results of an election won through voter fraud. Be aware Hillary, we’re keeping and eye on YOU.

        It’s easy to sit back here without the pressure of the moment on you, but when the question came up, that was the response that jumped into my head.

  4. Dora says:

    Who cares about the senior republican strategists? What matters is what the people think!

    • CiscoKid says:

      I fully agree Dora.
      The 10’s of thousands that attend his rallies is what counts,as do their votes.
      The old Republican anti-Trump f***s opinions don’t mean squat to me.

  5. Anthony says:

    He did indeed make this debate a referendum on her entire record in public service. That did not go unnoticed.

    And yes, the same GOPe fucktards who are STILL refusing to accept primary results are aghast that Trump is not willing to obediently accept the GE results without scrutiny.

  6. Dora says:

    Trump leaving. I don’t think he and the Beast shook hands at all last night. Things should be pretty tense at the Al Smith Dinner tonight.

  7. elliesmom says:

    I watched the debate on CSPAN and turned the TV off when it was over. I didn’t think I could handle the after debate garbage anywhere. I don’t think there was anything Trump could do that the media would admit was a win for him. If Hillary had collapsed on the stage and been carried off, the spin would have been it was because Trump had caused it.

  8. DeniseVB says:

    Ooops. It appears Hills made a major security breach last night.

    • Somebody says:

      She lied her ass off about the Heller case too, but I doubt the MSM will point that out. Trump isn’t a lawyer or a politician, I don’t think he knows the details of the Heller decision or the case. Fine I don’t expect him to argue points of law with an actual lawyer, but damn she got away with a whopper last night…….for just that instance I would have loved for Ted Cruz to appear briefly to call her lies out and wipe the floor with her.

      I really wish Trump would have at least said something to the effect of………without the 2nd amendment we will soon lose the rest.

    • CiscoKid says:

      Well, now ain’t that just peachy keen ?
      Not, maybe, but definitely.
      4 minutes.
      Iran, Russia, China and NorKor say… THANK YOU HILLARY.

  9. DeniseVB says:

    Just a reminder 😉

  10. DeniseVB says:

    Thanks again to ecoast for s/he’s running commentary on the debate last night. I fell asleep and s/he did a much better job recapping than the spinning heads are doing on Maria’s show 🙂

  11. Dora says:

  12. Lulu says:

    Trump won. He isn’t a debater, lawyer or “consultant” who come up with Byzantine or Marquess of Queensberry rules. The presidency is not a debating club for crooks. Hillary was boring and full of disconnected factoids that no one gives a shit about and looked like a little fat marshmallow stumping around. And it was the butthurt Clintons’ who refused all contact with the Trump family because they are trashy and have no self-control and were raised in dog runs. Really! Five seconds with a fake smile to shake hands and they are too trashy to do it. Why not just kick off your shoes and go yank some hair you Clintons?

  13. kanaughty says:

    Not from the debate but two days before until debate day

    “The latest survey finds Trump with the support of 82% of Republicans, 14% of Democrats and a six-point lead among voters not affiliated with either major political party. Clinton earns 77% of the Democratic vote and nine percent (9%) of Republicans”

    Rasmussen. And yesterday i was hearing some spin that hevwas getting way less support from his party than hillary was from hers. All this spin is driving me crazy and i do believe it is a voter suppression demoralizing the vote technique now when visible evidence says trump can win.

  14. DeniseVB says:

    Celebrities are stupid and should delete their twitter accounts. Breitbart has a round up of their vulgar comments about the debate last night.


  15. It is exactly 3 months until Obama is gone!

  16. helenk3 says:


    the apple does not fall far from the tree. Someone should take sonny aside and talk to him. this has to be one of the dumbest comments ever in an election
    running for president is a step down for him

    • DandyTIger says:

      Yep, pretty dumb. I see what he’s trying to get across, that Trump isn’t doing this for power or money, but to serve. But that’s not the best way to say that.

    • dm says:

      IMO, politicians are pretty much the lowest life form on earth – so yeah, I can agree that this can be considered a “step down”.

      • NeverTrumpers have been claiming that since last year. Erick Erickson is a rabid Trump hater.

      • dm says:

        I may be wrong, but this just seems to be more of the same shit that Klown wrote about…all the criticism of his debate, especially the parts regarding a rigged system (which everyone knows is true) to him accepting the outcome (voter fraud, again, everyone knows is true) seem to be coming from anti Trumpers, who were never going to look at him favorably. When has Erickson ever written anything positive about Trump or his campaign??? I’m beginning to agree with Sundance at Conservative Treehouse that much of what is in the media now and until the actual election is psychological warfare, intended to wear supporters down, doubt themselves, wonder if it is even worth voting. Yeah, maybe Trump got into this thing thinking he was just going to shake things up as he has done throughout his life…maybe he was truly surprised by his primary success, but he doesn’t seem like a quitter…yes, the man knows how to cut his losses, but it’s too soon for that.

  17. votermom says:

    My one troll tweet about the debate

  18. DandyTIger says:

    Fuck this diet, going out for Chick-fil-a breakfast biscuits.

  19. votermom says:

    LOLOLOLOL at this pic on Drudge

    • Lulu says:

      Look at the snake behind her. Dead, dead eyes.

    • DeniseVB says:

      My worst fear for a Hillary presidency is that she won’t actually be presidenting. Just a puppet for the globalists via Soros and the rest of our shadow government. Her win will be a mandate for corruption to continue withing the duopoly R and D’s.

      • Lulu says:

        It will be NAFTA II and Obamacare on steroids. She will be just a figurehead.

      • Constance says:

        Absolutely. She is nothing but a puppet. I gave up on the idea that if women were in government the world would be a better place about 20 years ago. Women are just as corrupt as men and most women have the added problem of not being able to read male power struggles and as a consequence get mowed down by them by the time they figure out what is going on. Men will fight to the death over trivia before they change their opinion in the slightest and consider it entertainment.

      • lateblum says:

        But it’s for “The Children” that she does these things.

  20. helenk3 says:


    it is legitimate to ask about hillary’s health.
    right now we have valjar running the country, will huma run it if hillary gets in office?

  21. Ann says:

    And it is day 13 of WikiLeaks…

  22. mcnorman says:

    Hillary confirmed unhinged.


    Subject: Maybe you should meet Hillary

    and talk w her one on one

    She won’t yell so maybe she will actually listen better in that format.

    Ignore if you’ve done that already.

  23. helenk3 says:


    just show your drivers license and say you are a citizen and you can vote.
    now last week the federal government claimed that showing a Pa. drivers license could not help you when trying to get on a plane.
    10 states issue drivers licenses to illegals.
    what is wrong with this picture

  24. votermom says:

    I’m addicted to a Spanish drama on Netflix – El Internado (The Boarding School)

    It’s like Scooby Doo on steroids. Fun escape.

  25. votermom says:


    Kid the younger wants to make this kind of muffin, but in mini-muffin cups.

    If the recipe for full size muffin is 18-20 min at 375F, how long would they be for minis?
    10 min?


  26. DeniseVB says:


    • I’m just glad I’m too broke to buy booze.

      • lateblum says:

        I was at the grocery store yesterday afternoon. The man in front of me was buying several 6-packs of beer and several bottles of booze, and said he was anticipating using it all last night. I asked if he was planning to watch the Cubs game, or the debate. He said “The Debate and i’m gonna need every bit of this to get through it”. The checkout clerk agreed with him. She’s AA and voting for Trump. 😉

    • DandyTIger says:

      Yep, it’s all about their own power. The peasants can go fuck themselves. Well, not too much, don’t need more American peasant babies, they’d rather replace them all with new immigrants. Easier to control.

    • Constance says:

      Yeah because those Republicans never gave a rats ass about our country or The People.

  27. DeniseVB says:

    MOTUS said if you squint your eyes Paul Newman looks like Donald Trump 😀

  28. votermom says:

    Very nice debate reaction from the “LIV mom” long time Dem voter of a commenter at ace’s:

    LIV Mom on the phone with her comments:

    I like the way Trump was calm, I didn’t know he could be that calm.

    He gave it to her, he told the truth and made a liar out of her.

    I don’t care what he said, she *is* a nasty woman.

    here’s how he describes his mom
    My Mom the LIV, the one that voted straight D for years “because my Mama was a Democrat and that’s good enough for me”, the one that to this day thinks Carter will “go down in history as a great President because he was a good Christian man”, is early voting Trump today. Based on his performance last night.

    • votermom says:

      And here’s a comment from a different poster in response:
      My mother, who detests both candidates and planned only to vote down-ticket, is reconsidering.
      After last night, she thinks Trump is truly sincere in his opposition to at least late-term abortion.
      Until now she dismissed all his pro-life remarks as insincere pandering.
      I think she will vote for him.

  29. DeniseVB says:

    So Obama lied to us ?

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