TFHT – Undercover Informant Edition

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The ghost of COINTELPRO rises for Halloween!

Bundy Prosecutors Admit That Undercover Informants Outnumbered Defendants In Recent Trial

For the past six weeks Oregonians have been treated to a political trial of the “Malheur 7” (Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Shawna Cox, Jeff Banta, David Fry, Neal Wampler and Ken Medenbach,). I was privileged to have a ringside seat at the trial as a volunteer researcher and paralegal for Ryan Bundy (who represents himself) at the trial.

As I write these words, the jury is out, considering whether the defendants conspired to prevent U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service or Bureau of Land Management officers from performing their duties at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in rural eastern Oregon. The Bundy brothers and other defendants are alleged to have participated in an “armed standoff” occupation of the Refuge during January 2016 (while protesting the unconstitutional occupation by the federal government itself over the Refuge and other public lands).

The trial has revealed an astounding brave new world of modern surveillance and surreptitious “law enforcement” techniques. Drones flew over and recorded much of what went on. FBI agents captured and monitored every phone number connected between every participant. A search warrant after the fact gave the government permission to surf through 36 Laptops, smartphones, flash drives and other devices to build the government’s case. The FBI turned the analysis of Facebook likes, dislikes, messages, and posts into a science, with multiple agents assigned to that social media alone.

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And there were undercover government informants. Everywhere. Suspicions that the government’s narrative was largely erected with undercover agents were borne out during the first week of trial. It was revealed by an Oregon State trooper that one of Ammon Bundy’s “bodyguards”—a man who drove him to his arrest—was an undercover informant.

Another informant (“Mama Bear”) was revealed when a defense lawyer subpoenaed her for the defense. The woman admitted that her entire trip to the Malheur Refuge was funded by the San Diego FBI office and that she was paid thousands of dollars to inform on the occupiers while helping out in the kitchen.

Each of these informants were revealed by accident. Federal prosecutors vociferously refused to provide the names of other informants—citing case law that holds such revelations may put informants in danger. Prosecutors even used secret information—not provided to the defense—to cross-examine “Mama Bear,” to the prejudice of the defendants.

For days, Marcus Mumford (attorney for Ammon Bundy) demanded more information about the extent of undercover informants. Mumford pointed to the fact that the defendants were charged with conspiracy, and no one can be convicted of conspiring with undercover government agents. (The trial was filled with unanswered questions about who brought and left ammunition and guns, who damaged property, and why some people but not others were charged.)

Finally the Justice Department stipulated (without naming any names) that at least nine occupiers were undercover informants; a number greater than the number of defendants on trial. (Heavily redacted documents in the hands of the defense suggest the number of informants was actually at least 15.)

Significantly, the prosecution’s most damning evidence collapsed at the end of the trial when it was revealed that the man who ran a militia shooting range at the Malheur Refuge was himself an undercover agent. Through the hard work of defense lawyers, “John Killman” was identified as a paid (“reimbursed,” he said) informant who traveled to the occupation at the behest of the government in a beat-up pickup truck to lead the occupiers in combat “safety” training. “Killman” had even trained defendant Jeff Banta to stop cars and pull out their drivers at gunpoint.

Undercover agents are cops in deep cover pretending to be bad guys. More often than not, undercover informants are real bad guys who are cooperating with the cops in order to stay out of jail. It is not unusual to find out that the informants are worse than the people they are ratting out. And while they are not supposed to encourage the commission of crimes, they sure ain’t gonna discourage breaking the law either.

I am not a fan of the Bundy Militia or any other RWNJ groups and their kooky legal theories, but I do have to question the allocation of government resources here. And I am always leery of government secrecy.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Barrow said prosecutors aren’t obligated to disclose any information identifying informants. If a person takes the witness stand and isn’t truthful about their role, then the government would be responsible to come forward and correct any misinformation, he said.


Yeah, we can always count on government lawyers to tell the truth.

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128 Responses to TFHT – Undercover Informant Edition

  1. Somebody says:

    If only their last name had been Clinton then they’d have no worries.

    I’m not a big fan of these right wing groups either, but something seems really fishy if the informants outnumber you two to one.

    • dm says:

      I think the root of these issues has been government meddling with ranchers/farmers land/water rights and regulations…it does go back to Clinton, Obama and even further. these are not the first people to get royally screwed…just the first group to take a stand and try to bring some national attention to it and as a result someone died…right wing extremist, whatever…there is always an outcry about those poor (black) boys who didn’t do nuthin’ and get shot yet look at the video of Finicum…that was a complete set up and outright murder…sorry, I sympathize with the landowners, not the land rapers.

      • taw46 says:

        I agree. Just look at the map of the Western states and how much is owned by the federal government. Then they take away grazing rights and water rights. And the media doesn’t talk about it.

      • Some of these people come from a long Scots/Irish tradition of mistrusting government. They don’t want to pay taxes or obey government regulations. They live out in the boonies in places like Idaho and Arizona. They’re in the hills of Kentucky and the swamps of Florida.

        Mostly they are harmless as long as you leave them alone.

        • dm says:

          I think you are talking about 2 different groups of people. The folks in the hills of KY and swamps in FL don’t necessarily provide for others, i.e. cattle ranching. They do tend to take things personally when the government comes calling and informing them that for some obscure reason, we will now be cutting off your water supply and yes, can we please seize the mineral rights to your land. I don’t particularly care for paying taxes – when so much is wasted on bullshit – or follow innocuous regulations – yes, please tax me some more for that large rain puddle in my driveway…ridiculous, but I’m not out on the land every day fighting the elements, mother nature, etc to provide for my family but also produce crops/livestock for others consumption…they don’t need to be fighting the government as well…sorry, get a little prickly on this subject.

      • 49erDweet says:

        No triggering intended but it IS Oregon. Oregonians I’ve met work hard all their lives being Not Californians. Sort of like Canadians work at being Not Yanks.
        Turn them loose and leave them alone! The feds are only interested in empire building, not that silly “protect the environment” crap. The ‘tell’ is their massive over-commitment of enforcement resources BEFORE anything happened. No “legitimate” agency uses that number of undercover resources, arranged for beforehand, unless they are ‘working the system’ with a hidden agenda in mind.

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  3. elliesmom says:

    I’m trying to think of a government institution I trust these days, and I’m still stymied. I used to trust the National Park Service folks until they spent money to put up barricades to keep people out of places usually wide open to the people because there was no money to keep them open. Nope, can’t think of one.

    • Somebody says:

      The agency or just the employees? I trust the rank and file in many agencies, but not the agency heads. For instance, I trust the rank and file air traffic controllers they keep the flying public safe 24/7, millions of people each and every year. The management of the FAA, well that’s a different story, it’s hit or miss. Same with border patrol and ICE, the rank and file are mostly good patriotic people that want to do their jobs. Unfortunately their superiors won’t let them do their jobs more often than not.

      There are some bad apples in the rank and file, but by and large most of the rank and file government employees I know are pretty patriotic people that love this country.

      • elliesmom says:

        It’s the institutions, not the little people mostly, but it takes the little people’s compliance to make things happen. I know people need to eat and risking a job by refusing to follow orders is a difficult thing to do. Sometimes being “patriotic” requires more than just saying we are. I completely understand why people with families, mortgages, and other bills to pay would just do what they were told to do. However, that compliance makes them part of the problem. An unwilling participant, perhaps.

        • The Romans figured out a system that has been copied by dictators ever since.

          1. The army keeps the people in line.
          2. The Praetorian Guard keeps the army in line.
          3. Caesar worries about keeping the Praetorians in line.

      • 49erDweet says:

        Agree. Rank and file aren’t the problem.
        Back before time began, when I was a cop, at least 6 of the new cops I ‘washed out’, or more accurately who washed themselves out, went on to “bigger and better” jobs in fed and state agencies. And once there, were promoted. Scary.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I remember NPS being pissed about the barry-cades because they are free and open 24/7 year round. They were ORDERED to put them up as a message to the peons that Obama was upset with Ted Cruz or something. It never made sense. Friends of mine were on a family vacation to visit National Parks out west and were shut out, so the effects of Obama’s temper tantrum were felt well beyond the DC Mall.

    • blowme0bama says:

      Same. Every single one is corrupt and stealing my money.

  4. helenk3 says:

    what was the purpose of instigating this whole mess? A man died shot by law enforcement who claimed he had a gun when pictures showed he did not. Were there any minerals on their land that the government want for a foreign country?

  5. DandyTIger says:

    Scott Adams is having some fun. He’s got a nice method to trick your Clinton voter friends into not voting:

    1. Set the stage by cleverly hiding the fact that you are a Trump supporter. Say some good things to your intended targets about Clinton’s plucky attitude, her place in history, and the breadth of her experience. Once people believe you are on the “right” side, they will find you more persuasive later.

    2. Prior to election day, note how lopsided the polls are in favor of Clinton. Also point out that the pollsters are usually correct when you are this close to election day. Say you are thinking of not voting this year because lines are sometimes long and parking might be iffy. Put that thought in people’s minds a week ahead of election day.

    3. On the day before the election, and again on election day, engage Clinton supporters in conversations that involve concepts such as laziness, exhaustion, overwork, and stress. You don’t need to mention the election. Just talk in general about things that are more trouble than they are worth. People will respond to your downer-talk by feeling a bit lazier themselves. They might even feel overworked and more stressed than usual. (This concept is inspired by the book Pre-Suasion, by Robert Cialdini.)

    4. Complain about workplace problems in which one person can’t seem to make any difference in this world. Talk about anything that feels disempowering. No need to talk about the election. The feeling will bleed over.

    5. Proclaim that you were planning to vote for Clinton but it seems like a lot of work and she is ahead in the polls, so why bother?

    6. Jokingly say that because you don’t plan to vote this time, it won’t be your fault if Clinton is a huge mistake as president. You’ll have a clean conscience for four years.

    7. Wonder aloud how anyone can vote for either Trump or Clinton without feeling stained by it all.

    If you follow those steps, and reinforce them with repetition, you can potentially influence about 10% of your target group to skip voting. Let me know how it works for you.

    • Somebody says:

      True those techniques would probably work, but what if the target you think is a Clinton voter is actually a shy Trump voter?

      • votermom says:

        It’s no problem – Trump voters will crawl over broken glass to give the system the big FU, as Michael Moore puts it.

      • Lulu says:

        Agree with the shy Trump voter but it would work well with the Bernie-bots. I have already done this to some faux-socialists who have no idea that they are ignorant idiots and I am feigning fake sympathy. Oh-oh, I know how your feelz! It is just awful! Your would have to work and pay back your loans and be tired and shit!

    • DeniseVB says:

      The only Clinton voters I know are the vagina voters who want to be just as historic as Obama and it’s her turn dammit……something like that.

      Then there’s my niece who wants her daughter inspired that she will be “allowed” to run for President someday too! Typical lo-fo not seeing beyond our “historic” slide into a third world sh*thole.

      Not sure the stupids can be persuaded anymore.

      • Somebody says:

        My sister is a combo of those things with some Clinton idolization. She remembers WJC fondly, he was her favorite POTUS. Somehow she thinks electing Hillary will bring back the 90’s or something. Also, Hills is a woman…..yeah for vaginas. Then there is the fact that deep down inside my sister dreams of her daughter aspiring to the oval office. My niece just finished law school and they’re already talking about US Senate, it’s crazy. What is even funnier is that my niece shuns the very idea of anything lower than US Senate or judge, like it’s beneath her……whatevs.

        I’m a bitch when I hear the Clinton fan shit, I tell sis I hope ISIS moves into her neighborhood first. I’d really like to be nastier than that, actually more graphic than that but family. It doesn’t matter anyway because my sister thinks that’s crazy talk. Mention what is happening in Europe and she insists it’s overblown by Faux News and right wing nut jobs. The sad thing is my sister isn’t unique there are millions of people that feel that way.

  6. Lulu says:

    Obama is working very hard attending fund raisers for Hill so no one has to leave the US if Trump is elected including him. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/obama-trump-country-230264
    Why would anyone HAVE to leave the country unless they are afraid of prosecution? Maybe the story about an ugly Dubai McMansion was true. But who would want him? And he better not be counting on Iran who would screw him over in a heartbeat. Is Bronco about to be the globe-trotting pariah?.

    • Somebody says:

      You know back when those rumors about the Dubai mansion started with the story about the Camp David SS team been sent there briefly to do security stuff inside and out, I never thought it was for Obama. From the very first time I read about all of it, my spidey senses said Clinton. The stories have all spun it to be a refuge for Obama, but when that story broke happened to be about the same time stories also broke around the Clintons. First was reopening of some of the Epstein cases and then the private server story broke.

      Who knows maybe there isn’t a house in Dubai. Remember all the stories about Bush family property in Uruguay? One of the daughters flew down there and oversaw a massive land purchase. Well the Bushes are all right here in the USA.

      Hahaha, it would be excellent if Trump is elected if the Bushes, the Clintons and the Obamas fled the country. Especially if they take their cronies with them. That last part wouldn’t happen they’d hang them all out to dry.

  7. Somebody says:

    The picture at the top of this post is a little haunting to me. The guy looks like a dear friend of mine that passed away in 2003, they never figured out his cause of death either. (I’ve always been suspect of his sudden “reconciliation” with his ex). She returns and insists they must stay isolated to reconcile, no outside influences. 6 months later mysterious death and she makes out like a fat rat, picture of the grieving widow she wasn’t. The guy in the picture is much heavier than my friend, but eyes and facial features are spot on.

  8. I’m gonna save this and use it to fertilize my garden next year.

  9. DeniseVB says:

    Speaking of tinfoil, the 11th Trump accuser has come out to smear him, then I ran across this article, written by a reporter who was paid to dig up dirt on him for 10 years, and went hmmmm? This is what she found in all those years:

    http://townhall.com/columnists/lizcrokin/2016/07/10/trump-does-the-unthinkable-n2190160

    Also, not one of Trump’s accusers filed a police report or had witnesses to their “assaults”.

  10. votermom says:

    I keep getting server errors from wordpress.com – anyone else getting those?

  11. taw46 says:

  12. votermom says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      Leaking botox ? Oh you know she had some filler help to keep her looking re-refreshed before that last debate. How will she ever manage her Presidency, I mean, she can’t disappear for 5-7 days at a time from the public ?

  13. foxyladi14 says:

    Spread the word!!!

    Vote here daily.
    Lets turn America RED!!!!

    https://worldwide.vote/hillary-vs-trump/#/

    • CiscoKid says:

      Boy, that was fun and encouraging.
      Over 333,000 votes cast.
      Wanna know who’s winning? Go vote.
      Thanks foxy.

  14. Somebody says:

    I am having a horrible day. It’s 10:30am and in the 4 and a half hours the grandkids have been here I’ve broken up over a dozen fights……..here they come screaming now. These are real fights with hair pulling and body slamming. They’ve thrown shit at each other, my shit and food, they had a food fight with their snack.

    They’ve never been this bad before and generally they don’t fight, but today they are absolutely horrid. Now one is accusing the other one of cheating at fighting. Just rescued the younger one from a full choke hold. Her sister had her pinned to the ground in a choke hold. This is crazy. The younger one head slammed the older one on the tile floor and now she has a serious goose egg.

    Seriously, today is by far the worst day I’ve had they are being terrible. I don’t know what’s up with them. Nothing distracts them, forget stories or crafts they just fight more. I’ve joked about drinking, but today I seriously just want to get sloshed. Where in the hell has a two year old and a three year old learned to body slam, choke hold, hair pull and throw stuff? The only time they’ve gotten along this morning was when they got into stuff they weren’t supposed to be getting into in my dining room………..two hours until nap time……I think I can, I think I can.

    • Lulu says:

      It is natural ability and my boys did the same. Separate them in opposite sides of the room, if they cross over to cause mayhem and injury to the other one into the timeout corner they go. Screaming, yelling, crying ignore it. Eventually they catch on. Sort of. Most of the time. Then make them hug and say sorry. My sons would choke as they were made to say it. LOL. They are adults now and love each other but it helps they live in separate states.

      • foxyladi14 says:

        Exactly!! And no matter what time of day, you came to my house,
        You would find at least one, of my five with their nose in the corner. lol:

    • mcnorman says:

      I know that this is wrong, but cocktail hour would have started at breakfast.

      • CiscoKid says:

        Well maybe not.
        When my aunt on occasion would “baby sit” my brother and I , we both would take advantage of her good nature. Don’t sit there, we’d sit there. Don’t touch that, we’d touch it. Don’t play with your food, we’d play with the food. You get the picture.
        But after Auntie had a couple small teacups of her medicine, she transformed into a drill sergeant, not to be played with. We learned to fall in line, schnell like.
        Only later on in life did I learn that 4 Roses was not really medicine.
        During WWII she worked in a factory that made bicycles during peace time, but during the war, M1 Carbines.
        She never married. We we’re probably the closest to being the children she never had and my brother and I acted like idiots.
        But when I’m at the liquor store and I see the bottles of 4 Roses, I think of her and I smile because I’m there to buy my “medicine”

    • lateblum says:

      My gbabies were feisty this morning, too. I even had to speak sharply to my gdaughter twice before school. When we arrived at school, the kids on the playground were also wild-child-like. I’m thinking it could be in anticipation of Halloween this weekend. (Much as I dislike the holiday) Kids love this celebration. So I’m gonna attribute the wildness to October 31. But you might also ask what has been going on at home. Let your son know about the increased “energy” and ask him if things at home could be triggering this behavior. Good luck with the rest of the week.

    • 49erDweet says:

      SMH. So sorry. My honey and I set hard and fast rules with the parents, so when the babies act up it’s mommy or daddy who handles it. But each situation is different, I know.

    • blowme0bama says:

      You don’t have a belt in the house?

  15. Somebody says:

    I wrote a long sad tale about my grandkids fighting and it disappeared…….oh well.

  16. mothy67 says:

    Having had some pretty shitty jobs in my day I tend to be very accommodating to people who hate their work, but one can only be pushed so far. I bought a collection of Flannery O’Connor short stories for a penny on Amazon. Tracking said delivered yesterday. Nope. Four dollars with shipping not a big deal. However, I often shop through the mail. Four times packages sent to wrong house and I have rec’d others stuff. I walk it to the neighbors.
    Thing is I always thought of the Post Office as a symbol of American fortitude. That sturdy building in Manhattan with the “Neither sleet blah blah blah”. Yesterday we got zilch. Not one political ad or coupon. Does not happen. Was something you could depend on.
    seems to me there is no pride exhibited by employees. I wouldn’t want the job, but I assume it pays well with benefits.
    I just see more and more where people act like they are doing me a favor by doing a job. Lord knows my Senator thinks he owes me nothing for my vote.

    • Somebody says:

      More and more postal employees are contractors that use their own vehicles. The lucky ones buy surplus mail trucks that are auctioned off. The pay is pretty good $15 to $17 an hour, but fuel and car maintenance is on them.

      I was looking at possibly doing that for a couple of years. It hadn’t crossed my mind, but when I was trying to help baby mama find a job before she beat feet I found postal jobs and encouraged her to consider one. I even went so far as to look at used mail jeeps. The newer trucks are pricey, but the old style small jeeps you can pick up for a very reasonable price. Believe it or not people run around their farms and stuff on them. The mileage sucks but having something with right hand drive would be worth it to avoid all that reaching and bending.

      • mothy67 says:

        Not the case here. Former carrier is on disability(over two years) but it is “her” route so they added a little more to others. Very dense single homes with mailboxes on the porch. They walk. Saturdays the mail person wears street clothes so I assume he’s contracted. People get meds delivered. Much needed meds. I don’t care about a book. My point was the spirit. We all make mistakes, but repeatedly? According to glassdoor salary is between 33 and 66k. I bought the brat Beats. Left on stoop. They were a few hundred(for frigging headset, ugh). I got them but could have gone to wrong house. Makes me reluctant to continue ordering.
        More of a sense that the attitude of workers, especially the young and government employees is broken. I think its top down. Look at the total incompetence of this administration. We have a CiC saying presidenting is hard. Duh.

        • Lulu says:

          Our local post office is great. Both at the PO and the carriers. Always nice and helpful. But… mail gets mis-routed frequently before it comes to our PO and there is nothing they can do about it. I am supposed to order my drug refills through a mail in pharmacy according to our insurance plan. The mega mail pharmacy is in Chicago. They are OK. But more than half of the drug packages are sent to California or Florida or even Massachusetts instead of a big routing center in Texas when shipped out of Chicago PO. The Chicago postal service can’t route anything it seems correctly. Then they sit for a week in the wrong place before being correctly re-routed. I have tracking on these packages so I can watch them sit in the wrong mail center for days at a time. My local PO has even called on stuff for me and all they get is lip and hostility. So I order a month early. Defensive action is all we got.

  17. DeniseVB says:

    Scott Adams *live* now….

    • Lulu says:

      Adams is now going through what half of Democrats went through in 2008. Welcome to the club Scott.

      • Lulu says:

        And low level threat thuggery is TERRORISM! They terrorize people to make them shut up and do what they want. Hillary is the TERRORIST candidate. The only thing that differentiates her from ISIS is degree.

  18. Kathy says:

    Just read his new piece on bullying..really good.

  19. Dora says:

  20. Dora says:

    “Executive Orders For Sale”: Leaked Email Shows Hillary Auctioning Off ‘Laws’ To The Highest Bidder

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-25/executive-orders-sale-leaked-email-shows-hillary-auctioning-laws-highest-bidder

  21. votermom says:

    and Mothy, I answered your comment

  22. Anthony says:

    First they ignore you… check
    Then they laugh at you… check
    Then they fight you… check
    Then you win

    One more step to go. C’mon, feet – don’t fail me now! 😀

    • DeniseVB says:

      Listening to Rush while mowing and he was playing the NBC broadcasts from election night 1980 with Carter up by 9 points, he had conceded the election to Reagan before the polls closed in California 🙂 I have hope! Fun listening to those old pundits make sense of it. They couldn’t.

      • Somebody says:

        Was it the 1980 or the 1984 election that made Dan Rather cry and tell everyone it wasn’t too late to vote?? I vaguely remember that.

    • lateblum says:

      You go, guy!!
      Vote early, then come here and vote often… 😉

  23. DandyTIger says:

    Scott Adams got three simultaneous hit pieces against him today. He’s a bit miffed. And is now back to endorsing Trump. 🙂

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152293480726/the-bully-party

  24. mothy67 says:

    Oh this poor young woman actually went beyond the screen door to come on to the porch and ring the bell. She is knocking for Hillary. She is never going to escape. Trump will be my mother’s first ever vote for a Republican. Woman can talk and talk and talk. She is all over facebook pro Trump. Bought a red sweater to vote. Second canvasser, last week another woman was putting info in mailbox. I had to tell her that’s illegal. When I did it for hillary they made sure we knew that.

  25. helenk3 says:

    http://soopermexican.com/2016/10/25/boom-wikileaks-shows-staff-panic-when-obama-lies-about-hillarys-emails/

    wikileaks—-cheryl mills ” OH SHIT” moment when she finds out the president lied about hillary’s emails

  26. Dora says:

    OMG – I feel so old!

  27. Hillary Clinton’s chief of staff privately told colleagues that President Barack Obama had falsely claimed he was unaware of Clinton’s use of a private email system while she was secretary of state, hacked emails reveal.

    “We need to clean this up,” top Clinton aide Cheryl Mills told campaign chairman John Podesta in an email a month before Clinton’s campaign officially launched. She was responding to Obama’s claim that he found out about Clinton’s personal email address at “the same time everybody else learned it through news reports.”

    “He has emails from her – they do not say state.gov,” Mills told Podesta.

    The email came less than a week after the New York Times broke the story on Clinton’s use of a private email address to conduct official State Department business.

    Subsequent interviews by the FBI in the course of its probe into Clinton’s email practices revealed that Obama had emailed Clinton at her personal address using a pseudonym.

    Two days after Mills’ email, White House press secretary Josh Earnest acknowledged that Obama had emailed Clinton at her personal address, but said that was consistent with his public remarks.

    “The point that the president was making is not that he didn’t know Secretary Clinton’s email address, he did,” Earnest said. “But he was not aware of the details of how that email address and that server had been set up or how Secretary Clinton and her team were planning to comply with the Federal Records Act.”

    However, the wording of the question to Obama appears to contradict that explanation.

    • CiscoKid says:

      If true, I think rosie says it better than I can.
      2016
      “All I would say to this article is remember the name Eric Braverman. If he turns up dead like all the others, then we know who is behind the murder. (They will try and make it look like a suicide.) We have to get Trump in to clean house of all the corruption in Gov’t. Killer Hillary definitely belongs behind bars.”
      ps, the size or the crowd at Tallahassee is mind boggling.

    • mothy67 says:

      Bing search gives three news results none of which I recognize. Please let it be true.

  28. mothy67 says:

    T-Mobile users on Tuesdays they give you free stuff. I like free stuff. I rented the new Independence Day for free(5 credit do SD instead of HD) also has a 15 free lyft ride to be used only today and a free Frosty.

  29. CiscoKid says:

    Trump rally is in Sanford, Florida.
    Trump just commented that Fox “reported” that very few people are there.
    And the media can’t understand why we don’t believe them.

  30. taw46 says:

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