Left-Wing History Lessons

Japanese pilot's view of the attack on Pearl Harbor

Japanese pilot’s view of the attack on Pearl Harbor


This was posted last night at Buffoon Juice:

Today marks the 75th anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. For the US it was perceived as an unprovoked attack, which broke the domestic political logjam and brought the US into WW II. From the Japanese perspective it was a response to the economic warfare that the US had been waging on Japan since 1939. This included the US embargo on oil going to Japan.

From 1939 through 1941 the US and Japan were locked into a security dilemma (insecurity spiral) as the result of strategic miscommunication – the miscommunication of policy choices and strategic decisions on both sides. As the Japanese attempted to increase their influence throughout Asia, through the use of both economic and military power, the US sought to check them through the use of economic power. A significant portion of the Roosevelt Administration’s response, which was the result of the preferences of President Roosevelt and Secretaries Stimson, Morgenthau, and Ickes, was to adopt the Open Door Policy for China and impose economic sanctions and actions to limit Japan’s activities in Asia. The US policy was to bankrupt the Japanese and therefore stop their expansionism within Asia. The Japanese response was to utilize military power to get out from under the US’s actions – the attack at Pearl Harbor.

So while we take a moment and consider the events of that day, and those who lost their lives at Pearl Harbor, there is an important lesson to be relearned as 2016 gives way to 2017. Strategic preferences for policy decisions and the actions taken on them have consequences. For every problem solved or resolved as the result of a successful policy and strategy, new problems arise and are created. And context matters. How one’s allies, partners, and competitors understand what you are doing is as important as how you understand it. Failure to account for this is the difference between policy success and strategic failure.


See? It was our fault the Japanese attacked. It was all a big misunderstanding. I’m guessing that the author of this post cribbed his info from Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States”. I’m also guessing the author thinks bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes.

Here is a more accurate version of history:

War between Japan and the United States had been a possibility of which each nation had been aware (and developed contingency plans for) since the 1920s, though tensions did not begin to grow seriously until Japan’s 1931 invasion of Manchuria. Over the next decade, Japan continued to expand into China, leading to all-out war between those countries in 1937. Japan spent considerable effort trying to isolate China and achieve sufficient resource independence to attain victory on the mainland; the “Southern Operation” was designed to assist these efforts.[22]

From December 1937, events such as the Japanese attack on USS Panay, the Allison incident, and the Nanking Massacre (the International Military Tribunal of the Far East concluded that more than 200,000 Chinese non-combatants were killed in indiscriminate massacres, though other estimates have ranged from 40,000 to more than 300,000) swung public opinion in the West sharply against Japan. Fearing Japanese expansion,[23] the United States, the United Kingdom, and France provided loan assistance for war supply contracts to the Republic of China.

In 1940, Japan invaded French Indochina in an effort to control supplies reaching China. The United States halted shipments of airplanes, parts, machine tools, and aviation gasoline to Japan, which was perceived by Japan as an unfriendly act.[nb 5] The U.S. did not stop oil exports to Japan at that time in part because prevailing sentiment in Washington was that such an action would be an extreme step that Japan would likely consider a provocation, given Japanese dependence on U.S. oil.[25][26]

Early in 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt moved the Pacific Fleet to Hawaii from its previous base in San Diego and ordered a military buildup in the Philippines in the hope of discouraging Japanese aggression in the Far East. Because the Japanese high command was (mistakenly) certain that any attack on the UK’s Southeast Asian colonies, including Singapore,[27] would bring the U.S. into war, a devastating preventive strike appeared to be the only way to avoid U.S. naval interference.[28] An invasion of the Philippines was also considered necessary by Japanese war planners. The U.S. War Plan Orange had envisioned defending the Philippines with a 40,000-man elite force. This was opposed by Douglas MacArthur, who felt that he would need a force ten times that size, and was never implemented.[29] By 1941, U.S. planners anticipated abandonment of the Philippines at the outbreak of war and orders to that effect were given in late 1941 to Admiral Thomas Hart, commander of the Asiatic Fleet.[30]

The U.S. ceased oil exports to Japan in July 1941, following Japanese expansion into French Indochina after the fall of France, in part because of new American restrictions on domestic oil consumption.[31] This in turn caused the Japanese to proceed with plans to take the Dutch East Indies, an oil-rich territory.[nb 6] On August 17, Roosevelt warned Japan that the U.S. was prepared to take steps against Japan if it attacked “neighboring countries”.[33] The Japanese were faced with the option of either withdrawing from China and losing face or seizing and securing new sources of raw materials in the resource-rich, European-controlled colonies of Southeast Asia.


Make no mistake – Imperial Japan was evil. They had a lot in common with Nazi Germany, their allies in that war. Because of eurocentrism and subsequent events in Korea, China, and Vietnam, the full extent of Japanese war crimes has never received the same attention paid to the Holocaust and the Nuremberg Trials.


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  1. Lulu says:

    Yes Imperial Japan was just a victim of the US in 1939. The Rape of Nanking had nothing to do with it because China made them do it you see. “The massacre occurred over a period of six weeks starting on December 13, 1937, the day that the Japanese captured Nanjing. During this period, soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army murdered Chinese civilians and disarmed combatants who numbered an estimated 40,000 to over 300,000, and perpetrated widespread rape and looting.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre Poor, poor Japan. /s Everyone in Asia hated the bastards. They were monsters. The US hobbled them b thy using the bomb so the rest of Asia could live.

    • DeniseVB says:

      George Takei ‘s still not over it.

      • DandyTIger says:

        The internment was wrong. The country apologized. We shouldn’t do that kind of shit. But to then pretend there is a threat of doing that to muslims or others is crazy. That kind hyperbole and fear mongering has the opposite effect they intend. Sort of liking claiming racism at any criticism of BLM, including the slaughter of police by BLM activists. At some point the words and their efforts are made meaningless.

      • Lulu says:

        And while the Imperial Japanese Army was murdering and raping and stealing everything across most of Asia, Japan wanted the US to kiss their ass. They got an oil embargo instead. Then stupidly they bombed Pearl Harbor which led to the nuclear bombing of their homeland because they would not stop killing everyone including their own people. So. Fuck. You. George. Takei. You. Ignorant. Bigot.

      • swanspirit says:

        It’s becoming clear as to why Shatner didn’t like him.

  2. On December 13, about 30 soldiers came to a Chinese house at #5 Hsing Lu Koo in the southeastern part of Nanking, and demanded entrance. The door was open by the landlord, a Mohammedan named Ha. They killed him immediately with a revolver and also Mrs. Ha, who knelt before them after Ha’s death, begging them not to kill anyone else. Mrs. Ha asked them why they killed her husband and they shot her. Mrs. Hsia was dragged out from under a table in the guest hall where she had tried to hide with her 1 year old baby. After being stripped and raped by one or more men, she was bayoneted in the chest, and then had a bottle thrust into her vagina. The baby was killed with a bayonet. Some soldiers then went to the next room, where Mrs. Hsia’s parents, aged 76 and 74, and her two daughters aged 16 and 14 [were]. They were about to rape the girls when the grandmother tried to protect them. The soldiers killed her with a revolver. The grandfather grasped the body of his wife and was killed. The two girls were then stripped, the elder being raped by 2–3 men, and the younger by 3. The older girl was stabbed afterwards and a cane was rammed in her vagina. The younger girl was bayoneted also but was spared the horrible treatment that had been meted out to her sister and mother. The soldiers then bayoneted another sister of between 7–8, who was also in the room. The last murders in the house were of Ha’s two children, aged 4 and 2 respectively. The older was bayoneted and the younger split down through the head with a sword.[62]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre#Massacre_of_civilians

    • DandyTIger says:

      They seemed nice.

    • Propertius says:

      There’s a pretty substantial Nanking denialist movement in Japan, which closely parallels the Holocaust denialist movement that exists in Europe. Unlike German schoolchildren, Japanese kids learn almost no details of their country’s actions during WWII. War criminals like Tojo are enshrined at Yasukuni Jinja (the Shinto shrine to Japanese war dead, close to the palace in downtown Tokyo), which has made the shrine a rallying point for Japanese ultra-right nationalist organizations like Nippon Kaigi and the Japan Nation Party.

      When I lived in Tokyo, my office was just a couple of blocks away from Yasukuni Jinja, and those yahoos would be out there almost every day haranguing passers-by with bullhorns and soundtrucks, calling for Japanese rearmament (particularly with nukes), for the (then) new Emperor to restore tradition and declare himself divine and for the “rehabilitation” of Japanese war criminals.

      My understanding is that Admiral Yamamoto, who planned the attack on Pear Harbor, was vehemently opposed to launching the attack and considered it both dishonorable and a terrible blunder. He had lived in the US, and felt that the Japanese leadership grossly underestimated the American response to such an action.

      He was right.

  3. votermom says:

  4. Re-posting this from last night.

  5. Dora says:

    I saw this over at CTH and just had to steal it. 🙂

  6. XFR says:

    Did that get your attention? Good.

    Please excuse my going off-topic here MyIQ, and let me repost what I wrote a couple of weeks ago on Ian Welsh’s blog:

    So far, President-Elect Trump has been no scarier than Candidate Trump…overall, much less so, really, and Candidate Trump fared proportionally better in the NYT exit poll among women and ethnic minorities than Romney in 2012. Most of that gain is due to low turnout on the Dem side, but turnout also fell, though not as much, on the Republican side, and one might reasonably expect people facing an existential threat to turn out en masse. Nothing has changed since the election to make Trump particularly scarier, so I don’t buy the panicked attitude of the mainstream press and hard-core Dem partisans.

    What I see in them is not fear, but hysteria. The feeling I get is not 1933, but 2003, when Saddam Hussein’s balsa wood anthrax drones were 40 minutes away from wiping out civilization as we know it.

    In that case, the hysteria was directed toward ginning up a phony threat to provide cover for Bush launching what was in reality a war of aggression, in complete and utter violation of the U.N. charter. The insanely stupid drone idea was the only way that the U.S. could allege that broken, bombed-out, and starving Iraq posed an existential threat to the greatest military power on Earth.

    Here the goal looks to be to provide cover for an 11th-hour coup against Trump in the Electoral College, in complete and utter violation of democratic tradition. The insanely stupid idea that a horrific despot just spent two years campaigning without any sector of general public really seeming to notice is the only way to allege an existential threat to American democracy that could possibly justify throwing out the result of a democratic election.

    (To any smartasses who are now rearing to point out that, on paper, the EC can throw out an election result–I’d just like to point out that the Canadian Senate and British House of Lords can, on paper, refuse to pass legislation approved by the House of Commons, and that the British Monarch can, on paper, refuse to sign legislation passed by Parliament into law. Everyone knows those powers are vestiges of a pre-democratic era, and that to exercise them now would be every bit as intolerable and outrageous as a breach of the written constitution.)

    So far, Trump looks pretty bad (though not totally so–a federal mandate for paid maternity leave is looking likely now), but Clinton would have been infinitely worse. The TPP, which was being set up to be rammed through the lame-duck Congress and the Japanese Diet in the weeks following Clinton’s “inevitable” election (which would have made it a fait accompli), would have crushed any hope of meaningful progressive economic reform for a generation and possibly for much longer. Every sign seemed to be pointing to a conflagration with Russia that could easily have blown up into a full-on nuclear exchange.

    Right now the idea being floated among the pearl-clutchers seems to be to either reverse the election result or else have the EC install a “normal” Republican who wouldn’t “existentially threaten” women and ethnic minorities–the same women and ethnic minorities who inexplicably somehow failed to perceive any exceptional threat from Trump on election day–or “existentially threaten” American democracy–the way throwing out an election result most certainly wouldn’t.

    Far all practical purposes, Clinton is a “normal” Republican already, so installing one rather than her would be a distinction without a difference.

    I’m noticing three separate strands being hammered on by the mass media in the wake of the election result–

    1. Trump is an evil maniac despot who will overthrow the system and plunge us all into a totalitarian Dark Age

    2. Trump is an idiot and a buffoon and totally incompetent to run a hot-dog stand much less a government

    3. Trump is just the same-old-same-old…the people who voted for him hoping for any significant change were sadly duped.

    1 is basically irreconcilable with 2 and totally irreconcilable with 3 so this obviously isn’t a real political stance but rather a propaganda strategy. All three go to delegitimizing the Trump victorry among some sector of the public. 1 & 2, while contradictory, both could provide cover for an EC coup, so they may have both been thrown out in the hopes of seeing which one is more likely to stick (or hell, maybe just go with both, logical consistency is overrated anyway.)

    In short, it is a really, REALLY, bad idea to play along with the “Trumpocalypse” narrative. So please don’t.

    And later:

    And I’d just like to say here, for whatever it’s worth, that the campaign to overturn the election in the EC is a deadly serious threat to American democracy and to treat it as the handiwork of a bunch of shrinking violets is foolhardy.

    There needs to be a counter-campaign in support of the faithful electors organized now or things could get very VERY ugly.

    I have no useful connections on the right-wing side of things. This is one of the few right-wing blogs I’m familiar with so I came here. But someone needs to get on this RIGHT NOW. The possible consequences of complacency are too scary to contemplate.

      • votermom says:

        Maybe we’re shift-right, or tab-right?

      • DeniseVB says:

        LOL. I didn’t think “deplorables” had an ideology, we’re despised by the left and the right 😀

      • 49erDweet says:

        Maybe control-alt-shift-right, but that’s it.

      • helenk3 says:

        my youngest grand daughter thinks I am a right winger. I laughed when she said it. I was a dem for almost 50 years and only woke up in 2008. The last thing I am is a right winger. I consider myself a moderate.

      • swanspirit says:

        John Cole called me a right wing tea bagger, does that count?? BWAAAHHAAHHAA NOTHING John Cole says counts ROFLMAO

      • XFR says:

        I always thought of The Confluence and The Crawdad Hole as twin left-wing and right-wing blogs before things got ugly between you. Alright, I take it back then, you’re not right wing. Fair enough.

        But someone needs to start rallying a counter-campaign instead of making fun of “snowflakes” or speculating about what might happen if worse came to worse. I’d prefer never to have to find out.

        • Somebody says:

          I’d say most here on TCH are moderates. In fact we’ve all participated in various ideological surveys and tests that placed us in the center. Some slightly left of center and some slightly right of center. I was amused on one test NYC dwelling Anthony was slightly right of me, a life long southern republican, LOL!

          As for the electoral college coup, I don’t think it’s going to happen. There are always rumors and threats of this and that. If such a thing we’re to happen there would be a revolution. I do think the left and the Republican establishment seek to undermine Trump, but there is only so far they’ll go…….overturning the vote is a bridge too far even for them.

        • 49erDweet says:

          TCH’ers are mostly experienced, excellent bullcrap sniffers. That’s the underlying theme I’ve seen here. Plus most of us (with certain exceptions) don’t think we’re the smartest person in the room. Even though we usually are.

      • Propertius says:

        Yes 😉

    • votermom says:

      Mark Steyn had a great point yesterday – he said that the Left is playing a dangerous game with the attempt to make the Electors vote for someone else. If they succeed they are telling the people that there is no peaceful way to change the direction the country is going in. They are saying elections don’t matter.

      To which I would add, everyone on the right knows what the next step is to save democracy when both soap box and ballot box fail.

    • Propertius says:

      XFR, I take issue with this statement:

      and that the British Monarch can, on paper, refuse to sign legislation passed by Parliament into law. Everyone knows those powers are vestiges of a pre-democratic era, and that to exercise them now would be every bit as intolerable and outrageous as a breach of the written constitution.)

      Yet the Queen has in fact exercised her veto – and to a much greater extent than had previously been believed. See: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/14/secret-papers-royals-veto-bills. She retains the power to declare war on her own initiative (one of the bills she vetoed would have transferred that power to Parliament). Unlike Presidential vetoes in the US, royal vetoes cannot be overridden.

      It should also be pointed out that she retains similar authority over legislation in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and other Commonwealth countries, both directly and through the Governors-General (who are royal appointees). To my knowledge that authority has not been exercised in modern times. My favorite Canadian refers to this situation as “a barbaric anachronism”. Since she’s the one with the PhD in poli-sci, I defer to her expert opinion (btw, she has also referred to the American constitution as “the most brilliant plan of government ever devised by the mind of man”).

      I certainly agree with you about the EC – one of the most disgusting things I’ve seen this year (and that’s saying something) is the spectacle of Americans calling for “soft coup” on the part of EC members against this election. It’s vile, undemocratic (small-d), and hypocritical – particularly since a lot of these very same people were clutching their pearls a few weeks ago over the prospect of Trump challenging a Hillary victory. I didn’t vote for Trump, but he won – fair and square. People should just grow up and deal with it.

  7. DeniseVB says:

    I literally laughed out loud. Hot Sauce Wars?

    • Sort of like the hop wars and beer.

      • DeniseVB says:

        LOL, my dad made what was called “home brew” in our basement in the 60’s. I used to help him (in my innocent teens) when it came time to bottle his vat of drunkeness, a siphon and a bottle to fill, then seal, repeat x50. I could never hand him the next bottle fast enough while he held the siphon tube in his mouth. Mom would bring down a pillow and blankie for him on Bottling Night. Probably why I’ve never had a taste for beer. 🙂

  8. Dora says:

    Talking about the Japanese – Hubby recently brought home a movie he found at the library and thought looked interesting. Neither of us had heard of it before, but the cast was good, as was the story, so we gave it a try. Well, it was a terrific movie. I would recommended it to anybody.

    It’s called The Railway Man and stars Colin Firth and Nicole Kidman. It’s a true story about a man who was held by the Japanese in Burma and his attempt to deal with the memories of that experience. The movie was filmed on location, the acting was great and I can’t say enough about it.

    I have to admit that when the film ended, I couldn’t stop crying for ten minutes.

    The DVD had a bonus section in which the actors were interviewed. Colin Firth said that not enough attention is given to the brutality and the war crimes of the Japanese soldiers. I agree.

    • Lulu says:

      My father’s best childhood friend was in the Baatan Death March. He said the only reason he survived is because he grew up poor in hot, humid rural east Texas hunting and fishing and knew how to feed himself off the land and was tougher physically than those SOB Japanese soldiers. His health (metal and physical) was ruined for the rest of his life and he died in his fifties after decades of illness. He was a decent, brave and good person. I do not want to hear any of the crap about the poor Japanese during that era. None.

      • Propertius says:

        One of the oddest things that happened to me when I was living in Japan occurred when I was visiting one of the northern wards in Tokyo with a thirtysomething Japanese acquaintance (this was in ’90 or ’91). We came across a shop named “Bataan”. He didn’t understand why I found the name offensive, so I explained the Death March to him. He’d never heard of it. WWII history is heavily censored in the Japanese school system.

  9. helenk3 says:

    Statement: AFL-CIO endorses Rep. Keith Ellison for DNC chair – @aterkel
    See original on twitter.com

    another win for the GOP next election

  10. lyn says:

  11. helenk3 says:

    maybe the left should talk to some of the survivors of the Bataan death march. The Japanese believed that it was a dishonor to surrender. You should kill your self before doing so. The troops that surrendered in the Phillipines were treated as scum and should die. Ask some of the people in the Japanese death camps how great they were.
    Funny thing about the left , they seem to hate America and all she stands for, but they are first in line to accept the freedoms, and fruits of her greatness.

  12. votermom says:

    gabber asking for RT’s

    https://gab.ai/stef/posts/2547419

    • DeniseVB says:

      I’m rooting for Monica, Laura or Milo for Press Secretary. Of course, it should be Kellyanne, she’s fearless too and this isn’t going to be a “normal” WH press corpse.

  13. helenk3 says:

    https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/12/08/20511/meet-10-shadowy-groups-snuck-your-state-races

    interesting article. seems like a lot of interference in our elections. not a good thing

  14. DeniseVB says:

    This is about right, right? 😉

    • swanspirit says:

      Looks like something John Cole would do. Except if John did it , he would fall over a cable holding the snowman, Frosty would fall on him, and he would get an e!ectric shock and have to go to the hospital. He would then try and sue the oiwners for the cost of his medical bills.

  15. Dora says:

    ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    • NBD says:

      Hawaii is the bluest state in this (disintegrating) union. I could care less what happens to some proggy islands. The Weather Channel footage is likely to be fun, though.

      • Somebody says:

        Do what? We have thousands of military members stationed there. I pray everyone in Hawaii is OK, even the most leftward leaning liberal. I pray for safety for ALL Americans in every state.

        I agree Hawaii is the bluest of blue states, but just like California where Klown and 49er reside, not everyone there is a vile prog.

        • 49erDweet says:

          OTOH, 49er’s actually looking forward to watching a big hunk of CA slip out towards Catalina Island. Fun! Fun! Fun! And lots of new beach front property!!!

  16. helenk3 says:

    had to steal this from no quarter

  17. taw46 says:

    Wish I were in London so I could shop there. Idiot lefties strike again.

  18. Dora says:

    No mention of the mother.

  19. helenk3 says:

    John Glenn died today

    • helenk3 says:

      Ohio State University President Michael V. Drake on death of John Glenn: ‘Senator Glenn was a decorated U.S. Marine aviator, legendary NASA astronaut, tireless public servant, and an unparalleled supporter of The John Glenn College of Public Affairs at Ohio State, where he served actively as an adjunct professor until just recently. He was an authentic hero whose courage, integrity, sacrifice and achievements inspired people, young and old, around the world’
      End of alert
      Ohio, US
      7m
      John Glenn, astronaut and former US senator from Ohio, has died at age 95 – Columbus Dispatch
      Read more on dispatch.com

    • DeniseVB says:

      Godspeed John Glenn 😦 A true American hero and one of my childhood idols. JFK made that happen, Obama sent boys to the girls’ bathroom.

    • lateblum says:

      God bless you, John Glenn. The earth has been graced with your honesty, integrity, and courage. He was the ultimate hero who risked his life more than once, on behalf of humankind.
      R I P

    • taw46 says:

      Just breaks my heart. The last of the Mercury astronauts, one of the original seven.

    • helenk3 says:

    • taw46 says:

      When I worked at KSC, I saw him several times but never met him. I did meet and chat with his wife Annie, she is a lovely person.

      Before Scott Carpenter died, both he and John Glenn appeared at KSC at one of the anniversary events for the Mercury program. It was all people who worked on that program with their individual stories. Lots of humor, especially from Glenn and Carpenter.

      I was so fortunate to take a family out on tour with Carpenter, to Cape Canaveral. I took them to the old Hangar S where they stayed before launches and to their old launch pad SLC 14. Not much left of it now, but blockhouse is still there. I will always treasure those stories Scott Carpenter told us about himself and the other Mercury astronauts.

      Now they are all gone. Godspeed, John Glenn. Heroes indeed.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Thanks for sharing ❤

        • taw46 says:

          I always loved the space program, but even more so working out there and meeting many astronauts and others who made the programs happen. I am just sad tonight, especially for the NASA people who are such a close-knit family. And like all of you, I find it hard to see us lose a part of our history. Brings back all the memories of the early glory days of space.

      • Somebody says:

        I met Neil Armstrong once, except at the time I didn’t realize he was Neil Armstrong. I was with my youngest at the National Air and Space museum out at Dulles. We happened to be there the day they were flying in one of the retired space shuttles, The Discovery I think…..one of them went to the museum at Dulles. We had no idea, we just happened to be in town and it was one of the museums we hadn’t been to before.

        We were walking through the space exhibit area of the museum and I offered such insight to my daughter as…….”Hey, see that airstream trailer? That’s where they quarantined the astronauts in case of moon germs”…..LMAO. They have all these different engines and what not in that area and my daughter started asking questions…..like a kid….why is this here? Why is it important. I’m trying to read WTH each thing is, understand it and explain it to her. (This is her father’s territory, he’s the aviation buff) She was about 11 or 12 at the time. This nice man nearby piped in to explain the importance and the actual sequence of rocket development, boy he sure knew a lot about those engines! Heck he knew all about different space missions and lots of details about navigation to the moon. He asked my daughter what school she went to, she told him she was homeschooled, yikes epic fail on my part, LOL!

        Well the next thing you know this nice man took us all over that museum. He knew SO much, he LOVED how curious my daughter was and to make sure she was taking the information in he’d quiz her every once in awhile. Just a super nice guy, like a personal tour. In fact I asked him if he worked at the museum….blush. As we walked around there were signs about a symposium that evening at the museum regarding the Obama changes to NASA’s mission. We talked about that, in fact he shared with me he was there not only to see the shuttle but for the pow wow that evening. He said he was upset about the changes and he knew a lot of people that were also upset. I was upset too and I shared that……..like my concerns rated anywhere near Neil effing Armstrong’s.

        That nice man never did tell me his name, but I asked a couple of times because he was really smart…..honestly he explained all those engines and the significance of all those planes. He seemed to change the subject when I tried to figure out who he was and how he knew so much. Then, one night on the news they said that Neil Armstrong passed away and they had a picture of him from that very day. The news said that symposium…….meeting whatever it was on NASA’s mission changes was his last public appearance. As soon as I saw that picture I recognized him as the nice man that took us on a tour of the museum. I went through my photos because I had taken a couple of pictures of that nice man and my daughter, yep it was him……..Neil Armstrong……but he never once let on who he was. Suddenly I felt like a complete dumbass, but in my defense he didn’t look the same as the images from when he walked on the moon.

        • swanspirit says:

          Great story! Gave me chills!

        • lateblum says:

          What a nice way to remember him. 🚀🚀

        • taw46 says:

          Oh my, Somebody, what a wonderful story. I had chills as well. I am not surprised he did not give his name. I knew some of the Apollo astronauts, one pretty well. Armstrong was very visible for a time after his flight, appeared all over the world. You can see video clips of him, quite outgoing. The astronaut told me that Neil stopped the public appearances, because people wanted to touch him, ask him about the moon, because he was the first (12 walked on the moon). It wasn’t that he resented it, just he didn’t feel he deserved hero status and could not escape it.

          He did continue to go to KSC for launches and anniversary dinners, but all low key and out of the public eye. Once he was there for a documentary filming, can’t remember which one. The security guard told me they were at the Apollo Saturn V Center, walking through the building. No one recognized him, as you said he was older then. But he saw one tourist filming Armstrong, the only one who recognized him (a real space buff). He had to go and ask him to please not say anything to anyone there.

          You and your daughter had a great and special gift that day!

      • Mt.Laurel says:

        The NASA program was a beacon of light in uncertain times. Thanks for sharing and here’s hoping that some of today’s children will once again be inspired by the wonders of the universe and the potential discoveries through space exploration.

        • taw46 says:

          I hope so. Florida does a wonderful job taking school groups there. Brevard County (where KSC is located) Schools along with NASA/Aerospace companies have 2 big programs every year to get every school child out to KSC. We would also see school groups from other states, as well as International (mostly India).

    • taw46 says:

      NASA selected John Glenn to fly shuttle mission STS-95 in 1998, making him the oldest person in space at 77 yrs. But NASA was also a little concerned, so they assigned astronaut Scott Parazynski, also a physician, to the mission. Scott tells a funny story how he thought he would have to “look after” Glenn, both during training and the mission. Then in the training sessions, Glenn beat them all and was the first one to complete the tasks. He was in excellent condition. The man flew his own plane well into his eighties, and he would drive he and Annie on long trips until just a few years ago.

  20. DeniseVB says:

    True story…

  21. CiscoKid says:

    Been searching all day to find the words, I can’t.
    The last of a breed of men who reached for the stars in Americas infant space program to put a man on the moon.
    And we did because of pioneers like John Glenn.
    Hand salute sir, RIP

  22. Dora says:

  23. helenk3 says:

    backtrack wants an 18% raise in expenses for ex-presidents. this scuzzbucket has screwed the taxpayer for 8 years living large on our dime and he wants us to keep on paying. I don’t think so

  24. westcoaster says:

    from a few days ago on PJ Media: (my favorite: “Spending their days in a pink haze of bias”)
    https://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/2016/12/06/why-are-leftists-such-pansies/

  25. helenk3 says:

    this is perfect for this post

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2016/12/a-date-that-will-live-forever-in-infamy.html?

    how the NYT would report Pearl Harbor today

  26. swanspirit says:

    Evidently, stupid hurts a lot. This idiot professor gets stabbed by a terrorist. Is “put off” about what Donald Trump said about immigration. SMH

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/8/william-clark-osu-professor-injured-in-knife-attac/

  27. votermom says:

    Drudge has a really awkward pic of Hillary at Reid’s event

  28. CiscoKid says:

    Zakaria and Obama Agree: America Wasn’t Ready for a Black President”
    No, black, white, pink or purple America wasn’t read for a President that hated America and was out to destroy it via “fundamental transformation “

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