Does Size Matter?

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Recent headlines:

President Trump’s inauguration crowd was smaller than Obama’s

Donald Trump’s inaugural crowds don’t quite measure up to Barack Obama’s

Women’s March in Washington Had 3 Times as Many People as Trump’s Inauguration

White House press secretary attacks media for accurately reporting inauguration crowds

Trump Attacks News Media Over Reporting on Crowd Sizes


Does crowd size matter? Not really.

To give Obama his due, it’s no surprise that his 2008 crowd was easily the largest ever. He received the most votes of any presidential candidate in history that year, a record that still stands. He succeeded a president whose job approval had cratered, so he was greeted with jubilation by everyone not a part of the activist right. And of course he was the first black president, whose inauguration was historic beyond the usual reasons. It’ll be a long time before any president meets that benchmark of excitement. But Democrats have institutional reasons for drawing bigger crowds in Washington too. It’s a heavily Democratic city; it stands to reason that inaugurating a Democratic president will draw many more local onlookers than inaugurating someone from the other party would.

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Obama’s in a class by himself but note that Bill Clinton’s first inaugural after 12 years of Republican rule wasn’t far off the pace of O’s second inaugural even though the country’s population was much larger by 2012. The best numbers for a Republican are only half what Clinton drew. Democratic locals are going to turn out for Democrats; a city packed with federal workers is going to turn out for candidates who support bigger government payrolls; and D.C.’s many black residents were surely understandably eager to see the first black president sworn in. If the inauguration were held in, say, Salt Lake City, the partisan dynamics to all of this would be much different. Add to that the fact that it was rainy today in D.C. and there are bound to be lots of people who stayed home but would have turned out in better conditions. And even with all of that working against him, Trump did fine crowd-wise. One informal estimate put the size at 250,000, but another noted that the number of Metro trips made this morning was on par with the number made for Bush’s second inaugural, which would put Trump in line for the biggest crowd for a Republican president ever.


Washington D.C. is just a few hours drive from the Democrat-infested cities of Baltimore, Philadelphia, and NYC. Trump’s base of support is located farther away. That gives Democrats the home-field advantage.

But there is another big reason for the difference in crowd sizes – organization. Turning out big crowds has never been something that Republicans were good at. Democrats on the other hand, specialize in whipping up mobs. That’s because they are better organized. The only really organized part of the GOP is the religious right, and they are generally focused on right-to-life protesting.

Democrats have the unions, the black churches, feminist groups, pro-abortion groups, civil rights groups, anti-war groups, students, LGBT groups, environmentalist groups, bra-burners, tree-huggers, racial grievance mongers, and animal rights groups. They also have financing and media support. The word goes out, the buses are loaded and viola, instant crowd.

That was what was so amazing about the Tea Party and Trump rallies – they both turned out big crowds despite a lack of centralized planning and cooperation.

So yesterday there was a big march on Washington and a bunch of smaller marches around the country. Signs were waved, speeches were made, a good time was had by the participants.

Today, Trump is still President. He’ll still be President tomorrow too. And next week.


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155 Responses to Does Size Matter?

    • DeniseVB says:

      If you look at that photo you will see a giant white structure at the base of the monument which blocked thousands more from the media view. Not to mention those of us at the actual base had our view of the Capitol Bldg. and Mall blocked. They gave Obama a much bigger security area which included the hill surrounding the monument, according to someone who attended his ’09 inaug. We were blocked from moving further down the Mall from there too. I’m starting to think it was on purpose, since we were coming into that area from a checkpoint that let the protesters get in our faces and really slow down the entry. I was lucky to get to the Jumbotron about 5 minutes before the Oath, but there were many more people who didn’t get through. I had arrived 2 hours early.

      Adjusting tinfoil hat: Since that was Obama’s NPS at the time, do you suppose one of them said HOLY F**K, this is turning into a bigger crowd than Obama’s, release the protesters to slow this sh*t down! I betcha’ 😉

      There is nothing more beautiful than the views from the base of the Monument towards Lincoln and the Capitol. This was the view last Friday, can you see the people on the Mall in front of the Capitol Bldg? Didn’t think so.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Just found a photo from Obama ’09. Notice the difference?

      • Mt.Laurel says:

        The group of staff for the various congress critters next to us at the concert said in reviewing seating and access for the next day that they had already noticed how much smaller the area was that had been set aside for both the concert and the inauguration than previous events even though a larger portion of the city was closed for security. I was in town for Poppy Bush and Clinton and it did appear far more confined. I assumed security – but it also could be that there was a push to downsize once the found that the Queen was not being coroneted like her predecessor.

        There was an initial estimate of 900,000 for Trump which disappeared quickly. I think what set this off was the MSM trying to push there were only 250,000 for the inauguration. There were 250,000 in the seated reserved sections alone so they are not courting other pass holders in the larger areas immediately adjacent nor all the people (the majority) who did not have passes or tickets.

        One again, the initial counts being given for the pinky brigade were 250,000 which also disappeared and was replaced with half a million. My neighbor said the women staying with her were given metro cards and asked to ride the metro around town and get and get one and off various metro stops to up the clicks being counted at each station. According to her, one woman said there were a few groups that did the all day along with others who were getting Uber drives around and around. She said she could not believe they thought this was useful or meaningful but evidently they did.

        In the end – Trump is still President because he received more votes in more counties and therefore more states across the country.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Funny the media never mentioned size of public access v. Obama’s in ’09 would have affected the crowd size. And as myiq mentioned, perhaps the overblown coverage of the violent protesters could have affected local turnout. Those awful protesters blocking the Deploraball access looked scary enough, but failed to show there were more police and guardsmen than the whackadoodles. We were very safe.

          Nancy Mace, who ran SC for Trump, was invited to one of the real balls and other VIP events and seating, but decided to leave her young family at home.

          The concert reminds me when (I was a fan of) Glenn Beck held his rally at the Lincoln Memorial, same set up. We stayed at the L’Enfant hotel near the Mall and we were meeting up with my son’s family from Reston at the time. His metro stop was so overcrowded, they shut his train down “for safety reasons”. Yeah right. So I can’t help but wonder if the locals were shut down too for the Trump events.

          Had I known Union Station would have been such a freak show for the 5 hours between hotel check out and train departure, I would have begged you to meet me there to read and snark about all the signs from the Women’s March. MSM barely covered a nano-second of the insanity I witnessed, especially young tots carrying F**k Trump posters.

          So glad to be back in my mom cave. Whew. I did survive 😉

          • Mt.Laurel says:

            I thought you would have time to enjoy some shopping/window shopping. Union Station is usually a nice restful place. Guess that did not work out. I am sure it was quite a show.

            Turns out the one neighbor talked to another and she had a similar story. Younger relatives coming into town and was asked to help. Her husband took off for a football party yesterday and called to say he was staying away until the hat people left. I am now getting email updates on how they do not understand the circular logic that the pinky hats are upset Hillary lost but at the same time agree with organizers that she should not have been invited – – -because she lost. I find it funny because I know the neighbors are solid Ds. They asked me what the Trump crowds were like and I said polite, warm, welcoming and neat as pins.

          • DeniseVB says:

            I couldn’t move in Union Station yesterday, so I gave up shopping. I was just so happy to be able to pee. They opened the men’s rooms for the ladies to keep the lines under a mile long. I’m sure they weren’t worse than the Inaugural portie potties. Which I can still smell, on myself, after two showers. 😀

    • lateblum says:

      Really I’m not sad about this “ending” . They’ve been vacationing on my dime this last 8 years while I worked and tried to be content walking to the lakefront for my times off. He and his wife and daughter#2 will return while Malia? will stay in CA for her “internship” with H Weinstein. And bronco and MO will do their best to undermine Trump’s attempts to MAGA and to push the Michelle for POTUS idea. (Or some other way to screw the US and personally benefit from not having a real job.) I have difficulty feeling sorry for them. And those people who waited all that time to see Obama and family, well, they simply now have a different story to tell.
      I really don’t care who knows how much I dislike that man and his wife.

    • Anthony says:

      No sympathy here. Whatever “ending” his reign of terror brought was a result of his own behavior during his tenure in public office. For me, Mother Nature had the final word here, vindicating ‘we the people’ by depriving him of his narcissistic need to believe that he is a god. Fuck him. Other than that, I admire your compassion, Helen. You’re obviously a bigger person than I. Forgive me if I don’t try to change my attitude ❤

    • blowme0bama says:

      Sad for who? Not me.

    • 49erDweet says:

      Welcome to California, Your Highness. And to the rain. Sorry about your tee times. LOL.

    • lyn says:

      It’s the ending that Backtrack deserves. A real human being would have stopped for the flowers.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Nah. I blame another Trump miracle for ending California’s drought 😉 Felt bad for the little girl still holding the bouquet of flowers though. Dems still don’t give a flip about their supporters, unless they’re bringing cash.

    • swanspirit says:

      Not hardly. I think it isn’t sad enough.

  1. Don Surber:

    While CNN and other news fakers spend hour after hour on crowd sizes and glam protests, rel news goes underreported.

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership of 12 nations became a TPP of 11. President Trump wadded it up and tossed it in the circular file on Friday.

    Here’s the latest from CNN on TPP:

    That’s right, nothing as of noon Sunday, January 22, 2017.

    From Nikkei News:

    Soon after President Donald Trump was sworn in, his administration announced the U.S. withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade pact championed by former President Barack Obama and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

    The White House on Friday also wasted no time in declaring a renegotiation of the North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA. Trump is expected to take a more isolationist, protectionist stance, and the international community is concerned that the U.S. will continue to draw inward.

    Trump was sworn in as the 45th president of the U.S. on Friday, repeating his campaign pledges of putting American interests first and restoring national glory to a deeply polarized public.

  2. The dims also have Soros and his assorted sordid organizations. Paying people to load up the buses and trains.

  3. CiscoKid says:

    First re: crowd size. Did media report access to site was blocked by rioters in some areas.
    Now, how the media infects minds.
    I have a friend I’ve known all my life, we grew up in the same neighborhood, joined the military at the same time, him Marines, me Army.
    After President Trump took the Oath of Office, I sent a txt to my bud saying we have a new President.
    His reply was, when is Putin going to be sworn Vice-President?
    Back and forth, he’s a clown, hacked election and the best, orange face idiot.
    Every negative talking point.
    I asked him to do better than that, he never replied.
    I’m not letting him go, I’m going to try and make peace, I’ll call first or show up at his door.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Just posted about that upthread. With a photo of our non view. The crowd was on the side in front of the Jumbotron, just to make sure we don’t show up in the aerials? LOL, Obama’s one last poke in the eye for his non-fan boyz and girlz.

  4. Jake from State Farm sez wimmins are stupid.

  5. Dora says:

    Stop Operation Soros (SOS): Massive Movement To Overthrow George Soros Explodes In Macedonia

    A major new initiative called Stop Operation Soros (SOS), a movement dedicated to stopping the evil machinations of Nazi collaborator billionaire George Soros, has taken off in Macedonia.

    http://pamelageller.com/2017/01/stop-operation-soros-sos.html/

  6. DeniseVB says:

    I can believe this. I’ve only seen Obama behind his desk for photo ops.

  7. Z Blog:

    The Trump inauguration featured the usual array of public nuisances and troublemakers that are now a feature of public events. If world leaders meet in a city, that city has a riot by anarchist loonies bused in by guys like George Soros. If a country celebrates one of their traditions, lunatics show up to ruin it for everyone. In this case, paid employees inspired supporters of Democrat pressure groups showed up in the Imperial Capital to harass citizens as they attempted to enjoy the spectacle of crowning our new emperor.

    I’ve long argued that public protests are anti-democratic, anti-liberal and an assault on civilized order. They are unnecessary in a social democracy. We have elections where the issues of the day can be debated. There’s simply no need to be out in the streets causing trouble. These people yesterday were not there to raise awareness. They were there to intimidate and frighten people. While we cannot ban such things, the punishments handed out for causing trouble should be draconian. Put the rioters in a city jail for a couple of years and this comes to an end.

    Normal people will tolerate a fair bit of this, just as long as they can avoid it when going about their business. There’s also an entertainment factor that gives these rioters some room to maneuver. The press loves covering these idiots and people will watch it on TV. Of course, most of the nation’s press corp wishes they could be rioting and looting so they pretend that the rioters are a serious, organic response to oppression. The struggle myth remains a powerful force in Progressive politics.

    Property destruction used to be the preferred action of these rioters as it avoided the moral hazard of physical confrontation. If they rumbled with the cops, they could get a beating or worse. If they assaulted people on the streets, something similar could happen. Plus, judges are tough on perps who attack innocent bystanders and cops, while they are lenient on property crimes. Insurance pays for the damage and the miscreants don’t have any money, so it is easier to just let the rioters go.

    That’s changing as we keep seeing with Trump events. These lunatics show up and throw eggs, batteries, urine bombs and worse. There were reports that rioters were crapping in their own hands so they could fling it at people. Milo Yabadabadoopolis keeps having his events cancelled because the authorities worry about potential violence. Given that a guy was shot at his last event, it is not an unreasonable fear. It’s the extreme version of the heckler’s veto. Instead of shouting down the person on stage, the heckler opens fire on the audience.

    The question that comes to mind is when do we see the other side of this. So far, it has been all leftist crazies assaulting normies, who quietly take it. To their credit, the normies know the media is looking for a reason to blame all of it on them so they have adopted a passive approach to it. Videos are posted on-line and appeals are made to the authorities to do something about the violence. The assumption is the public will side with the victims over the lunatics, even if the press does the opposite and blames the victims.

    So far, it has been remarkable that nothing serious has happened. These protesting lunatics are not terribly clever. All it would take is a bit of forethought to lure them into an ambush. How long before some armed normies turn up at an event and wait for the lunatics to give them a reason? The fact that it has not happened is encouraging, but maybe we have just been lucky. There are a lot of young men at Trump events. The alt-right is mostly young men. Young men tend to push back.

  8. lyn says:

    • taw46 says:

      I bow to her. Calling them out on their BS.

      • lateblum says:

        KellyAnne has been calling them out since she began working on the DJT campaign. I have looked forward to every interview and briefing she has given.
        And just to prove how much I type in her name, the minute I begin typing the first 3 letters of her name, my iPad completes the name without fail, even when I mistype it. Hah!

    • Anthony says:

      She’s pretty amazing, not to mention fearless. I think I’m finally going to enjoy WH Press conferences!

    • blowme0bama says:

      Hindsight, we all have that – should have nailed them on “what demonstrably false position, Todd? Park Service doesn’t make crowd estimations and Spicer gave the known occupancy capacities for the various sections of the mall. The photo discussed was taken prior to the attendees filling the mall, so the MSM estimation of 250,000 is demonstrably false”.

      SO much easier to think of great comebacks after the pressure is off.

    • CiscoKid says:

      Kellyanne is one clever lady.
      As candyass kept asking her the same question over and over again, she used the time to point out the Dem’s blocking Trumps cabinet appointments and basically get free air time to spell out a bit of Trumps agenda.

      • cynic says:

        I had never heard of her prior to this election, but Joe Scarborough spoke highly of her early on, so she’s well known. Kellyanne is great.

    • swanspirit says:

      Chuck, miss the point much? Jeeeeez

    • kanaughty says:

      Chuck todd has become the worst ahole.

  9. taw46 says:

    • mothy67 says:

      Yeah. WMCB even if its via a reposted tweet.

    • mothy67 says:

      I was hooked on her way back in 2008 from Hillaryis44. I had never been on a blog, but I was losing my mind with all the shenanigans. She has a real talent for being direct. I go on for days when making a point. She just says zap. Brevity is an art. Like here when Lulu goes on a rant. I genuflect. Her post about Gweneth and stones had me in tears.I read the paltrow thing and was like you idiot. Lulu made it epic. I have been coming here for years. I think its an older crowd with tons of education. I kinda think of blogs as young idealists. Knaughty is I believe the youngest amongst us. I have learned so much by attempting to see what you see. Its like you are Irish plays. I get a glimpse into other worlds. My understanding of feminism and the turbulent 60’s era is different when I connect it to someone. I never considered what it was like to be a woman going to engineering school when that was not a thing. My attorney and doctor have lady parts. I have had many female bosses. My mom made more than my dad. I was born in 67 and I don’t see this awful world the new feminists describe. Madonna is so gross. I cannot take her seriously. She is 56 talking about blow jobs. Her last album tanked and she cries sexism. Her concert was yuuge. I read only country music fans still buy physical cd’s. I have Amazon music. I just say what I want to hear. It’s unlimited and literally everything is available. I heard She’s Gone(Hall & Oates) in a cab. I have it somewhere on vinyl. Likely on a K-tel greatest hits with Disco Duck. I came home and said Alexa play She’s Gone. It’s 8.99 a month. I spent all my money on music as a teen. Crud wanted something new everyday. Last cd I bought was Taylor Swift 15.99. What a waste. Prime or spotify any song anytime. Madonna thinks its about her and her gender that no one bought her cd. No its because the kids all have subscriptions. Shay is 10 she loves Taylor Swift she thinks Madonna is gross same thing about Arianna Grande. When madonna did her bj thing. I was sick. All the kids have Iphones. Taylon was going to be talking about oral sex at recess. If its inappropriate Taylon has it covered. He is asian. Wicked smart. His parents have like 9 businesses they run out of home. He calls everybody racist. Adults don’t know how to take him. Teacher banned Pepe. He calls everybody Pepe. We were in dollar store. He asked if he could have everything for free. Cashier said no. He said racist. He then said it was because he was black. He is asian. He just fucks with adults.

      • NewOrleans says:

        I was hooked on her way back in 2008

        Amen, Timothy! I’ve been stalking her and Klown since the Big Orange Cheeto days. They saved my sanity more times than I could count. They will always be my Dynamic Duo.

  10. DeniseVB says:

    Parody account for new PressSec is hysterical ! Follow him for the giggles……

  11. mothy67 says:

    I was thinking about Ivanka carrying a child as they disembarked a plane. I don’t recall Michelle carrying Malia(snark)
    Some might say its staged and she has 20 nannys, but the jet blue escapade negates that. The little ones seem very centered.

  12. SURF’S UP!!

    I’m not joking. I guarantee you that there are surfers out in the water right now.

    • blowme0bama says:

      I thought it was an odd statement at the time, but brushed it off as some sort of personal construction preference of his.

    • I fucking hope this is the case. I was hoping he was going there to clean house and was kinda sad to see him say he was begins them 1000%. But this would explain the newly ex head of the CIAs over the top hostile reaction.

    • DandyTIger says:

      Subtle and clever. They did cheer when he said that, meaning they understood some reference beyond just a bigger open room without pillars.

  13. mothy67 says:

    Even when I was a liberalI I was no fan of NEA. Piss Jesus is just rude. I think artist has every right to make it but don’t expect a grant. I like going to the Opera much more than I like opera. Its like a time machine. Everyone is dressed and polished. I always think of the I Love Lucy episode when Ball told Ethel she needed to change before getting on the subway. Obama made the White House business casual. No dress codes at school. That don’t fly with me. School is serious and she will respect education. I think it begins with the image she projects. I don’t think standards inhibit creativity. The point of her going to school is to learn. It’s a job. The sociology experiments with children’s education is exasperating.
    With regards to opera I think the Met gets millions. The tickets are still like 250. Poor people don’t do that. . World is not kinder because the affluent wept at La Boheme. Add 20 bucks to already snob tickets. I do love going. It’s so 1940s.

    • DeniseVB says:

      NEA needs to be audited for how they spend our tax money. I always thought supporting the arts is that you buy a ticket. Like sports and stuff.

      I remember when Romney was vilified wanting to “Kill Big Bird” after suggesting defunding PBS and NPR. Didn’t Sesame Street since move to HBO?

  14. AFVet says:

    MAGA.

  15. Underwhelmed says:

    Keeping it classy, as ever. This is good, though. They need to be exposed, and exposed, and exposed.

    http://www.chicksontheright.com/this-vile-womens-march-sign-sums-up-why-we-won/

  16. Dora says:

    Wow! He doesn’t waste any time.

    ===

    ‘Trump has already sent embassy architects to Jerusalem’

    Following reports of progress on possible move of US embassy to Jerusalem, official says embassy architects already at work.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/223671

  17. nerdle says:

    As an aside, I love the new banner.

    • elliesmom says:

      Great line in the comments – “The only reason the #pussyhats were so widely promoted is that the #asshats have been out of stock for about 18 months.”

  18. mothy67 says:

    I can’t wait to watch Ivanka cause pink pussy hats to twist themselves into pretzels. Seems to me that Donald knows which of his children is the superstar. Sons seem okay that sister is in the limelight.

    • lateblum says:

      Even the plumber I had in this past Monday knows which of Trump’s children is the superstar. Color me somewhat surprised….. Only because this still is Chicago.

    • Constance says:

      I’ve heard Trumps sons say that Ivanka is his favorite. They don’t seem to resent it.

  19. AFVet says:

    • CiscoKid says:

      And how love trumps hate, except for Madonna wanting to blow up the WH and other assorted whack jobs that want Trump dead and beat his supporters.

  20. Dora says:

    I didn’t realize that Comey was so tall. Someone said he is 6’8″.

    • CiscoKid says:

      Cowards hiding behind masks.
      Afraid to go one on one, always in groups like true facist.
      Take off the mask, let’s stand toe to toe and do a little boxing.
      Cowards

  21. votermom says:

    my kindle fire has a new bug – suddenly the keyboard will stop working and I have to reboot.
    I hope it’s a temporary thing

  22. AFVet says:

  23. AFVet says:

  24. CiscoKid says:

    If its a satire, it’s funny, if it’s serious, then they should show their solidarity and do it.

  25. votermom says:

    activist who was walking across America barefoot to raise awareness of climate change is hit and killed by SUV

  26. CiscoKid says:

    😔 I don’t agree with his point of view, but he died for his cause.
    I don’t think that’s to bad, he just unknowingly put his life in danger.

  27. DeniseVB says:

    Whoa, how nice.

    • CiscoKid says:

      The Military and First Responders who Obama ignored and disrespected are now receiving the respect and the acknowledgment they deserve.
      Their on post as we sleep, insuring that if harm comes our way, it will be stopped, even if it costs them their lives.

  28. DeniseVB says:

    This is the REAL Sean Spicer, PressSec, already grabbing the msm by the ‘nads 🙂

  29. Venus says:

    I posted this 2 threads back in answer to Constance who actually wrote the following piece of idiocy re: the Bitchfest and I’m re-posting here since it’s an old thread and I don’t want anyone to miss it.

    Constance wrote this:
    Wow! Republicans need to quantify something these folks want and give it to them.”

    My reply:

    Wow! You sound like a pathetic loser who was born yesterday. “Republicans need to quantify something these folks want and give it to them.” LMFAO! Only a legit moron would believe there is ANYTHING that ANYONE can gives these Marxist assholes who are actually complaining about paying taxes on tampons that will satisfy them, because there isn’t one fucking thing that you can give them that will.

    This is what Trump should say to them:
    “My offer is this — Nothing.”


    • CiscoKid says:

      Yes, give them nothing.
      Don’t reach across the aisle, they’ll hold your hand and stab you in the guts.
      There is no compromise with them, only what they want.
      Under the Obama regime they had eight years to work together, instead Barry used his pen and phone EO’s ruled the country.
      Never negotiate, never compromise, they are the enemy, by their choice, not ours.

  30. lyn says:

  31. mothy67 says:

    Votermom
    I called Amazon. They said let battery run out. You can hold power button down til it reboots but you lose saved passwords. I binged time to new years eve countdown. The clock drains battery(i know that because I watched seconds until 1/20/17) Guy said powering down is best. Hope it helps. He said there were no new updates.

    • votermom says:

      thanks mothy

      I did the hold the power button down thing
      still happened
      so I cleared browser (had to reenter all my passwords)
      it’s ok so far

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