Is Milo Evil?

I found this in the SF Chronicle:

Solution to bigoted provocateur at UC Berkeley: Just say no

UC Berkeley should’ve canceled the Milo Yiannopoulos event weeks ago.

Hate speech is a security risk for the community. UC Berkeley, with its history of protests, shouldn’t have allowed a menacing night to unfold.

Yiannopoulos is a professional troll who cloaks hate with the First Amendment’s white veil. I believe in freedom of speech, but openly vile, divisive and hate-filled commentary shouldn’t be tolerated. Yiannopoulos isn’t a provocateur. He’s an intolerant insult comic and a bigot, the poster boy for the hate-filled wing of conservatism hellbent on whitewashing America.

That rage you saw Wednesday night — that wasn’t intolerance of a different political viewpoint as Yiannopoulos claims. It was the outright rejection and condemnation of a flagrant brand of bigotry that can incite violence against Yiannopoulos’ favorite targets: people who are black, brown, LGBTQ, women and immigrants. Think Dylann Roof.

There is more if you want to read it. Do you notice anything missing?

How about some specifics? “Milo said ‘xyz’ and that’s racist.” Milo has published a ton of stuff and made numerous speeches and public appearances that were recorded on video, so if he is a racist or a bigot there should be ample evidence out there to prove it. So where is it?

This is from “Milo Yiannopoulos is trying to convince colleges that hate speech is cool” at CNN:

This professional provocateur, who was banned on Twitter after his harassment last summer of “Saturday Night Live” star Leslie Jones, has been making a name for himself with his “Dangerous Faggot” bus tour. In campus appearances across the nation the openly gay Yiannopoulos has made disparaging remarks about Muslims, minority students, members of the transgender community and other groups — all in the name of free speech and the fight against political correctness.

His many detractors say he is a hatemonger. But Yiannopoulos believes he offers an important perspective that is missing at universities where liberal ideas typically go unchallenged. And he’s inspiring other far-right speakers to visit college campuses in the hopes of swaying young minds.

“People are tired of being told how to live, how to speak, what language they can use,” he said. “The strength of feeling in my crowds, the enthusiasm for me from the audiences is the same — the same instinct, the same sort of motivating force (that) put Trump in the White House.”


In his campus talks, Yiannopoulos spares few targets. He’s gone after Black Lives Matter activists and has argued rape culture on campuses doesn’t exist. He portrays white males as victims and views social justice as a form of cancer. He has said people become feminists because they are “deeply physically unattractive.”

Sometimes Yiannopoulos mocks individual people. While talking about the transgender bathroom debate at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee in December, he displayed a photo of a transgender female student from that school and told the crowd, “the way that you know he’s failing is that I’d almost still bang him.”


He’s also implied Americans have good reason to fear Muslims and said that liberals believe that they can make Muslims accept gays if only they “hug them hard enough. Well, news flash ladies, it’s not a boner, it’s a bomb.”


Yiannopoulos is often identified with the alt-right, a far-right political movement rife with white nationalist, anti-Semitic and racist ideologies, although he rejects the label.

His tour has coincided with a flurry of hate crimes around the country following Trump’s election victory — many of them on college campuses. In the month after the election, the Southern Poverty Law Center said 172 hate incidents were reported at colleges and universities nationwide.

The SPLC attributes the spread of alt-right propaganda on campus to the “increased confidence that these groups are feeling following Trump’s victory,” which they say is also being fueled by figures like Yiannopoulos and white nationalist Richard Spencer.

“What’s new is Donald Trump. There’s somebody on the national stage who’s … helping to encourage and give enthusiasm to this effort to proselytize and go to campuses and get new recruits for a new conservative movement,” said Kevin Johnson, dean of the law school at UC Davis.

Universities have faced pressure to cancel Yiannopoulos’ events. But many have decided to allow his show to go on in the name of free speech and the First Amendment.


But some students who end up as the targets of Yiannopoulos’s comments feel there should be no place for him or his views on campus.

A transgender UC Davis student, who asked to be identified only as Barbara, told CNN she was too scared to be on campus during Yiannopoulos’s scheduled visit and was fearful of his potential effect on her classmates.

“The fear is with the folks who are gonna see him,” she said. “He leaves. But the folks who are attending (his event) are the folks that I have to sit next to in classrooms.”


For his part, Yiannopoulos says he has nothing to do with Spencer or any white nationalists.
“I don’t have unsavory opinions about skin color … what you are seeking to do, by associating me with people who have odious and disgusting opinions, is suggest that I somehow in some way tacitly enable these people,” he said. “I don’t. F*ck you.”

But Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, believes Yiannopoulos “serves as a gateway” to more dangerous ideas.

“When you see white supremacists hanging outside of Milo’s events to poach potential recruits, it speaks to exactly why Milo is potentially dangerous. Milo is bringing his misogyny and hatred and racism onto campus, and people (are) sort of maybe considering it, ‘Oh, this is just ironic. He’s just being — you know, pushing the envelope.'” Segal said.

“And so it enables his ideology, his messages to sort of seep in. The next level is maybe an openness to more white supremacist ideas, more hardcore believers. I think that’s fundamentally dangerous.”

But Yiannopoulos said he doesn’t believe his statements are that far from the mainstream. He sees himself as a crusader for free speech.

“I have opinions that, frankly, a lot of people are thinking. They just won’t tell people. They don’t pollsters. They don’t tell journalists. But they think it, which is why you’re all so surprised when, you know, half the country voted for Trump. I hold perfectly respectable, reasonable opinions that half of America agrees with,” he said.

“So long as people are prevented from saying true things in public life for political correctness, there’ll still be a need for me,” he said. “And I’ll never stop.”

Obviously, none of us knows what really lurks in Milo’s heart. But if we are gonna condemn a man for his beliefs shouldn’t his accusers have to provide evidence of his depraved heart?



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145 Responses to Is Milo Evil?

  1. DandyTIger says:

    Evidence? The left isn’t required to provide evidence. Silly question.

  2. 49erDweet says:

    If “evil” means “different”, then yeah. But only an idiot skank cares, though, so…..

  3. votermom says:

    Milo is a Jewish Gay Immigrant who dates Black Men.
    By Leftist definition, anyone who does not like Milo is evil.

  4. DeniseVB says:

    Milo is UN-PC. He says the things we’re thinking, out loud. I’m not a fan of his fat shaming, but if you think about what he actually says, “no, I won’t accept your body image because it’s unhealthy darling, and I’m concerned about that”. Trigglypuff put a face on that, but it was her behavior, not her size, that got the fat shaming ball rolling.

    I’m old enough to remember Lenny Bruce (he got jailed for saying fuck in his standups in the 50’s/60’s, see the movie Lenny played by Dustin Hoffman, brutally funny/sad), Richard Pryor and George Carlin. Pryor and Carlin couldn’t do their acts today on college campuses.

    More recently, Jerry Seinfeld got schlonged by the left for a promo with Lewis Black (for his coffee cars series) with the triggered Black’s Life Matters. Seinfeld stopped doing college tours years ago because of the “sensitive” PC students. And he’s a lib.

    Not sure when I first noticed Milo, but he entertains the hell out of me. George Carlin is smiling down on him.

  5. This might be the stupidest thing that Salon has ever published.

  6. mothy67 says:

    What the Fuck is hate speech?
    No such thing.
    Feminists screaming about toxic masculinity is hate speech to me. Accusations of white privilege is hate speech to me. Whoopie Goldburg is a dumb name for a slug named Caryn Johnson in real life isn’t hate speech but I hate her anyhow.
    For crying out loud how did these adult children manage to cross the street unaccompanied. The world is on FIRE. Somebody had to stand up. !jeb¡ Dude cannot stand up straight. The side of beef? No no no. What if through T-Rex Trump allows a healthy relationship with Russia? Why am I supposed to hold McCain in esteem? Been there a long time and he didn’t scream from the rafters as ISIS was birthed by clot and big ears.
    Trump threw it all down. He asked for the support of you and I not pharma, oil, or banks.
    I do not want my brat fighting another war that will never end. President Trump was the only choice. Walked by TV and heard David Muir talking as if Trump was a foreign enemy.
    I am so confused. Nazi stuff is insane. They all seem so desperate. Nightly news attacking sitting president. Searching for reasons to take him down.
    Psychologically why does he get under their skin in such a perverse way. It’s like he challenges their very existence. obama called himself a blank slate that people projected themselves upon. I though that was creepy as hell. What if last eight years are proven failure. Are they also?

    • Venus says:

      You are right – no such thing as “hate speech.” The 1st Amendment is designed to protect speech no one objects to — it is designed to protect speech that people are offended by, don’t like, don’t agree with. etc.
      Anyone who thinks there is “hate speech” and that those on the other side are the fascists/nazis are only fooling themselves.

      • mothy67 says:

        Can’t all religions be deemed hate speech. My belief is right yours is wrong. I assault your basic beliefs therefore I cause you pain.
        When gays call people breeders is that not hateful?
        Who decides? A judge in a pink pussy hat?

    • blowme0bama says:

      Agreed. Hate speech is nothing more than stuff they don’t want to here.

    • votermom says:

      it’s anything they don’t like

  7. Mt.Laurel says:

    I have not really followed the Milo experience as close as others. Most of what I know comes from fellow TCHers. I have read his posts on Breibart (?) – before I figured out it was the same person and I never saw anything all that offensive. Not even on par with a certain aging shock jock. Certainly nothing on par with comes out of the mouths of the MSM , the crazy lefties in the entertainment industry, or the vagina crowd. Nor anything as bad as I have seen uttered by members of congress.

    But what I do see is bizarre over reaction to a man who is gay simply because he refuses to fit the mold set out by the SJW. And because he ticks all the right leftie boxes but does not agree with them – he must be destroyed? Is it Milo himself, or has he been selected as a target because those that could profit by the upset of the snowflakes find he is the perfect lightning rod for encouraging riots and other obstructions?

    Is there an equivalent of “Uncle Tom” for gay guys? Inquiring minds want to know because I have worked with quite a few gay men who were libertarian or republican and I never realized it was such a breech of social norms. Or is that because I have always been an independent and did not get the memo from the party bosses?

    • DeniseVB says:

      You mean shock jocks like Howard Stern and Don Imus ? Been a fan of theirs for decades, until they got fired from am radio. Kinda lost the feeling after that. Then came Milo, and his youtube channel….

      Milo’s a lamb 🙂

      • Somebody says:

        Speaking of shock jock Howard Stern, he’s claiming Trump secretly wants Hillary to be POTUS. Stern claims that is why DJT plans to investigate voter fraud, he supposedly secretly wants to find fraud so he can hand the presidency over to Hillary. Stern says DJT only ran for POTUS to squeeze more money out of NBC for The Apprentice.

        Talk about fake news, man Stern must have some really good drugs he’s tripping big league!

    • mothy67 says:

      I think there is a certain simpatico with President Trump and Milo. Yuuuge personalities that people want to pigeon hole. Yet there is something there. People wanted to think Donald was just gaudy gold and flash. No substance. People want to label Milo just a screaming queen. Watching Milo on Tucker last night I was touched. He covered his nervousness by talking very fast. Freaking adorable. Yet he was articulate. Would probably bore him, but I think he could feel the void left by oprah. Smart, funny, gay, opinionated dude at 4. Beats Dr Phil.

  8. AFVet says:

    This campus needs more Patriots.

  9. DeniseVB says:

    original comment Deleted and trashed, I’d throw a brick at Gavin McInness’s head too.

  10. DeniseVB says:

    Oldest son turned 45 today, yay !

  11. SHV says:

    “Judge issues broad block against Trump’s travel ban
    Seattle jurist’s sweeping order comes hours after Boston court seemed to bless president’ s anti-terror immigration halt.”

    • mothy67 says:

      Can you tell me what this means?

      • Venus says:

        Um, i don’t think it means anything Seattle court most certainly does NOT have jurisdiction over the *entire* country.
        But even more to the point, until a person goes through customs, they are *not* in the US — they are in a kind of “no-man’s land” and only President/Congress have any authority over them. Unless there is something in the law of which I’m unaware (and I’m not an immigration law expert by any stretch), I don’t think that court’s order would apply even to those airports where her court *does* have jurisdiction.

        • Jadzia says:

          I’m not sure if there are any international airports other than Seattle International in the Western District of Washington. But Angie, you raise an interesting point about jurisdiction at the international airports. I am FAR from an immigration law expert (we had a few IIRIRA cases when I was clerking in Seattle, but that’s it) but I THINK that if you haven’t cleared Customs, for immigration purposes you’re not really considered to be on U.S. soil yet. (And I think that’s something that is in the immigration statute, versus being a constitutional issue.) In which case WD Wa wouldn’t have jurisdiction.

          • Venus says:

            That’s my understanding as well. Glad both of us “not immigration lawyers” agree! LOL

          • Venus says:

            Found this — still doesn’t clarify our question as to how the court even has jurisdiction over those who haven’t cleared cutoms, but interesting synopsis:


            On Trial: Why Trump’s Immigration Ban Will Win Over Seattle Judge’s Nationwide Order
            by Robert Barnes | 10:55 pm, February 3rd, 2017

            Opening Statement
            On Friday, a Boston federal judge issued a 21 page decision debunking the arguments against Trump’s Executive Order suspending migration from certain countries pending further review. Later that same day, a Seattle federal judge who has been making the news lately (and not usually for the most flattering of reasons), declared his oral intention to sign an order limiting some aspects of the executive order. In the courtroom, whose position is likely to ultimately win?

            Just a quick review of the two written orders can tell you which one is likely to win. The Boston judge cited a wide range of precedents for his decision in his detailed written order. The Seattle judge issued a short order devoid of almost any reference to any precedent, which is the “evidence” for lawyers on the law. Add in comments made by the Seattle judge verbally, and if any aspect of that is correct, the Seattle judge’s opinion will lose, and Trump’s position will win.

            The Evidence
            Both judges appeared to reject the position of many critics: both appeared to reject the position the First Amendment prohibits the order; both appeared to reject the position the Fifth Amendment prohibits the order; both appeared to reject the position that Congressional statutes prohibit the order. Both appeared to reject claims the order discriminated on the basis of speech or religion in any way that immigration law precludes or forbids. Instead, both agreed all that mattered is whether the laws had a “rational basis.”

            Here is where the Boston judge and the Seattle judge appeared to disagree. According to reports of what was said at oral argument in Seattle, the Seattle judge believes rational basis review requires the law-making branches of government “prove” with “facts” presented in court that their position is the correct one. As the Boston judge noted, this interpretation of the law — inviting the judicial branch to replace the elected branches of government — is directly contrary to precedent. This is why the Seattle judge’s opinion is likely to lose out ultimately, and Trump’s will prevail.

            As the Boston judge explained, the Supreme Court provided that rational basis review merely means the law “bears some fair relationship to a legitimate public purpose.” The Supreme Court made clear rational basis review “is not a license for courts to judge the wisdom, fairness or logic of legislative choices.” (Heller v. Doe by Doe, 509 U.S. 312 (1993).

            Immigration law includes a “delicate policy judgment” courts must not invade, as the Supreme Court itself said, and the Boston judge reiterated. Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982). As the Ninth Circuit reiterated, “we defer to the political branches in the immigration field.” Ruiz-Diaz v. United States, 703 F.3d 483 (9th Cir. 2012). As the Boston court noted, the order clearly and expressly relates to concern of “infiltration by foreign terrorists” from countries identified as a risk for just that without further vetting procedures put in place. Rational basis review “is not a genuine effort to determine the actual reasons for the law, nor to inquire into whether a statute actually does further the announced interest of government. All that is required is a) does a government interest exist in securing the country from terror?; and b) does the law limiting entrants purport to relate to that interest? It does not matter if the judge thinks it shouldn’t relate or won’t relate. That decision is for the lawmaker, not the law interpreter.

            The Seattle judge seemed to believe no such vetting process was “rational” unless facts showed a foreign terror incident had already successfully occurred in this country. (Even under higher levels of scrutiny, the courts have never required the evil sought to be prevented actually occur before passing law to try to prevent it from occurring in the first place.) This is second-guessing law-making decisions, not seeing whether there was a “reason” given as the “basis” for the decision, which is all rational basis review allows in our tri-partite form of government.

            Closing Argument

            Second-guessing Trump’s decision is for elections, not judges. The Supreme Court long ago rejected such second-guessing as impermissible. The Boston’s judge’s thoughtful and deliberate decision follows the precedents, as the law compels. The Seattle judge’s decision tries to substitute for the legislative branches, which the law condemns. In the ultimate outcome of these decisions, memories of Super Bowls past will prove prescient: Like the Patriots, Boston will best Seattle once again.

      • Venus says:

        IOW, custom agents are going to keep following the EO — the POTUS is the one who tells them how they do their jobs. Court ruling is irrelevant because lacks jurisdiction.

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  15. Venus says:

    In case you don’t remember how wrong the NeverTrump idiots were and continue to be, Dianna West has collated an “anti-Trump lexicon” that’s pretty funny to read:

  16. lyn says:

    A video that has been making the rounds for a couple of months before I saw it offers so much insight Muslim hygiene that it may well put you off eating Middle Eastern food forever. And yes, I have no doubt that the man in the video is a Muslim. Indeed, I so want to make sure you’re as convinced as I am about his religious persuasion that I’m going to make you wait before you watch the video. First, I’ll tell you a few things about Muslim hygiene that you may not know.

  17. Dora says:

    I don’t know how CNN is still on the air.

  18. kanaughty says:

    Hearing about this visa suspension injunction. How the hell can a judge rulle in favor of giving foreigners any of our constitutional rights of equal protection or religious freedom. They are not american citizens and are not even on our soil, they do not get the privilege of our united states constitutional rights period! They do not have a right to be here, and their. Eing here can be revoked for for many reasons especially national security concerns. Fuck these liberal sjw judges and lawyers trying to confer united states citizens constitutional rights on foreigners! This is so messed up. It loks like another judge came down with opposite opinion today, so supreme court will be taking this one. That judge should be impeached for dereliction of duty in defending the constitution for only american citizens or green card holders, immigrants here legally in line. You can’t just give our constitutional rights to the world community. That’s f’ing ridiculous. So any terrorist attacks are on these sjw’s who think it is so important to import so easily possible terrorists. An attack will not be trumps fault, because he tried to keep us safe. Sjw’s just want us to die because of hurt world feelings. Boohoo.

    • mcnorman says:

      My thoughts exactly…thus is not the US of the world. Pay your dues first.

    • DandyTIger says:

      So can a judge similar rule that people in a war zone, that we’re fighting in, against an enemy, have rights. And so can rule that our army has to stop fighting them?

      • kanaughty says:

        I see it as the globalists acting as if the us is not sovereign, but it is. It’s like the saying, if you repeat a lie enough times, everyone will eventually believe it. So the left believes the US is not sovereign and we are i debted to give our rights to everyone in the world, thus any immigrant has a right to be here in their minds. There are way too many brainwashed globalists thinking out there now thanks to obama and the globalist neocons like the bushes. The blame is on left and right for trying to destroy our sovereignty, basically, trying to join us eventually to the EU or UN to make our laws. Like the gun control “laws” the UN tried to say us americans had to abide by. Etc.

  19. votermom says:

    i just saw that imdb is going to shut down its message board.
    that’s sad. I like to read comments there after I watch a movie.

    • kanaughty says:

      I love her factual feminist vids where she rails against the current stupid feminism movement. But i can’t understand how she is still a dem. I guess she thinks eventually the party will have to come back to sanity. I find it liberating being an independent.

      • DeniseVB says:

        She is great, I need to start sharing more of her Factual Feminist vids to counter the ones my young lib friends share explaining feminism by ….Chelsea Handler, Lena Dunham and other rich celebs without a clue.

  20. She’s in Iran with a hat that says “Baby” in English?

    • kanaughty says:


    • kanaughty says:

      And why does this foreign baby get free healthcare when us american citizens have to pay for all our visits to a dr.? This is so back asswards.

    • Dora says:

      Is this where we’re supposed to be thankful to the kind judge who put a stop to the order of that mean guy in the WH and allowed this child to receive free care? Don’t hold your breath waiting for me to cheer.

      • Constance says:

        This whole court decision came out of a court in Seattle and these are the sort of vapid idiots I live with day in and day out! Where the hell did these people come from and given how stupid and irrational they are how the hell did they take over the west coast?

    • votermom says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      If true, it was probably set up by some international children’s health organization which would be exempt from the travel bans. But sure a cute little piece of propaganda 🙂

  21. mothy67 says:

    Someone mentioned in the a thread or so ago about the “undesirables” being exported as refugees. Those who for whatever reason cannot exist where they where. I noticed several people at my supermarket. I don’t know how to drive so I make several trips to grocer on foot a week. Almost daily. Pity me not its a mega store and its at the top of the hill. Tons of non english speakers all with the same card. Not EBT. I assume its a debit card issued by some agency. I wondered why people on assistance were not shopping at one of the cheaper grocers. Walmart and Aldis are so much cheaper. I would say 100 at my store would be 65 at walmart. I just don’t drive. I watch people. One day a guy was having a problem with the chip in his card. Actually he did not have a chip regular swipe but he was trying chip thing(so annoying-every place is different) cashier was fed up. I guided him through. Turned away as he entered pin. I saw the discount on the screen. His card gave him a discount. I wonder if its in the Farm bill? Neat place to tuck it away.
    This guy is one of many I have seen that hit me he has something wrong. Certain malformities that I think might be attributed to malnutrition and abuse. I am not an MD but my gut said he knew not nurture nor nutrition. My sense from him was just a broken tiny person. maybe mid thirties. Gonna say from the near east. Near me there must be some type of group home as I see the same markers in several guys. They, ostensibly, pose no threat. What though was the program? Who is making bank off of them? I am so comfortable with assistance to such persons and even taking them in as long as our veterans get as much if not more.
    I just see broken souls. Still they are guys what impulse controls do they have?
    I am not an investigative reporter but I look around. Same guys are always at the scratch off machine. I don’t think they have anywhere to go but grocery store. They hang out scratching.
    What is going on.
    Another thing my brat has been in dance, gymnastics, tae kwon do, swim since she was 2. God I beg every young mother expose your daughters to ballet. I was born into a body that didn’t particularly care for me. Whatever. Ballet allows a wondrous exchange between body and mind. You cannot wait for a bus that does not arrive. You start walking.
    I will never allow my dork to be victim.
    Anyhow her little body is hers. 10 so much training. Local pool is for residents only. She loves her own body. I would love a burkina on her until she is 49. Nope she wants a bikini. She reminds me of Mary Tyler Moore. I cannot buy her jeans. Calves, thighs caboose and tiny waist do not mix.
    Last summer pool has a large group of women in sheets eating. There is no food allowed in pool area. No one stops them because of halal. 500 dollar fine if you smoke in the park. Signs everywhere. Big circle with that sign saying no smoking. Moslem dudes hang out by the fence looking at girls smoking. I complain — well they don’t understand. Really a big red circle with a line through it does not convey no smoking. My child, not my child, has worked hard to become who she will be. She has to take a back seat to muslims.
    How does it not shatter leftists brains that these pigs ogle children. islam basically tells them our children are theirs.
    Darkest thought I have expressed– I hope/not hope a hollywierd cretin gets hit. I hate myself for it.

    • Constance says:

      Look, these broken people obviously need help. The people who see it and want to help should do what they can with their own resources. But taxing Americans to do the Lefts social work has got to stop. If you want to help people step right up and do it with your own money. And the money my government is taking from me to give away to others as they see fit…that is MY money and I should be able to donate it as I see fit.

  22. DeniseVB says:

    Here’s a clip from a recent talk Milo gave on Islam. I guess truth is evil 😀

  23. Dora says:

    This makes me feel sick. It really does. I’ve been in this cathedral and it’s beautiful. Now it must smell! Ugh!


    Gee, do the Christian worshippers have to lift up their asses to allah, too, when they pray in the UK Gloucester Cathedral now?

    Church under fire after an Islamic call to prayer was held inside one of Britain’s most historic cathedrals.

  24. Dora says:

    I didn’t see much reporting on this incident. I wonder why.


    Bearded, “Middle Eastern” Terrorist Hurls BOMB into Cheesecake Factory in Pasadena, California

  25. mothy67 says:

    Milo always reminds me of this

  26. votermom says:

  27. DeniseVB says:

    Milo announced he’ll be on Judge Jeanine tonight !

  28. Dora says:

    I asked Hubby if he wanted to ride into the city to see this wonderful display. But it’s only 21 degrees here today, so he wasn’t in the mood. Maybe tomorrow.

  29. DeniseVB says:

    Captures Milo well 🙂

  30. votermom says:

    The puppies have landed! The breeder says 4 girls 2 boys.

    • elliesmom says:

      Yay! Get a girl if you can. When you walk her, she won’t lift her leg to pee every 3 ft.

      • votermom says:


        we were thinking of a boy actually but good point! if we get a girl we’ll be thankful for that.

        • elliesmom says:

          Over the course of many years I’ve had several dogs, both male and female, and I’ve loved them all. The dog against whom all others have to pass muster was male and incredibly smart, but the females have been easier to housebreak and to train to accommodate their lives to ours. He could be taught to do farm chores some people are too stupid to do, but life with two retired people would have had him eating the sofa out of boredom. If you get to pick the puppy yourself, you don’t want the one who comes over to you immediately or the one who tries to hide in the corner. You want the one who stands there and looks at you, but is OK when you approach him or her. That’s a confident, but not aggressive dog.

        • Venus says:

          Elliesmom is right, as usual. Boys are harder to house train in that they like to “mark” territory so that is hard to break them from. Girls don’t have that problem.
          But it is more expensive to “fix” girls than boys — but you *do* have to fix the girl unless you want to deal with them going into heat and spotting all over the place (which is gross).

          I also agree about how to pick the dog — although honestly I pick the one who is shy, because I feel sorry for it so I always get very submissive pups. 🙂 But elliesmom’s advice is good — the one that stands and looks at you without hiding or coming forward right away probably has best temperment.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Oh my ! What kind ?

      • votermom says:

        Standard poodle. the mom is blue and the dad is cream and I think all the pups look black eight now but I think that usually changes

        • DeniseVB says:

          Nice ! Congrats ❤

        • Somebody says:

          Let me weigh in, I know someone that breeds standard poodles. It’s my neighbor’s mother. She has several standard poodles and brings them to “visit” when she comes over or when she’s babysitting. I’ve noticed she puts diapers on the males, but not on the females that I’ve seen. The males mark everything inside and out, unless she puts diapers on them. That being said these dogs haven’t been fixed so that is part of the issue. However, we had our bichon neutered hoping it would alleviate him marking, didn’t make a damn bit of difference. Having him neutered didn’t stop him from humping everything in the house either.

          A friend told me when selecting a puppy, play with it, gain its trust and then see if it will let you hold it like a baby on its back. Try to hold it like that loosely, not forcibly and gently stroke the puppy’s chest. You don’t want a dog that snaps when you do that and you don’t want one that is so alpha it won’t allow you to. My little dachshund passed that test with flying colors, in fact I still hold her like a baby to this day and she’s been the best dog imaginable. She was easily housebroken and flew through obedience training.

    • lateblum says:

      How wonderful!! I hope you are able to get the one you want (and who wants you). 😉

  31. elliesmom says:

    This was a fun trip down Memory Lane. The world I came of age in. My daughter thinks Patty Hearst is an actress sitting on Serial Mom’s jury wearing white shoes after Labor Day.

    • taw46 says:

      Thanks for posting this. Just last night my cousin and I were talking about the violence of the 60s and 70s, about the many groups that wanted revolution. We were trying to decide if it was worse then or now. I will read this and send it to her as well. And yes, a trip down memory lane for us, too.

    • DeniseVB says:

      That was a fun read. I watched that SLA house burn down on live local L.A. tv and wondering if Patty Hearst was in there. Strange times. We do have a history of whackadoodle anarchy who simply won’t move out of the country to find their Utopian world. Makes me understand how some countries have zero tolerance for that.

  32. Dora says:

  33. DeniseVB says:

    Stolen from Motus’s comments …..

  34. helenk3 says:

    WOW you have to read his words.
    what an indictment of berkeley

  35. DeniseVB says:

    Just in case you missed some of the Trump butthurt covers, so far :

  36. jeffhas says:


    Adderall, Xanax and Fentanyl?

    …. and it was the ‘heart condition’ that killed her?

    Are you f’ing kidding me?

    Then they parade him out for his ‘normal’ father if the year prize.

    Come on’ you’re helping/ignoring/enabling a problem of someone you’re suppose to love – and the mother of your child… I get it it’s rough (I really get it), but just because your profession is to ‘pretend’ let’s not pretend she went by way of a ‘heart condition’ like so many others die from heart conditions every day…. most people aren’t taking those three drugs at the same time – and just about everyone knows if you’re taking those three drugs at the same time, you’re at risk of being highly addicted and/or dying…. and what doctor was prescribing these three drugs at the same time ?? Where are the police to investigate this? – does Oswalt have the same problem? Co-dependent? I hope not – for the child’s sake.

    Unbelievable! I understand living and loving an addict (that is your wife and mother to your child), but SAG member’s have access to 100% paid insurance for the best rehabs, and if you can’t get to that (for some ridiculous reason) at least get her off two of the three drugs.

    No wonder you’re a liberal darling, you’d have to face up to a lot of responsibility (and heavy guilt) if you weren’t.

    Normally I would try to cut someone the benefit of the doubt; wife’s addicted, didn’t know/realize – creates this ‘other death narrative’ to save the kid from lifelong torment, etc…. but if that’s the case, don’t go out on TV and fish for the praise of your worthiness…. oh yeah, and he’s a d*ck…. I predict a bigger train wreck coming.

    So sad….

    • Venus says:

      I don’t mean to sound callous because it is sad that the woman is dead at 46 but EVERYONE in Hollywood is on drugs — especially Adderall. They take that to get/stay thin.

  37. DeniseVB says:

    The Young Turks explain Milo …. stop making him important or something, something…..

  38. helenk3 says:

    sedition laws apply to berkeley rioters


    what is your opinion on this. If these laws start being applied there are a lot of groups that could be charged

  39. threewickets says:

    Milo is not evil, but he is probably fake and a sometimes false flagger. Like Westboro, but from another angle.

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