I Didn’t Leave Them, They Left Me


This guy and me have a lot in common. (Except for the gay thing)

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111 Responses to I Didn’t Leave Them, They Left Me

  1. DeniseVB says:

    Heh.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    For those keeping track :

    • elliesmom says:

      I’ve been involved in a conversation overnight with a group of teachers who mostly are against Betsy DeVos. Their reasons are the standard reasons most teachers give when they’re threatened with change. Public schools won’t have enough money to teach the kids if we siphon off some of it and give it to private schools who don’t have to teach all of the kids. It never occurs to them that someone might create a school geared to kids the public schools think they have to drug to teach.
      I support Betsy DeVos because if Wilbur and Orville Wright came to her and asked for money to create a new way of teaching our kids, she’d write them a check. Teachers’ unions would give the money to the factory that makes Conestoga wagon wheels.

      • Somebody says:

        The left’s freak out over DeVos is ridiculous. Education by and large is a local issue, a state issue at best. Sure DeVos is a proponent of choice, but she’s also a proponent of local control. So if she is even moderately successful, teachers and parents will end up with a lot more say.

        They look only at the perceived downside and negatives and none of the potential positives. Not all charter schools are great, but they aren’t all evil and bad either. Same with public schools. What works in one community won’t necessarily work in another. Those decisions will be made at a local level and there will be aduquate opportunity for input.

        • Somebody says:

          Adequate, stupid autocorrect

        • elliesmom says:

          The teachers think they’ve made a lot of changes to school already. I asked them if their school had a start and end time to the school day? Are the kids grouped by age instead of ability and interest? If a student is capable of completing a grade’s curriculum by January, is she required to wait for June to be promoted? Do the kids have desks, and is there a whiteboard, blackboard, or smart board where everyone in the class can see it? Is the curriculum broken down into “subjects”? All of these things are prominent features of early 20th century factory model education. Adding a computer tablet to a kid’s backpack doesn’t change that. Most of our kids today do not end up working in factories. Maybe they shouldn’t go to school in one. What would be better? I don’t claim to know,, but it should be worth exploring.

          • Somebody says:

            So often in public school they teach to the median or even to the lowest level and the advanced students often don’t reach their potential. It’s not something I was really aware of with my older children, they always made A’s…….yeah! They always tested at the highest level…..yeah! The gifted programs here are pull out, once a week you do something challenging usually a group project of some sort and you get extra homework, oh joy. Sure some of the projects really challenged the kids to think and they enjoyed some, but my kids generally saw it as a punishment almost……why do I get extra work.

            Fast forward to my youngest that was homeschooled out of necessity, she was literally allergic to the school building. Later she was diagnosed with cancer and we were grateful we had already committed to homeschool. She was advanced in many areas and not so advanced in others. If she had difficulty with a concept, we doubled back, approached it in a different way and made sure she had the concept before we moved on. If she immediately got something, we didn’t beat her over the head with it we moved on. She was able to delve into areas that interested her. She did parts of AP literature in 6th grade, because for some reason she had a keen interest in Shakespeare and she was that advanced. In fact her evaluator taught AP lit in high school and asked if she could have my daughter’s essays to show to her high schoolers. Her evaluator also chastised me for my grading, telling me it was A+ work and I had given her a high B. She took a free online college geology class in 8th grade because it interested her.

            My older kids and now my oldest grandchild didn’t spread their wings in that manner. They were pigeon holed so to speak, without me even realizing it with my older two. I really see it with my granddaughter. Mind you she’s in a very good public school, “A” grade in one of the best districts in the state (we were number 1 in the state, but lost our crown last year). So a good school in a good system, well above average nationally by any measure. Yet in my opinion she’s floundering.

            This district uses the AR program for reading, so sad too bad my granddaughter is at the highest level and there are precious few books in the school at her reading level. She has read all of the books they have. The teacher was sending her home with ridiculously easy books. We tired to intervene, to purchase books and donate them, books from the AR list we got off the AR website. So sorry, they’re not interested. Why? Because the tests are all computerized and their subscription covers X amount. The computer does all the grading and keeps track of the points. It is possible to access, download and print tests for additional books, but doggone it that would require the teacher to actually grade the test and manually tally the points…….apparently that is asking too much. So new rule, if you are at X reading level or higher, NO MORE BOOKS, NO MORE READING as of Christmas break, problem solved, smh. They’ve also done away with homework because apparently it was real problem for some of the kids…….so poof, no more homework. They’re supposed to get a sheet or two on Monday and then have until Friday to complete it, but that lasted two whole weeks.

            I see how public school sort of holds back my granddaughter and it did my older kids too, I just didn’t recognize it. I try to get her to read this or that. I try to challenge her with math or science. She’s quick to tell me that’s 2nd grade or 3rd grade level and I’m only in 1st. Whereas with my youngest that was homeschooled she simply moved on to the next challenge, what grade she was supposed to be in was never a factor. There was no pre-set limitation of a grade level, she progressed at her own rate.

            It is rather like a factory EM, the kids are widgets they all go through this process at this level and that process at the next level. Funny if you think about it, those old one room schoolhouses weren’t so terrible after all, at least in some ways. The kids attended and they were there to learn A through Z, if it took 3 years or 5 years or 10 years, they worked at their pace until they learned A through Z. I’m not saying we go back to that, but we can certainly try to think outside the box a little. It will take a different kind of thinking on the part of the parents every bit as much as it will on the part of the teachers and administrators. I look back with my older kids and thought I was “involved” in their education because I volunteered at the school (a lot btw). I did summer projects with them…….oh pat me on the back, what a good mom. I had no idea what they were REALLY learning, knowing the spelling words for the week or what chapter/concept in math is not knowing what your child is being taught.

            OK, gosh this has turned into a ridiculously long comment…..I will shut up, it’s lunch time anyway and the little ones are bizarrely quiet……YIKES!!!

          • elliesmom says:

            When I took the position as math,science, and engineering curriculum coordinator and developer for an online high school, the first thing I did was “unlock” the courses. Instead of the lessons popping up one at a time every week, you could access the entire course curriculum the first day of class. The teachers who had only ever taught online cheered but the teachers who had come from the traditional classroom tried to have me fired. lol The kids were moving through the courses too quickly, and that was creating too much work for the teachers. I only got one complaint from a parent, and that was her daughter wouldn’t stop working on the oceanography course and was letting her other work slide. She was reading, doing math, studying history and geography, as well as chemistry, physics, biology, and geology within the course and eating it up. Ideally, I would have liked to offer the course as an immersion class for 6 weeks or so, but it didn’t fit into the “model” where subjects are taught separately from each other. High school kids typically take 5 subjects each year. Why not 5 classes each taken for 20% of the school year instead of 20% of the daily “time on learning”?

          • Jadzia says:

            I got stuck in the 1980s version of the gifted program for a while in elementary school. It was AWFUL! Group projects, which I hated, plus there was the whole “Congratulations on winning the pie-eating contest, here’s your prize, more pie!” aspect to it. My 9 year old self was so relieved when we moved. From what I saw in Oregon right before we left, things have not really changed in that regard very much.

          • mothy67 says:

            The only homework pup ever gets is spelling. Drives me nuts.

        • Constance says:

          I like the idea of charter schools. I feel really bad for poor kids when they are stuck in schools that fail them. Their parents can’t afford private schools but in some cases these poor kids come from supportive cultures who would love the chance to educate their children in a relevant and effective way. Of course this will sometimes mean the money goes to churches but I don’t care unless they are breeding haters like Islamists. I have no problem with Black Protestants or Hispanic Catholics who want to educate their children within their culture being given the per student state money for the kids they educate. I also don’t have a problem with Jewish or pagan education. I do have a problem with ineffective education.

          • Jadzia says:

            Our Catholic school is publicly subsidized. If it wasn’t, I’d never be able to afford to send 4 kids. Basically, the teachers are paid just like public school teachers and we pay for some proportion that is equivalent to the amount of time spent on religion is how it seems to work. It’s a great school and having to pay a very modest amount of tuition seems to weed out the parents who don’t GAF. It’s “inner city” but is better than the public school they used to attend (which really was a decent school, but when you take all comers, you have to take all problems).

      • DeniseVB says:

        I think DeVos wants to give the power back to the parents which is a yuge threat to unions. I remember when School Boards feared the PTAs, it would be nice to go back to that.

        • AFVet says:

          It’s the teacher’s unions that are raising the most hell.
          Collins and Murkowsky get big bucks from the unions.
          Betsy wants to try a different way to educate the kids and her ideas sound perfectly logical to me.
          The present system is an obvious failure when comparing the results to other countries.
          This is very similar to the right to work movement we see going on in the states.

      • I support Betsy DeVos because if Wilbur and Orville Wright came to her and asked for money to create a new way of teaching our kids, she’d write them a check. Teachers’ unions would give the money to the factory that makes Conestoga wagon wheels.

        Brilliant, EM. So true.

  3. DeniseVB says:

    Shouldn”t a permit be required for open fires? Start enforcing those rules after raising those fines to $10,000, that should discourage those who do it to look cool or something 😉

  4. Dora says:

    Our country is being invaded and nobody seems to care. The politicians have even developed a smug attitude about it. Yikes! How long can it be before the war starts?

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    Top California Democrat: “Half of My Family” Here Illegally [CA State Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de Leon]
    http://www.fixthisnation.com/conservative-breaking-news/top-california-democrat-half-of-my-family-here-illegally/

    • lateblum says:

      ^This^ just pisses the hell out of me. Where the hell did these morons grow up to think that it’s okay to break the law if it makes you feel good.? If my family were still in Poland or Germany, or France, do you think the rest of the country would fight for their illegal presence in this country? What if I were to sneak them into the country and not tell anyone? Would I be considered a hero?
      F*ck this.

      • Jadzia says:

        I agree with you 1000%. How does this make sense that we’re supposed to feel sorry for de Leon BECAUSE his family members apparently broke the law? When did that become the rule?

  5. Dora says:

    I am so, so sick of these people. So, sue me!

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    ANOTHER Muslim hate crime hoax?

    Notice how most of these alleged ‘anti-Muslim incidents’ never seem to happen where there are CCTV cameras or even one passerby with a cell phone.

    http://www.barenakedislam.com/2017/02/07/another-muslim-hate-crime-hoax/

  6. Somebody says:

    Excellent video by Rubin. It shocks me sometimes when “progressive” friends and family members spout BS about trigger words and dog whistles or they applaud gay cakes.

    I ask them what happened? Where are their anti-establishment beliefs? How many times have I heard keep the government out of my bedroom, but suddenly you advocate having them in bathrooms and locker rooms? It’s OK to have them in bakeries? Apparently it’s cool everywhere except the bedroom, smh.

    If you really talk to some of them running just below the surface is authoritarianism. They simply want everyone forced to feel and believe as they do. They have no desire to “stick it to the man” if the man sees the world the way they do. Then they cheer the man and violence isn’t a problem either. You point things out and they say, but it’s right that’s how it should be, because feelings or moral superiority. Absolutely no sense of self-awareness.

  7. votermom says:

    FREEBIE!

  8. Lulu says:

    When unreasonable people act like loons you cut the money off. Teenagers, drug addicts, criminals, mentally ill family members, etc. There comes a moment when it is enabling them to even talk to them and especially give them one red cent or access to it. The national shit fit by the spoiled, entitled, brats is doing adults no good and it is not doing the BRATS any good either. They are already threatening to secede, run away from the country and burn the house down. DO IT! Shut up with the threats and do it you coward leeches. Not a penny, not a nickel, not a dime as the rest of us unwind from having anything to do with you. Let us cut off the power too. And the natural gas, and the gasoline. And food! How about the food! Starve while having your fits. Because you won’t be able to buy any anyway since you don’t have any MONEY! And please, please, please get your learning impaired court of Appeals in Loonyville to rule that a US President has no authority over Google to import slaves and fuck that national security thing. Please. So we can kick your asses out of the UNION. No more enabling. This is a mass hysteria of the arrested developmentally shitheads. Jam their cell towers and watch the meltdowns.

  9. dm says:

    I had a conversation with my son recently, who has suffered from drug addiction and social anxiety. He is actively trying to make some changes in his life to have a more positive outlook – his words. He says he no longer listens to rap; he now listens more to reggae. He has also decided to step away from the politics. He was an avid Sanders supporter, but he says he realized he was always angry and he couldn’t understand why. His facebook feed was full of angry leftist shit, so he has come to the conclusion that Trump may end up helping the economy, our national security, and the cities…he said who knows, but I’m not going to spend my time and energy being angry about things anymore…he is going to live his life and hope for the best. I was very proud that he had taken the time for some inner reflection and is taking steps to better his psyche…now, if I could only get the daughter to give rational thinking a try.

    • Lulu says:

      Good for him. He will find being busy will help too. So often young people get off into stuff because they are bored, unchallenged, and have nothing to use up their energy. The young years used to be the most productive of our lives and now we don’t expect them to do shit. Young men and women who work hard, learn, are productive don’t get into as much trouble because they are too tired and/or interested in other stuff.

    • votermom says:

      That’s great, dm!
      I try to do that too – choose my “inputs” carefully, because I am prone to depression and anxiety. Choice of music is specially important – music has such an impact on mood.

      • dm says:

        I used to carpool with him to work, so I am very familiar with the lyrics…the majority rap about drugs, sex, violence and ho’s…never understood how the black community could condone this “music”.

        • votermom says:

          Reggae is upbeat and generally happy – good choice!
          I usually listen to KLove specially when I’m down because they are “positive and encouraging”, sometimes to classical, and sometimes to classic rock.

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    • AFVet says:

      Has he ever read C. S. Lewis?

    • lateblum says:

      Best of luck to your son and your daughter as well. If your son begins to feel better about life – or less bad about it, at least, then may be your daughter will follow. I wish you the best as well. seeing our kids be unhappy, angry, using drugs or other substances, is heart breaking.

    • swanspirit says:

      Sounds so promising for your son! I am sure that makes you happy.

    • Constance says:

      That is great. I hope these steps bring him peace and then contentedness.

  10. votermom says:

    Milo has this on his FB page

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  13. foxyladi14 says:

    He is doing the job, That he was elected to do. 😀

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    Someone dares to speak out in UK.

    “Baroness Flather, a cross-bench peer, says it is ‘absolutely appalling’ that first cousin marriages in Pakistani communities are leading to ‘so much disability among children”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html

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  17. Dora says:

    This was a happy day. I remember it well. 🙂

  18. Dora says:

    I guess you just have to see this to believe it.

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    Richard Branson and Barack Obama kiteboard

    https://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/richard-vs-barack-kiteboard-and-foilboard-challenge

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  22. lateblum says:

    This is too bad………….

    Did I forget to add /sarcasm ?

  23. votermom says:

    LOL Local talk tadio pointing out that Cory Booker ran for mayor of Newark on a pro school choice agenda, and partnered with Betsy De Vos.

  24. Watching Jake Tapper lose his shit on Kellyanne Conway on CNN.

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