The Ugly Truth About Obamacare R&R

Washington Free Beacon:

House Republicans Unveil ACA Replacement Plan, Eliminating Obamacare’s Taxes and Mandates

House Republicans introduced legislation to replace the Affordable Care Act on Monday night. The American Health Care Act attempts to deliver relief to the American people from Obamacare’s taxes and regulatory mandates.

Republicans have introduced multiple proposals to replace Obamacare leading up to this point and now the American Health Care Act serves as the replacement that lawmakers, along with President Trump, have chosen to put before the Energy and Commerce and Ways and Means committees this week for mark-up.

The act will keep some of Obamacare’s popular provisions, including protecting individuals with preexisting conditions from the denial of coverage or increased costs and allowing young people to stay on their parents’ plan until they are 26.

The act, however, will eliminate Obamacare’s taxes and the individual and employer mandates, which Republicans say have hurt job creators, increased costs, and limited choices for patients and health care providers.

“Our plan delivers relief from all of Obamacare’s taxes, including dismantling taxes on prescription drugs, over-the-counter medications, health-insurance premiums, and medical devices,” House Republicans said. “And we immediately eliminate the individual and employer mandate penalties, which forced millions of people into Obamacare plans they don’t want and cannot afford.”

Without mandates Obamacare is dead. It was dying anyway. The whole scheme was unworkable from the get-go.

But here is the ugly truth that Republicans are going to have to deal with: Voters still want the kind of health care reform that Obama promised but didn’t deliver.

They want a health care system that:

1. Covers everyone
2. Covers everything
3. Is top quality
4. Is fast and efficient
5. Is cheap

Worst of all, they expect the government to provide it or at least facilitate it. And Democrats will continue to tell them that it’s the GOP’s fault that they can’t have it.


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105 Responses to The Ugly Truth About Obamacare R&R

  1. BTW – R&R stands for “repeal and replace”

  2. DeniseVB says:

    I found a copy of the bill … of course whatever’s in it, the Dems will hate it.

  3. foxyladi14 says:

    The Dims Hate every thing the R words do or say. 😡

  4. Venus says:

    Right now the Dems/MSM are in full “Cover Obama’s Ass” mode so I doubt this plan gets much attention — just like the new EO on immigration got overshadowed.

    Trump tweeted “let the negotiations begin” about the R&R plan. I expect there will be fixes and compromises to get the lumps out.

    But yes, you are right — people still want it all without having to pay for it & stupidly think the government can provide it. Name me ONE FUCKING THING that the government has taken over that it has improved while decreasing cost? You can’t — because what always happens is you pay more and get less/worse. Look at what the Dept. of Education has done since it was created in 1980. We are paying more per pupil than anywhere else in the world and we are graduating kids who can’t read.

    • mcnorman says:

      Government dropping the cost is bs. You are correct not one thing that the government has ever taken over has ever improved and decreased in cost. Look at the VA. $$$$$$$ thrown into the toilet.

    • DeniseVB says:

      The link to the bill I posted above pretty much says it’s a process to repeal and replace.

      Did you see where Trump told Planned Parenthood he’ll continue to fund them if they stop doing abortions and concentrate more on women’s health care? LOL !

      • lateblum says:

        What I heard this morning is that they said “No Way Jose`” And they still want their tax exempt status maintained.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Phooey. PP has a political action committee they fundraise for and give it all to Dems. Let them fundraise for their baby killing operations. I don’t even think they provide FREE contraception? Now that’s one thing I’d support, abortion prevention freebies.

          • lateblum says:

            I’d support that as well. I’d also be more likely to support PP if they actually did what they say they do. .. provide for all women who need them. But, unless they’ve changed in the last several years, they don’t provide for women who cannot afford to pay for their services or who don’t have healthcare insurance to pay for the services.

          • DeniseVB says:

            They don’t provide adoption alternatives or do referrals either?

          • lateblum says:

            They didn’t when I sent my indigent patient there seeking an abortion. They said to “come back” when she could afford the $350 fee. (That was a few years ago. I imagine it’s gone up since then.) They also didn’t offer counseling to the daughter of a friend of mine who ended up taking her own life within days of her “procedure”.

      • mcnorman says:

        I’m sure that PP will take him up on that. LOL

    • foxyladi14 says:

      or Write or Spill!!! 😯

    • Constance says:

      The thing is a lot of the things Democrats want to do for society are admirable but they aren’t appropriate for government. Let the Federal government build roads and the military and enforce borders and all these wonderful programs the Dems should finance independently. Give their own time and their own money. Set up a charity to offer a very low cost very basic health care plan people can buy etc. It is not right to heavily tax people so Democrats can do their feel good charity work.

      • lateblum says:

        “It is not right to heavily tax people so Democrats can do their feel good charity work.”

        All while they are hateful and angry and trying to overturn what most people voted for in Novmber.

      • blowme0bama says:

        Their “feel good charity work” is nothing more than a stalking horse to create government jobs and contracts for their supporters and cronies on everyone else’s dimes. They don’t give a flying fuck about any of it.

        • lateblum says:

          You’re talking about the bureaucrats. I was talking about the peasant Dems. And we’re both right.
          The “family get-togethers” are rife with hateful talk about Republicans, and how “bigoted” some school principals are because they “don’t do anything special to celebrate Black History Month” and churches and religions – except Islam of course. And then they honor PP and the DOE, and teacher unions and the Dem party because #caring.

    • kanaughty says:

      I’ve heard that they still haven’t introduced insurance across state lines yet either. these insurers need competition. this would definitely get costs down if there are no state lines anymore. I hated how every two years I moved states and I would have to buy new health insurance. that was dumb and an inconvenient. and you are basically on probation for the first couple of months with that new insurance which is bogus just because you have to move in your life.

      same with pharma. nothing in this current bill talks about pharma negotiations so that they can’t charge a literal arm and a leg for example on needed diabetic meds or epinephrin. no more endless patents on drugs or raising prices after a drug has been proven to work for 50 years. it should be market based supply and demand. if humira is the most used prescription drug in America, then it should be the cheapest because since there are that many customers, the supply should be theoretically high, so prices should not be $5000 a month anymore (without coupon card) and so my mom should be able to get it on medicare. and when a drug is supposed to go to generic, then it needs to go to generic asap. my relpax for migraines has been off patent since 2012 or so, and yet there is still no generic. I guess even my hubs humira is supposed to be on generic by now, but it isn’t so the price for it is so inflated when it shouldn’t have to be.

  5. Dora says:

    Wikileaks has released Vault 7. It’s an awful lot to read. I’ll have to print it and put it aside until later.


    RELEASE: Vault 7 Part 1 “Year Zero”: Inside the CIA’s global hacking force

  6. taw46 says:

    I am waiting to hear from Betsy McCaughey on this proposal, she is the one I trust. She was the expert on the disastrous Obamacare. I cannot find a new article about her, this one is from 2/27. So, I guess she is reading it now.

  7. Dora says:

    I just saw this on Varney.

    They were so delighted, as I would have been. 🙂

    • blowme0bama says:

      Damn it. Was hoping for something in my area so my house price skyrockets and I can retire.

    • CiscoKid says:

      Ex-president Obama.
      President Trump waived his magic wand and brought back jobs. Folks running the Dakota pipe line said they could have oil flowing in a week.

  8. Jeffhas says:

    Well, at least the Republicans release the bill so it could be read in advance of being passed so the public would know what’s in it…. and I was told only 123 pages, right?

    What friggin’ sane person would compare this bill and the ACA and not wonder what the heck the Democrats were doing?

    • Somebody says:

      True they did release it and it’s not thousands of pages, but it seems to be Obamacare lite without the funding mechanisms.

      We need to have a debate about HEALTH CARE, instead we keep having a debate about insurance. Insurance is a payment method for health care, it’s not health care. Yes, we need to find ways to make insurance coverage affordable……but we also need to talk about how to make actual health care affordable. We need transparency in the cost of medical services. We need to figure out a way to bring down the cost of drugs in the US too.

      I don’t see a way around keeping the Medicaid expansion and even if we could revoke it should we? I think we probably should keep it, but we have to figure out how to pay for it. Tax credits or tax deductions I think are reasonable for everyone else, but if the premiums are too high what good are credits or deductions? You could offer a deduction for service on all Lamborghinis, but if I can’t afford a Lamborghini in the first place what good does a write off or credit do me? Then there are those high risk individuals with medical conditions……a high risk pool? Opening up Medicaid to high risk individuals? Either way it’s obviously going to be subsidized to some degree and where is that money going to come from?

      Again all of this is about insurance coverage in some fashion, but the real debate needs to be about costs.

      • Constance says:

        And actual health care. I have a 63 year old friend with chronic asthma, she has subsidized health insurance, the copay and deductible are so high she can’t go to the Dr or buy enough inhalers but she always pays her insurance bill. So she has insurance and zero health care.

        • kanaughty says:

          I wish there was a way that in paying a premium, it was actually something you can dip into to pay the bills too so like an hsa, but it is the premium instead. I feel like premiums are such a waste of money with how high they have gotten and yet they don’t cover hardly anything anymore. it’s more like continually knowingly paying for lottery tickets, but there is actually no jackpot at the end even if you did win.

      • kanaughty says:

        personally, I wish we could go back to not having the middle man of insurance. those companies are the reason why all the services are so much money because hospitals etc. know they can just bill insurance those ridiculous prices for ultrasounds, xrays, and doctor visits, etc.

        look at veterinary services, since not that many people have insurance for their pets, most services are less than $1000 and more like less that $500 for all bloodwork and an xray, or whatever it takes to diagnose and treat a pet for something on that visit. where as the same stuff can cost us as humans because of insurance interference up to $5000 but sometimes even more than that when it come to adding in a treatment.

        I personally think it is the insurance industry that has screwed us in this whole health care thing. hospitals now depend on insurance so they can charge insurance like $5000+ for an ultrasound and have the consumer still pay something like $2000 for that same ultrasound after insurance “helps” pay their share.

        so the prices on every service has been inflated because hospitals know they will dependably make bank from insurance companies for whatever price the hospitals want to charge, even when it seems ridiculously priced.

        • lateblum says:

          So true, kanaughty. I used to work for a health insurance company when I first got out of college. I saw the way people paid their premiums and how the insurance company routinely refused to pay for anything but the basic care. In fact, I threatened to blow the whistle on them with the MSM at the time if they didn’t pay for the care of an infant that was born with spina bifida. They claimed it was a “pre-existing condition”, and that ruled out reimbursement for treatment. Within 5 minutes of my phone calls to every single department that rejected the claim, I received call from each of those departments stating they had made a “mistake” and that all claims would be paid in full.
          I wasn’t fooling about going public about their outright fraud. I had the phone number of the tv anchorman who routinely took on consumer fraud in the area. And I let the dept heads know that was who I intended to notify.
          I guess I digressed. It was the insurance companies who set the bar for what percentage of cost they would pay and I think this led to the ever increasing cost of care. The health insurance companies used to be eager to blame the cost of malpractice insurance for the rise in health care costs. I believe it is more the greed of all the industries involved in health care.

  9. CiscoKid says:

    Meanwhile,back in WDC.
    Grassley pushes back on need for independent counsel
    10:14 a.m.

    In a jam-packed committee room where attendees sat shoulder-to-shoulder — hinting at the level of interest in what would normally be a routine confirmation hearing — committee chair Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) kicked off proceedings with a fierce rebuttal of calls for an independent prosecutor in any ongoing investigation into Russian interference in the election.
    “The notion that somehow a special counsel will bring facts to light just isn’t true,” Grassley said.

    Sessions’ recusal last week means that Rosenstein will command any such investigation.

    Ranking member Feinstein was careful to note that her calls for an independent prosecutor were not related to Rosenstein’s professionalism or integrity, as Grassley had suggested.

    “Any insinuatin that Mr. Rosenstein lacks the impatialty and professionalism to handle these kind of matters is out of line,” Grassley said, referring to calls for such an office from Democrats generally. “His independence is beyond reproach.”
    Then why are you f’king with him?

  10. DeniseVB says:

    Fake Sean “Spicier” punked Univision 😛

  11. AFVet says:

    Tucker Carlson on the government and Trump.

  12. votermom says:

    reposting the freebie

  13. CiscoKid says:

    Please, please, stop this madness or shoot me if you can’t. 🔫

    ‘Toni The Tampon’ Coloring Book Reminds Kids: Men Get Periods Too…

    Sponge Bob Square Pants has competition.

    Via MRC:

    DC-based artist Cass Clemmer wants to destigmatize periods. But, in the process, she wants to “de-gender” them as well.

    Growing up in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Clemmer hit puberty in a society that kept mum about menstruation and the biology behind it. Because of her personal experience, she sought to stop that silence, while also shining a light on the “men” who get periods too.

    To achieve that goal, she created the character “Toni” — a literal tampon with googly eyes — and started posting photos of it to her Instagram account. The project soon developed into a coloring book. Called The Adventures of Toni the Tampon, the book has a full range of feminine product characters, including Marina the Menstrual Cup, Patrice the Pad and Sebastian the Sponge.

    But wait. “Feminine products” is the wrong term. That’s exclusive.

    As Mashable’s Katie Dupere reminded her readers: “Sebastian the Sponge is a man. And yes, men do get periods.”

    As it turns out, Clemmer intentionally chose a gender-ambiguous name for her book’s protagonist, as a way to “affirm all menstruators.”

  14. AFVet says:

    More on Obamagate.
    Long read but worth it.
    Somebodies head has to roll on this one.

    • CiscoKid says:

      Definitely worth reading.
      “The AG must certify”
      That would be Tarmac Lynch.
      It gets better every day.

  15. CiscoKid says:
    I wish I could be around to vote for this little lady.
    Bright and articulate. And has plans.

  16. CiscoKid says:

    Russia and independent counsel.
    That’s all these freaking Dem’s know.
    Feinstein, Rosenstein declined to weigh in on the need for a special counsel, arguing that he doesn’t know the underlying facts as the current acting deputy attorney general does and therefore cannot make a determination on whether such a role is needed.
    Feinstein was unsatisfied, arguing that she interpreted his answer as a “no.”

    Rosenstein pushed back gently.

    “I’m simply not in a position to answer that,” he said.

    Later, pressed on the same subject by Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), he affirmed: “”I will appoint a special counsel whenever I determine it’s appropriate based on the policies and procedures of the Department of Justice.”

    Rosenstein sees no reason for his own recusal

  17. lateblum says:

    There was a really nasty/ugly comment at the end of the linked ABC article/report. So, Again, I ask that you go there and leave a comment (It’s a disqus comment thingie).

  18. lateblum says:

    I’m leaving this here because I have to go for the remainder of the morning and early afternoon, and I don’t know where else to leave it….. 😉

  19. mothy67 says:

    I am about to watch Manchester by the Sea. I had no desire to see it. My friends love it and are insisting I watch, Seems James Franco’s little bro gets stuck raising a kid; okay not franco but some other Hollywood scion that got famoius because of an older brother I will watch as I need to say shut up, I am clueless about the movie. All I know is my “friends” think I did something trendyby caring for Shaypup. no its hell. I am always worried about everything nd pretty sure I am stuckI now support assisted suicide She can’t blossom. I am not ready for her to kiss a boy, Boobs were hard enogh; Not yet give me 20 more yearsAll I ask is for 3560 days to get it together. I am not greedy. its one decade

    Anyhow I have Chinese and washed comforters. I am going to snuggle and watch Montgomery james dean ben matt asslick tell me in hollywierd what its like to raise a kid

    • lateblum says:

      I don’t think I can ever watch it again. I am still depressed from the movie.
      However, I thought the performances were wonderful.

  20. Dora says:

    “And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth.

    “Who controls the past,” ran the Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”

    George Orwell, “1984″

  21. AFVet says:

    WINNING !!!
    Remember when Trump said that we were no longer going to let China break the rules ?
    Remember when he said that he knew people that are brilliant negotiators but are nasty when it comes down to dealing with cheaters ?

    This administration has teeth, Bring it Dems.

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