Happy Bonnie and Clyde Day!


Police kill famous outlaws Bonnie and Clyde

On this day in 1934, notorious criminals Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow are shot to death by Texas and Louisiana state police while driving a stolen car near Sailes, Louisiana.

Bonnie Parker met the charismatic Clyde Barrow in Texas when she was 19 years old and her husband (she married when she was 16) was serving time in jail for murder. Shortly after they met, Barrow was imprisoned for robbery. Parker visited him every day, and smuggled a gun into prison to help him escape, but he was soon caught in Ohio and sent back to jail. When Barrow was paroled in 1932, he immediately hooked up with Parker, and the couple began a life of crime together.

After they stole a car and committed several robberies, Parker was caught by police and sent to jail for two months. Released in mid-1932, she rejoined Barrow. Over the next two years, the couple teamed with various accomplices to rob a string of banks and stores across five states–Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, New Mexico and Louisiana. To law enforcement agents, the Barrow Gang–including Barrow’s childhood friend, Raymond Hamilton, W.D. Jones, Henry Methvin, Barrow’s brother Buck and his wife Blanche, among others–were cold-blooded criminals who didn’t hesitate to kill anyone who got in their way, especially police or sheriff’s deputies. Among the public, however, Parker and Barrow’s reputation as dangerous outlaws was mixed with a romantic view of the couple as “Robin Hood”-like folk heroes.

Their fame was increased by the fact that Bonnie was a woman–an unlikely criminal–and by the fact that the couple posed for playful photographs together, which were later found by police and released to the media. Police almost captured the famous duo twice in the spring of 1933, with surprise raids on their hideouts in Joplin and Platte City, Missouri. Buck Barrow was killed in the second raid, and Blanche was arrested, but Bonnie and Clyde escaped once again. In January 1934, they attacked the Eastham Prison Farm in Texas to help Hamilton break out of jail, shooting several guards with machine guns and killing one.

Texan prison officials hired a retired Texas police officer, Captain Frank Hamer, as a special investigator to track down Parker and Barrow. After a three-month search, Hamer traced the couple to Louisiana, where Henry Methvin’s family lived. Before dawn on May 23, Hamer and a group of Louisiana and Texas lawmen hid in the bushes along a country road outside Sailes. When Parker and Barrow appeared, the officers opened fire, killing the couple instantly in a hail of bullets.

All told, the Barrow Gang was believed responsible for the deaths of 13 people, including nine police officers. Parker and Barrow are still seen by many as romantic figures, however, especially after the success of the 1967 film Bonnie and Clyde, starring Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty.


I am so sick of everything right now.


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164 Responses to Happy Bonnie and Clyde Day!

  1. NBD says:

    On the positive side, Trump’s budget looks like more winning: slash Medicaid, EPA, SSDI, Food Stamps, etc. And a nice, tasty tax cut on top of it all!

    • mothy67 says:

      I’d be happy. If they just made it a requirement that you be a citizen..

      • DandyTIger says:

        Supposedly the majority of those cuts are just from eliminating illegals and others that aren’t legally allowed to collect. Just looking at the numbers before the recession started and what they should be with a booming economy provides most of that difference whether illegal collections or not though.

    • mothy67 says:

      What about people with severe mental disorders. The truly infirm? A society has to have compassion for its weakest. The figures for refugees are astounding. Hospitals have to treat in ER. No medicaid everyone’s costs go up. Priorities should be Americans first.

    • taw46 says:

      Many of those are not actual cuts in current spending, but cuts in PROPOSED spending.

  2. Dora says:

    • mothy67 says:

      Rich. kimdotcom said he was willing to work with authorities if he was granted safe passage to and from NZ.

    • DandyTIger says:

      Sounds like Hannity is going down the crazy Beck road. Maybe he’ll cash in like Beck did, and be even more crazy. Whatever dude. Put up or shut up. So far you look nuts to me.

      • mothy67 says:

        I can’t watch. Should there be something significant it’ll be twitter 30 seconds later.
        Maybe he wants out of his contract.

  3. NewOrleans says:

    This is good!

  4. Somebody says:

    Denise……you little mind reader, you were correct my son had no idea about the awards ceremony. I’m ashamed to admit it, but I jumped on him when he came in the door for not telling me. He said, no mom she just had a class party and then she piped up and said this morning was the school awards ceremony.

    Those types of school wide events are on the school’s monthly calendar and for whatever reason my granddaughter didn’t get one in her binder this month. My son didn’t think it was a big deal because it’s the end of the year. He was upset too, he said he would have taken off work because he knew she’d be recognized for all A’s all year and he felt pretty strongly she was one of the top kids for accelerated reader……the other stuff he was surprised by. He’s going to plan something too, like the zoo or chuckie cheese. It’s kind of funny if you think about it, granddaughter is going to make out because we all feel so badly. If we had known and gone, we’d all just clap and pat her on the back and probably wouldn’t be planning all this stuff. Hmmmm….nah, couldn’t be.

    • mothy67 says:

      Check if your school has a Mom’s page connected but not sponsored by schools. We have one and people use it to share/give things away that kids have outgrown. All activities are listed.

    • elliesmom says:

      Kids are notorious for forgetting to get notices safely to their parents. I used to stand at the door with a stapler. If the kids couldn’t show me they had a note for home in their backpack, I’d staple one to their clothes. if a parent told me he or she didn’t get one, I’d threaten to staple the next one to the kid’s forehead. And my students were teenagers. 😉

      • foxyladi14 says:

        😀

      • Jadzia says:

        My favorite example of this was the day that my kid said to me, AT BREAKFAST, “By the way, I need to bring a picnic today.”

        This was when we were living in the country, half an hour’s drive from the nearest grocery store.

  5. NewOrleans says:

    Classic Donald Trump!

  6. taw46 says:

    Worth reading.

  7. lateblum says:

    Swannie, I left you some info on the portable AC in the last thread. 💕

  8. taw46 says:

  9. helenk3 says:

    this is the best video I have seen in awhile. I have been asking the same question for a long time

  10. NewOrleans says:

    Hannity caved on Seth Rich. Sad.

  11. mothy67 says:

    Posted this on wrong thread
    For Klown

  12. taw46 says:

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  14. helenk3 says:

    http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/05/24/kim-dotcom-releases-new-statement-on-seth-rich-and-it-may-shock-you/

    does anyone remember law enforcement both local and federal ever standing down like they seem to be doing in this case?

  15. taw46 says:

  16. taw46 says:

    • Ann says:

      There were a lot more people there when we saw it. 🙂

      The Vatican is an amazing museum of art. Even if you are not religious or an art aficionado (I am neither), if you are in Rome, go to the Vatican. It truly is an amazing experience.

      • taw46 says:

        It is, I had chills when I visited (and I am not Catholic). I even climbed to the top of St. Peter’s, what a view of Rome and Vatican City. And did you notice they are behind the glass screen that protects the Pieta? So fortunate to have that intimate view.

        • Jadzia says:

          We are going to the Vatican this summer (see: my dowdy outfit) and I am SO EXCITED. Had to explain to Mommy’s Little Atheist that he was just going to have to see it as a day at the museum.

          • taw46 says:

            Maybe it will inspire him, 😉. And yes, I dressed conservatively when I visited. No “bare the boobs” top for me, lol.

          • Jadzia says:

            He is pretty firm in his non-belief. My job at this point is to teach him not to be a jerk about it, for example, when I want him to go to church to support his brother on the occasion of said brother’s First Communion.

            The Little Atheist is also the kid who went around telling OTHER PEOPLE’S KIDS that there is no Santa Claus, until I heard what was going on and got the hook. Clearly, I have my work cut out for me.

          • taw46 says:

            Lol, yes you do! How old is he?

          • Jadzia says:

            He’s 11. A precocious 11, 2 years ahead at (Catholic!) school. He’s a great kid, but once he makes up his mind, it’s hard to get him to change it.

          • Kathy says:

            Jadzia..my daughter and I purchased tickets online to see David and for a couple of museums in Florence the summer we went. Can’t remember the site but you can probably Google it. Was great since there were lines and it was hot as Hades the summer that we went.

          • Jadzia says:

            Thanks! I am really dreading the heat. : ( But it’s just as awful at home, so there’s that.

          • Ann says:

            Jadzia, I think Kathy is talking about the Firenze Card (?). We used it in Florence. When we went to the Uffizi there was still a Firenze line to get in, but it was 1/10th the size of the regular line. At the Accademia Gallery, we had a private tour guide + the Firenze Card and did not wait even a second. We also used it for the Museo Galileo because we were walking by and, hey, why not?

            http://www.firenzecard.it/?lang=en

          • Jadzia says:

            Thanks! We are definitely doing everything we can to shorten the lines. I learned that the last time we went to Rome!

        • gram krakka says:

          I was moved to tears when viewing the Pieta in the Vatican and the statue of David in Florence. What genius to be able to look at a huge block of marble, envision a statue, and get your brain to work with your hands to produce such perfectly proportioned human forms that are so life like that viewers can’t help but respond emotionally.

          Wish we could see the Pieta up close, but since that nutjob attacked it in 1972, it is understandable that it must be protected.

  17. taw46 says:

    • taw46 says:

      • DeniseVB says:

        Such a contrast to Meeechelle hula-hooping with the host country’s kids. She always brought her Let’s Move and NoKidsFatBehinds on the road. Or took her Educate Girls lectures to countries who perform well ahead of our kids. The only thing she seemed to be advocating was herself.

        Like Diana and Kate, Melania brings awareness by visiting with a country’s good causes and the great people who run them. That’s good use of being a press magnet. 🙂

        • taw46 says:

          It was hard to find these tweets. You have to wade through so many hate tweets about the Trumps, mostly Melania. It is really bad out there today.

          • DeniseVB says:

            The Melania/Ivanka wore a veil !!!!1!! are the dumbest, that’s not submission, that’s respect you idiots. I did get to relay how my mom would slap a kleenx on my head, attached with a bobby pin, when I forgot to wear a hat or veil to Mass. I swear, I thought it was to prevent lightening from striking me. 🙂

          • taw46 says:

            And Michelle wore a veil when she met the Pope. It’s different when they do it, idiots.

        • foxyladi14 says:

          Amen Denise!! 😀

      • swanspirit says:

        I love this woman!!! My respect and admiration for her grows daily.

    • votermom says:

      Melania is very motherly. Kind of goes against the supermodel image but you can tell she loves nurturing.

      • taw46 says:

        I read that she personally wrote a letter to the Pope, requesting permission to visit.

        • votermom says:

          Is she Catholic?

          • taw46 says:

            I read that she is Catholic.

          • Jadzia says:

            Slovenia is apparently more than half Catholic, with the next 4 largest groups being undeclared, non-religious (probably from the Soviet era), unknown, and “Believer, no religion,” Wikipedia tells me. There really are no other religious groups with a major presence: Islam is 2.4%, Eastern Orthodox is 2.3%, and Lutheran is 0.8 percent. I was surprised to see that there were so few Orthodox there–I’m guessing that’s all the Serbs, because they make up two percent and change of the population.

  18. taw46 says:

    Nice video from NBC.

    • gram krakka says:

      The Sistine Chapel can be overwhelming – so much to see. Fortunately we were able to ditch the hoards of tourists being herded through the chapel and sit down in quiet corners and just attempt to soak up as much as we could of the many complex scenes on the walls and ceiling.

      • taw46 says:

        Luckily we visited in the off season, November, so not as crazy as summer. I wanted to stretch out on the floor, so I could look at the ceiling, lol. We, too, were able to find seats and try to absorb as much as we could.

  19. taw46 says:

  20. foxyladi14 says:

    Meeting the Pope!!

  21. Dora says:

    President Trump is not going to be impressed with all this scenery. And he is not a fool.

    ===

    NATO feel-good meeting aims to impress Trump

    BRUSSELS: Ribbon-cutting, jets overhead and a dinner in a new, billion-dollar headquarters:

    Donald Trump’s first meeting at North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) on Thursday is choreographed to impress a US president who called the Western alliance “obsolete.”

    In a fortuitous twist, a series of NATO goals including a new HQ and expansion to include new member Montenegro have coalesced around Trump’s visit, which officials have kept free from the dense policy debates of their biennial summits.

    http://www.arabnews.com/node/1104031/world

  22. taw46 says:

    In Manchester, children died as well as parents waiting to pick up their children after the concert. Some of those killed have family members who are in the hospital with injuries.

    I am so tired of hearing from the “leaders” and the left that nothing can be done. They just don’t want to do anything. For starters, they can close the borders, deport hate-preaching Imams, deny re-entry to those who traveled to ME to fight with ISIS, arrest or deport those on watch lists. This one, as so many others, was known to police.

    If they don’t take action, it is obvious that they do not care about anyone, not even the children. What kind of country are you if you don’t even care about the youngest among us?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4535702/Liverpool-schoolgirl-5-victim-Manchester-attack.html

    • Jadzia says:

      I agree with you 100%. If I see one more fucking politician wringing his/her hands and saying EITHER “Gosh, I wish there was something we could have done” or “Sadly, we are just going to have to get used to this” I am going to put my fist through the wall of my rented home.

      And I agree with you 200% on your last point. A society that doesn’t GAF about its children, that doesn’t think that little girls are to be valued and protected even if it might hurt some maniac’s FEELINGS–that’s a society without a future. I am ashamed of pretty much all of Western society’s leaders at this point because of their absolute impotence and/or refusal to do anything (Trump possibly excepted and the president of Hungary definitely excepted and there are probably a few others I’m overlooking).

      • taw46 says:

        I am also tired of the memorials, the flowers, the signs saying ‘love not hate’, “they won’t divide us”, etc. Have the memorials if you must, but follow up with demanding that the leaders take action. March in the street everyday if you have to. If you don’t, you are just as bad. Yeah, I don’t have much hope for Western civilization at this point. They won’t even admit that we are at war, this goes beyond terrorism. They won’t fight.

        • taw46 says:

          At least we fought back here by electing Trump. Although the left/globalists are doing all they can to nullify that.

        • Jadzia says:

          Are you me? It makes me sick to see the damn candlelight vigils and teddy bears and “love trumps hate” hippie nonsense at this point. It’s like there’s something shameful about being ANGRY about the slaughter of little children and the destruction of our culture.

          I feel like I’m surrounded by people who are so open-minded that their fucking brains fell out of their heads long ago.

        • Jadzia says:

          I will say that every Krav Maga class in my city has been oversubscribed for the past year and a half. Normal people seem to feel like they are really on their own.

      • mcnorman says:

        I share your frustration Jadzia. Children seem to be expendable to these asshats.

        • Jadzia says:

          I don’t even understand really what it is that ISIS wants at this point. It’s not like the IRA or the Basque terrorists or hell, even the Palestinian terrorists, who had actual demands. It’s just sheer nihilism.

          • taw46 says:

            Well, they keep telling us in all their videos that they want to destroy us and establish a Caliphate. So I’m inclined to believe them.

          • Jadzia says:

            Yeah, I get that, but it kind of reminds me of “Step 1, Step 2 …. profit?” Like how do they get to where they want from where they are? That’s what I meant what I was talking about other terrorists groups making demands. (Usually it’s “let our prisoners go” kind of stuff.)

          • mcnorman says:

            I don’t either. Seems no different to me than the Nazis

      • swanspirit says:

        I am right there with you. British troops are in the streets, which are littered with the bodies of slaughtered children, but don’t insult the Muslims?
        Speaking of Catholics, no one minded insulting, berating, and holding the entire Catholic populace responsible, from the lay people to the pope, when priests were found to be abusing children.
        People demanded action, and the media was not reticent with their coverage or opinions either. I don’t remember anyone saying, don’t upset the Catholics.

        • DeniseVB says:

          They should allow priests to marry, as a Catholic who had to go through the pre-nuptial school of guilt with a priest before we could marry in the Church, how did he know how we should “behave” in a marriage? He didn’t have a clue ! I always thought that was weird.

          • mothy67 says:

            Silly Denise think about what that would have done to the plot of The Thorn Birds. You should really think these things through. Every time someone brings up priests marrying I think of people Maggie. Gay marriage makes it almost impossible now.

        • Jadzia says:

          Hear, hear.

    • Jadzia says:

      I would also add, strip the dual citizenship of anybody who gets involved with these radical groups. I honestly don’t know what can be done at this point, legally speaking, with the guys who hold European citizenship only, the second-generation unassimilated crazies.

      • taw46 says:

        Make some new laws and enforce them. They made all the laws that allow this to happen.

      • gram krakka says:

        My daughter says that in Europe, much more so than in America, refugees and immigrants are “ghettoized”. They don’t assimilate as quickly as in America because they live together in large enclaves of similar people, are given welfare benefits that are a disincentive to working and they sit around watching satellite tv from the Middle East that stokes their feelings of victimization and encourages radicalization.

        My impression is that employment and education opportunities for immigrants are much better in the US than in Europe. Starting your own business, buying property and being able to freely move about are greater here. Frankly speaking we are less class conscious than Europe. Part of American exceptionalizion is that we truly are the land of opportunity for those who work hard to better themselves. Our democractic republic has freed us from the tyranny of kings and dictators. Refugees aren’t fleeing to Russia or China.

        • Jadzia says:

          Just from my own experience, I think that the educational opportunities for immigrants are actually better here than in the US, primarily because we don’t have the student loan. But the employment situation for immigrants is very bleak. Not only is there the issue that you point out of cultural isolation that is at least partially self-imposed, but there is also a great deal of blatant discrimination in employment. You have to put your picture on your resume! There have been lots of studies of the consequences of that system, and they are pretty much what you would expect.

          Starting a business does seem to be easier in the US. Property purchases, as far as I can tell, are pretty much the same level of bureaucracy (but get back to me in a few months on that, because I am at the beginning of that process).

          Class consciousness is interesting. There is certainly a yawning gap between the tippy-top of the elites and the other 98% of the population. On the other hand, one thing that really struck me after moving here (and as a white Western immigrant, my experience is obviously not the same as that of somebody coming from other parts of the world) is how much less segregated neighborhoods are (at least once you get out of Paris) in terms of social class. Our neighborhood, for example, runs the gamut from upper middle class to something close to working poor. Towns and cities are more compact, so everybody is kind of on top of each other in that sense. We have some neighborhoods that are more desirable than others, but I can’t think of a neighborhood in this (nice) city that I would think of as a “rich” neighborhood.

  23. taw46 says:

    As usual, father says his son is innocent. And as in too many of these cases, the family has a questionable background. Maybe the “radicalization” is occurring at home.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3640723/manchester-bomber-salman-abedis-dad-claims-son-did-not-carry-out-ariana-grande-concert-attack-because-we-dont-believe-in-killing-innocents/

    • Constance says:

      The terrorist father is probably in shock. When your child does something that challenges who you thought they were and every dream you had for them, you can see the child as two separate people. The young child you thought you knew and the adult, who rationally you know is your child, but emotionally you can’t accept it. I agree the terrorist learned to hate and kill in his community and home but his father probably can’t integrate the child and adult son yet and he prefers the child he loved. It will take a long time if he ever can work it through in this life.

      • Jadzia says:

        That makes me think of the parents of the boys who committed the Columbine massacre. (A great book about the tragedy is simply titled “Columbine.”) One family seemed slightly dysfunctional, although nothing that would really throw up any huge red flags. The other family appeared to be close-knit, faithful, kind people who probably will never recover from the shame and the guilt and the notoriety–and the fact that they lost a son who, unbeknownst to them, had become a violent stranger.

        • taw46 says:

          From the article:

          “But a former Libyan security official has claimed the elder Abedi was himself once a member of an armed group later revealed to have links to al-Qaeda.”

          “Haroun said the father belongs to an extreme sect of Salafist Islam, from which al-Qaida and the ISIS hail.”

      • taw46 says:

        Father supposedly has been arrested.

  24. helenk3 says:

    I am reading a book Tomorrow is Forever by Gwen Briscow. It is not a new book, and I have read it before.
    the part I am reading now is about an American family’s first real understanding of what the nazi’s and their killing of jews was doing to the world. A little 8 year old jewish girl who escaped from Germany was explaining how the nazis killed her parents who were doctors. The man who helped her escaped brought up something that few people ever think of. The little girl was the offspring of two very smart people. who knows what she will accomplish when she grows up. They were killing the future.
    This hit home with me today after the killings in Manchester and all the other killings of children by islamic terrorists. The perversion of the minds of children by islamic terrorists.
    they are not only a threat to the world now, but also a threat to the future of the world

  25. DeniseVB says:

    A hit piece on Milo cannot be ignored. Mostly taken out of context, couldn’t help myself to hit them back in the Talcum X belt.

  26. taw46 says:

  27. Dora says:

    • kanaughty says:

      if terrorism has no religion, then how come it has been muslims 90% of the time doing the terrorist killings in the last couple of decades. their religion says to kill all who don’t believe the same way as them. it is part of their religion. this is such bs, this islam apologist attitude.

  28. taw46 says:

    • taw46 says:

      “This happens every time. Somehow, before the bodies have even cooled, the media turns Muslims everywhere into the real victims of an Islamic terrorist attack. I’ll never understand the impulse to turn away from a pile of broken and bleeding corpses to assign victimhood to people who get dirty looks on the train.”

  29. Dora says:

  30. votermom says:

    Ate lunch : bacon, 2 eggs, leftover roast pork loin heated up in bacon pan.
    All is good in my world after that lunch.

  31. helenk3 says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/10/12/gov-jerry-brown-signs-bill-allowing-illegal-aliens-vote/

    WTH???????
    guess votes from California will not count in future elections unless they are state elections

  32. Where is Dandy Tiger???

    http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/05/24/black-farmer-in-va-calls-out-white-female-progressives-not-richard-spencer/

    … But folks, here’s something else: Charlottesville is by far the most aggressively segregated place I’ve ever lived in or visited. And that seems a strange thing to have to say about a town that hosts a public university.

    I say “aggressively” for two reasons. One, because of how assertive police (and the citizens who summon them) are here with racial profiling. It got so bad in 2014 – 2015 that I stopped renting farmland on estates where I could be easily seen from the road, and I stopped making food deliveries into wealthier neighborhoods because of how often police would “happen by” and sometimes even question me five or ten minutes after I got a strange look from a passerby (usually someone jogging, but occasionally someone in a car). I’m not a paranoid kinda guy, but this happened way too often to be a coincidence.

    It isn’t Richard Spencer calling the cops on me for farming while Black. It’s nervous White women in yoga pants with “I’m with Her” and “Coexist” stickers on their German SUVs.

    Second is the sheer degree of cultural appropriation going on with businesses in the city proper. It’s little things – e.g. shops and other businesses incorporating wide swaths of hiphop culture into their branding while having not a single Black owner, partner, employee, or vendor. And those businesses are KILLING IT here. This is a town where Blackness advances White-owned brands and subjects Black-owned businesses to inspection by law enforcement.

    Do you really think that problem comes from people like Richard Spencer?

    Check out C’Ville Weekly’s Instagram feed when you get a moment, and try not to notice that the few depictions of Black people are limited to sports, singing, criminal justice, or single parenthood. White people, meanwhile, are represented as political activists, chefs, cogs in the gig economy, musicians, dancers, people who get married, visual artists, songwriters, architects, landscapers, thespians, artistic directors, wedge-heel-wearing rugby players, dog lovers, farmers, firefighters, and people who play with their kids in cul de sacs.

    Richard Spencer is not the editor of C’Ville Weekly.

    Truth is, as a Black dude, I’m far less bothered by the flag wavers in this picture than this town’s progressives assuming its race problem has nothing to do with them. The former is a visual inconvenience. The latter could leave my daughters without a father.

    So please, put down the candles and instead ask yourself: why is my city like this? Why is life like this for Black people in my wonderful city? The answer is a lot closer to home than Richard Spencer or Lee Park.

  33. lyn says:

    Look at that smile!

  34. Dora says:

    So now De Blasio is worried about children? Oh please. Tell me a different joke. That one’s not funny.

    ==

    NYC’s De Blasio: ‘Children Will Die’ Because of Trump’s Budget
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/23/bill-de-blasio-donald-trump-budget-children-will-die

  35. DeniseVB says:

    Mark Dice. Speaking of drama queens, Late Night tv is just becoming unwatchable. I’m preparing myself never to be entertained again 😛

  36. taw46 says:

    U.S. Intelligence Officials leaked this. What the hell is wrong with them?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4538814/Remnants-backpack-bomb-killed-22.html

  37. Dora says:

    Not as extravagant as the Saudis, or as large as the Israelis, but a nice welcome.

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