I Blame The Voters


The news today is that Obamacare repeal has gone down in flames. I blame the voters.

Here are a few incontrovertible facts:

1. Our healthcare system is FUBAR.
2. Obamacare made a bad situation worse.
3. Voters still want what Obama promised but didn’t deliver.
4. Voters want a healthcare system that is universal, high quality, efficient, as well as cheap or free.
5. Millions of people who voted for Obama already had healthcare insurance, they just thought it was too damn expensive. They thought Obamacare would lower their premiums.
6. The Left has already won the ideological battle because the voters have reached a consensus that the federal government should be in charge of healthcare. All that is left to argue is the best way for the government to provide quality healthcare.
7. Obamacare is here to stay.

Trump has very smartly distanced himself from the alleged reform effort. It’s not his plan and he hasn’t put forth much effort to pass it. The GOP Congress is calculating that they will pay a higher price for repealing Obamacare than if they do nothing. This has all been a big Kabuki circle-jerk.


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99 Responses to I Blame The Voters

  1. 49erDweet says:

    So Delta Airlines has committed commercial Hari Kiri by siding with the dimwits against conservatives alá Ann Coulter! Must be fun to be “smart” but fail so much.

    • DeniseVB says:

      You never want to get on Ann’s bad side. Still don’t know why they just didn’t put the girl in the seat they moved Ann too? It wasn’t a special needs reason. (Her twitter timeline is a hoot, if she can prove they were just messing with her, she may end up owning the airline 😀 )

  2. lyn says:

    What a waste of time. Once Uncle Sugar pays for something, you never can take it way from the freeloaders.

  3. NBD says:

    I’m really pissed about this one. With control of both houses of Congress and the White House, getting rid of Obamacare should have been a no-brainer. Trump fucked up when he promised to replace it with something that was a “YUUUGE improvement” and would cover everybody while costing less. That meant that simple repeal wasn’t viable, and Congress spent months screwing around trying to find a way to avoid throwing people off insurance rolls. Repeal without replacement could easily have made it through both houses, and we’d be done with the mess that is Obamacare. Sure, there’d have been some whiners who would protest the loss of insurance, but they’re not likely to vote Republican, so Trump and the Congressional Republicans owe them exactly nothing. Now we’re stuck with Obamacare and there’s about zero chance that anything meaningful will be done on taxes. Trump’s not playing 11-dimensional chess here, he’s just in over his head.

    • lyn says:

      The corrupt D.C. swamp is too big to fail.

    • dm says:

      I don’t believe the Republicans – the majority – ever really intended to repeal and I also don’t believe if that option had been presented first it would have passed. Obama succeeded as the majority of voters – and thus the majority of Congress – believe there should be something in place via the government other than what existed prior to take care of our “insurance” needs. The problem is, the people in this country don’t want to pay for it. If we want a European style government, we have to pay those kinds of taxes. In essence, it is the voters fault…just my abbreviated thoughts.

    • Constance says:

      I haven’t lost hope. This McCain thing is a big excuse to end the crap bills they had. But I do believe McCain is wiped out sick. So why don’t they repeal with a one page bill that mandates some form of coverage for pre existing conditions and coverage for kids up to age 26. Then say they are working on the big Utopian health care bill. It’s not The People who can’t be weaned off the Obama care money, it’s the insurance companies. Congress cares what the Insurance companies want, they don’t give a flying f$$k what The People want or need.

      • blowme0bama says:

        If you mandate coverage for pre-existing conditions, then everyone’s insurance is going to be sky high. There may be some way to provide healthcare for non-insured with pre-existing conditions, but it isn’t insurance.

        • Constance says:

          Congress needs to stop running around like a bunch of corrupt chickens with their heads cut off. There are ways to make things happen. One way is for some Democrat rich dudes like Bill Gates Facebook dude to start a non profit health provider that disrupts the market by providing prices for each procedure. Or give people portable points for each year they participate in a health insurance group so they can change companies with out being considered pre existing.

      • AFVet says:

        “it’s the insurance companies”.
        You’re exactly right.
        That’s the reason we don’t have insurance across state lines, as that would increase competition and lower the price.
        The insurance lobby doesn’t want that. They want to control the price structure by dictating how many companies are able to operate in each state.

        That would also have an effect on hospital rates.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Trump’s Swamp Draining Agenda did include Republicans, specifically the GOPe Never Trumpers. Let’s see how this plays out. Right now, the twits and FB are on fire, the incumbents are sweating 2018 re-election in both parties.

      • AFVet says:

        Trump tried to work with them. Now the mess is back in their lap, right where it belongs.
        The dims immediately came out and blamed Trump for not fixing their abortion.

        Trump was smart to wash his hands of it.

    • jenlyn says:

      I agree I think Trump is a genius and a very brave man but he is really missed the boat on this one and we need to recover quickly. I hope he holds a press conference reevaluate comes up with a new plan and gets it done it needs to be repealed. Whatever comes next will be an improvement leave it at that move on to other issues I just hate to see them use this mistake to keep harping on for the next couple of years

  4. Ann says:

    Well, if the voters get their shit together and inundate their Senator’s offices, as well as the RNC with “requests” to repeal (and promise to withhold $$ from both) there could be a “sudden change of heart”. Especially the do-nothings that voted for repeal in the past when it was symbolic (ie had no chance of being signed by Obama).

    At this point, Obamacare is in a death spiral. Congress kicks the can as much as possible to not take the blame for clusterfucks (and Obamacare is one of epic proportions). This isn’t shocking.

    People have to support non-swamp critters in states where it is still possible to throw the bums out. GThen we can praise the voters instead of blaming them.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I think what “voters” are figuring out now is how deep the swamp is. Demanding Congress not be exempted from Obamacare would be a good start 😉

      • AFVet says:

        A lady called Rush today and said that very thing, that they should have the same coverage.
        Rush told her that they had already exempted themselves from this one.

        Also, another lady called him from Ohio and said that she tried to call Rob Portman and his answering machine said that it wasn’t taking anymore calls.

  5. lyn says:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/07/maryam-mirzakhani-hijab-iran/533916/

    “Maryam Mirzakhani will be remembered as a woman who broke glass ceilings in life and in death. In 2014, the Iranian mathematician became the first and only woman ever to win the Fields Medal, popularly known as the Nobel Prize of the math world. And when she died last Friday at age 40, some Iranian media outlets, as well as President Rouhani himself, broke a national taboo by publishing photos in which she appeared with her hair uncovered.”

    • Jadzia says:

      I hope she is not forgotten. She should be an inspiration to girls everywhere, especially in the Muslim world.

  6. foxyladi14 says:

    They Never intended to repeal it.
    They thought Hill would win, And they could keep using that to get reelected. 😡

  7. lyn says:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/163138976726/i-tell-you-how-citizens-can-fix-health-care-now

    Congress just proved something that we all suspected: They are the wrong tool for fixing health care. The topic is too complicated, the politics are too corrosive, and the money interests are too strong. That’s why citizens will step in and fill the gap with their own proposals. I expect to see a number of citizen-created health care proposals emerge soon.

    • Constance says:

      Great!

    • DeniseVB says:

      Yes ! Working in a veterinary hospital, I learned paying for routine and preventative care is not expensive. Pet owners did take out “catastrophic” insurance for emergencies which was the money maker for pet insurance companies, rarely does a pet need such coverage. Small print may have even clarified, if your dog’s not on heartworm prevention, we won’t cover the treatment. Just common sense.

      I used to bring this up in casual discussions on human health insurance, and always got HOW DARE YOU COMPARE HUMANS TO ANIMALS. Then car insurance didn’t go over well either. Like, if I didn’t change the oil in my car for 15 years and the engine blows up, I know my car insurance won’t pay for it. D’oh.

  8. SHV says:

    ” Voters want a healthcare system that is universal, high quality, efficient, as well as cheap or free.”
    *****
    2016-2018 there was an “opening” to begin a discussion with voters about options for realistic heath care delivery. That was a major threat for everyone except for middle class tax payers. The legislation that ended up as the AHCA was in the “works for years before being passed by the Uni-Party. The legislative process was another street theater production of the “Perils of Pauline” with a few Uni-Party Repubs like Snowe and Collins voting for key procedural motions and then seeking cover with “No” on the final majority vote.

    Every “reasonable” analysis that I read during that time said that AHCA, even with perfect implementation, would implode by 2020. The miscalculation that is causing an earlier failure is that the penalties weren’t sever enough to force compliance by the “health young”. Best that I can figure is that AHCA, “doomed to failure” was a game of chicken between “socialized medicine” and Health Insurance Industry. The former assumed that the disaster would make Gov’t Run Health a certainty and the Industry betting that AHCA would further discredit the Fed Gov’t so that single payer would be impossible. What I could never figure out 10 years ago or now, was/is the path for either side after the massive failure of AHCA.

    • lateblum says:

      SHV ~ ^This^ is the best analysis of the AHCA/ACA/Obamacare mess I have read. And I agree that everything I read also pointed to an implosion by 2020. In fact, one of the discussions I read said a huge problem would arise in 2016 during the final year of bronco’s last term.
      I am not nearly smart enough to even make suggtions for a solution. I wish I were.

  9. SHV says:

    2016-2018=2006-2008

  10. Venus says:

    I don’t want the federal government at all in healthcare — and I don’t believe the majority of voters do either. Everything the feds get a hold of they ruin — education is best example. If you think people want a national VA system or to go to court to beg for permission to get their baby treatment like little Charlie Gard you are out of your gourd or you’ve live in CA too long.
    We want the people who really need it (poor, elderly) to get treatment cheap/free and the government to leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

    • Venus says:

      And Trump’s not done yet. I remember a lot of joyous members of MSM & NeverTrump declaring Obamacare repeal would never get through house after 1st bill was pulled.

    • SHV says:

      “We want the people who really need it (poor, elderly) to get treatment cheap/free and the government to leave the rest of us the fuck alone.”
      ****
      That was the “danger” that need to be killed forever by AHCA. If “healthcare reform” had resulted in such things as lowering the buy-in age for Medicare, modest expansion of Medicaid, limited high risk insurance pools, etc., it might have worked and been a huge threat.

      • lateblum says:

        Do you really think the politicians want to threaten the insurance industry? I do not. That lobby is powerful. Has tons of money and can back whomever they want. The fearful are those in Congress, not those in the insurance mob.

      • Somebody says:

        I think those options would have been far better than what we ended up with SHV. Those options would provide insurance coverage, but still wouldn’t help with actual health care costs continuing to climb. Insurance premiums will continue to climb as long as the cost of health care services continue to climb.

        We need to crack that nut. POTUS wants to negotiate for prescription drugs, that’s a good start. We here in the US pay 2 to 10 times for the same drugs as compared to other industrialized nations…….from the same companies, we’re being ripped off. Technically we’re subsidizing a lot of other countries because if we pay less they will end up paying more. I’m cool with our current POTUS negotiating, but I’d also like to see a regulation that says a drug can’t sell for more than X percentage of the average cost in say 10 countries or 20, something like that. Once our current POTUS is gone we’ll have the same people that negotiate for $700 toilet seats negotiating, if all we do is allow negotiation.

        A lot of people insist tort reform will lower costs. I haven’t seen that play out in states where they have passed tort reform, but I’m not opposed to reasonable tort reform either.

        I keep thinking back to the days when we had indemnity plans, you know like 80-20 plans. We had lists of customary and reasonable prices for your area for services, do those even exist any more?? In the 90’s Congress’s first bite at the health care apple was to insist our policies paid for things they’d never paid for before. I think it was around that same time that a lot of insurance companies that had previously been not for profit became for profit and went on the stock exchange.

        Sooooo maybe we need some not for profit health insurance companies??? Maybe?? Definitely reforming HSA’s, maybe straight up allowing the cost or part of the cost of health insurance to be tax deductible?? Allow indemnity plans to return or maybe just catastrophic policies. My thinking with either of those is that it would take the insurance companies out of some of health care and infuse the free market because at least some consumers would be paying out of pocket. What concerns me about that is, have costs gotten sooooo high that there is no bending the curve downward market principles or not.

        • lateblum says:

          There may have been not-for-profit insurance companies in the past. I don’t know. What I do know is that companies including, but not limited to Blue Cross/Blue Shield identified as nonprofit. But after they met their state mandated reserve, they used the rest of their (non)profits to build several different posh office buildings, and paid their executives 6-figure salaries, with nearly 6-figure holiday/year end bonuses. Cars, travel, extravagant seminars, dinners and trips for execs and spouses were also rampant. Because heaven forfend they should actually be able to cover claims for treatments that were needed by “subscribers” or “members” who had actually paid for health care coverage.
          The reason companies became “public” was that the information of their huge reserves began leaking out, and policy makers, loathe to be known as participating in the insurance scams, forced the companies to go public.

  11. Constance says:

    Was Megan McCain on Fox News today? What do you all think is really going on with John McCain? Is his career in the Senate over? Will they appoint a Republican replacement and when do you think that will happen?

  12. 49erDweet says:

    There’s a pretty healthy wildfire going on the past day (+) located just east of Klown a little ways on the lower Sierra foothills. Has recently closed the main Yosemite entrance highway – lower down – and some surrounding roads. Now they’re evacuating the county seat, Mariposa. Google the Detwiler Fire if you’re interested. Have friends and fam living near there so’ve been watching it pretty closely on the interweebly. Got some great fire watching sites up these days. Slick!!!!!

    • helenk3 says:

      prayers for their safety going out

    • DeniseVB says:

      Been paying attention to the Colorado fires too. Son has a condo at Winter Park, and I perked up when they were evacuating (nearby) Breckinridge. His main home is in Aurora on the front range, so they’re pretty safe.

      With hopes myiq’s in a safe zone.

  13. DeniseVB says:

    😀

  14. helenk3 says:

    off topic
    weird and random thought

    they were talking on tv about how the number of illegals crossing the southern border has gone down. But still have visa holders overstaying their time. Well they talk about putting chips in your kids to keep track of them, some one even had an article about chips in passengers riding local transit. Why not put a chip in when you get your visa? Cheaper and more effective way to keep track of visa holders

    • lyn says:

      It works for dogs and cats.

    • lateblum says:

      I thought they were going to put chips in passports. I know they had planned to put them in/on driver’s licenses in Illinois. I don’t know if they ever did. Illinois can’t cover toilet paper costs or lottery payouts.

      • California is gonna drop algebra for non-STEM majors.

      • Mt.Laurel says:

        The joke at the MVA (including the staff) when I renewed in June was that the new license had all the security they could cram into that small card. So secure it is printed up remotely and you simply get a receipt and your card is sent to you within 7-10 days. Then the MVA turns around and entrusts the delivery of this extra special secure card to the post office. To be left in your mail box in a clearly marked envelope.

        The odd part is the photos are now gray scale – so it looks rather retro.

  15. DeniseVB says:

    • helenk3 says:

      why is that not a surprise?

    • Mt.Laurel says:

      Well the Post went silent on the young Muslim girl that was murdered after they found out the murderer was an illegal Ecuadorian immigrant. Priorities. His special status trumped hers- silence in the swamp.

  16. helenk3 says:

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-still-unable-to-evacuate-overseas-embassies-in-case-of-emergency/

    sometimes I wonder if you have to be braindead to get a job at the state dept

  17. helenk3 says:

    what would happen if we abolished congress and had 1 representative from each state, no party, read bills chosen by the people?. Have a once a month popular vote on each bill. Things would get done a lot quicker and cheaper. No lobbyists, no pay for play and maybe just maybe the people would get what THEY want.

    just a thought

    • 1539days says:

      For that matter, we could bring back Senators appointed by state legislatures and giving the vote only to people who own property. It would be the ultimate skin in the game.

      • 49erDweet says:

        The property owning requirement might be OK, but even better yet is that they have to prove they’re interweebly literate or else they can’t vote. That right there would be a superb filter.

  18. Dora says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      He’s going to be in Norfolk this weekend ! Something to do with the new carrier Gerald Ford. Have not heard a thing about this in the local news. Hope RSBN-TV will be there too!

  19. 1539days says:

    None of this is about Obamacare. Obamacare is a flop. Exchanges were created for people who couldn’t get health insurance at their job and could still somehow afford $7,000 a year in premiums, which is nobody.

    This is all about “Medicaid expansion.” GOP governors took federal money to put more people with no money on Medicaid and now they can’t cure their addition to Washington money. The “marketplace” is actually correcting itself with higher insurance rates, but every so-called solution by Dems is more money and everyone on Medicaid.

    Trump is right. Take away the subsidies and Medicaid expansion and all you have left are a bunch of unaffordable Obamacare Blue Cross plans and some insurance rules the insurers will lobby against once they stop making money off them.

    • Somebody says:

      While what you say is true, it is also true that there are and were people on the bubble who truly can’t afford health insurance for their family. Working people, not bums on the dole, the bums on the dole are already on Medicaid.

      Wages have been stagnant for decades while prices have sky rocketed……I know, I know we’ve barely had any inflation, but it’s what they don’t count in those inflation numbers that has had a significant impact on a lot of Americans. Things you need like food, medicine, health care, those are not included.

      Point being you have a couple of ways to go, expand Medicaid or encourage rising wages. Either one has pros and cons.

      • 1539days says:

        Right now, all the trillions the Democrats want to take in taxes are for Medicaid. If they got their way, the income limits would be raised until the middle class could go on Medicaid. Then we have socialized medicine.

        The fact is that it costs an average of $7,000 per man, woman and child for the medical field. Either someone has to pay it or we have to get the cost of medicine down.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Kellyanne is right. DD quit college after two years on a business track to become a certified bicycle mechanic. A venture capitalist thought she was cute and gave her 35k to open her own shop which she paid back in 3 years and ran for another 5.

    • Constance says:

      True, some people are too smart and difficult to indoctrinate for college.

  20. DeniseVB says:

    Vote !

  21. Dead on, klown. They will never give up the new power the mandate gave them. This country got flushed down the toilet of historical might when it made us all financially liable for the purchase of a bad product from a devious industry. I can only hope fiscal tests and forced abortions for poor women are next.

  22. Constance says:

    I recorded Fox’s “Outnumbered” and Megan McCain is a regular on that show. She wasn’t on today so the McCain family is probably gathering. I also think it is weird that it was said more will be known when McCain’s histology report is back, since they called the thing they removed from McCain’s brain a blood clot. So I’m guessing what they took out was dark and was likely cancer. It was so sudden there had to be symptoms. If it was expected then why bother to shorten the Senate recess knowing McCain would not be available. I don’t think the official explanation fits the behavior.

  23. Dora says:

    I don’t even know who this guy is, but I know he is a coward.

  24. taw46 says:

    Tonight twitter and MSNBC running around screaming Trump had a second, undisclosed, hour long meeting with Putin. Only Putin’s translator present, no American there with Trump. Treason, treason, treason!!! And what does it turn out to be? Apparently at the G20 dinner, you know the one where Melania was next to Putin, Trump took a seat in an empty chair next to Putin for about an hour. Talked. In front of probably at least 100 people. Talked to a world leader like every other world leader was doing. Scandalous!

  25. mothy67 says:

    My dad is home.
    He is laughing and has already called me an asshole twice.
    They wanted to end him. His time at rehab he watched Shameless. He said I am all the major characters wrapped in one.
    How rude.
    Sadly I cannot argue I am Frank, Fiona , and Lip. So not Ian or Debbie.

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