Idiocy on Many Sides

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I almost ignored the noise surrounding the events in Virginia yesterday. Almost. Then my mom and husband woke up from their respective naps and wanted to watch the riot porn in CNN and FOX. Switching back and forth between the channels, I got sucked into the drama. You had to switch because the points of view were so different, all the way down to the number of deaths. CNN reported 1; FOX reported 3. I allowed myself a cursory examination, because, quite frankly, I’m tired of the sky falling all the damn time. 

Here’s what I found out: The original rally was really organized by various people interested in “preserving white heritage.” There were about 200 hundred of them, which constituted the “largest gathering of white nationalist” in decades. They were wielding tiki torches and generally acting like entitled assholes. Some Redditors showed up because they had wooden shields, sticks, and memes to live by and so why not?  Antifa showed up with helmets, baseball bats, various other weapons, and armor. They unified with a group of students from the university, who joined in the melee a counter protest. These folks got very violent and vastly outnumbered the original protesters. The police were allowing all these assholes to bash each other for a while. One of them, a guy from Ohio named James Fields, drove his Dodge Charger through a group of counter protesters, killing one and injuring another 20 or so. Two police officers died in a related helicopter accident while policing the event. Trump made some comments and the media judged them insufficient because he talked about violence on many sides. 

Here we go again. And by again I distinctly mean another media circus. And another opportunity for people on the left who were untouched by the violence yesterday to metaphorically beat their friends, family, and the vast right-wing conspiracy over the head, and feel falsely victimized. And another opportunity for white heritage folks to make asses of themselves and feel falsely victimized by the culture of the United States. Notice a trend here?

Here’s my response: Fuck ‘em all. Except for the dead and injured. For them: I’m sorry that happened to you and your families.

There are assholes on the left and right. The ones on the left are louder and more accommodated by the larger society than the ones on the right, but the right has its own fair share. Folks on both sides have been driven to violence by the rhetoric of the two parties and their followers. It sucks that people get caught in the crosshairs, like this poor woman last night, or like Senator Steve Scalise, but it happens and it’s going to keep happening as long as we allow ourselves to keep janking up the rhetoric. You (universal) can blame the other side all you want, but both sides do it, left and right. No amount of fighting about it on social media is going to solve the problem.

Me personally? I can’t get behind anybody seeking to preserve their heritage, no matter the race or culture. Honor it all you want. Incorporate parts of it into your personal life all you want, but go ahead and live your modern fucking life while doing it. Part of of living in a modern, free society is that people get to believe whatever they want, but you don’t have to support it, and you don’t have to stay silent about it. But know that if you organize for your culturally offensive point of view in the middle of August, staging what looks like a modern day KKK rally, bad shit might happen because free will.

Likewise, I can’t get behind anybody bringing weapons and armor to a protest. Part of living under the United States Constitution is that people get to gather and protest whatever they want. We have free speech rights. And we get a certain amount of reasonable protection from police officers. But you do not get absolute protection from harm, and if you’re going to hang out with thugs in armor with weapons intent on beating someone with a counter point of view, you might get hurt in the process. You might even get killt (Tim Kaine quoting Faulkner). That’s the risk you take.

So I’m not getting swept up in this thing. You (personal) gotta do what you gotta do. I have no dog in this fight because of my revulsion for both sides. And the rhetorical fallout from both sides is pretty much abhorrent as well. I’m tired of every single incident being cause for the left to jump to conclusions and exploit events to assert their fantasy that they still live in 1950s America. And I’m tired of stupid conservatives expressing the fact that they feel beat up by cultural bashing of whites by retreating to scenarios that give credence to the left’s 1950s arguments. Stop feeding that fucking flame, doofuses. We live in America 2017 and our country has been through A LOT to get to where we are, where the poorest among us–regardless of race, gender, culture, etc,–generally lives better than the middle class in some third world countries. We ought to fucking act like it. 

It’s just all so exhausting and empty, living in this vacuous political climate. How are you feeling about it? This is an open thread.

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144 Responses to Idiocy on Many Sides

    • swanspirit says:

      THAT is a Presudential response! Not this. “Police acted stupidly” or “Travon could have been my son” garbage. And yes, if anyone is asking, I damn well do blame Obama., for a great part of the division in this country.

      • gram krakka says:

        That is Obummers real lasting legacy. It will take decades to undo the damage he unleashed and fires he stoked with his devisive identity rhetoric.

  1. votermom says:

    I’m with you, Lola, don’t really care about it. But I care abiut First Amendment rights – if that was violated there should be charges.

  2. Constance says:

    ANTIFA needs to be taken down. Police and other authorities should never be given the order to stand down and if they are the person who gave that order is responsible for the violence. Permits to rally should only be given when the weather is over 90 degrees or under 45 degrees which would naturally limit the duration of the “free speech”.

  3. Constance says:

    By the way the virtue signalling and speechifying is strong with Washington Governor Jay Inslee so he is another Democrat who sees a Presidential campaign launch pad from this manufactured street drama.

  4. DandyTIger says:

    This is our new national entertainment. It’s hate sport. Televised with the police there as referees, not to stop it or separate, but to keep it going. Until the clock runs out that is. Killing and maiming is extra bonus entertainment.

  5. helenk3 says:

    a house divided can not stand. give them bread and circuses. Who benefits Think about these three statements and what is going on in American right now. What conclusion do you come to?

  6. helenk3 says:

    http://nypost.com/2017/08/13/hundreds-protest-in-oakland-over-deadly-virginia-white-power-rally/

    it a long hot summer, and going to be a really long fall season. Can’t wait for winter

  7. DeniseVB says:

    Fringe right groups sure get more of a beating in the media than the fringey lefties. Both sides seem to be the spawn of Democrats.

    • lyn says:

      I wrote this before seeing that: Democrat municipalities are removing their Confederate statues, but Trump gets blamed for the protests and violence. #WhitePrivilege

      • Somebody says:

        I find the removal of statues to be reminiscent of the Taliban. I don’t identify a Robert E. Lee statue as part of white culture, if anything I’d say southern culture, but honestly I just think it is a part of our nation’s history.

        Removing statues doesn’t change history. The whole thing just seems stupid to me. Same goes for taking names off buildings like the purge of Woodrow Wilson. He was POTUS for goodness sakes. He wasn’t my cup of tea, but that is beside the point.

        • lyn says:

          Exactly.

        • Miranda says:

          It’s a showy feel-good act that doesn’t require any work. It fixes absolutely nothing, but people can pat themselves on the back about how ‘woke’ they are.

          And I love Lola’s point about keeping your ‘heritage’ as a part of your personal life. I don’t give a crap about any statues.

          • elliesmom says:

            My only disagreement with what Lola wrote is her dismissal of our collective heritage. For us it’s called “Western Civilization”, and it needs to be protected. It doesn’t mean we don’t honor and respect contributions from others, but most of our “modern life” is built on ideas and inventions from the western world. I don’t care about statues, per se, but I do care about re-writing history unless it’s to correct real misconceptions that need to be corrected.The success of the Europeans and their ability to spread their ideas is an important part of history. Did they do it in ways that were always what would be considered “honorable” today? Maybe not. But no one has succeeded the way they did w/o adopting their ideas.

          • FTR, I’ve got no bones about discussions around Western Civ. It is important, and it’s coming up square against the three other worldviews in a struggle for world dominance. In that, I hope we win.

            As for heritage in terms in race, fuck that noise. I can’t support those who seek to preserve their white, black, hispanic, Irish, Norwegian, or Nigerian heritage IF it means trying to beat down other heritages. I love our melting pot, and I like our cultural traditions. But too many people are backed into their corners and hating on others based on stuff that can’t be controlled, like where you come from. That’s what I was referring to.

          • Somebody says:

            What is “white culture”? I’m serious. I get American culture, I get southern culture, but white culture?

            I don’t think I’ve ever attributed anything to my white culture. I attribute my penchant for certain foods to my southern culture. I attribute lots of things to my American culture, but I can’t think of anything I’ve ever attributed to my white culture. ****To be fair, I’ve never used that term before today, LOL

          • mothy67 says:

            I hear ya. There are somethings about being Irish Catholic that I consider part of my history. It’s not white culture. I enjoy my heritage very much.
            My favorite thing is when “white” hollywood thinks they are being profound when they make socially progressive films. Because you know fag bashers lined up to see Milk and racists couldn’t wait to see 12 Years a Slave. I mean really who would pay money to see Al Snore’s latest. Only people that want to judge others.

          • Allegra says:

            Amen to elliesmom post.

          • 49erDweet says:

            Tagging onto to Lola’s rant, we were a united country coming out of WWII and going thru the Korean and Viet Nam wars, as I recall. It was after that many people suddenly rejoined “tribes”. Except for the Okies, of course. /wink/

  8. gram krakka says:

    I’m mostly where you are on this. To quote HelenK, my give a damn busted a long time ago. Great thoughtful post, Lola, by the way. I think the professional agitators on both sides freely choose to be driven to respond with violence to the rhetoric coming from the political parties.

    Those on the far left may be making a fatal mistake if they think the response from the far right in fly-over country will be like the rather tepid responses they have enjoyed in the coastal higher education enclaves. I feel empathy for the well meaning kids who want to peacefully protest for either side but get manipulated and misused by the antifa and KKK type thugs. Hope they learn the right lesson.

  9. swanspirit says:

    It is horrible,and unacceptable, that anyone should lose their life over a demonstration, or protest of any kind. I have absolutely no sympathy for white nationalists, but even less for BLM and the antifa terrorists. How many LEOS are dead, because of BLM? Individuals from police organizations all over the country are at increased risk, and many dead, because of the violence from the left, that has been ongoing for over a year now.
    How many people are victims of horrific crimes from illegals? Outrage from the left? Pah. You can barely get a reaction from the left after a terrorist commits mass murder in a gay club in Florida. What do we get from the left? Sympathy for the devil’s family.
    But now we have outrage, from the left? Cry me a river.

  10. elliesmom says:

    Regardless of rhetoric or ideology, I come down on the side of the folks who protest without bringing weapons. Wear what you want, make whatever posters you want, and chant to your heart’s content. I may disagree with you, but I’ll defend your right to have your say. When you show up with props intended to cause physical harm, it’s not exercising 1st Amendment rights. It’s premeditated assault. When you don a mask, it’s a tell you’re planning to do things you don’t want to be held accountable for.

    Elliesdad worked in Skokie a half block from the march of the Nazis. It is possible to diminish people’s ugly messages by walking away. Had the media not pumped up that story ahead of time, only those of us in close proximity would even know it happened because nothing happened that was newsworthy. Yesterday’s mayhem was manufactured by the media. They didn’t make the story up. They made it happen. Two hundred idiots could have marched through Charlottesville voicing their “superiority” and looked small. They had a permit, but not an audience. The media has made them look like they matter. Both sides of the political divide have their crazies, yes, but only one side has the media egging them on. While it’s easy to look for nefarious reasons, the simplest explanation is the mainstream media is trying to justify its existence. With the proliferation of social media and the ubiquitous cell phone camera, there isn’t much “added value” to having professional media on the spot at most events. Without the “Divided America” meme, there’s not a lot of excitement going on. The more the media hypes that up, the more stories they have to report on and the important the talking heads feel. “The stock market is at record highs” isn’t sexy enough to keep people paying attention to them. So they create mayhem.

  11. Somebody says:

    So I’m curious, I’d like to do a poll of people here.

    Do you personally know anyone in the KKK? Has anyone you know ever told you they know someone in the KKK?

    I’m 55 years old. I’m white and have lived in the south my entire life. My parents were both from rural southern Alabama and I still have lots of family there. Yet I’ve never met a soul in the KKK or even anyone who claims to know someone in the KKK. I don’t know anyone who claims to be a white supremacist either, perhaps I’m sheltered? If I am so is my husband as well as my neighbors.

    • foxyladi14 says:

      I was raised in Southern Ill. Never heard of the KKK

    • DandyTIger says:

      Born and raised in Virginia. Living in Charlottesville. I’ve never known anyone in the KKK or any new KKK type groups.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I’ve lived in Virginia most of my life, never known any either, especially in the 50’s when racism was real and scary.

      • DandyTIger says:

        And mixed race marriages in the family are no big deal. There was a bit of wide eyed looking around in the 60s at such things, but no biggy now. And I have to say, back in the 60s there was some colorful language from the one or two older relatives. But everyone looked at them like they were crazy.

        • Somebody says:

          See that is my experience, when I was younger I remember some of the older relatives saying some things. Honestly though it was only a couple not all of them.

          In fact back during segregation my grandmother was a teacher and she was basically run out of town for teaching black kids on her back porch at night and on the weekend. Their school burned down and she couldn’t stand the thought of them missing out on an education so she held evening classes.

          She was transferred up the road a bit to a different school, but a few years later moved back. She always, always told us “All of God’s creations are special”. Also treat others as you would want them to treat you.

        • DeniseVB says:

          The worst I heard from my “racist” relatives, were “the coloreds”. When did African-American become PC? All the black conservatives I know refer to themselves as Black Americans because they weren’t born in Africa 🙂

          • mothy67 says:

            White South Africans who emmigrate are African Americans. Charlize Theron is AA.

          • Somebody says:

            Calling people black, colored or negro is a generational thing it isn’t meant as a slur. AA’s used to use those terms themselves, but at some point AA became the preferred term…..in the 80’s maybe? Ni**er has always been a racial slur, yet now some in the AA community call each other that????

            Tim to your point I remember a white family from South Africa that checked the AA box on their children’s school registration. They were blonde and blue eyed, the school flipped, LOL

    • elliesmom says:

      My mom’s family are “Downeasters” and my dad’s from Virginia and North Carolina. Some of the Virginians became West Virginians, but they didn’t move. A few slipped over to Ohio in the dead of night. 🙂 I’d be lying if I said I never heard a racist remark, but truthfully, it wasn’t more prevalent on one side of the family or the other, and not virulent in either. My grandfather would have been just as upset if my mom had married an Irish Catholic as a black guy. He was a Scottish Presbyterian. All of the bed sheets were on beds or in the linen closet.

    • Miranda says:

      I’m a native North Carolinian with plenty of relatives in rural areas, and a couple in Daughters of the Confederacy. No one that I know of or am related to is in the KKK. The only attitude I’ve ever heard is contempt.

    • gram krakka says:

      Don’t personally know anyone who actively identifies with white supremacist ideology. My dad was from rock poor Clay Co KY. His grandfather fought on the UNION side during the Civil War. How many people now days realize that KY was a Union state? The long tradition of Appalachian Kentuckians voting Republican comes from their forefathers serving in the Union army. Their “white privelege” didn’t generally afford them having negro slaves. Ironically probably many soldiers from that region fought distant Confederate cousins from the Carolinas and Virginia.

    • taw46 says:

      I was born and raised in SC. I never heard anyone in my family or in my small town say anything negative about blacks, nor did I know or hear of anyone who belonged to the KKK. And no, even today, I do not know of anyone in the KKK, no White Supremacists, no neo-Nazis.

    • mothy67 says:

      Were I grew up we did lots of name calling. Everybody got it. We had micks, spics, movie kikes, n words degos, dumb pollacks, honkies. We also played together. Wasn’t hate. Just a tough town. I have lots of black cousins. They wear belts.

    • Grew up in TX and KY. I live in IN now. I’ve lived in VA and have been to every other southern state. I’ve never met any KKK and I’ve never met anyone who professed to be racist or separatist except for my grandmother, who never said a word until my sister had a mixed race baby. She got set right by the family right away, and she never said another word again. I’ve heard a few racist jokes on my life, but other people, including myself, have corrected or at least groaned out loud.

    • helenk3 says:

      born and bred in Philadelphia Pa. No KKK there. separated neighborhoods yes and in the 70s what was called the white flight as many moved to the suburbs as the neighborhoods changed. My husband’s neighborhood was Fairmount in the Art Museum area. it was a working class neighborhood and many different ethnic groups lived there. They got along. I had to laugh when the yuppies started moving in and it became “THE ONLY PLACE TO LIVE IN PHILA”
      my Irish mother in law would send the kids to the store to get a jew pickle and a some dago bread. She had friends of all ethnic backgrounds and they all talked the same way. It was not meant as a put-down it was meant as a description of what she wanted at the store.

      I remember when there were protests about Girard College a fatherless boy’s school that was started by Stephen Girard in the 17 or 18 hundreds. His will read a school for fatherless white boys. The protests broke the will but very few blacks went there because the SS paid to the mothers would now go to Girard College

      I remember the MOVE group. they lived not too far from 30th st station where I worked. Mayor Rizzo kept them contained for months after they killed a cop. Then they moved farther west in Philadephia to Spruce st an caused trouble there. The new mayor a black man had a police helo drop tear gas on the roof of their row home after telling them to come out or at least send their children out. They refused. No one knew that they had spread gasoline on the roofs of the whole block of row homes. The the tear gas was dropped it ignited a fire that killed some people.

      So it was a turbulent time during the 60s in Philadelphia

      It seems like some want those times back. That is not a good thing. Nobody wins in these divided times

      • mothy67 says:

        Wasn’t MOVE in the 80’s?

        • helenk3 says:

          yes I was working in Hoboken and lived in Philly. The day that all happened I was coming home from work driving from 30th st to Cobbs Creek Pkwy. I wondered why there was little or no traffic. I saw the helo in Cobbs Creek Park but still did not know what going on. Went home, went to bed, when I woke up I found out what happened and saw all the smoke on my way back to 30th st to get the train to work.

    • blowme0bama says:

      Same here. Lived in central and, now, coastal Mississippi for 54 years. Never knew anyone who claimed to be in the KKK, heard rumor of anyone being in the KKK, never saw anyone in a KKK get up.

    • I have met a few racists over the years, but nobody who claimed Klan membership. The “SS” and “WP” tattoos I have seen were all prison tats. I have never met anyone who was openly racist who was educated and/or successful.

      The most vitriolic racist statements I have ever heard came out of the mouths of black people.

      The idea of some underground cabal or secret army of violent white supremacists is almost entirely a media invention. There are maybe a few thousand scattered around the country, but they have no political power or financial backing. Most of them can’t even vote because they are convicted felons.

      I served in the army (78-81) with lots of blacks and white southerners. There was some mutual tension but we all managed to live and work together without too much fuss.

      I blame the current racial disharmony on the Democrats’ decision to pursue identity politics based on race.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I blame the current racial disharmony on the Democrats’ decision to pursue identity politics based on race.

        Enter Obama. Right? No wonder The Tea Party was labeled a rayyycist organization. The movement was not only about Obama, it was about the whole DC corruption machine. I never saw “counter protesters” at those rallies. Yes, The Rise of The Donald has deep grassroots 🙂 So now that I support him, I’m STILL a racist-nazi-ahole? Can’t win with the Dems anymore. NONE of them inspire me.

    • swanspirit says:

      Born and raised in Baltimore, never met anyone that could have been KKK, until I moved to the Eastern Shore. Even then, the person who was most outspokenly and brazenly and blatantly racist, was my nurse manager on the pediatric unit where I worked. I kid you not. Out loud on the unit. In the face of black women nursing assistants AND patients.
      I saw some MDs tell her right to her face she should be fired, but no one ever fired her.
      I used to think if anyone was KKK, it was her. It was terrible working with her.
      Eventually, some time after I left, I found out a very sharp black woman was made the head of the entire Maternal Child Health dept, so the nurse manager ended up with a black woman boss.
      I laughed and laughed. Actually, still laughing, every time I think of it. 😂😇

    • Catarina says:

      In the eighties there were KKK members living in Rumney, NH. They were neighbors of relatives of mine and ate at their restaurant sometimes. They talked openly about their views but mostly kept to themselves as they weren’t able to “recruit.” One older guy claimed to be a “Grand Dragon.”
      Huuuge asshole and very creepy dudes, all.

  12. Many thoughtful responses here, unsurprisingly. I can always count on y’all to see through bullshit and cut right to the ❤ of the matter. Thank goodness. TCH is an island in a sea of insanity.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I remember years ago Glenn Beck held up a blank looseleaf paper, ruled with margins highlighted in red vertical lines. His point was to show just how small the “left” and “right” spaces were, those were the fringe wings of the parties. The rest of us were between those lines, the vast majority of our population. I always think of that piece of paper when some looney nutjob goes off the rails.

      Back in the day, anti-war and tea party rallies would attract about 1/2 million people (been to both sides), but peaceful demonstrations were too boring for the media to cover. And those peaceful public rallies and marches changed nothing.

      Enter Obama. Protest rallies became more violent because of his stupid dog whistles against LEO’s and white folk. Well, we all know the history of his horrible 8 years.

      • lateblum says:

        Our historical perspectives of protests, movements, rallies, etc are identical. And I agree that the very character of the rallies went in a very different direction from those earlier. Was it due to the presidency of bronco bama? I think so, but then I must admit to having a strongly negative reaction to him and what he represented. So I may not be objective.

        I think Rich Grenell was right when he said, “the greatest achievement of obama’s presidency was his racial healing”. (or something like that)

        • I don’t know. Peaceful priests in the early 1960s led to the 1968 riots, Kent State, and the Black Panthers. As time marches on, people escalate. That’s why I do think it’s critical to diffuse this now. I’m just not sure how to do that. Disco & cocaine did the trick in the 70s. Lol

          • lyn says:

            Let’s blame pot for creating moody people.

          • lateblum says:

            I guess I was thinking of my own personal experiences with protests. So your points are well taken. I was not involved in actively engaging in VNwar protests. I was present in the afternoon, at the 1968 protest during the DNC Convention in Chicago. I was not there at night when hell broke loose. (And I know there was enough blame to go around.) I was most active in the protests of the Iraq war. And those protests gained little media coverage despite the numbers of demonstrators. And btw the police presence was enormous for most of those marches/demonstrations.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Telling the police to stand down contributes to the violence, these groups should have been no where near each other. Your free speech ends when you cross that civil disobedience line, and you will be arrested. Pretty much about 4 hours of making you as uncomfortable as possible in a stuffy police van. That was never for me, I always went for the street party!

          A lot of that police standing down came under Obama.

        • 49erDweet says:

          THAT was the stooooopidist thing said that year.

    • lateblum says:

      This is a really great post, Lola. And lends to thoughtful responses. I watched limited coverage yesterday. I was so busy with my projects here. The radio station that I listen to on Saturdays has limited news reports. I did ask about the “White nationalist” labels that later led to the “White Socialists” label. Brief visits to Twitter also provided some differing points of view as they usually do. So thank you for your objective post.

    • swanspirit says:

      This was a great post, Lola, best I have read thus far on this whole Charlottesville tragedy.

  13. foxyladi14 says:

    The people react.

  14. DeniseVB says:

    This is one of the best articles I’ve seen written about the Charlottesville terror, from a Toledo, Ohio paper. That madman driver seems like, well, a madman. I mean who blasts polka music from their car radio (which is what his neighbors seem to only remember about him).

    http://www.toledoblade.com/Nation/2017/08/12/Hundreds-face-off-ahead-of-white-nationalist-rally.html

  15. foxyladi14 says:

    We need more of this. 😀

  16. DeniseVB says:

    Ha !

    • taw46 says:

      Even that would not be enough. From there, the left would go to individuals he needed to disavow. It’s Trump, they find fault with every single thing he does.

      • lyn says:

        Yep. You never can argue with the ignorant.

        • lateblum says:

          I agree. I tried to have an “intelligent” conversation with a longtime friend last night at dinner. She loathes PDJT so much that she wants him, VPPence, all the Cabinet members to be impeached and imprisoned (probably for just being alive). She is quite unemotional and so to hear this level of hate from her is shocking. She denies and disavows everything he has done and she thinks he is a member of the NY Mafia. smh.
          There is a delusional quality in her thinking about PDJT and when I mention bronco bama to her, she defends every breath he takes/took. (BTW she does not watch cable anything so it isn’t that…) Although she had quite strong negative thoughts about GWB, she gave him way more leeway in everything he did, than she is willing to give PDJT. It simply astounds me.

  17. DeniseVB says:

  18. lyn says:

    Again, President Trump is more consistent than other presidents in our time.

    • taw46 says:

      During the campaign, media could not “find” this clip where Trump called David Duke a “bigot, a racist”. But they were able to find the “grab their pussy” tape. Funny that.

      • DeniseVB says:

        The private boy talk pussy tape was leaked. One of those embarrassing hot mic moments that could end the careers of most professional politicians. Instead, this one turned into a movement and set back feminism 60 years over their faux rage.

        • taw46 says:

          Yes, I know it was leaked. They conveniently don’t leak the ones that are positive for Trump.

  19. lyn says:

    This is the rub. When the Forest Service had diversity training in the early 90s, we were told that minorities view themselves as a group whereas whites view themselves as individuals. If one minority person is slighted, the whole group is. What will happen when whites view themselves as a group? All hell will break loose, IMHO

    • lyn says:

      That’s why the Democrats are full of hate and violence today. They are the group aka. the mob. Any slight against Obama and they go apeshit.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Well, I know I couldn’t criticize Obama for 8 years because that was racist. Now I can’t support Trump for fear I’ll be labeled a Nazi ? I wish the Dems would make up their minds 😉

    • When you expel people from your group you create 2 groups – yours and theirs.

      • elliesmom says:

        My high school mentor used to quote this poem-

        He drew a circle that shut me out
        Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout
        But love and I had the wit to win
        We drew a circle and took him in.

        There isn’t enough room in the whole damn universe to draw these folks in.

  20. mothy67 says:

    Shocked I yam ACLU is letting proggies know hate speech is protected speech on thwitter.

  21. Venus says:

    This is why Trump was right to condemn hatred & bigotry on all sides

  22. mothy67 says:

    This all reminds me of A Confederacy of Dunces.

  23. mothy67 says:

    I don’t give a fuck about anymore causes. They have sapped me bone dry. Not that anyone cares what I think which suits me fine.

    • elliesmom says:

      You know, thinking about it, I don’t have any causes I care about either. I live in the boonies in a tiny little town. No one riots. If people don’t like something, they go to a town meeting and complain. The only “gang” are the kids on snowmobiles who check up on the old folks in a storm. A hand shake is a contract.. I’ve entered a time warp, and I’m just going to stay in it.

  24. The racist Alt-Right is essentially a media creation. They really exist, but only because the media promotes them. Before the media attention they were just a bunch of fringe losers.

  25. taw46 says:

  26. Venus says:

  27. mothy67 says:

    I know successful black people who strongly dislike the hood mentality just like hardworking women who were appalled by pussy hats.

  28. DeniseVB says:

    This was the start of the tea party, it was anti-Washington, not racist……

  29. AFVet says:

    Tonight I have a high level beer summit with my BIL.
    In the mean time, play with this,…..pretty cool.

    http://time.com/4882923/total-solar-eclipse-map-places-view/

    • riverdaughter, on August 13, 2017 at 6:09 pm said:
      I don’t approve of laying a hand on him, though I can certainly understand how the citizens of Charlottesville would like to tear him limb from limb.
      Back in the olden days, they would have dipped him in tar, rolled him in feathers and ridden him out of town on a rail.
      Yeah, let’s bring that back except now we should use superglue and panko bread crumbs.
      Ok, it’s still wrong to touch him. The people who did were not trained protestors. We don’t do that shit.

      riverdaughter, on August 13, 2017 at 6:21 pm said:
      Holy smokes! Did you see that woman sack him at the end of that video? She should be drafted.
      Then again, he is kind of a short guy.

      “It’s different when we do it.”

  30. My take on this is it was a low level “Night of the Long Knives.” Nazi Germany June 30-July 2 1943, where Hitler’s SS and Gestapo killed the leadership of the SA ( Sturmabteilung). I consider antifa, the KKK and the neo nazs all to be facist groups and really don’t care what they do to each other. ” History doesn’t repeat itself but it does rhyme.”

  31. The one in Merced County is at “Mike and Eddie’s Home” in Los Banos.

    FYI: The Spanish translation of “Los Banos” is literally “the bathrooms”.

  32. This is why we call it “Nutroots Nation”.

  33. Venus says:

    Good thread

  34. lyn says:

  35. John Denney says:

    I thought this good.

    ” Every normalization of extremism equally normalizes the extremism of the opposite side.

    A civil society depends on a consensus. ‘Racism is bad’ is an example of such a consensus. If you normalize black nationalism, you will get more white nationalism. If you normalize leftist street violence against Trump supporters, you will also get more street violence against leftists.”

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/267562/one-easy-way-democrats-can-stop-neo-nazis-daniel-greenfield

    • lateblum says:

      Excellent.
      I’m printing it out and sharing it with some of my “peaceful neighbors” who would like to see (white racist) me die and burn in hell because I might have voted for and might support PDJT and the rule of law.

  36. lateblum says:

    I’m back . . . plans changed r/t one of my gbabies. 😦
    But I’ll be able to see them later in the week. 😉

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