Post-Feminism? Is it time?

I get it – I’m a man and according to some Professional Feminists, I have no business writing about this.  But guess what?  I’m going to anyway.

More and more, I’m seeing women attacking other women for “not standing up for women’s issues!” My question:  Who gets to determine what is and isn’t a “women’s issue”?  Some women (like wannabe comedian Chelsea Handler) are serving major shade to another womann whose political ideology is out of step with her own point of view.  How is that a “women’s issue”?

I remember the early days of Feminism – It was a byproduct of the Civil/Equal Rights movement, and had a lot of well deserved support.  Speakers like Gloria Steinem gave a powerful voice to women’s rights, and everyone in the word listened.  It wasn’t long before Big Business (the tobacco lobby was the first I can remember) decided to jump on the bandwagon and co-opt the message to sell their own product to an emerging demographic.

Now, partisan politics seems to have picked up where Big Tobacco left off, and even one of the most prominent Professional Feminists (as if…) is slamming other women because of the stunning loss her disastrous political campaign resulted in.

If I were a woman, I’d be really pissed.  This once legitimate movement that promoted respecting women equally to any man has been reduced to the equivalent of street hooker who is there for the taking by anyone who has a buck to use her for their own pleasure, personal gain or public visibility.

I’ve heard a lot of first wave feminists justifiably complaining about what Feminism has become, and one by one they’re divorcing themselves from the movement.  They’re still staying loyal to the tenets of the original movement, but have stated they’re appalled at what it has morphed into.  I understand that frustration – I feel the same way about the LGBTQ(uixote) movement that has turned into a parody of the original.  I mean, seriously – WTF?? Gender Fluidity? From the same group that bitches about global warming deniers for “not accepting science”??  Tell me again about the difference between XX and XY, and then with a straight face, talk to me about “self identification”.  I dare you.

If enough of First Wave Feminists decided to get together and begin a Post-Feminist movement where people were judged by their abilities and respected for their character without injecting gender bias into every fucking breath, Feminism might reclaim its power.  But if we continue along this road, where “Professional Feminists” like Handler and Clinton use it so disrespectfully, women will lose any chance of being taken seriously when they are discriminated against because of their gender.  Instead, there will be groans of “O god, there goes that lunatic who can find misogyny in a tube of toothpaste”, (to quote one outspoken “feminist” in a private conversation we had a couple of years ago)

I expect to take a lot of flack for writing this.  After all, I’m a man, and “what do the menfolk know about feminism!!”  Truth is, we really want to support equality, but shy away when we see you eating your own for a reason as stupid as politics. Ditch the pussy hats, vagina costumes and tell Ashley Judd to go fuck herself.  It will help you rise again and be heard be ALL people, not just those who choose to remain in an angry echo chamber.

So take your shots – have at it.  I will take them all on the chin without flinching, but in the end, I will continue to support women who express themselves confidently, powerfully and legitimately – the same standard I apply to men.  After all, this is about equality, isn’t it?

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137 Responses to Post-Feminism? Is it time?

  1. Anthony says:

  2. Lulu says:

    Handler is an angry on the edge of haggy woman who has made choices (she regrets subconsciously) and has to live with. Her “friend” she brown-nosed obsessively dropped her, her career is headed for the toilet, she won’t mind her own f’ing business, and she is supremely “entitled” as smarter than everyone else but can’t figure out her own misery. It is the Sarah Palin thing all over again. INFERIOR woman Sarah Huckabee this time (hick from happy intact family has children, husband, great job, HAPPINESS) and this asshole who is so edgy and smart and entitled has jack shit. Jealousy, bad choices, resentment is a bitch to live with and most people recognise it when they see it. So go shut your foul mouth you stupid bitch Handler. Sad sack. Get a life.

    • mothy says:

      Damn YOU are good. Now if you would be so kind as to set my mind at ease about Deutsche Bank.

      • CiscoKid says:

        I believe I read that the bank is refusing citing “client confidentiality”
        I think European banks are pretty hush-hush.
        And again, I think they have their own laws re: customers.

      • Lulu says:

        Elizabeth Warren’s capos at the extortion agency are in 30 day hibernation until they are all fired, the SEC is run by a Trump appointee, so DB can file motions asking for probable cause which Mule-head doesn’t got. Mule-head is embarrassed and needs to vent a little spleen over Comey’s gorilla getting caught out and making them look like dumb-asses thus the 20 years of Trump banking records. It’s spite. And a red ass.

      • taw46 says:

        Lulu is here to keep us strong when we start to go all wobbly, lol.

    • Anthony says:

      She’s folding her Netflix thingy so she can become “more active and informed” lmao. Fact is, her brand of comedy was so angry and foul that she polls below Kathy Griffin

      • Lulu says:

        She’ll move to Austin next. It is cheaper to live there and she can get some gigs doing stand up for vomiting college students. Or maybe lead “bat” tours.

        • Anthony says:

          You’re probably right about that Last time I visited Texas, my host took me to Austin because “You’re from New York – you’ll love it!” Guess what? I didn’t. Also, I really resent being typecast as a “typical NY SJW”. I live in what outsiders call “the most liberal zip code in Manhattan”. Truth is, there are more Trump supporters on the Upper West Side than people imagine.

          • Underwhelmed says:

            I can imagine. Also, great post and I could not agree more. Feminism today is filthy.

          • Lulu says:

            What a lot of people don’t know about Austin is that the really, really, REALLY rich people live OUT of Austin in rural areas or ritzy enclaves. They seldom go into town because of all the weirdos or to just go check on their businesses. They shop in Houston. LOL.

  3. helenk3 says:

    Conyers retiring today. nominates his son to replace him.
    did not know we had dynasties in congress. Thought the people picked who they wanted to represent them

  4. Anthony says:

    “Women Line Up to Run for Office, Harnessing Their Outrage at Trump”

    I wonder what Nike Haley, Betsey DeVos, Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckabee Sanders and all the rest of the women that Trump has appointed have to say about that?

    • Lulu says:

      That line behind her way out in boony-ville sure is long. /s She and the prairie dogs are just f’ing furious at that Trump!

  5. DeniseVB says:

    Yay, an Anthony twofer 😀

    I’m not sure what this thing “feminism” is anymore. When Sarah Palin was introduced on the world stage in 2008 I thought she’d be embraced as the role model for all women, but the left destroyed her and her family. Why? Sarah had it all wrapped up in a nice package of love for her family, faith and country. She was a g.d. GOVERNOR too! Also, fought the good ole’ (GOP) boys club and won, put some of them in jail too. 🙂

    This is the woman I wanted to be in the 70’s, but this ad could never be made in today’s toxic “war on women” garbage……

  6. helenk3 says:

    Today’s “feminists” do not represent me or most of the women I know. The feminists I know worked to gain respect for themselves and other women. We wanted women that our daughters could look up to and learn from. Don’t see too many of them around now.
    Sarah is a woman who has a hard job. does it with class and smarts and still stays feminine . that is not easy to do especially in DC.
    these so called comedians who called themselves feminists do not even know the meaning of the word

  7. DeniseVB says:

    Jane, The Feminist has the glees for Colin, The Communist ……

  8. Miranda says:

    The allegations against Weinstein and the rest show the continuing need for feminism. Multiple men thought it was ok to summon women for sex, jerk off in front of them, and grope them IN THE WORKPLACE. There are people defending them now and men wondering if it’s ‘ok to hug women anymore’.

    (BTW, here’s a handy guide for that last question: Is the woman your relative or spouse? If yes, you can probably hug her. If not, no.)

    Earlier waves of feminism worked on the obvious issues: right to work, equal pay, and so on. Now, the criteria have become less concrete and are more focused on mindsets and general behavior. Until the Weinstein story broke, I had no idea that this was still seen as acceptable if winked at behavior.

    • Anthony says:

      Don’t judge all men by the few you’re referencing. We hate that shit as much as women hate being judged as the same type of person that Chelsea Handler or Lena Dunham are.

      • Miranda says:

        I’m not judging all men, but it’s a behavior that needs to be addressed, and it’s a behavior that was widely accepted in that industry. That it was accepted by women as well as men doesn’t make it any better.

        • Anthony says:

          We may have to agree to disagree on the scope of this. I don’t believe it is/was as widely accepted as you infer. Most businessmen that I know find it as appalling as you and other women do.

          • Lulu says:

            You are right. It isn’t accepted except by other women who profit from it. They think it is great when someone smarter, more talented, etc gets IT. Then they want to lecture women who won’t or didn’t put up with that shit for one second. They need to examine THEMSELVES and leave me and others who didn’t the hell out of it.

        • Ann says:

          I do not think it is as widespread today as people think either… at least not across all industries. The big ones – arts and government seem to be the main players in these scandals. Thirty years ago? Sure. Today? HR and lawsuits have stopped a lot of the egregious nonsense.

    • John Denney says:

      People need to feel loved and accepted. A warm hug conveys that, but one must be sensitive to to the huggee, so that it’s not perceived as an assault, but that sensitivity comes naturally if one truly cares about the other person, rather than just seeking to satisfy one’s own lusts.
      That some are cads professing false love is a fact of life, but that does not mean there are no true, honest people.

      • Miranda says:

        People need to feel loved and accepted

        Not in the workplace.

        • Somebody says:

          I disagree, it depends on the circumstances and the relationships. Years ago I hugged my boss and drove him to the hospital when his daughter was in a car accident. When we got to the hospital I also hugged his wife and made phone calls for them.

          My husband was an air traffic controller so I could not speak directly to him at work, I had to relay a message via whatever supervisor answered the phone. I had to call his work to tell him to come to the hospital because our youngest child was diagnosed with leukemia and being admitted. LOTS of his female and male co-workers hugged him and later those that visited us at the hospital hugged me too. There was absolutely NOTHING sexual about either circumstance.

  9. dm says:

    I don’t really view people through those lenses anymore as it seems all the “causes” and “movements” become co-opted and end up unrecognizable. My viewpoint has also changed with age…sometimes you have to live “through” some things to have a more complete perspective. I tend to look at people and “judge” them more on their character rather than their gender, professional position, politics, etc. I know Chelsea is a frequent mention on the gossip blog I follow…she comments on the “whoreish” aspects of Sanders – well, she should know if what half I read is true. Between those “loose” morals and her drug use, there would be very little that comes out of her mouth that I could respect, much less pay attention to.

  10. elliesmom says:

    My only bone to pick with you, Anthony, is the First Wave of feminists were Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, Alice Paul, Lucretia Mott, and women like my grandmother. They fought for suffrage, marital rights, equal rights to custody of their children, and the right to inherit. They were divided in approach, one group staging demonstrations, and hunger strikes, and the other group lobbying congress and using other traditional means of achieving their goals. But their goals were the same.

    The Second Wave of feminists included Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, and other familiar names. The real difference in this wave from the first one is there was no agreement on goals. While everyone could agree that feminism was a belief women should have equal rights to men, we couldn’t agree on what that meant. While one group went to work on passing the ERA, pay equity, access to careers, and things like equal access to credit in our name, the other group went after legal abortion and the right to be as skanky as men were. A lot of the time we worked at cross-purposes to each other. Roe v. Wade put the nails in the coffin of the ERA because now a great portion of all women refused to take ownership of the word “Feminist”. The work of the first group continued until all of our goals were achieved. When we couldn’t get the ERA passed, we worked on individual laws until the ERA became largely symbolic. Then we retired because we didn’t want to be associated with the “feminists”, either.

    It’s been so long since I’ve called myself a feminist I can’t remember when I did last. I don’t recognize the “women’s movement” today except as another movement that needs to be flushed.

    • Anthony says:

      Thanks for that, elliesmom. I stand corrected, and much better informed. Hope you weren’t offended

    • votermom says:

      another movement to be flushed

      yup!

    • DeniseVB says:

      Like all good things, the “women’s movement” was hijacked by the Democrats. You couldn’t be a “real” woman if you’re conservative or independent, you must resist everything!!!! Roe v. Wade, as I remember, decriminalized abortion so doctors wouldn’t go to jail and women stopped dying by back alley butchers. (My sister had an abortion pre-Roe v. Wade, her doctor simply called the procedure a D&C, which was legal and done in a sterile enviornment ).

    • 1539days says:

      Wasn’t Susan B. Anthony pro-life?

  11. blowme0bama says:

    I do not take blue haired, nose ringed “feminists” seriously. They have obvious emotional problems and refuse to look at reality. They want to cobble themselves together as a class of “victims” of the “patriarchy” based upon their inability to get beyond their mental illness and do anything that anyone would want to pay for.

  12. lyn says:

    “I owe a professional tip of the hat to Hillary, if indeed she is the financier behind the Dossier. Excellent work. Like the bump stock, the Dossier itself is crude and shoddy, yet it may prove to be one of the most effective tools of political assassination ever devised.”

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/12/ishmael-jones-the-trump-dossier.php

  13. taw46 says:

  14. DeniseVB says:

    Following the Ventura fire …. still not contained 😦

  15. votermom says:

    Modern day feminism, with it’s degradation of women, is rather like BLM still going on about slavery reparations when really it’s their own side preying on them.

    • swanspirit says:

      You just said so much, with so few words! I was a second wave feminist. Hard core, too. Still had twinges of wanting to be a feminist, until I saw what was done to Sarah Palin. Now, feminism is just what VM says, a degradation of women.
      And Chelsea Handler is just disgusting.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Sarah Palin was my wake-up call too. Isn’t she what we want all of our daughters to aspire to? N.O.W, RD, Amy Siskind weren’t going to have any of that !! Bimbo, hick, bible banger…..geesh. Democrats 😦

  16. helenk3 says:

    you gotta love the queen. she can put you down with style

    http://yournewswire.com/queen-elizabeth-obamas-wedding/

  17. lyn says:

    Cat Lassie …

  18. helenk3 says:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-03/u-s-house-republicans-prepare-contempt-action-against-fbi-doj-jaqegooo

    I do not ever remember this happening before. congress prepares contempt charges against FBI and DOJ

  19. SHV says:

    “Roe v. Wade put the nails in the coffin of the ERA ”
    *****
    I would have to go back and review contemporaneous news reports but I don’t remember Roe being the “feminist” issue that we think of today. The major driver was the medical community; Harry Blackmun had been atty. for Mayo Clinic(?) and major support was from AMA, ACS, ACOG, etc. Major opposition was from Catholic Church and I don’t remember any ‘Right to Life” push back from Protestant denominations. If any opinion, Repubs felt fewer welfare people the better.

    • elliesmom says:

      it was a feminist issue. Many feminists of the time believed women would never achieve equality in the workplace until they had complete autonomy over their bodies. The right to abort an unwanted pregnancy was their premier reason for participating in the movement. It’s a fallacy to attribute opposition to abortion to religion. Many, many women who have no religious affiliation oppose abortion on demand, particularly at a late stage of a pregnancy. You don’t have to believe in God to think abortion is morally wrong. The Eagle Forum headed by Phyllis Schafly was staunchly anti-abortion as was the Susan B. Anthony Foundation. Neither group had a religious connection to the Catholic church. The pro-abortion rights group was asked repeatedly to hold off on pushing a case forward to the Supreme Court until enough states had ratified the ERA. We knew becoming a movement that successfully made abortion legal would lose us a lot of support for the ERA, and we were right. Today the biggest schism between women is still over abortion. If the pro-abortion rights women had just held off a little longer, the push for the ERA would have been a lot stronger. After it passed, they could have gone for abortion rights with an even stronger case.

      • elliesmom says:

        Just as a matter of history, the National Right to Life Committee was formed in 1968. Before the ERA was voted on and passed to the states and before Roe V. Wade was decided at the Supreme Court.

  20. Dora says:

    Exclusive ­ RNC Jumps Back into Alabama Race Behind Judge Roy Moore

    MOBILE, Alabama ­ The Republican National Committee (RNC) is now again backing Judge Roy Moore, the GOP nominee for the U.S. Senate in Alabama. The RNC’s decision to now publicly support Moore again comes in the wake of President Donald Trump’s wholehearted endorsement of Moore on Monday morning.

    “We stand with the president,” a senior RNC official told Breitbart News.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/04/exclusive-rnc-jumps-back-into-alabama-race-behind-judge-roy-moore/

  21. Dora says:

    Trump’s personal banking information handed over to Robert Mueller

    ‎12‎/‎5‎/‎2017‎ ‎8‎:‎58‎:‎20‎ ‎AM · by Natufian ·
    The Guardian ^ | 12/5/2107 | Stephanie Kirchgaessner

    Donald Trump’s banking information has formally been turned over to Robert Mueller, the special prosecutor who is investigating whether the president’s campaign conspired with the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential election. Deutsche Bank, the German bank that serves as Trump’s biggest lender, was forced to submit documents about its client relationship with the president and some of his family members, who are also Deutsche clients, after Mueller issued the bank with a subpoena for information, according to multiple media reports. The news was first reported by Handelsblatt, the German newspaper.

  22. John Denney says:

    Your critics can’t touch you on this, Tony.
    You could say you’re gender fluid and felt like a woman today.
    Or that if women are just as good as men, then men are just as good as women, so they’re completely interchangeable, so what’s your beef? Am I not the equal of a woman?

  23. Myiq2xu™ says:

    Let’s not forget – Joanie Cunningham turned into a drug addict.

  24. Constance says:

    Well said Anthony!

  25. Myiq2xu™ says:

    • Anthony says:

      Sign language interpreter for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign hauls out innocuous note from 1980’s. Gotcha!

      The more I learn about Roy Moore, the more I disagree with his vision and the less I like him. Actually I had no opinion either way but I know now I wouldn’t want to spend 5 minutes with him.

      That said, I believe in due process and I have no other option but to defend him in this instance. Let him face his accusers. The burden of proof is on them.

      A friendly note wishing her well is not proof of anything except that he wishes her well in her future endeavors. I bet if he knew what a partisan asshole she would eventually turn into he never would have picked up a pen.

      • mothy says:

        I think a win by Moore would be a financial boon for the pro lgbtqlmnop activists. There isn’t a whole lot to drive up donation as Pence isn’t electrocuting anyone.

      • lateblum says:

        I’m gonna go out on a l limb here and say that I might not recall everyone I dated in college. (In h.s. it would be easy as I attended a girls’ school and my parent wouldn’t let me date.) And I wouldn’t expect everyone who dated me to remember me either. (Although that might be going some as I was irresistible.) It wouldn’t make me sad and I truly doubt it makes Ms Whosidoo sad either.

      • Constance says:

        I would vote for Moore just because if the Leftists win at their sexual deviant labeling game they will play it until hell freezes over on every Republican. This soft coup they are trying on Trump is a result of them having pulled it off on Nixon. Democrats do not like Democracy and will do anything to undermine it. You know it is just such a strain on them to run for election when THEY know that they are the true and chosen and should by right be able to take other peoples money and boss everyone.

        • Anthony says:

          I would vote for Moore if I lived in Alabama. but I don’t, so it’s none of my business.

          • Somebody says:

            That says a LOT Anthony, that you would vote for him knowing his views on homosexuality, wow!

            I hope he wins for a variety of reasons many of which have already been mentioned. However, I hope in a couple of years someone better defeats him in the primary when he runs for re-election in 2020. I think Alabama can do better than Roy Moore. Who knows maybe he will surprise me, please gawd let him surprise us all and be an outstanding senator. Pardon me if I don’t hold my breath.

          • Anthony says:

            I would vote for him because the only thing I detest more than a bigot is a commie lol. And that’s what his opponent is, so I would only have one choice if I were a voter in Alabama.

            That said, I’m not a ‘professional gay’. I prefer to live in the real world where they are all kinds of people, not just gays. Since my teens, I’ve shunned and rejected the gay community for exactly that reason. I refuse to be ghettoized because of my nature. The only reason I prefer gay bars to straight ones is because the music is usually better

          • Somebody says:

            I’m straight and I used to prefer gay bars when I bar hopped.

  26. Dora says:

    We are living in exciting times.

  27. Constance says:

    So if the banking records story is true it is like every time there is an anti Trump move by the Deep State/Dems Trump does something they hate. I think there is some real knock-down drag-out fighting going on behind the scenes. That was a really smart move to fire Comey when he was 3000 miles away and to seize everything in his office with out warning.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I think Douche (pun intended) Bank is a nothing burger. Since June 2015 ? GOPe and the Hillaries would have slam dunked this by July 2015 !

  28. taw46 says:

  29. 49erDweet says:

    Well…….to answer Anthony’s question…….No, it’s no longer about equality. That got boring real quick for some. Now it’s about power. Raw, naked power (…the visuals, the visuals…..sigh). I’d apologize but certain Feminists did it, not me.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Control too. It’s why I was purged from the DU and Dkos communities, I had uncomfortable questions about Obama. Got the “Either you’re with us or the hell with you” messages. Followed the Hillary supporters, they were much nicer to me, yada, yada, yada, somehow led me to the Klown Posse 😀

  30. Anthony says:

    😂😂😂 Shep Smith is waxing petulant because “The Republican Party and the President have decided to throw their support behind Roy Moore today!“ (then stomps foot and scowls like a little bitch)

    I’m gonna let Zsa Zsa speak for me on this one:

  31. helenk3 says:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/why-the-democrats-will-run-michele-obama-in-2020/

    the sad part is I believe they would do this. they still do not have a clue

  32. votermom says:

    just got slobbered all over by puppeh
    is the sexual harassment?

  33. helenk3 says:

    weird thought. would like some imput.
    for over 40 years the world has tried to broker peace between Israel and Palestine. It has not worked. Do you think the threat to move our Israel embassy to Jerusalem is a new way to try and bring Palestine to begin to agree to peace?

    • Somebody says:

      Could be, but it won’t work they don’t want peace.

    • DandyTIger says:

      There is zero interest in peace from the Palestinian leadership as we’ve seen for a long time. It looked like Clinton was close to a settlement, but of course Carter interfered and put a stop to that. After all, he was the arbiter of all things middle east, and he couldn’t have the new upstart solve the problem. But since then things have gotten worse. I think we’re at the point where a two state solution is no longer possible. Time to divvy up parts to Jordan and parts to Egypt and be done with it.

    • DeniseVB says:

      PDJT doesn’t screw around, so I would say YES ! Bibi’s a good follow 🙂

    • John Denney says:

      Peace through strength.
      Nations have been supportive of the Palestinians for decades, but all they do is reject peace offerings.
      Patience has run out.

  34. CiscoKid says:

    California children don’t need to know how to read everything, just learn how to read DEMOCRAT at the voting booth.
    http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article188153344.html

  35. votermom says:

    I’ve been reading our local poluce blotter again:

    On 12/02/2017 at 11:47PM, police responded to an apartment building in the unit block of — Road. A 60 year old man reported that the woman in the apartment above him uses too much hot water when she showers and doesn’t leave any for him. The 60 year old woman agreed to take quicker showers to conserve hot water.

  36. taw46 says:

    I am not easily shocked, but these people are just disgusting. I can’t believe the things they said.

  37. Dora says:

  38. Fucking brava! 2 winners in a row.

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