Why Won’t Americans Do The Jobs That Americans Won’t Do?

One of the standard defenses of illegal immigration is that “Immigrants do the jobs that Americans won’t do.” In other words, Americans won’t take shitty jobs at low pay, so we need immigrants to do them. We need to import people of color (the majority of immigrants are non-white) to do shitty, low-paid, physical labor so white people won’t have to.

I don’t know about you but that sounds racist.

So why won’t Americans do the jobs that Americans won’t do?

It seems like most of the time when I hear about ICE raids they aren’t sweeping up a bunch of mojados on a lettuce ranch, they are raiding a meat-packing plant or a bunch of 7-11’s. There are lots of illegals in construction, food processing, and yard work. I know lots of white people who also do that kind of work, or they used to anyway. In many cases it was not that white people quit working in those occupations but that they were replaced by cheaper immigrant labor.

But what if there were no illegals? What if Trump built a wall that could not be beaten and only legal immigrants could get in? What would happen to all those jobs that Americans won’t do?

It seems to me that if employers have trouble finding workers they should start offering more money and/or make the jobs less shitty. Now that will mean that prices will rise as well, but that also means that more Americans will be working so the savings in our social welfare programs should offset the inflation.

But what about picking crops? Americans won’t do that, right?

I am descended from people who picked crops. I literally grew up on a farm labor camp. I have personally witnessed an immigration raid at that camp. I will freely admit that I do not want to pick crops for a living. So what about that?

There is a definite need for temporary/seasonal workers in agriculture. Once upon a time the government tried to operate a program to bring in seasonal workers from Mexico. It was called the “Bracero” program and liberals hated it.

Go figure.

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87 Responses to Why Won’t Americans Do The Jobs That Americans Won’t Do?

  1. Myiq2xu™ says:

    Hugh Hewitt:

    Upon publication of the Nunes memo, a retired federal judge emailed me: “There is not an officer of the court in the land who in the context of this particular application to the FISA court should not have identified the source of the information as having been the [Democratic National Committee] and the Clinton Campaign. If I had granted the application and then subsequently learned that the information was sourced to the DNC and the Campaign, I would have rescinded the authorization and issued a show-cause order to the Government to explain who and why this sourcing was not made known to the court. The fact (if it be that) that the Government told the court that it was a political source, but did not identify who, in this particular instance, is highly probative that the Government purposely misled the court.”

  2. BjornTheBorg says:

    “Now that will mean that prices will rise as well, but that also means that more Americans will be working so the savings in our social welfare programs should offset the inflation.”
    Standard macroeconomics offers no reason to believe that. The standard theory is that wage-driven inflation will eventually bring on a recession, with a resulting downturn in real revenue. Maybe macroeconomics is all crap, but current theory gives no reason to hope that things will work out as you suggest.

    • Jeffhas says:

      If wages rise above welfare payments, people will have more reason to get off welfare as the welfare standard of living decreases to cr*p levels in comparison. Sure inflation will happen, but if wages outpace inflation, the ones who lose are those on Welfare/fixed incomes – which brings us to Social Security increases needing to match inflation.

      Keeping wages artificially low with illegals only creates a Master/Slave economy – like we have now (with 47% on some kind of government payments).

    • Constance says:

      I used to pick berries in the summer. It was hard, dirty and very motivational as far as staying in college (which was actually a lab tech training program not liberal arts). One problem is once they start bringing in the foreign workers they won’t speak English even if they can so it makes it impossible for American workers to function in the work place. It used to be that citizen kids did child care, house cleaning, construction jobs, crop picking, lawn and yard care, and logging all jobs that are seasonal. The money kids made helped them pay for school or their own expenses which tremendously helped middle class families. I paid for my own clothes and activities and even dentist and doctor visits from the age of 13. Most kids in my neighborhood did. That is not possible anymore because illegals have taken the jobs.

  3. Jeffhas says:

    “I will freely admit that I do not want to pick crops for a living. So what about that?”

    Then wages rise until someone will do the agricultural work or the farmers/megafarmers invest in more productive ways to collect for (robots/tech) – I don’t know what the tipping point is to invest in better technology for picking lettuce, but if they pay $30 an hour or more, legal citizens will come to work. If you treat them like snowflakes at Facebook with ping pong tables and nap areas, THEY WILL FLOCK to pick veggies. Sure, prices will rise… or operators will look for productivity gains to offset along with less social welfare payments as you say.

    Either way, the law of supply and demand dictates at some wage, workers will come. To me, the ONLY excuse for bringing in illegals/temporary workers/guest workers/ whatever you want to call them is to undercut the wages of the legal citizen workforce. Period.

  4. taw46 says:

    • Somebody says:

      No way, Adam Schiff is playing politics??? I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya!

    • Constance says:

      Of course. Trump should approve it as is and if the FBI wants to redact it let them.

    • Ann says:

      Yeah, he was leading to this yesterday with a smarmy smirk on his face while being interviewed on some news station saying – Well will the president redact parts of this memo to hide something? (possible paraphrasing, but close).

      Adam Schiff is an example of the worst of the worst in Washington DC.

  5. Somebody says:

    I think we will see more mechanized harvesting. There are some crops that aren’t conducive to mechanized harvesting, I think we will see price spikes there. We will also see more imports of those particular crops. I think big agra will get out of those crops here in the US and we’ll see a limited return of family farms, mostly concentrated in labor intensive crops. The family will provide most of the labor and those crops will be mostly local crops.

    • DeniseVB says:

      In Brooklyn, NY community gardens in the blighted parts of town are popping up everywhere for local consumption. Even on rooftops. It’s doable.

      I thought this was Michelle Obama’s BIG advocacy project, it sure didn’t take off nationally. Also, the millions that were given to Big Grocery Chains to open stores in the inner city food deserts was a bust, the neighborhoods were just too bad, so they used the money to fix up existing stores. Shhhh, don’t tell the media that some of that money probably ended up in the Obama War Chest for his second term.

    • Jeffhas says:

      I agree with this ! Either way, low cost illegal workers gotta go so legal residents can earn a living and support a family.

    • blowme0bama says:

      I brought this up a while back. It seems that quite a bit can be done mechanically, but any vegetable that is capable of producing serial havests in a single season will have to be picked by hand. For those vegetables, sure, have seasonal work visas and make the labor broker responsible for returning them at the end of the season.

    • Ann says:

      We have tons of local farms here (NYS is mostly rural). Organic is, of course, the biggie, and you cannot get into most CSAs without waiting a few years (the organic farms all seem to be family or family and a few friends).

      2017 Census for Agriculture data is being gathered now, and not available until February 2019. The last census for agriculture was 2012 if you want to google for your area. I looked up my area and 2007 was up from 2002 and 2012 was down from 2007. Should be interesting to see what 2017 holds (very few 1000+ acre farms in my local counties, the vast majority are under 500 acres, most being between 125-200 acres).

  6. DeniseVB says:

    Bless their hearts, those migrant workers do work hard, but they send all that money back to their home country which doesn’t help the local economies in farm towns. They are here legally also, I’ve never had a problem with that. When picking season is over, the good farmers usually treat them to a nice gift card to Walmart trip before they head home.

    Back in the day, kids from dirt poor families, like my dad, joined the Civilian Conservation Corps which pretty much tidied up and built our National Parks. Included room and board and very little pay, then WW2 happened and they all joined the military. Maybe we should bring that back? Young men and women (hey it’s 2018!) from inner cities and non-violent prisoners could certainly benefit. Here’s some history and it certainly could be adjusted to modern times.


  7. Dora says:

  8. Miranda says:

    People also like to hire illegals for yard work, short-term construction, etc because they can be paid under the table without tax withholding, insurance, safety requirements, etc. If you’re desperate enough, you’ll do the work WHILE they’re hosing the crops down with pesticides.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      I know people who would be happy to do some gardening or construction for pay. My cousin has a gardening business.

      • Miranda says:

        Post snake-bite, I use a lawn care service too, but what I’m saying is that a lot of people like to use immigrants (legal or not)because it’s cheaper, especially for a short-term day-labor job.

      • DeniseVB says:

        My son’s first paying job at 14 (mid-80’s) was with a friend of a friend’s landscaping business one summer. This consisted of a woman with a truck and a lawnmower, and son mowing the lawns while she sat on the porch drinking a beer with her clients. Clients gave her $35, son got $5. BIGLY lesson son learned that year.

  9. Myiq2xu™ says:

  10. DeniseVB says:

    Jeebus Arianna!

  11. Myiq2xu™ says:

    • AniEm says:

      Let’s pray Ambassador Haley has competent bodyguards. Given Middle Easter affinity for honor killing, I would construe this as a threat.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I do think Trump has her back 🙂 When I read Barbara Bush’s auto bio about GHWB’s gig as UN Amabassador, their security was as tight as the First Family’s, in an Upper East Side NYC luxury apartment/townhome to boot. Probably the best gig in the Swamp 😉

  12. Myiq2xu™ says:

    • Anthony says:

      Well, THAT went south real fast lol

    • Cisco says:

      Well, if Chelsea’s offer is genuine, anyone who accepts it is just to lazy to masterbate. 👋

    • DeniseVB says:

      If Chelsea remained apolitical I would probably still be a fan. Same with late night shows and other creepy celebrities that were With Her.

      I think my greatest conflict as a Dem was when Sonny Bono ran as a Republican and won his (Palm Springs?) district. I was a fan and stayed a fan because his heart and ideology worked for him and his constituents. Though the Dems called that tree he skied into, karma. WTF?

  13. Myiq2xu™ says:

  14. mothy says:

    An election cycle or two ago a Floridian candidate publicly stated if we stop the illegals or will cut our grass. She wasn’t concerned about their well being.
    I picked corn, washed dishes, and set up bowling pins everyone did something.

    • Constance says:

      Me too and I have to say those types of jobs considerably cut down on the time you have to conduct mischief or get pregnant when you are a teen!

  15. Myiq2xu™ says:

  16. Seymour Clearly says:

    Schiff has those crazy Andy Kaufman eyes.

  17. Myiq2xu™ says:

  18. Myiq2xu™ says:

  19. Myiq2xu™ says:

    • Lulu says:

      Most of them go “home” every summer and Christmas to stay with grandma with their fake or stolen ID’s so the no connection to Mexico is bullshit. Video’s of the south bound lanes at the international bridges should be a public service announcement to educate people on what is going on.

      • Myiq2xu™ says:

        Even if they never step foot out of the country after they get here they will still have ties to their home countries. It’s called “family.” If their parents are immigrants they are going to grow up in Virtual Mexico – physically in America but culturally still in Mexico.

        Mexican kids who grow up in the US are referred to as “Pochos” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocho which roughly translates as “bleached ones.” White people are “Gabachos” and illegals are “Mojados” (“Wet ones”).

  20. Myiq2xu™ says:

    The snowflakes are melting!

    • lateblum says:

      There is such blowback from this ad. The snowflakes are losing it and so is the state GOP. And the candidate refuses to remove the ad. She met with the GOP at a luncheon where she challenged those who were calling for – no – make that demanding that she pull the ad. She asked them to name the falsehoods in the ad. She then asked them what specifically was wrong with her ad. If anyone responded truthfully, there is no record of it as far as I know. Someone did say that her ad’s portrayal of the transgendered man was negative and untruthful. Her response was that she has had “many” trans men approach her and come to her office. She then told that man doing the objections that he should get out into the real world and look around.
      I’d love to vote for her, but I have to vote in the Dem primary this time. I need to vote against Pritzker.. He is scum. Gov Rauner is running ads featuring Pritzker in phone convos with Blago and his scheme to use the Obama senate seat as a reward for donations to Blago’s reelection campaign. Pritzker didn’t fall for the deal saying he’d rather be state Treasurer. Most likely so he could raid the treasury. He is quite deceitful and could be the most dishonest politician – a necessary qualification to run as a Dem.
      I could go on and on. We have 2 other Dems running for governor. Chris Kennedy – yes THAT Kennedy. And Daniel Biss. I’m voting for Biss. So the GOP will have to go on without me this time.

  21. Anthony says:

    Dow up to almost 25K, bet it’s gonna be obamas economy again

    • DeniseVB says:

      Yep, that’s how it works. Good Stuff Happens: Obama’s credit
      Bad Stuff Happens: Trump’s fault

    • Mt.Laurel says:

      NBC spent two days pushing the end of times – and they started early yesterday with a flurry of push notifications which they kept up all the and night and is what set my tinfoil hat off. I noticed the others here in swampland opted for a more reserved approach such as – just reportin the flux and here are some long term tips for the market or how to handle the reset to the new normal as the market adjusts. NBCDC was still going at it until around noon – then all of a sudden – not even a blip for the weather advisory or 10 car pileup as NBCDC resets itself instead.

  22. helenk3 says:


    good discussion . I like the idea of a national vetting center. Wasn’t that what Ellis Island and Angel Island were?

    • DeniseVB says:

      I often wonder if my grandparents weren’t let in at Ellis Island, would I be here? Both came as babies with different families from Italy. Would they have even met? They certainly weren’t letting everybody in.

  23. Myiq2xu™ says:

    This week we saw a perfect example of how corrupt journalism has become. There was an opportunity to report the news and journalists and their fellow travelers in the pundit class balked. While that wasn’t unusual, what was is how they did it in the lead up to the news, not bothering to wait until they’d seen what they were attempting to discredit. There was an unprecedented attempt to make the release of the FISA memo NOT NEWS before anyone knew what was in it.

    Over the past two weeks, Democrats scrambled to “warn” the public that the release of the FISA memo would “damage national security” were it released. Journalists picked up the mantra and ran with it, unquestioningly parroting it in badgering Republicans about why they would support its release considering this charge. There was virtually no discussion as to whether or not this allegation was true or an attempted partisan distraction, it was simply accepted and repeated as if it had been carved into stone tablets by a burning bush and sent directly to the teleprompter in their TV studios.

    The memo, of course, was nothing of the sort. There was nothing that was a threat in any way to national security, no remote mention of sources or methods. It was all a Democratic Party lie immediately adopted by journalists. As with past false stories that needed to be retracted or corrected, there was no comeuppance for those who spread the lie to the media, nor the media figures who regurgitated it. It happened, and when it was proven to be a lie, it was memory-holed. (This story on the subject to not even mention it.)

    The lying by Democrats in the lead up to the memo’s release wasn’t surprising, nor was the complicity of journalists in spreading that lie. What was is how there was virtually no curiosity or interest in the memo and its contents in the days leading to its release from the people whose job it is supposed to be to convey information to the public. All journalists did was attempt to taint it’s release so as to foster disinterest in it in their audience when they could finally see it.

  24. Myiq2xu™ says:

  25. John Denney says:

    Wealth must be continually produced, since it rots or is consumed. Your spiffy new car is junk in a decade or two, right? Your nice clothes wear out. Your house get weather-beaten. That great T-bone steak, once consumed, is gone forever.
    Inflation goes up when not enough is produced (except producing more paper money causes inflation). See Venezuela, where government mandated consumer prices are below the cost of production, which turned producing into a losing proposition, so nobody does it.

  26. votermom says:

    I think the government could encourage Americans to do farm labor – make farm wages income tax exempt.
    Illegals don’t pay taxes anyway, so it’s not a loss.

  27. Myiq2xu™ says:

  28. 49erDweet says:

    Apparently I’ve being drafted again. Something about a “world wide search for a center core”?

  29. Myiq2xu™ says:

    • Somebody says:

      I am very wealthy #getmehotin4words
      I am well hung #getmehotin4words
      I could keep on, but I might turn raunchy

      • DeniseVB says:


        Milo and PJW Sandwich !

        No Ladyparts on Head (see what I did there, made a new compound word 😉 )

        Wanna pet my pussycat?

        Can I bring Melania?

        I’ll bring Grey Goose.

        Also bringing Fireball shots.

        I read TCH Daily. (doesn’t make me hot, just sane 😛 )

  30. Myiq2xu™ says:

  31. DeniseVB says:

    Can’t wait for Shutdown Day 😛

  32. DeniseVB says:

    Sharyl Attkisson contributing to The Hill now?

  33. Myiq2xu™ says:

  34. helenk3 says:

    I am listening to an interview with Trey Gowdy. He is talking about his reasons for not running again. He will be missed. Not to often you find an honorable man in congress. Wish we had more

    • votermom says:

      why is he quitting?

      • helenk3 says:

        he wants to go into private law practice. He says he loves the justice system. He believes that politics is NOT a lifetime job.

        • lateblum says:

          In an interview last week, he also said he was sad that he was unable to be more effective as a representative and that he felt he could contribute more back in the service of justice.

  35. Old Jules says:

    Americans are usually only willing to take tedious, dirty, abusive and physically challenging jobs if the pay is sufficient to allow them to compete with easier indoor jobs when there’s some chance of advancement. And several generations of Americans have never experienced the sort of hard times where any job is a good job because not having a job means missing meals and shelter. But anyone who pretends to be concerned about illegals ought to be pushing not for a wall, but for a law and strict enforcement to put people who hire illegals, people who sell shelter to illegals, people who abet illegals in any way, into prison. Problem solved. No more illegals, no wall, all is well with the world.

  36. What happen is when bids are made for some type of construction, farming, or other physical labor required, the companies that have legitimate overhead but use allegedly illegal immigrants to do the work can underbid companies that use all legal workers from the U.S.
    However, for your gripe to have true merit, then Republicans should be for a livable wage. I think right now the Federal minimum wage is 7.50 an hour, it should be 12 dollars an hour with a pathway to 15 dollars an hour within a couple of years in exchange for worker loyalty.

  37. And maybe there should be a teen minimum wage, a Millennial minimum wage, and then a Minimum wage for those over 40, the smart ones. ha ha. Maybe the teen minimum wage is 8 bucks an hour, for Millennials it would 12 dollars an hour, and for those over 40 it would be 16 dollars an hour. The one size fits all minimum wage should probably go.

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