Reading Tea Leaves


I’m still digesting the events of the past week. Trump is the Energizer POTUS.

I don’t know how this is gonna play out. I feel optimistic, but that might just be a stray fart bubble. I have read the criticisms and they raise some legitimate issues. The big question is one that nobody knows the answer to, including Kim Jong Un, and that question is “Will Kim follow thru?”

Quien sabes?

I did notice that the summit went off like clockwork. The only hitch was when Jim Acosta started shouting like an angry fishwife. That kind of smoothness doesn’t happen by accident. It was a made-for-TV production. And as I mentioned yesterday, there were no pre-summit leaks from the White House.

There were some other odd bits of information floating around I haven’t integrated into my thought.

What do you think?

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194 Responses to Reading Tea Leaves

  1. votermom says:

    Kim issues invitation to Acosta to visit NK
    “come meet my favorite puppies, noisy round eye”

  2. Somebody says:

    I think a golden opportunity was missed by the Singapore government. They should have arrested Acosta for public disrespect and then publicly caned him. If they put it on PPV they would have recouped the cost of the summit and made a tidy profit. Then again, maybe I’m just a bitch.

  3. blowme0bama says:

    Yes, as I’d said previously, the event yesterday was for show. It was obvious that it had all been agreed to earlier or they wouldn’t have met publicly.

  4. Somebody says:

    As for my thoughts on the summit, I’m more in the wait and see mode. Clearly the sanctions are squeezing NK in ways previous attempts didn’t. Mostly because this administration refuses to turn a blind eye to cheating and the sanctions are stronger than previously. I also think Kim know this POTUS is not bluffing nor will any strike be half ass and weak kneed, no flyers dropped warning of an attack in an hour 🙄

    Those motivations on the part of NK give me hope, but I don’t trust them. They’ve promised before, so we’ll see. I hope for the people of NK’s sake this time is for real. From the US perspective we must have strong verification, I trust our side will demand that given NK’s track record.

    • Cisco says:

      Trump had just kicked G7 in the gonads and walked away.
      Kim was smart, he must have thought, “Trump isn’t bsing, he’ll walk away, time to make a deal”

  5. elliesmom says:

    I’ve had to interact with a lot of people who have been resistant to doing what I want and need them to do. It’s the daily job of a teacher who isn’t teaching AP classes all day. The one indisputable truth about human nature is people are most willing to do what is in their own self-interest, and we only get to decide what that is for ourselves. Teachers who don’t understand most kids don’t respond well to “do it because it will be good for later” spend a lot of time angry. Even people who comly with the orders of a brutal dictator do it because they think it’s the only way to survive. Kim will do what is in his own self-interest. If he shows interest in raising his foot off the necks of the people in NK, the people will have to decide if it’s in their best interest to still follow his lead or hang him for past deeds and take their chances with who steps in to fill the void hanging him creates. Having an ally like Trump might be in Kim’s self-interest.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      I can see a path for Kim that would make him into a hero in the eyes of all Korea.

      “Brutal dictator who inherited position frees his people and brings peace and prosperity to all Korea.”

      It’s called redemption.

  6. helenk3 says:

    video shown to Kim

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  9. Cisco says:

    Seems that China wants in on the deal, make no mistake.

    • Anthony says:

      Of course they do. If NOKO fucks up, that territory will be divided up between China and SOKO (the US by proxy). It’s a win-win for both the USA and China.

      • Cisco says:

        👍 You said it.
        That’s the way I figure too.
        Russia cut Cuba loose years ago, China could also unass NOKO.
        🎼…land lotsa land, don’t fence me in…🎼

  10. Anthony says:

    Trump didn’t get where he got in the private sector (or into the White House for that matter) by being a chump. I think its an effective political strategy for the Dems and other haters to cast him as a naive buffoon who is green enough to trust Kim’s word without question or having a Plan B up his sleeve. That’s their spin for the mid term election season. It’s also a foolish mistake to treat one of the biggest killer sharks in the international business community like he just fell off a turnip truck.

    The reality is that this summit was “deal making 101”: craft an agreement in good faith and hold the other party’s feet to the fire to maintain the same level of good faith and actually deliver on their promises throughout the process or transition. This is how respect (not trust) is built in business. Giving the benefit of doubt to your opponent allows them to save face and continue to oversee the operation of their former company (in this case, a country) effectively. Otherwise, they look weak and lose control over their employees or citizens, and you have to expend the time, effort and cost of doing it for them. Trump doesn’t have time or incentive to run NOKO. It would be more prudent to just write it off as a loss.

    We cannot judge his strategy according to conventional political wisdom. Instead, look at it from a business perspective and see this as a hostile takeover. If Kim fucks up, the deal is off and sanctions are restored and/or beefed up. The country/company will then implode and be written off as a loss for the Trump administration, and the world continues to turn without them. There would probably be an agreement or negotiations between China and South Korea (American proxy) to absorb the geographical territory that NOKO once was,

    Im not worried about what might happen if NOKO defaults. My Dad used to do a lot of acquisition negotiation, and you never take over a company that you can’t afford to lose if the worst case scenario comes to pass

    It would help if Congress learned to understand how business is done in the real world and apply themselves instead of spending every waking minute on securing lifetime appointments.

  11. helenk3 says:

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=58552

    this is America right? If you are taken to court in this country you have the right to see the evidence against you , don’t you?

  12. helenk3 says:

    has anyone seen this. this little guy thinks he is spiderman

    https://www.weaselzippers.us/387881-watch-mpr-racoon-now-on-the-23rd-floor/

  13. helenk3 says:

    my favorite cartoon so far this week

  14. votermom says:

    if Korea reunifies, I wonder if they will adopt a ceremonial monarchy ot some sort.

  15. BjornTheBorg says:

    The biggest loser in the summit had to be John Bolton. The US got no serious commitment to NorK denuclearization — certainly nothing that meets the standard that Bolton endorsed. The “maximum pressure” business is now gone, and the Kim regime is in a very solid position. Compared to the Iran deal that everybody hated, this has even less to like. Of course, NorK already had the hydrogen bomb and functioning ICBMs, so there may have been no point in trying to get them to go for denuclearization. On the other hand, the risk of armed conflict is now very low. I’m happy enough with where things are.

    • elliesmom says:

      Did you enjoy your nap the last few days?

    • Anthony says:

      Maximum pressure is not gone – it’s on hold. If Kim defaults, it comes back on steroids. As far as Bolton goes, despite his reputation, he was obviously on board. Also, Bolton’s not POTUS.

      • BjornTheBorg says:

        There’s no way for Kim to “default” on an agreement that requires him to do nothing in particular. He suspended testing of bombs and missiles before the meeting, and that’s presumably because he and his crew are confident that they their weapons are a credible deterrent. So, if the Kim regime simply engages in prolonged talks about how to remove nuclear weapons from the entire peninsula, they get all the benefits of sanctions relief without actually having to concede anything. That will keep them happy, and surely reduces the risk of armed conflict, but it’s not going to get them to abandon their nuclear deterrent.

        • Anthony says:

          You should read what Kim agreed to more carefully. He agreed to complete denuclearization. Period. If he defaults, he’s screwed. I know that blows a hole in both your theory and your ego, but you’re perceiving this agreement inaccurately. Foxyladi14 left a link to it above. Use it to clarify your misconception.

          • BjornTheBorg says:

            Kim agreed to “work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean peninsula,” which is a formulation that goes back to the 90s and is consistent with simply talking about how to denuclearize the peninsula while doing nothing in particular. No concrete steps are required and no informed person expects any. Maybe Kim really wants to get rid of his nuclear deterrent, but that would be completely inconsistent with his past practice and stated goals. But it’s an empirical question, so we can wait to find out.

          • Anthony says:

            So “work toward complete denuclearization” doesn’t mean “complete deneuclearlization??? I’m beginning to think you’re being deliberately obtuse to confirm your own biased narrative. Its clear from the terms of the agreement that if Kim goes back on his word, he’s a dead man walking. What part of that is giving you so much trouble?

          • DandyTIger says:

            Apparently you’re new to this planet Bjorn. All first meetings with adversaries have a fluff first meeting to gain some connection and trust. Exactly this happened with Reagan’s Soviet meetings. What exactly did you think would happen? Everything that happened of course is instantly reversible. Trump could launch war games tomorrow. For that matter, he could launch missiles tomorrow and end NoKo. He could undo the giving Kim legitimacy in one tweet as he’s famous for. This griping and complaining and huffing about this meeting is fascinating, and very telling.

          • BjornTheBorg says:

            In general, “work toward X” does not mean “do X”. I can work toward being a billionaire by investing small amounts of money, or work toward being a cordon bleu chef by learning how to boil water, without ever becoming a billionaire or a cordon bleu chef. The signed agreement has literally no concrete deliverables required from NorK. The US has been down this road before, and got nothing for it. I expect nothing by way of denuclearization, but perhaps my expectations are too dismal. Time will tell.

          • Anthony says:

            Whatever. You seem to be stuck in your own loop lol. Good luck with that.

          • Jadzia says:

            DandyTiger, that’s exactly what I’ve been thinking. Although I have not negotiated an international treaty before, I’ve negotiated settlements in plenty of lawsuits and witnessed corporate megadeals when I was at Biglaw. Nothing is ever finalized during the first meeting. You meet, part, strategize, meet, part, strategize, for however many rounds it takes.

    • Cisco says:

      “Maximum pressure” is gone?
      Trump said there on till NORKO shows results.
      Iran deal?
      Trump isn’t shipping Kim Billions of $$$ to sign on in pallets during the middle of the night.
      The missles and bombs must be dismantled, and verified.
      Currently there is sorta land rush to buy land near and around the DMZ for development.
      ZeroHedge has the article.

    • DandyTIger says:

      No pressure has been eased or removed. Further pressure waiting in the wings is still waiting in the wings, as you do during negotiations. As is bombing them into oblivion. Perhaps us not bombing them right now is also a shock? 🙂 War games scheduled for next year (since they just had their annual games) is still scheduled. No unscheduled war games that they weren’t going to do anyway remain unscheduled. 🙂 A first meeting where everyone says a bunch of things that can be taken away in an instant is pretty much how all first meetings between adversaries go, so saying anything about the fluffy niceties is absurd.

    • Somebody says:

      The sanctions stay on until North Korea denuclearization reaches a point of no return. That is what POTUS said yesterday, the sanctions stay. However he has a list of more sanctions that he’s holding in his pocket to add if they don’t follow through.

      REPEAT….the sanctions stay in place for now. No money was given to NK. We did however agree to stop joint military exercises.

      • BjornTheBorg says:

        The sanctions last as long as China wants them to last. And the Chinese foreign ministry has made it pretty clear that by NorK and the US accepting their “dual suspension” model, the sanctions are de facto finished. Nobody has given NorK money, but China is almost certainly easing up on its enforcement of the sanctions. This may be a bad thing, but it may not. Wait and see.

    • Constance says:

      Compared to the Iran deal we actually gained release of all our citizens taken hostage by North Korea and we didn’t send them billions in cash. Leaving our citizens in Iran and sending them cash made us look like the stupidest people who ever lived. I’d say so far so good on the NoKo deal and 10 times better so far than the Iran deal. Also what is this crap in the Iran deal that we could inspect for nukes but not on military bases. WTF? Where else would you look for nuclear weapons?

    • Venus E. Lee says:

      You’re a moron.
      You offer nothing of substance to the conversation.
      Have a seat.

  16. helenk3 says:

    way off topic.
    if anyone knows someone in Indiana that would like an interesting but hard work career

    http://www.wane.com/news/local-news/norfolk-southern-plans-massive-hiring-spree/1225127851

    • Cisco says:

      Many, many thanks hk3!
      I have at least 5 young strapping men who live in Indiana and are looking for better jobs.
      Relatives of a lifelong friend.
      Wonderful catch 👍🌟👍

      • helenk3 says:

        I am glad I went to work for the railroad. I met great people from all over this country.Saw a lot of this beautiful country.. Understand it is not a 9 to 5 weekend off job. Crazy hours, sometimes hard on family.

    • helenk3 says:

      BTW this is a sign that the economy is really improving. When freight is moving goods it is a good sign. I can remember during the recession engines and freight cars all parked in a rail yard.

  17. SHV says:

    The big question is what does China see as the end game? If it’s Norks giving up nukes vs PDJT tanking the Chinese economy, then Norks give up nukes. Heavy US investment in NK and Korean Unification, then Kim is a dead man walking. It cost the Chinese 200,000 dead and 750,000 casualties to push the Americans off of the Yalu, they have long memories.

  18. swanspirit says:

    We are all in wait and see mode, I think, that is a given. I would like to see some immediate steps taken in the direction of de-nuking on the part of NK. Something concrete. Or at least a list of those steps that will be taken. A real start with action, beyond words.
    What’s the plan Rocket Man? There must be 50 ways to de-nuke your country.
    📝 📝 📝 📏📐📋📋
    But I also think, that POTUS brilliantly held this summit, to bring Kim out on the world stage, to flatter his ego, and respect his people; but also to have him make this commitment on a grand scale,because to back down from it after all the public hullabaloo, would cause Kim to seriously lose face, and standing.

    I enjoyed every minute of the summit coverage, even Acosta showing the world was a complete ass he is, because, well, that is what he did. Just as the left continues to demonstrate how truly deranged they are. They are too unhinged to be trusted with public office.

    • Somebody says:

      I agree with you Swannie about the public hullabaloo. 50 ways to denuke your country? Reminds me of the song 50 ways to leave your lover, LOL!

      Just slip out the back Jack, make a new plan Stan, Don’t need to be coy Roy….LOL!

      I remember hearing yesterday they expect to have things nailed down and begin the process by late July. That seem an ambitious time line.

  19. foxyladi14 says:

    WOOT

    • Cisco says:

      For real?
      Obama couldn’t even get the Olympics to his adopted home town of Chicago.😂

  20. foxyladi14 says:

  21. helenk3 says:

    you gotta see this. another one who wants me refugees in his country but has a problem with his own citizen’s needs

  22. Myiq2xu™ says:

  23. Dora says:

    Great news!

  24. helenk3 says:

    Sessions says treat to congress never happened.
    who has the pictures, negatives and kneepads on this guy

  25. helenk3 says:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/12/liberals-turn-on-soros/

    looks like the left is turning on the hand that feeds it

  26. DandyTIger says:

    #1 female drummer of the year, from some random context, whatever. But very good:

  27. helenk3 says:

    nancy’s little friends

    (deleted)

    MS13 terrorizing school

  28. Dora says:

  29. Dora says:

    Damn!

    • DandyTIger says:

      This is Mueller’s only shot, so he’s pulling out all the stops. I suspect he threatened Cohen’s lawyers that their offices would be raided and they’d go to jail if they kept on the case. Maximum pressure as the last chance to try to make something stick for Trump impeachment. All kind of moot if the Dems don’t win the house of course.

    • Venus E. Lee says:

    • Cisco says:

      Oh, yea.I hope Kim doesn’t fall for that defeatist bull s**t that the American propaganda corps is slinging.

  30. helenk3 says:

    https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/trumps-new-foreign-policy-the-cooptation-doctrine/

    a pretty good look on how Trump thinks on NK deal. It makes a lot of sense

  31. helenk3 says:

    a must watch

  32. foxyladi14 says:

    The 30-year path of Donald Trump to the presidency.

  33. SHV says:

    “Congress and POTUS Will Be Briefed on IG Report Noon Tomorrow, Public Release 3:00pm…”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/06/13/congress-and-potus-will-be-briefed-on-ig-report-noon-tomorrow-public-release-300pm/
    *****
    Hoping that it’s not another Deep State white wash…”Mistakes were made; recommend review and revision of policy and procedures”

  34. Dora says:

    Bad News.

  35. DeniseVB says:

    Checking in after 2 days of my laptop’s meltdown and Nick Freitas’ loss in the VASen primary. What a horse race. He was ahead til the final minutes and NoVa gave Corey Stewart an over the top finish results. Just like that, it was over. Guess what? I didn’t fall to my knees and scream at the sky. The Freitas supporters are already preparing for 2020 (against Warner) and 2021 (governor). Not sure Dandy will agree 🙂

  36. SHV says:

    Progs are scared shitless about release of IG report at 3:00 PM tomorrow. CNN, ABC,NBC, MSNBC websites all anti-PDJT stories…Nada IG report….At FOX, headline story.

  37. Lulu says:

    I Googled fake eyebrows on Chrome a couple of days ago (it is my weather preferred browser) and now my weather site is covered with fake (!real hair!) eyebrow ads. WTF. Gross. Little eyebrows, big hairy eyebrows, clown eyebrows, all eyebrows!

  38. SHV says:

    “It’s Official: Senate GOP Campaign Group NRSC “Has No Plans” to Endorse Corey Stewart”

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/06/its-official-senate-gop-campaign-group-nrsc-has-no-plans-to-endorse-corey-stewart/

    • elliesmom says:

      It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    • Constance says:

      Just restrict the definition of female to a person who does not possess a y chromosome.

    • Underwhelmed says:

      Yes. It’s the logical outcome after SJW fuckwits tell girls to suck it up when competing against biological boys. Because feminism.

      • elliesmom says:

        Women and girls are the only ones being asked to accommodate the gender-confused. Why weren’t men asked to make adjustments to their bathrooms and locker rooms to make men who think they’re women more comfortable using the facilities? Women need to wake up and realize when it comes to identity politics and “intersectionality”, they always come out at the bottom of the pile. Who had to wait 50 years after black men to get the vote? Who needs to make adjustments to accommodate Muslim rape culture? Women who think their lives matter to the left are dumb broads.

  39. taw46 says:

    I hope this is fake news.

    • taw46 says:

      The story says she “told friends” she will leave the end of the year. Big whoop.

    • Venus E. Lee says:

      More fake news (like the Cohen & Rosenstein stories) to distract from IG report.

      • John Denney says:

        Dang! You beat me by thiiiiiiiiissss much. 🙂

      • SHV says:

        Or a test for a leaker??? What leaker could resist the story of Sarah leaving??? On the other hand, with three small children, leaving at the end of the year would be quite rational.

    • John Denney says:

      Fake news, according to Sarah.

  40. Dora says:

  41. Venus E. Lee says:

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  43. SHV says:

    Still not a mention of IG report on Fake News web sites….CNN big headline is “On Plane Back From Summit, Trump called his lawyers”…..CBS “Sanders leaving, etc…..”
    Maybe wishful thinking but the daft report has been out for weeks and no leaks; indication of how bad it is for deserving people??….There have been so many disappointments over the past few decades with “reports” that end up being Deep State coverups…we will know in 24 hours.

  44. SHV says:

    All American Division

    @82ndABNDiv
    Breaking: With the #MPRaccoon safely rescued, the Global Response Force will stand down. Let us know if you need anything. #BackToFortBragg #JumpScratched #BeSafeLittleFella

    12:42 PM – Jun 13, 2018

  45. Venus E. Lee says:

  46. SHV says:

    ““Brutal dictator who inherited position frees his people and brings peace and prosperity to all Korea.”

    It’s called redemption.”
    *****
    Stranger things have happened…Kim’s great grandparents were Christian and South Korea is the most Christian Asian country. Maybe he listens to Christian radio directed at the North Korea.

    “North Korea’s Secret Christians
    South Koreans are proselytizing in the adamantly atheist country using thousands of illicit radios smuggled over the border.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/04/north-korea-christian-radio/558755/

  47. Myiq2xu™ says:

    Read this thread:

  48. Venus E. Lee says:

    Fucking lunatics

  49. Venus E. Lee says:

    Please be true:

  50. Myiq2xu™ says:

  51. Mt.Laurel says:

    Given that I am surrounded by people who wanted to see PDJT nuked earlier this week I did not bother to add my own comments until safely home. I am very cautiously optimistic that recent event will alter the course of NK for the better, eventually lead to a more stable relationship between NK and other countries.and hopefully improve conditions for the NK people. It will be a slow process that may have quite a few bad bumps in the road even if it works but it is better than the really crappy alternatives.

    I am now off to bed having picked out my work outfit for today. Navy blue polka dot skirt, red shell and red/white striped scarf. Will see how many of the bots notice. They may not recognize the nod to the USA Flag.

    So to all the TCHers, a triple play for the 14th of June

    Happy Flag Day

    Happy Birthday President Trump

    and most important
    the 105th anniversary of my own Dad’s Birth. To bad he is gone, Dad really would have liked to see that parade that is planned for Nov 11th.

  52. Dora says:

    Happy Flag Day.

    Happy Birthday Mr. President.

    I believe this quote will go into the history books, especially if everything goes well.

  53. Dora says:

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. PRESIDENT!

  54. Dora says:

    Elizabeth Warren Declares War On Billionaires — Does That Include All The Liberal Ones?

    Politics of Envy: Sen. Elizabeth Warren wants her fellow Democrats to take on what she calls the “billionaire class.” Does Warren know that many, if not most, of this tiny group of people are liberal Democrats?

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/elizabeth-warren-democrats-liberal-billionaires/

  55. Dora says:

    Trump rally in Duluth, MN on June 20th

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com

  56. Dora says:

    Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard Break with Pelosi on Trump-Kim Summit: ‘Important First Step’ Towards Peace

    In a revolt against the Democratic Party establishment, anti-war leftists Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) are praising President Trump’s summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/12/bernie-sanders-tulsi-gabbard-break-with-pelosi-on-trump-kim-summit-important-first-step-towards-peace/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29

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