What is so special about Freedom of the Press?


According to the drama queens at CNN, Trump is endangering their lives by telling the truth about them. At that Trump rally where the audience was standing in line to mock and jeer at Jim Acosta, it seemed to me that Costa was hoping there would be an incident.

To hear Democrats in and out of the media tell it, Trump’s rhetoric is unprecedented. They also seem to believe that Freedom of the Press is the most important civil right we have.

I say poppycock and bullfeathers.

Here is an interesting article about the history of journalism in America

Journalism in America began as a humble affair and became a political force in the campaign for American independence. Following independence, the first article of U.S. Constitution guaranteed freedom of the press and speech and the American press grew rapidly following the American Revolution. The press became a key support element to the country’s political parties but also organized religious institutions.

[…]

Newspapers flourished in the new republic — by 1800, there were about 234 being published — and tended to be very partisan about the form of the new federal government, which was shaped by successive Federalist or Republican presidencies. Newspapers directed much abuse toward various politicians, and the eventual duel between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr was fueled by controversy in newspaper pages.

By 1796, both parties sponsored national networks of weekly newspapers, which attacked each other vehemently.[12] The Federalist and Republican newspapers of the 1790s traded vicious barbs against their enemies.

Some of this sounds downright familiar.

By the time of the Civil War, many moderately sized cities had at least two newspapers, often with very different political perspectives. As the South began the task of seceding from the Union, some papers in the North recommended that the South should be allowed to secede. “The government, however, was not willing to allow ‘sedition’ to masquerade (in its opinion) as ‘freedom of the press.’” Several newspapers were closed by government action. After the massive Union defeat at the First Battle of Bull Run, angry mobs in the North destroyed substantial property owned by remaining “successionist” newspapers. Those still in publication quickly came to support the war, both to avoid mob action and to retain their audience.

There a couple things I want to point out.

First of all, our Founding Fathers never imagined the modern media. They were so enamored by the printing press because it was the smartphone of the 18th Century. It was cutting-edge technology that could print a hundred pages a day! But they operated manually and were usually published weekly or biweekly.

But the press of that era didn’t publish much in the way of news. They printed up letters and essays supporting and defending issues of interest to the colonists. The political parties used newspapers, and so did some churches. Newspapers did not start to become independent and neutral until the mid-19th Century.

The rotary press and the telegraph gave papers the ability to publish news stories from around the world. By the late 19th Century most papers had switched from paid subscriptions to advertising as their source of income. This was the era when the newspaper industry began its rise to power.

Eventually, radio came along. Then along came television, computers, social media and smartphones. The dead tree media is dying. But never fear, SCOTUS decided years ago that you didn’t need a printing press to be a member of the “press.”

Nowhere in the Constitution does it define the press, nor does it give them any special powers or protections. At the time the Constitution was written, signed, and adopted,no one could have predicted that journalists would shout questions at a POTUS and demand asnswers. Teddy Roosevelt was the first POTUS to hold press conferences.

Other than the fact that one is written and one is spoken is there any difference between freedom of speech and freedom of the press? Where does the news media get off arrogating themselves new powers and privileges?

I think the power of the media is overrated.

And with that I have to flea.


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154 Responses to What is so special about Freedom of the Press?

  1. Dora says:

    Did you all know that today is ‘Obama Day?

    Such idol worship of a total failure is making me ill.

  2. Myiq2xu™ says:

    If you see any typos I put them there on purp[ose

  3. SHV says:

    “coolest President in History. ”
    *****
    Dumbest President in US History…but I can understand David Bernhardt opinion, Snowflakes consider ignorance and stupidity a virtue and cool; just consider the new face of the Prog DemSoc Party.

  4. lyn says:

    When the newsies become the story, they should resign.

  5. Myiq2xu™ says:

    • John Denney says:

      “In an attempt to further minimize risks of injury and increase safety, weapon screening locations will be stationed at entrances to Tom McCall Waterfront Park on Saturday around the demonstration area and Explosive Detection Canines will be present prior to and at the event,” said PPB spokesman Sgt. Chris Burley Friday. “Prohibited items may be temporarily or permanently seized by police, if in violation of city, state or federal law.”

      https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/we-dont-want-this-here-mayor-warns-against-violence-at-portland-rally/283-580137841

      The governor of Arizona was told by the Obama administration that she should not be enforcing federal law, that she should leave it to the feds to do. But that was immigration, not icky weapons.

  6. DeniseVB says:

    I want to see this. Looks factual 😉

  7. DeniseVB says:

    Dan Rather is still around? When I first saw the PDJT tweet, racism never popped in my mind, therefore, Rather is a racist 😉

  8. Dora says:

    Remember Her?

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      A conservative speaker tries to give a talk to some college GOP’s and a mob of SJW’s shut it down. If the media covers the speech and protest they try to spin it for the mob. Under no circumstances do they publish a transcript or post a video of the conservative’s speech.

      A loony leftie wants to go into a rant against America so the media set up a press conference for her in the middle of NYC. If they fail to present her words in full it will be because they had to edit them out to protect her.

  9. DeniseVB says:

    Glad Dinesh is on our side ❤

  10. 49erDweet says:

    Responding to Klown’s post, IMO press freedom is not the same as freedom of the media. Journo’s today use the terms interchangeably but they have vastly different meanings. In fact, media could logically be charged with restricting freedom of the press by deliberately failing to publish both – or all – sides of an issue. A media outlet that evenhandedly published all sides of an issue would be brilliantly profitable, but is highly unlikely to ever exist.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      A media outlet that evenhandedly published all sides of an issue would be like if Playboy quit posting pictures of naked girls. It sounds like a good idea to some people, but in practice, it won’t fly. Leftists would demand that the Right’s voices be excluded, and if they failed they would boycott. Either way, one side would be out. If the media outlet was located in a leftie stronghold the SJW’s would protest/riot to shut them down.

      • 49erDweet says:

        Nowadays, yes. In ancient times I remember Walter Kronkite clearly and fairly reporting on both sides of an issue. Made me think. Today’s media stars make me puke.

      • 49erDweet says:

        But even Cronkite couldn’t resist it and eventually started opinionating. His later years were a mess, IMO. SMH.

  11. SHV says:

    FWIW for a Saturday Open Thread:

    “How institutions gaslight whistleblowers — and what can be done”

    https://retractionwatch.com/2018/07/30/how-institutions-gaslight-whistleblowers-and-what-can-be-done/#more-69267
    ******
    Another example of the insidious, vindictive, power hungry DemSoc Administrative State. After reading this, I realized that this happened to a former colleague of Al, the wife. Her situation is pure Kafka. Her former associate has finally gotten a job after 2+ years, maybe.

  12. Myiq2xu™ says:

    I had to take Mom to her church for some food giveaway. Traffic was heavy going there but coming back it was insane. Not only did I hit every red light but there was an army of bad drivers out there alternately trying to kill me and piss me off. At least 6 times on this one trip people pulled out, changed lanes, or tried to make a U-turn right in front of me, causing me to yell profanities and make obscene gestures.
    1st prize goes to the woman on a bike who tried to cross the intersection against the light on the wrong side of the road and then upon realizing the error of her ways decided to stop in front of me just as my light turned green.

    These are the kind of people who get quoted in a police report saying, “I don’t know why he was shooting at me. I dindoo nuthin.”

    • DandyTIger says:

      Try being on a many mile narrow country road with a bike rider going a leisurely 5 miles/hour without a care in the world, and no interest in pulling over to let traffic go by. I often wonder, would anyone find out if I run them over, and would anyone care.

      • mothy2017 says:

        I hate the guys (its almost always men over 30) who put their bikes on the front of the bus during rush hour. They take their good ole time. Most roads are too narrow so traffic stops and cars idle while the bohemians who need a shower force everyone to check their watches. What kind of job do you go to where you can arrive sweaty and unkempt. Pittsburgh pushes the bike commute. Its hilly, rains and late December until at least the end of February its to cold and snowy. But heh lets add bike lanes to an already congested downtown.

        • blowme0bama says:

          Yeah, we’ve got a stealth Dem Mayor and one of the first things the fuck did was take away one of my lanes on the ride home from the office and give it to the bikers. I’m sure there was some government grant money involved in doing this shit and that he or a friend/family member/donor pocketed it.

          • mothy2017 says:

            What happens if a journalist ever does real work and looks at the insane financial abuse. Allegheney County of which Pittsburgh is the seat charges a 7% booze tax to fund buses. Where is that money going. 7% of every drink goes to buses. I had a small bar. There was no bus service. Thousands a month. Multiply it times every drink had in an entire county. No way it makes any sense. Not that much money. Are current taxpayers/consumers being held liable for unfunded pensions? Is that legal? Can you charge a very specific tax to fund a public need if the public need is a quasi public institution simply making taxpayer fund very bad decisions?.
            Someone upthread or backthread commented about solid journalism being local. Can you tell me why 7% should be charged on every drink. Whole county. Most places in the county have almost no bus service. Seniors and disabled get reduced fare or free. Technically all that is covered by PA Lottery. Students at all the city universities get free passes. I doubt very few non commuters use I think its 500 a semester. They play with money. Where is all that money going? I think thatvis journalism because it would lead to corruption. I think it would prove similar to Sander’s ad buying. People made millions even after it seemed he was not going to win. Media companies got 10% of ads placed. Look at who Bernie used to place ads. 10% to place an ad. That was paid by donors. I just want any journalist from any news to follow the money.

          • blowme0bama says:

            It’s the same everywhere. In your case, a bunch of Transportation Administration employees on the payroll sitting around doing nothing – friends / family of your politicians. Perpetual “studies” by outside “consultants” comprised of the same.

            Tax dollars are the spoils divvied up amongst the politicians’ buddies.

            It’s ALWAYS the same, and it doesn’t matter which party is in office.

        • 49erDweet says:

          Sorry to mention it but in addition to great year-round good weather my area also has really good local bus service.

      • Jadzia says:

        My six-year-old came thisclose to getting squished numerous times while we were in Amsterdam. Those bicyclists will run you the fuck down–they don’t care!

    • 49erDweet says:

      Those of the kinds of people referred to in police reports as “Hit – but left standing”.

  13. DandyTIger says:

  14. mothy2017 says:

    I think the biggest problem with the news is what they choose not to report. During ocuckas reign of terror you heard little about the serious crimes happening here and in Europe regarding terrorism. Or things like Rotterdam. Nary a peep. They decided the New Year’s Eve sexual assualts weren’t news. Didn’t fit their storyline. I think it was Kerry who said the media needed to not report every incidence. Huh?

  15. Cisco says:

    So I’m watching the Trump rally in Ohio with the live stream provide by RSBNTV.
    The protesters/disrupters, all about 50 are like across the streets rue literally frothing at the mouth chanting something that seemly revolves around the f-bomb.🙄

    • Dora says:

      It’s on already? Guess I’ll get over to RSBN and watch some of it myself.

      Tonight it will be carried by FOX. And probably C-SPAN too.

      • Cisco says:

        Their just interviewing the crowd outside, I believe 6:30 is the actual start.
        I expect the Pledge and and a opening prayer.
        Then other speakers.
        But the interviews with the supporters outside in line are always interesting.

  16. Dora says:

  17. swanspirit says:

    The framers of the Constitution were particularly sensitive to censorship. Benjamin Franklin’s own brother James was jailed for criticizing the authorities in colonial Pennsylvania.

    It’s fine to criticize, something else to libel; and another thing altogether to want to shut down anyone who disagrees with you; which is what the left wants to do. That is fascism. They don’t want debate, or the free flow of information. They want suppression, and control.

    For the left, whatever you call them, vile progs , dims, whatever, it always comes down to control. Control of the “rights” They can have freedom of speech, press, and assembly, but YOU cannot, if you disagree with them.

    • mothy2017 says:

      John Kerrey said “the press” should not report terrorism. hillary clinton said at the UN people that disparaged some religion should be publicly shamed and run out of town?????? The UN yearly advocates for a very one sided blashphemy law. Libs find that okay. The other two big religions have a commandment that says — something about taking the name of the Lord thy God in vain. Okay lets decapitate or stone every Hollywood freak who ever said God damn.

      • mothy2017 says:

        “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain” (KJV; also “You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God” (NRSV) and variants) is one of the Ten Commandments.

        It is a prohibition of blasphemy, specifically, the misuse or “taking in vain” of the name of the God of Israel, or using His name to commit evil. Exodus 20:7 reads:

      • swanspirit says:

        That is a perfect example, of control. And they can forgive their own for transgressions, but no one else. Fucking fascists.

    • blowme0bama says:

      THEY were the ones who started this #FakeNews business in an effort to justify shutting down access to information they didn’t want people to see. Hilarity ensued.

  18. Venus E. Lee says:

  19. Venus E. Lee says:

  20. Dora says:

    It’s being shown on Trump TV. Naturally. 🙂

  21. Dora says:

  22. Venus E. Lee says:

    MSM will not show you this:

  23. blowme0bama says:

    Holy SHIT
    That will get some attention

  24. lyn says:

    Season 5 of Endeavour is full SJW. Sigh.

  25. mothy2017 says:

    Denise
    Your man was on the Judge tonight. He is getting better at TV all the time. Not really buying his gay thing anymore though. Really aubergine button down? Joking.

  26. DeniseVB says:

    Just the other day I mentioned Scott’s Trumpmobile……..

    • mothy2017 says:

      I wonder where he was. Philthy is covered in CCTV.

      • DeniseVB says:

        According to his timeline, he was there for a Support the Police event, so near their headquarters? So yeah, you’d think there would be some security cameras around 🙂 I’m surprised this hasn’t happened before, he goes to DC and Richmond a lot for rallies and those aren’t the friendliest Trump cities. Also, no witnesses? In this era of everyone has a camera phone, you’d think the noise would have attracted attention? Not to mention, thugs like to video themselves “protecting us from Nazis”. It’s really so strange.

  27. Propertius says:

    “They were so enamored by the printing press because it was the smartphone of the 18th Century. ”
    More like the steam engine of the 18th Century, since it had been around for 350 years at that point..

    Maybe our early Presidents didn’t have to deal with press conferences, but they did have to deal with random citizens walking into their home and haranguing them. That practice didn’t end until the Civil War. Here’s Washington’s account of his very first day in office:

    “I was unable to attend to any business whatsoever; for Gentlemen, consulting their own convenience rather than mine, were calling from the time I rose for breakfast –often before– until I sat down to dinner.”

    I tsuspect he would have infinitely preferred a press conference.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      Yeah, but they didn’t get really popular until someone figured out how to make decent printing paper. Gutie Guttenberg used vellum to make Bibles.

      • Lulu says:

        Books were expensive until newsprint was “discovered” then paperback books could be printed along with newspapers. My grandmother started a “program” for the ship my uncle (17 year old in 1942) was on because he was begging her for reading material. When he would finish a book it was passed on. My uncle then started sending her “requests” not just for himself but for others of all kinds, levels, subjects of “books” and yes some of them were pulp fiction types which my grandmother had zero problem with. Everyone was donating books to her “for the boys” on the ships after she asked people for their used books. It took over their house! She even asked for comic books to be donated as well as history, academic books, classics, everything really. Anyway the ship got so many. books it was too heavy so they passed them on to other ships for a libraries. And other Navy moms (and dads) started doing it too. My grandfather collected science books and journals, agriculture books, mechanics manuals for cars and tractors, travel books, Hardy Boys (they were at all reading levels remember), Westerns and True Crime pot boilers, etc.

        Anyway grandmother got a little ceremony with an admiral thanking her for improving morale and literacy in the Navy. And my uncle became an agriculture professor and rancher after the war.

  28. Myiq2xu™ says:

  29. Myiq2xu™ says:

    Trump should order the Space Force to nuke Portapottyland

  30. Myiq2xu™ says:

    It was only a matter of time before someone used a commercial drone to commit an assassination.

  31. Dora says:

    After all these days, the fires are still expanding. One thing I’m sure of – they are not setting themselves!

    —-

    Northern California wildfires still expanding
    http://news.trust.org/item/20180805010144-b8xc5

  32. Dora says:

    Oh no! Just when you think these people are gone from the spotlight, they spring back again.

  33. Dora says:

    I find this very sad. Goodness, Hubby still has family over there, though they be second and third cousins etc.

    Don’t let them blame an anti-immigrant attitude among Americans. That’s not true. The true reason for this problem is the 1965 Immigration Act. That act pushed by Ted Kennedy just about ended European migration and led to the mess we are in!

    I could cry!

    ==============

    After 250 years the last of the Irish-born have come to US

    Ordinary but extraordinary people’s lives of the last generation of Irish to move to America chronicled as the “Golden Door” has been closed and immigration is no longer an option.

    https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/irish-immigrants-america-ended

  34. Myiq2xu™ says:

    This is the reaction I received after trying to sensitively discuss how a man jumped into the cab I was in, tried to kiss me and, when I pushed him away, pushed me to the floor of the cab, took his penis out and forced it in my mouth.

    Something about her story isn’t right. Like – where was the cab driver?

    I also take issue with the idea that if I don’t believe a woman’s story about being raped then I am a bad person. I don’t choose whether to believe her or not, Either I believe her or I don’t. It is not my fault if she tells the truth badly, or if she omits key details.

    If you are the victim of a serious crime (other than murder) you have a duty as a citizen to report it as soon as reasonably possible. You also have a duty to preserve evidence.

    (If you are a murder victim, just chill. You don’t have to do anything.)

    • Lulu says:

      I’m to the point that I don’t believe most of the ones who go public. I have known some women who were raped and they just happened to be very, very private about it and the cops went after their rapists. Not all of course, but most public decryers now seem to have another agenda. And no one should be automatically believed about anything. No one “owes” you squat except to find and punish your rapist if the cops can.

  35. Dora says:

    The pictures are horrible!

    ====

    Homeowner fights to save his property by dousing the flames with water as wildfires in northern California expand to two-thirds the size of LA

    A pair of fast-growing wildfires in northern California expanded to more than two-thirds the size of sprawling Los Angeles, becoming the sixth-largest blaze in state history.

    Eerie photographs show an orange glow hovering over a relentless blaze in Clearlake Oaks, the latest town to fall victim to the Ranch fire.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6027663/Northern-California-wildfires-expanding.html

  36. Lulu says:

    Back in the 70’s I was hired as an interviewer (part-time and I had been trained by the feds) as an interviewer for a study of prison inmates and their tattoos. It was a health problem and they suspected a mental health issue also. A photographer took photos of their appalling tats and then I interviewed them on why, what did they stand for, etc. It was a study funded by the state and done by a raft of psychologists/sociologists/criminoligists in a couple of universities and covered women/men/first offenders to geriatrics. Some had expensive professional tats from pre-incarceration to the worst prison mess you ever saw. At this time it was a rarity except among criminals it seemed.

    The general conclusion was they are crazy. A lot of self-harm, self-loathing, mental illness, subcultures of the same, alienation from society, etc and a lot of lack of impluse control and dumb. http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2018/08/excessive-tattoos-and-mental-health.html This at least semi-famous tattooed guy killed himself. Why does popular culture celebrate this freakish disfigurement ? I’m not talking about a USMC tat from bootcamp or a heart on a an ankle, which in my opinion are not healthy choices either, but heavy comic book looking disfigurement of one’s own body. Of course I see a flashing “mental health alert” flashing when I see a tatted up person. It is so common I don’t react but I do worry about them. If the famous tattooed man kills himself maybe this will be looked at again as a sign of disfunction and illness as it was in the prison sub-culture of the 70’s that has spread to the current creepy anything goes and self destructive culture encouraged today. People are repelled by it, criticized for not being tolerant or cool (except me who gives them the rundown on mental health/prison study which shuts them down fast) and it is mainstreamed to kids as normal. it isn’t. It is a symptom.

    • DeniseVB says:

      MS-13 ? Those are really creepy tats. Personally, I’d never get one, though my dd has a “sleeve”, but I know she’s crazy 😉 We were walking on the Coney Island boardwalk and some guy from Ink magazine walks up to her and asks if he could photograph her arm because it was “so beautiful”. I joked, for an article Freaks of Coney Island? She was not amused. While the “art” is mainstream now, that is, beyond prison and biker culture, it’s only been in the past decade our area legalized the first tatoo parlors. Now they’re in just about every strip mall.

      • Lulu says:

        Tattoo parlors are all over the place here. But my kids, niece and nephews (even in-law ones), dare NOT get one or else! And they are some arty-farty types too. I really think they kind of like me removing that pressure from them by their social milieu especially my artist nephew in Houston. And saying “hello you beautiful boy” when I see him.

    • Lulu says:

      Althouse covers this today. But with NYT “Style” section on face tattoos. https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-nyt-runs-style-piece-face-tattoos.html
      Her comment “The hooray-for-face-tattoos Style piece must have been written before the obituary, but it was published after it, and there was no acknowledgment of the troubled mind that might lie underneath the tattooed face. It was so important to appear hip. I’d connect this to the hiring and keeping of the opinion writer who’d published fuck-white-people tweets. The desperate, stumbling pursuit of coolness by a stodgy old institution. Grim!”
      The NYT is disgusting. They chase “cool” and edgy with no regard to the poor souls who are harmed by making themselves basically freaks and I include the racist, acting out “child” they hired as an editorialist. All dangerous and harmful behaviors are rationalized to fill their shit paper with evermore outré maladapted garbage.

  37. DeniseVB says:

    Terrence is also a victim of making fun of (Miss Ling Ling) Jeong.

    • Anthony says:

      I saw that live, and choked on my diet coke when that came out of his mouth. Producers in Jesse’s ear made him hustle Terrence off the air after that. I thought it was hilarious

      • Lulu says:

        And it is funny because everyone knew exactly what he is talking about. A boy who grew up with my kids (Cambodia) had a whole comedy routine on his crazy mother (who he loved dearly) but CRA-ZEE. His other routine was on running liquor stores which is how they made so much money! His mother in the liquor store was comedy gold.

        • Anthony says:

          Here’s the video. He’s a riot, and he’s NOT backing down!

  38. DeniseVB says:

    True.

    • Lulu says:

      Trump gets energy from these rallies (assemblies protected under the First Amendment! Hill and Bronco got energy from their fancy donor parties shit-talking the public.

  39. Venus E. Lee says:

    • Anthony says:

      Look at his eyes. Dead eyes. The wheel is still turning, but the hamster is dead and stiff on the bottom of the cage lmao

  40. Anonymous says:

    CNN abuses their privilege.

  41. SHV says:

    Maybe Chicago is getting back to form, this year has been falling behind (~95 KIAs) 2016 and 2017:

    2:00p Shootapalooza tally: 8 killed, 54 wounded (Sunday 2:00p)

    Shootapalooza 2017: 4 killed, 30 wounded
    Shootapalooza 2016: 10 killed, 42 wounded
    Shootapalooza 2015: 3 killed, 44 wounded
    Shootapalooza 2014: 1 killed, 28 wounded

    https://heyjackass.com/

    60+ killed in July, 1 arrest. The politicians promised to end disproportionate arrest and incarceration and they are keeping that promise.

  42. Dora says:

    Oh wow!

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