White Nationalism: Big Threat Or Boogeyman?

Tiki Torch Nazis in Charlottesville, 2017

We hear about white nationalists a lot, but we don’t hear a lot about white nationalists. Who are they? How many of them are there? What do they want?

Some people say that white nationalism is the biggest threat facing our country today. I’m more inclined to believe that white nationalism is an overblown media invention.

USA Today:

President Donald Trump condemned white nationalism Monday and vowed that the nation would respond with “urgent resolve” to a weekend of mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio.

But in remarks at the White House, Trump offered few specifics on legislative and policy steps he would pursue.

“In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated,” Trump said. “Hate has no place in America.”

Trump has faced a barrage of criticism for divisive tweets and statements in recent days aimed at black Democratic lawmakers and also the majority-black city of Baltimore, which he described as “rodent infested.” Since the early days of his campaign, Trump has used words such as “invasion” to describe immigration.

The president has also faced pressure throughout much of his first years in office to condemn white nationalism, which has been on the rise. In 2017, Trump was widely criticized for saying there were “fine people on both sides” of a deadly white nationalists’ rally in Charlottesville, Va.

As you can see, USA Today is not the least bit biased. And that last sentence is just a smidgen incorrect. In the legal profession, we would call it a “lie.”

Here is NeverTrumper Soy Boy Seth Mandel:

Trump must name and condemn the evil of white nationalism

You could call the killer who shot up a Walmart in El Paso evil, a madman, or a lone wolf, if you like. But it would be an intolerable omission if we did not also call him a white nationalist terrorist. This ideology is a growing sickness in America, and President Trump has a duty to thoroughly and roundly denounce it.

Trump ought to use the bully pulpit to become a leading crusader against white nationalism and racism. These mindsets are immoral and they threaten everything that makes America great. Some conservatives and Republicans have hesitated to acknowledge that this a growing scourge, but after El Paso any such reluctance is unacceptable.

The shooter is a white man from Dallas who traveled to El Paso so he could murder as many “Mexicans” as possible. He targeted Mexicans and Mexican-Americans because he held a vision of America as a white nation.

Is that last paragraph correct? I dunno, I have seen and heard conflicting reports. I could be true, but I haven’t seen any official confirmation. But I am pretty sure that no matter what Trump says (or doesn’t say) the haters will find fault with it.

Following a white nationalist march in Charlottesville in 2017, a man drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters, trying to kill as many as possible. He injured many and murdered Heather Heyer. Trump famously and shamefully equivocated, refusing to name and condemn the evil behind this act of vehicular terrorism and instead mouthing vague words about “both sides.”

Whoops, there it is – the Lie That Won’t Die.

A majority of domestic terrorism cases are motivated by white supremacism, according to Christopher Wray, the man Trump has put in charge of the FBI. So why hasn’t Trump spoken out against our leading source of domestic terrorism?

I’m not too sure about this assertion. I would have gone with Antifa. What does Director Wray base his statement on? FBI data depends heavily on how it is classified at the source, which is local law enforcement. How do they define domestic terrorism? How do they determine the motivation of a terrorist? I don’t recall hearing anything about recent terrorist attacks. How many cases are we talking about?

What is white nationalism? You can find stuff that says white nationalist believe this or believe that, but they never have an actual white nationalist explaining their ideology. And whenever they do show a white nationalist is always the same one or two people. Richard Spencer is their favorite white nationalist, but all they ever let him do is give an opinion on something in the news.

The news media is curiously incurious about white nationalism. One theory goes that if the media reports on them it just gives them publicity and helps them recruit new followers. I’m more inclined to the theory that knowledge is power and sunlight is the best disinfectant. We beat these fuckers before when they had numbers, money, and political power. One of the ways we beat them was we exposed them for what they were.

If these guys are a threat we need to expose them. Who are they? Let’s name ’em and shame ’em. We can do that while still respecting the privacy rights of individuals. And who’s who? What groups, if any, are white nationalist? Some people claim that the Proud Boys are white nationalists, but the Proud Boys say they’re not. What about Patriot Prayer, the group that keeps clashing with Antifa in Portland? Is the “alt-right” the same as white nationalism or is there a difference?

If we look at all the alleged white nationalist mass shooters, is there any connection between them? My understanding is that these killers are all lone wolves. But if they were all connected to the same group or person that would be an important thing to know. It would make a huge difference in how we move forward in fighting the mass shooter problem.

Can a bunch of lone wolves acting independently be classified as terrorists? We generally think of terrorism as a team sport.

Last but not least we have the Constitutional issue. It is not illegal to be a racist. Should our government be allowed to suppress an ideology, no matter how odious, just because some of its adherents commit crimes?

It seems to me that the first thing we need to do is find out who and what we are dealing with. Because everything I have seen so far indicates that white nationalism is a few disorganized broke-dick losers with no financial or political support. They can’t even gather in public without police protection. I have yet to see anything to convince me that they are anything but a media creation designed to use against Donald Trump.

That doesn’t mean that they can’t cause any harm. Oswald was a lone-nut and he changed the course of American history. Are white nationalists a retail threat here and there or a wholesale threat to the nation as a whole? Let’s find out.

And while we’re at it, let’s investigate Antifa too.

Are these guys Antifas or white nationalists?

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72 Responses to White Nationalism: Big Threat Or Boogeyman?

  1. Woke Lola says:

    That video game comment has captured Twitter. Trump knows what he’s doing. This guy, however…

  2. DeniseVB says:

    I like Dinesh’s idea 🙂

  3. DeniseVB says:

    PJW created Summit News. Nice article on the Presler clean up campaign.

  4. DeniseVB says:

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

  5. DeniseVB says:

    LOL !

  6. taw46 says:

    He has finally returned.

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  7. taw46 says:

    myiq, you have had some excellent posts these past few days. I think your mom inspires you. 😉
    And I have never met a “white nationalist”. I go with a media creation used to attack PT. I’m sure they are out there, but not the great threat the media portrays them to be to our country. Besides, a great many of these shooters turn out to be from the left. And the media never talks about that.

    • lyn says:

      You are right, taw46! The media created the monsters, and we see the media for what they are.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      Back when I used to post a lot more often I was pissed off all the time. I’m much better now.

      Serenity now. Serenity now. Serenity now.

    • Constance says:

      I was just thinking that Myiq was putting out one inspired post after the next lately. I figured it was due to not being in constant worry about what his Mom was up to. That is so draining. I remember a 6 month period when I was trying to get the car away from my Mom and I was finding her all over the city. She would just confidently drive away from the house, forget where she was going and wind up lost. She couldn’t figure out the cell phone. I think I aged 20 years in those 6 months. My siblings thought she was cute and spunky but wouldn’t go find her or support taking the car.

      • taw46 says:

        When I had to take my mother’s car away, it was awful. I heard about it for a year, until she finally forgot all about driving. And you are right, it stresses and ages you having to worry about them. At the same time it made me so sad, because she had always been such an independent woman. Awful to lose that.

        • Myiq2xu™ says:

          Mom didn’t want to give up her keys and I didn’t want to take them because that meant I was gonna be Hoke to her Miss Daisy. Then she totaled a car and there was no choice. I’m just glad no one was hurt.

    • somebody says:

      I kind of, sort of met one. I saw a sign for property for sale by a dirt road so I turned and followed a narrow winding path looking for the property that was for sale. At the end of the path I was met by a man with a gun. A large bald man with a swastika tattooed on his forehead. He pointed the gun right at me and yelled “Back up now!”. I can’t back a car for shit, I begged him to let me turn around, he started counting down 3, 2,……I punched the gas in reverse, my kids and I screaming the entire time. I scratched the shit out of my car, scraping it on trees backing down that road probably only 1 to 1.5 miles, but it felt like 100. Backed my ads right onto the highway, thank God there wasn’t a car whizzing by.

      Since that day, I’ve never followed a property for sale sign, never will again. I’ve also never, ever seen that man around town, but I know where his dumpy house is down by the river 🙄

  8. taw46 says:

    Twitter dropped me as a follower, had to re-follow. Also, seriously, is Robert Francis on drugs?

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      The expression is “Queer as a $3 bill” but that was from before queer meant gay.

      • Mothy67 says:

        When I was knee high to a grasshopper I heard “queer as a two dollar bill” I always thought it meant gay. Then the two dollar bill came out and it seemed to still apply even more. Yeah there were 2 dollar bills but a lot more ones. Never heard 3 dollar bill.

  9. Myiq2xu™ says:

    From the last thread:

    OMG.

    Mom is going crazy and she is trying to take me with her.

    Mom volunteered to work at the Vacation Bible School at her church this week. It starts at 6pm tonight. I first hear about it this morning. Then about an hour ago she said she wanted to go to the church early to help set up. A few minutes ago she said she was ready to go. I told her it was too early, and maybe in an hour I would take her. She said she was going to wait in the car. And that is where she is right now.

    She is sitting in the car in the garage. It is hotter than hell today. VBS doesn’t start for 4 hours. I don’t even know if there is anybody at the church this early.

    She has done this before. I tried locking the car but last time she got a chair and sat next to the car.

    FML

    UPDATE:

    Every so often Mom came inside to ask if I was ready to go yet. It was 3:20 when I finally gave in and took her. We get there and the place is deserted. She got out and tried the doors but they were locked. She knocked, no answer.

    She was going to sit on a bench and wait! I told to get back in the car and I took her with me to Walmart. We got back to the church at 4:30. Still deserted. Finally someone showed up at 4:50
    I thought I had a free day today. Now I am waiting to go pick her up at 9pm. VBS runs M-Th, so I get to do this 3 more times.

    I need a vacation.

    • lateblum says:

      At some point your mother may not remember how good you were to her. But we will. And I’ll hold you up to my own son as a role model for what son’s do for their mothers when they get old.
      Thank you for being a really good son. 💕

      • Myiq2xu™ says:

        I don’t feel like a good son. She gets me so frustrated sometimes I would pull my hair out if I had any. My sister keeps telling me “It’s the disease.”

        My sister is in Hawaii so I’m on my own this week.

        Luckily I can come here and vent. I should have named this place “Group Therapy Blog”

        • lateblum says:

          It’s too bad you can’t have one of the volunteers pick your mom up before VBS so that she has to wait for that person. Then you could pick her up to bring her back home at the end of the day. But it is only through Thursday? I hope you can manage to get through the week without losing all your hair if you can’t swing a deal with one of her church mates.

        • taw46 says:

          That is normal, to be frustrated. Most of the time I was calm and patient, other times not so nice. Then I would feel bad because I lost my temper with my mother that I loved dearly. And then add to that the hopeless feeling that you get watching someone slip away from you little by little. We do the best we can. Come here and vent anytime you want.

        • Mt.Laurel says:

          It is very normal to be overwhelmed and frustrated with an elderly parent coping with all the problems that come with age. Your mother is also likely frustrated , anxious and a bit scared at the changes she senses within herself. I think if you were not un-nerved, that would be unusual.

          Many of us have been down this road and yes you often feel you are not doing enough and feel helpless. Never hesitate to check in here with others who have experienced this type of situation. To regain perspective and try for a more even keel. we do the best we can and hope we can give loved ones as fruitful a life as possible as long.

          My mother always kept a copy of the serenity prayer by her side. It is very apropos under such circumstances.

          You are indeed a good son.

        • Miranda says:

          Caregiving is extremely hard. You may not feel like it, but you are being a good son and a good man. Anger/frustratoin is normal.

    • 1539days says:

      How early will you leave next time?

      • Myiq2xu™ says:

        When I picked her up she said she didn’t have to be there until 5:30 tomorrow. It’s a 20-minute drive. I’m guessing she’ll start bugging me to go around 4:30.

    • Constance says:

      You have my complete sympathy. I wish I could do something that would actually help you out. At least you know where she is.

      • Myiq2xu™ says:

        Thank you but I’m okay, I just need to vent sometimes. I wasn’t exactly busy today.

        Some of the stuff she does that bugs me is really petty, but any marriage counselor will tell you that when people are fighting over not putting the cap back on the toothpaste tube it isn’t really about the toothpaste.

        I got to be irresponsible for a long time. Now I’m like a single guy who just became the sole parent of a two-year-old. The lifestyle change alone is stressful.

    • votermom says:

      change the clock next time?

  10. votermom says:

    I’m having one of my “too tired to go to sleep, much less do the dishes” evenings.

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  13. lyn says:

    Buttrock weighs in with his magical farts.

    • Mothy67 says:

      Unless you pay me seven hundred trillion billion dollars per word I am never of my own volition reading or listening to anything puked by that skid mark (not referring to cars but underwear) again in my life.

      • lyn says:

        LOL. I really hate Obama’s guts now after the Democrat shit show. P.S. I skimmed Obama’s BS.

        • Mothy67 says:

          I was so close to persuading my college bff to try and not hate Trump. She had lived in Baltimore and her husband who is not her sibling had filed to run for Mosley’s seat. He’s a Charm City native and love’s his hometown. He worked at the Hague and NY Assistant D.A.. No chance as a straight white man. She knows how bad it is there. Public school was not even an option. Three kids private. I had her at least letting go of orange man bad a wee bit. You can’t blame Baltimore on Donald. So close and then the shootings. Now all Rethugs are white supremacist. Sucks.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      • lyn says:

        Glen Woodfin @GlenWoodfin Replying to @BarackObama

        You had 8 years, yet you couldn’t stand up? You picked sides after every act of violence. You jumped to conclusions & picked the wrong side creating more violence & riots. Then, your Attorney General called for blood in the street. [Video]

        • lyn says:

          Brackx @_ackx_ 46m46 minutes ago Replying to @BarackObama

          Average # of deaths per day in US:

          Abortion: 1,778
          Heart disease: 1,773
          Cancer: 1,641
          Medical error: 685
          Accidents: 401
          Stroke: 401
          Alzheimer’s: 332
          Diabetes: 228
          Flu: 150
          Suicide: 128
          Opioids: 115
          Drunk driving: 28
          Underage drinking: 11
          Teen texting-and-driving: 8
          All Rifles: 1

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      I ran out of room before I could add “So STFU and GFYS you JEF.

      • lyn says:

        😀

        Brunie @MyPugGrumble
        Replying to @BarackObama

        2 suggestions. You can release all of your sealed records any day now. You can admit you’re involved in the attempted coup of the @POTUS.
        8:15 PM – 5 Aug 2019

  14. Mothy67 says:

    Again I think sports is the best way to keep kids focused. Has to be real competition after say second grade. Some kids lack abilities and dread gym class. There are martial arts, dance, yoga, swim Think it’s about being in touch with yourself. Feeling your limits. When I was at Hunter College I took a course called Drama in Education. We worked with kids at Hunter Elementary which is one of the best public schools. There was a book we used called The Brian Way Method. I can’t find it anywhere. A bing search yields zero results. None. It’s premise was that we need to educate the entire child and restructure early education. Perhaps 5 year olds aren’t ready to sit still in rows. He incorporated dance, rhythm, drama. Lot’s of improv. We dealt with bullying and shame by having the kids create the stories. The bully bullied and then we’d flip the story and the bully would be bullied. Lots of discussion. How did you feel. 5 year old’s imaginations are so ripe. You can incorporate everything at that age. History, math, science. All science is a story. My one class in which I assisted was yuugely successful. Every kid was 100% proficient by the end. Granted it was an elite school and they were young. I think the scores coming out of Baltimore are alarming. Seniors can not read on a 5th grade level?!?!?!? Heroes are not Ben Carson but gangsta rap.

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    WTF?

  17. lyn says:

    thread

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  20. Dora says:

    OMG! The poor man must be terrified.

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