Deep Staters Give Inadmissible Hearsay Testimony, Democrats Spin It And Leak It

And all they have is a nothingburger the size of Mooch’s ass.

Politico:

President Donald Trump’s former top Russia aide Fiona Hill told House impeachment investigators on Monday that she had at least two meetings with a National Security Council lawyer about Rudy Giuliani’s efforts to convince Ukrainian officials to investigate the president’s political rivals, according to a person who was in the room for the testimony.

Hill told lawmakers and aides that then-national security adviser John Bolton, after learning of Giuliani’s efforts, told her to speak with lawyer John Eisenberg, the person said. Hill testified that she met with Eisenberg briefly on July 10, the same day she attended a meeting with Ukrainian officials at the White House. Hill said she had a longer meeting with Eisenberg on July 11, the person added.

Hill also told House impeachment investigators that Bolton told her, “I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up,” referring to the acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, whom Hill believed was involved in the discussions about Ukraine. Hill also said Bolton described Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney, as “a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up.”

The person, who was not authorized to speak publicly about Hill’s testimony, said Hill became passionate more than once about Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. She expressed concern that the United States was not doing enough to combat Russia’s aggression, and that it was opening the door for other countries to do the same, the person said.

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Hill’s testimony came as Democrats accelerate efforts to unearth the facts of Giuliani’s shadow diplomacy with top Ukrainian officials.

After nearly 10 hours behind closed doors, Democrats said Hill’s testimony before the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight committees was critical to their understanding of the extent to which Giuliani bypassed official U.S. government channels by pressuring Ukrainian officials to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden, Trump’s possible opponent in the 2020 presidential election.

Hill testified that Bolton said this and Bolton said that. Guess what? It’s all hearsay. Not only that, it proves nothing. She is not alleging that Bolton told her about anything illegal. Her gripes are all about policy disagreements. But guess what?

The President sets policy – especially foreign policy.

I’m not gonna get too deep in the weeds on this because they’ll be more breaking news soon, and we can only process so much so fast. Maybe that is their plan.

What we are seeing so far are witnesses who seem eager to testify, but don’t have much to offer. The Democrats are spinning it as hard as the can and they are leaking like Bonnie and Clyde after the police ambush. And they still have NOTHING. The former US Ambassador to Ukraine says Trump was pressuring people to fire her. Well, gee, you mean he told them to fire you earlier but they disobeyed his orders?

Last point – Just because Trump asks someone to investigate Biden that doesn’t mean he wants them to dig up (or makeup) stories about Hairplug Joe. Trump didn’t leak any of the dirt on Biden – it came out when the so-called “whistleblower” story was leaked to the media by Adam Schiff. Some of the stuff has been out there for months or years.

Why hasn’t any of this stuff been investigated already?


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153 Responses to Deep Staters Give Inadmissible Hearsay Testimony, Democrats Spin It And Leak It

  1. Myiq2xu™ says:

    It takes real chutzpah to declare the interviews must be done in secret to prevent witnesses from coordinating their stories then rush out of each hearing and leak to the media what the testimony was.

  2. Myiq2xu™ says:

  3. Myiq2xu™ says:

    • John Denney says:

      That opinion is too benign, attributing Deep State to just bureaucratic inertia.

      The Deep State is a malignant cancer, a vast network of unknown, unelected government officials who do not hold to fundamental American ideals. Others of their ilk infest the MSM and our educational system. What unites and leads them is their leftist ideology.

      How is it that all the Dem presidential candidates are leftists? Nearly 100 years ago the Soviets instigated leftist infiltration of American media, education, and unelected government positions. The infiltrators were very successful, have become powerful, and promote socialism and denigrate capitalism. College grads have mostly been indoctrinated and deceived and tend to support the hive of socialism. Yet few would join a socialist commune in the U.S., which provides the Liberty for them to do so. Rather, they would infringe on the Liberty and Property Rights of others, demanding they pay for socialist fantasies.

  4. helenk3 says:

    way off topic but I liked it
    a good way to be remembered with a laugh and a smile

    https://www.weaselzippers.us/435234-overnight-open-thread-dublin-mans-last-laugh-at-his-own-funeral-goes-viral/

  5. helenk3 says:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/schiff-says-public-has-no-right-observe-impeachment-inquiry-then-kicks-gop-lawmaker-out

    here goes my Irish temper

    who the F–k is this batshit crazy bufoon to decide what the public should observe? What I have observed is almost 3 years of dems having a neverending temper tantrum because their hand picked traitor lost an election. I have observed taxpayer money being wasted on this temper tantrum and no work being done for the taxpayer. I have observed them trying to undo over 200 years of history of this great country and turn it into a 3rd world shithole. Look at dem run cities as examples. I have observed them wanting and trying to get a class system under the guize of socialism. I have observed our education system being destroyed so they can malleable sheep to rule and take taxes from. I have observed them trying to destroy the US Constitution and take away the freedoms that paper gives the American people.I have observed the dems trying to replace US Citizens with illegal aliens and give illegals more rights then citizens. If an American citizen commits a crime do they get sanctuary? Don’t think unless they are a dem politician.

    I want to observe a clean sweep in the next election and every dem swept out of office

  6. foxyladi14 says:

    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

    “The Democrats are trashing this President, & in the process, trashing the U.S. Constitution. Frankly, the American People need to wake up to the reality that the Democrats are so drunk on power that they’re willing to destroy this Constitutional Republic.” @GrahamLedger @OANN

  7. lyn says:

  8. foxyladi14 says:

    Clinton agrees with POTUS. 😀

  9. helenk3 says:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/kurdish-syrian-turkish-ironies/

    victor davis hanson
    explains a lot of the Kurd- American situation

  10. taw46 says:

    Anyone heard from John Bolton today? Any comments from him?

  11. DeniseVB says:

    If you need a *Hillaryous* break……

  12. DeniseVB says:

    LOL, vote ! Currently 100% would drink drano 😀

  13. helenk3 says:

    I need this break.

  14. Cisco says:

    I “liberated” this from CTH.
    Morning chuckles for today.

  15. DeniseVB says:

    Snort !

  16. helenk3 says:

    in the you have to be kidding dept

  17. taw46 says:

  18. Dora says:

    Reminiscent of Communist and Nazi political cartoons from the 1930s.

  19. Mothy67 says:

    I don’t think our media betters are half as smart as they think they are. It is not 2008. A micheal or killary candidacy would be greeted with a less mannered internet than obama. The memes would be epic and endless. Remember the left always accuses the right of what they are guilty. They tried to paint Trump as a man unable to keep his cool under pressure or criticism. Was there security at the ready during the first R debate to usher him off the stage when he responded to being challenged by acting like Alec Baldwin? Is that an urban legend? He didn’t explode if true and he hasn’t in three plus long years. The butcher of Little Rock cannot claim the same grace under pressure. She is relatively easy to trigger.
    Mike does not have the fire in her belly to do battle with orange man bad. It would also shatter her life of luxury. Why risk being the greatest “get” alive in social circles to perhaps go into the dust bin.
    The media is also undermining the current crop by fantasizing about either.

    • Somebody says:

      Hillary has bitched, moaned and made excuses for three years. Who in their right mind wants THAT in the oval office. Is she going to bitch and moan about foreign leaders? About Congress? Nobody likes a sore loser and she epitomizes sore loser, her face in next to the term in the dictionary. Add to that the corruption that has swirled around her for decades plus the fact that she just isn’t likeable.

      Mooch run, I don’t think so. If she does exactly what are her qualifications? Sack races? “Fashion Icon”? Angry bitch? She barely practiced law and then went to a job created for her after hubby became senator, cronyism at its finest. So is she going to run for Barry’s third term with a wink and a nod? OK, who wants to return to a stagnant economy, leading from behind and constant race hustling?

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      Trump doesn’t even have the luxury of being to blow off steam or get sarcastic when there is no media around. Any offhand comment (like shithole countries) gets leaked within hours or minutes. In the old days if you wanted juicy insider gossip about a POTUS you had to wait years before the tattle-tale books started coming out. The news media knew that JFK had mistresses but they kept it a secret. Trump can’t even fart loud.

  20. Mothy67 says:

    Tulsi as VP? What do you think?

    • Somebody says:

      VP for whom? Biden? Hope she likes groping. Sanders? She isn’t commie enough. Warren? Maybe, but Liz needs help with minorities and I don’t think Tulsi helps too much with AA and Hispanics.

      • Mt.Laurel says:

        Actually, I think she is very commie/socialist. Just better at hiding it as she has picked up on the fact that it does not play well with in many areas of the country.

        She might be trying to sell herself as being able to deliver middle america. Or she has already been offered a deal. Help eliminate some of the other contestants and she gets rewarded with $$$$ and/or the appointment of her choice.

    • lyn says:

      Island Girl is the one to ask.

      • Island Girl says:

        Ha!! Read this while at work, I honestly think she has some good intentions, at least as far as smacking some of the other freaks around. She has an interesting background, I’d rather see her replace that hag crazy Maize.

    • Constance says:

      She would be perfect as VP. When male candidates say they want a woman VP they don’t mean an old broad with more brains and experience than they have, they mean a young woman who is still bang-able.

  21. Dora says:

  22. Woke Lola says:

    Wow, this Gina Rodriguez thing is dominating Twitter today and it’s putting all the intersectional leftists in quite a sour mood ahead of tonight’s debate. I had to look up who she was, and then I had to read the previous set of GroupThink on GR Chronicles just to understand what I should be offended by. They are doomed.

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      Sometimes white (and whiteish) Liberals get so full of themselves because they are woke and down with the struggle that they forget their place. And their place (on matters of race) is at the back of the bus and the end of the line.

  23. Myiq2xu™ says:

    Where’s Helen? She’ll love this:

    • helenk3 says:

      he might be the fool that cut the train from Chicago through Los Vegas to LA. The trip from LA to LV was very heavily traveled and the only way to drive was the traffic jam on the 15. Lost a lot of riders and money lost on that move. Could understand the cut of the long haul but not that part of the ride. Daddy rode the train from Delaware to DC a lot but did not know about jr.

    • DeniseVB says:

      My gawd that’s pathetic. I like to ride trains too, but Helen is definitely more qualified than either Hunter or I. 😛

      Amtrak is a liberal pet cause as they’re willing to fund it more than conservatives who want them to at least make an attempt to become self sufficient. I’m probably liberal in that sense to keep the ticket prices low and the trains running.

      I’m old enough to remember the interstate highways killng train travel. There were several railroad companies before Amtrak. Interstates were 4 lanes, now most are 6-8 lanes. If they only had the foresight to add railroad tracks instead of pavement over the years, we may have had some kickass competition in the different regions putting private RR companies back in business.

      • helenk3 says:

        I bet I spend more time on trains both on road trips riding with the engineer in the engine and just traveling than he ever did . Both on long haul and commuter service

  24. Propertius says:

    “It’s all hearsay.”

    Yes,it is. But then this is not a criminal trial.

    • swanspirit says:

      So, it’s ok with you, to base impeachment proceedings,which are kept secret, on hearsay? Based on rules which conveniently have just recently been changed?

      By people who have been attempting to impeach him, without any basis in fact since before he took the oath of office?

      Are your sinuses clogged, because something doesn’t pass the smell test.

    • Somebody says:

      It isn’t even that it is hearsay. There have been no crimes alleged, beyond obstruction of justice for not complying with strongly worded letters that the D’s say are subpoenas. EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, if the D’s don’t like it tough shit, take a vote. Invoke your powers to puncture EP, until then fuck off and it’s not obstruction.

      Going back to the whole whistleblower thing, beyond it being hearsay and inaccurate hearsay at that. The whole thing boils down to policy differences. Members of the NSC or CIA are NOT elected, foreign policy decisions rest with POTUS he was elected by the people. Congress doesn’t have oversight either, 3 co-equal branches.

      Think of it this way, many within the military and intelligence apparatus as well as many republicans were pissed over Obama’s lead from behind strategy. What if Trey Gowdy decided to hold closed impeachment meetings because some CIA or NSC staffer felt those policies were wrong headed and a danger to the nation? Or maybe they went to Congress over a phone call Obama had with Erdogan. They claimed he told Erdogan to use aid $$ to buy weapons for ISIS or he called Assad and said knock yourself out my red line is a faint pink….or what have you. Then the transcript shows no such thing.

      Gowdy got a new hairdo for his media interviews. Paul Ryan declared an impeachment inquiry but without a vote. It’s all closed door, no democrats are allowed to ask anything no cross examinations, no access to files, nothing. Obama wasn’t allowed to have his attorneys present

      I didn’t support Obama, but I would be upset with such a railroad job. Because when it comes down to it Obama was POTUS and those decisions are his to make. I didn’t like “leading from behind”, but that decision rested with Obama at that time. I didn’t like the Iran deal or the Paris climate accord, but Obama was POTUS he set foreign policy.

      What I would really be upset about though is the precedent. I’d be upset about what it was doing to the office of the Presidency. Just as I was mad as hell at the secret service over the WH security breaches during Obama’s time in office.

      Take off your hatred blinders, step back and really think about what this is doing to our country. Our founders didn’t want political impeachment, any sane rational American shouldn’t want it. Any decent person would at a minimum want a fair process, not this star chamber kangaroo court. If the democrats continue with this we will set forth on a path of perpetual impeachment, we can’t put the genie back in the bottle. Both sides will want their pound of flesh. No POTUS going forward will ever fully be able to trust their staff. Can’t you see how bad this is for our country? It has already done tremendous damage.

      By the by, I didn’t agree with Bill Clinton’s impeachment either but at least there were specified crimes and criminal codes violated. Both sides had equal time and powers too. Once again NAME the crime, policy differences are just that. You settle policy differences at the ballot box NOT via such an extreme measure as impeachment.

      • lyn says:

        The Democrats are doing their dancing coup for their low IQ voters.

        • Constance says:

          Once again let me state I admire the way Democrats provide entertainment and talking points and even social gathering protest demonstrations for their low IQ voters. There are a lot of low IQ voters, perhaps even a majority, and Republicans don’t even give them a second thought.

      • taw46 says:

        This. Exactly this.

      • jeffhas says:

        Don’t worry, when this comes back around, Dems and Rinos will get back to ‘normal decorum’ and not impeach future Presidents ‘over nothing’… because every President from now on will not be TRUMP… first, you’d have to find someone like TRUMP, and even if you did find someone, they’d have to make it through ‘the gauntlet’ of primary without cow-towing to the outrage machine… THEN to win the rigged general election where the media throws everything they got? – and let’s say they win, after TRUMP, who will serve in the new administration given how this administration has been treated?

        Face it, this was a once in a thousand year event that we got TRUMP, and with only 8 years, they will work to paper over his legacy to remind all other would-be TRUMPS that they will never get past GO. They designed ‘The Resistance’ as a way to hobble TRUMP and his legacy so no others would ever dare… and if they do dare, there are new more wicked ways to deal with it.

        Whatever we get out of the TRUMP presidency is a gift we will not ever see again in our lifetimes or those of our children and grandchildren. It is up to all of us to tell stories of the Legendary TRUMP, so that perhaps there is another Braveheart-like story to be heard, to help inspire general populations some 100’s of years from now.

        • taw46 says:

          Yes, they even told us during the campaign that they had to destroy Trump so no one of his kind would ever run again. (I can’t remember who said that, was it Axelrod?).

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      Impeachment proceedings use the federal rules of procedure and evidence.

      Hearsay: An out-of-court statement introduced in court to prove the truth of the matter asserted.

      The reason that hearsay is inadmissible is that it is inherently unreliable. It also makes it impossible to cross-examine the actual witness.

  25. Dora says:

    Trump in a landslide? This historically accurate model predicts exactly that

    President Donald Trump has a love/hate relationship with polls, surveys and predictions. He loves the ones that paint him in a positive light, and, of course, he hates all those “fake” ones that don’t.

    He’s going to absolutely adore this one.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-in-a-landslide-this-historically-accurate-model-predicts-exactly-that-2019-10-15

  26. Cisco says:

    Now if the USNA folds on this… well just fuck everything😡

    (Klown edited)

  27. Mothy67 says:

    Yeah baby
    Brat and company broke the 200 m free style record again.
    Tonight was the last home meet. We gave the coach a thank you gift. He and his wife are blessings for the kids. It’s volunteer. Too few people ,IMHO, pause to acknowledge the saints who work with monsters. Baby girl works hard and getting positive reinforcement is priceless. He told me pup is a joy to coach. She is always respectful, hard working, funny, and best of all she is extremely supportive of the lesser swimmers. I was beaming ear to ear. i could see it in her eyes how much it meant. I give so much credit to ballet at 3. She really learned to focus very young.

  28. Angie says:

    Savage!

  29. Cisco says:

    So now the fake news is “reporting” that the US nukes in Turkey are literally hostages of Turkey.
    Can you say “emergency destruct”?
    Sure you can.
    The US military, whatever branch, that has nukes in its inventory is prepared to destroy them with explosive devices specially designed to accomplish their destruction rendering them useless.
    How it’s done is probably still classified, so 🤫

  30. Mothy67 says:

    Wish I took better pics. No one could be there 13 years ago. She got stuck with an old gay dude. She has never been a victim.

  31. Angie says:

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  33. DeniseVB says:

    Nationals are going to the World Series. Now to wake up the Yankees 🙂

  34. Angie says:

    Right answer

  35. lyn says:

  36. Mothy67 says:

    I bought Shayla a digital copy of What’s Love Got to do with it the movie. I love Tina. Want my kid to think.
    Ugh. I buy it on amazon. Fucking my amazon account decides to play Dream a little dream of me. Ugh. Ugh!!!!!

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  39. Dora says:

    Hell of a way to hold an impeachment! Dems can’t do anything right these days!

    ====

    Pelosi holds off on vote to authorize Trump impeachment inquiry

    Members of leadership and vulnerable Democrats were opposed to taking the vote.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/15/house-democratic-leaders-impeachment-vote-047136

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  43. elliesmom says:

    I made up my mind a couple of months ago not to pay much attention to the Democrats’ primaries, including their debates. The DNC will select the candidate they want, and the media will help them make it happen. The whole process will just raise my blood pressure, and my emotional involvement is a huge waste of time. From the things posted on my FB page and Althouse’s morning line-up, I’m guessing there was a debate last night? The media has not yet thrown Biden under the bus, Liz Warren is adding a “metoo moment” to her resume, Mayor Pete is going to imprison gun owners, and Kamala wants to ban Trump from Twitter and imprison pharmaceutical executives? Was Bernie even there? I spent the evening on a video chat helping Crash with her homework. My contribution to “making the world a better place for my grandchildren”. 🙂

  44. Mothy67 says:

    I got invited to tomorrow nights invitational and awards ceremony. Wait what? I get to go? She has scads of trophies. I have a wall dedicated to her. Most stuff is participation. Her pitching stuff is important because not everyone can pitch. Swim is the same. This morning she said if you want to you can come tomorrow. Knock me over with a feather. I used to go to everything. She got annoyed. She is in something everyday. She needed some space. I try to respect her. I insist on the big things but I have never been asked before. Coach says she will be getting at least 5 medals. Baby girl is making these yuuuuge leaps emotionally. Truly becoming an adult making healthy decisions. I am in awe. They had a pizza party after last nights meet so I didn’t see her until after ten. I try and check my pride. I wantedto throw a parade. The full monty. Bagpipes, stilts, acrobats – but I know her so I said good job babe and left it at two words. She said was GG crying. GG is my mom her great grandmother. I said yep she said and you. I said perhaps. Then I said Pap. She smiled. No more words. Pap was my dad her great grandfather. He’s dead but Shay was the son he always wanted. He had 4 sons, but we moved a lot and were broke. Shaypup was 3 playing t-ball. She hated it with a passion. Her tears about quitting. Nope sunset you finish what you start. Don’t have to do it next year but you will finish what you started. My dad was in a hover around with an oxygen tank, but he coached the girls for years. She loves to pitch and she is good.
    Funny thing is I am, generally speaking, against gay parenting. Solidly against the test tube stuff. I wish more than anything my kid had parents that didn’t need psychiatric and criminal intervention. Her dad as we speak is squatting. Yep lives in an abandoned house. People thought I was unfair to fight him in court because homelessness is a wonderful way to grow up. I did not choose the pup. There simply was no one else at the time. Her mom was racking up frequent flyer miles at th psych ward and her dad had decided bologna on white bread with warm orange drink was his preferred meal ( jail food). Just me or the kid did the system. I have no regrets, but I was 40. My middle aged gsy friends want what I have. They think kids are accessories. Look at me I parent. Good God fuck off. Children are a nightmare. You never get to stop worrying for the rest of your life.
    I was in 7th Heaven, walking on air after the brat asked me to escort her and friends to an amusement park. I was meant to sit for six hours alone while being a chaperone. She thought I’d say no. Nope I took the gaggle ( to be fair I drank with the performers). I know her. She was so grateful. Concept of other is not lost on her. Sports. Real sports are key. They learn boundaries, limitations, goals, and respect. Shay works so hard. The swim clock does not lie. Funny I could not walk a few blocks at her age without turning blue due to my ticker and I am raising a jock????

  45. helenk3 says:

    I put my irish temper post on facebook in 3 groups. 1 group has 197 comments and 1.2K shares. I can’t believe it. Chad Prather, Jim Jordan, and Tucker Carlson are the groups. The Chad Prather one has the most shares.

  46. Dora says:

  47. DeniseVB says:

    Bernie would be a fool not to go third party (and suck off Dem votes) this time. No way he’ll be the nominee, the DNC would never allow that. Nah, I think he’ll stay around for another pay out not to challenge the Dems and endorse their annointed one again.

    • Mothy67 says:

      At least one of my proggies has cried uncle. She thinks Trump is going to win and the dims will be better off playing nice and hoping in doing as such Trump will nominate more moderate judges. She is 53, but the abortion thing sticks in her craw. I ask why it is her single issue. I get some sort of Handmaids tale tale. She is beyond child bearing. Does have one daughter. I am like you are upper upper middle class. Everyone around you is super progressive. You can talk to your daughter about plan b. Unwanted pregnancies should not be an issue in her circle. I don’t buy shd gives a shit about poor girls in the ghetto. I know her. Poor people are gross to her.

  48. lyn says:

    Catalonia is on fire. The independence leaders were sentenced to nine to 13 years.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50064106

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