PUMA vs NeverTrump

The smartest NeverTrumper

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

I know that some of y’all remember PUMA – “Party Unity My Ass.” PUMAs were a lot like NeverTrumpers.

Larry O’Connor has a few choice words for the Pious Protectors of Conservatism:

You were awful to us. You continue to be awful to us. Many of you actively worked to marginalize us and silence our voices in the media during and after the election.

And when you were proven to be monumentally wrong about everything in the 2016 Election, you never apologized to us or your audience and you never even acknowledged we got it right.

You supported the removal of the president twice over the past three years.

First, for being “Putin’s stooge.” And when your hand-picked Inspector Clouseau Robert Meuller found no evidence supporting your fever dreams, you never acknowledged you were wrong about the entire Russian-collusion hoax. Then, for the Ukraine impeachment fiasco, that was always doomed from the start after President Trump released the actual transcript of his phone call with President Zelensky.

Along the way, Never Trumpers, you revealed who you really are. When you could have supported Republican Devin Nunes, you chose to support Democratic hack Adam Schiff, and you’ve never acknowledged you were wrong when Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report confirmed Nunes’ veracity and Schiff’s duplicitousness.

Even worse, through it all… you’ve never paid a price.

You continue to be over-represented in media as if your perspective represents anything more than five percent of the electorate. Meanwhile, we, the conservatives who support this president and his conservative policies, have been marginalized by media outlets in deference to your consistently flawed opinions and predictions.

Your prominent, consistent existence in media fills the “Republican Chair” on the panel most left-leaning media outlets grudgingly make available. So viewers across America are left without any significant voice on most outlets that might articulate what they’re thinking and why they support the president.

This breeds anger, frustration and resentment.

Meanwhile, you continue to get it wrong and smugly look down on us as we articulate ideas and political positions embraced by 95% of Republicans.

We are not obsessed with you. We resent your continued prominent position that you did not earn through accuracy or hard work.

You continue to have a place at the table for one reason and one reason only: You satisfy the needs of left-leaning networks to further distort the center-right perspective in American politics and to give the false impression that the president faces serious opposition from fellow Republicans.

We were right. You were wrong.

Yeah, PUMAs were a lot like NeverTrumpers. Except PUMAs didn’t represent the party establishment. Not one single PUMA that I ever heard of got a lucrative job out of opposing Obama. No billionaires funded us. We didn’t declare that Obama and his supporters were not welcome in OUR party. We didn’t make any ultimatums. We didn’t try to sabotage or “resist” Obama’s administration.

We were not media darlings. We weren’t even worthy of mockery by the media. We were ignored.

We were right about Obama. We were wrong about Hillary, but we had Obama’s number from the beginning.

We were nothing like NeverTrumpers.

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153 Responses to PUMA vs NeverTrump

  1. helenk3 says:

    still am and always will be a proud PUMA.
    we researched, did our homework and saw backtrack for what he was and still is. We did this with no help from MSM. we did their job and got no thanks for doing so. The never trumpers helped no one and could be considered allies of the crooked dems. Both forgot who they were supposed to represent and work for, THE AMERICAN CITIZEN. You know that dumb bunny who works and pays your salaries. Both the dems and the never trumpers need to go home in Nov, they no longer are in this country’s best interest


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  6. votermom says:

    CDC update today
    say “now is the time to prepare”

    I think they mean it’s panic buying time

    • taw46 says:

      I saw that there is now a case in Florence and one in Sicily. Don’t know if that is confirmed yet.

      Yep on the panic buying in the US.

      • lateblum says:

        When I went to the pharmacy the other day, there was a woman wearing a face mask (medical) and who stood away from everyone else. I don’t know if she was sick, if she was being cautious around others who might be sick, or some other reason for the mask. But here, there are many – and often they are Asian – who wear masks throughout the winter. So it wasn’t as unusual as it might’ve been. Still, it stood out given the current medical climate.
        I had to go to immediate care last week. They had already a shortage of face masks and hand sanitizers. I don’t know if it was due to COVID19 or whether it was due to the flu, or just because it was late in the day. I’m not going to return just to learn if the shortage continues.

        • Constance says:

          The vast majority of face masks are made in China and they cut off shipments. I heard (I think on FOX business) that the government has made a huge buy from the remaining USA manufacturers to get them to ramp up production.

          • lateblum says:

            Yes. I was aware that we were getting those masks as well as prescription drugs from
            China. I may end up having to get the medication for my bc from a Canadian source which will be way more costly and which may not be paid for by my drug coverage plan. I’m lucky because I may be able to be without the meds. I only have 4more years to be on it.

      • Somebody says:

        Panic buy what? Food? You can’t panic buy anti-viral medications. Masks? They’ve been sold out for weeks.

        So what exactly are people panic buying?

        I have some suggestions of herbal items that have shown some effectiveness against viruses, but I always have a stock supply of those. Seriously what am I missing that I’m supposed to “panic buy”. I have enough medical supplies to run a small clinic including boxes of N-95 masks, gloves, antibiotics, various bandages, etc. I’m in hurricane country so I always have plastic sheeting, non-perishable food supplies, battery operated radios, bleach, flashlights, etc.

        So what are people panic buying and why?

        • Myiq2xu™ says:

          Ammunition. For the zombies.

        • Constance says:

          Rice and Beans and a small water purifier.

          • Somebody says:

            I suppose I could get some rice and beans. I already have two purifiers and a couple dozen life straws and a case of water purification tablets.

        • taw46 says:

          Food. Photos were all over twitter showing empty shelves in the grocery stores in northern Italy. People see those and panic, thinking there will be no food.

          • Somebody says:

            OK, I suppose but I already have enough food to survive the apocalypse. I have TWO pantries slap full and two deep freezers.

            Maybe I should hoard seeds 🤔

            From what I’m reading toilet paper is a big thing. I would assume tissues and paper towel too. I always have a good stock, but not enough for an apocalypse. I KNEW there was a reason I felt compelled to finish cleaning out the walk in closet in the spare room! I know where my toilet paper stash is going 😂😂😂

          • taw46 says:

            Haha, forgot about the tp. Must. Stock. Up.
            We’re pretty good with the food, we wouldn’t starve for a few weeks. We have no masks, there probably aren’t any to be found anywhere. Oh well.

          • DeniseVB says:

            I go to Walmart about every 2 or 3 months to stock up paper products like TP, kleenex, paper plates, towels…..I can buy them in bulk, a little cheaper that way, and fill up one of their giant grocery carts. Plus, it gives me more cart room for regular grocery shopping the rest of the time.

            I’m due to go this week, now I’m worried it’s going to look like I’m panic buying and scare a sh*tload of people. Or worse yet, the panic buyers have already been there and the shelves will be empty. LOL, I can’t win. #FirstWorldProblem 😀

        • DeniseVB says:

          All the things we should be stocking are the same for a hurricane. We gots the stuff too. Same stuff that gets you through rare blizzards up here. The preppers are even hawking their 20 year meal plans because shipping could be affected. 😀

        • mcnorman says:

          Always have bleach. Vodka can be subbed for any alcohol if you don’t get bored and drink it first. 🙂

    • 1539days says:

      I plan on getting it and getting better. Anyone planning not to get it is betting on a longshot.

  7. lyn says:

    This is Trump’s Katrina!

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  10. Myiq2xu™ says:

    Mom has a meeting at 10:30. That is 20 minutes from now. She woke me up three hours ago to tell me she was ready to go. She’s bugged me twice more since then.

    Just now I asked her is she was about ready to go. She told me she changed her clothes because I wouldn’t take her. Now she won’t change back.

    • Somebody says:

      Oh my, fun times, NOT! I feel for you, I know it’s frustrating at times. You have the patience of Job. I’ve taken care of multiple relatives, it’s tough and at times maddening. My sister is mostly taking care of my mom. Mom has become more challenging over the past 12-18 months prior to that she didn’t need any help. My sister has reached her wits end. I figured it was coming, having spent decades of my life caring for elderly relatives I have little sympathy, matters not, probably going to be dumped on me soon, real soon.

    • DeniseVB says:

      If the meeting place has people there, take her when she wants to go. Like if it’s a church or community center? I’ve always had anticipatory anxiety like that. If the airline wants me there 2 hours early, I want to be there 3 hours early. The DC train back to Norfolk is the last one of the day, so I’m there 5 hours early, I could rent a car and drive back in 3. 😀

    • elliesmom says:

      You need a whiteboard on the fridge. “It’s Tuesday, and we’re going to ______, and we’ll be leaving at ________. You need to ______ before we go.” Things never got that far with Elliesdad, but they did with his father. He lived in assisted living, and his aide filled out the board for him every morning. I just had to make sure she knew what days I was coming, and when he had appointments. It was a real anxiety reliever for him, and I never had to remind him or argue with him.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Not a bad idea for anybody ! We write things on a calendar, but forget to look at it. 😛

      • Constance says:

        Great idea! I hope I can remember that suggestion.

      • Somebody says:

        The doctors suggested a large calendar for my mother. So my sister got a HUGE one and mounted it on the wall. My sister being my sister, she filled in every day for the entire month of August. Every appointment, but also a trip my niece in CA was taking my mom didn’t need to know about. She put my trip to NYC on there, again unnecessary.

        The whole thing was TMI and only served to confuse my mother more. She’d read it, then call my sister with 50 questions. An hour or so later, she’d read it and call my sister. Sometimes 20 minutes would go by and she’d call again 😂😂

        After 2 and a half days, my BIL went over to my mom’s and took the calendar down. He told my sister he’d kill her if she ever put it back up 😂

        A white board with limited daily information is a much better approach.

      • Mt.Laurel says:

        I used a two chalk boards for my mom as she was born in 1920 and it was more familiar to her. The larger had the day’s schedule (including mine) and the smaller she kept and wrote on items for the grocery store/drug store as she thought of them. I was easier for her to write and read using the chalk without having to switch glasses (she could not wear bifocals/progressives).

        Kept a tote filled with assorted items in the car when dealing with older relatives. Puzzle books, paper pads with lager sized pens/pencils/crayons, tic tacs and m& ms, lance cheese crackers, water, pretty magazines, etc. Used it when ever we had to wait for an appointment or activity especially when they got anxious that we would be late and ended up being very very early. Also have a couple things squirreled away for yourself. I usually took my nook/tablet and a paper book for backup)

    • Myiq2xu™ says:

      UPDATE: At 10:22 Mom emerged from her bedroom wearing her “going out in public” clothes and announced she was ready to go. I didn’t say a word (I had plenty of them lined up) I just got in the car and drove her to her meeting. I dropped her off at 10:33 then I went to Home Depot and wandered around like a kid in a candy store.

      I go back to pick Mom up and she is sitting on a couch waiting for me. There was no meeting.

  11. DeniseVB says:

    • taw46 says:

      See, that is why I would not want to travel right now. Not so much afraid of getting the virus and dying, but being quarantined in one room for two weeks. Then returning home to another two weeks of quarantine. 😬

      • DeniseVB says:

        Nobody really knows what’s going on yet. How it spreads or exactly what the incubation time is from exposure, it’s been anywhere from 7-30 days? Did that doctor come from one of the affected Italian cities? Who exactly was he in contact with? When? So many unanswered questions. That’s the scary part.

        • taw46 says:

          He and his wife had been staying at the hotel for a week. They have both tested positive. And they have been in contact with lots of people there, which is why the hotel is on lockdown. He is from the Lombardy region in Italy that has been hard hit with the virus. So, think about the people who were on his flight to Tenerife. And people in the hotel who have already returned home. All those people go forward and spread the virus, if they have been infected. The only way to slow it down is to stop flights for awhile, but most countries don’t want to do that.

    • lyn says:

      I wonder why Italy is blowing up?

      • DeniseVB says:

        James Woods wonders the same……

        • lyn says:

          It’s a globalist plot to take out Trump.

          • Somebody says:

            Well like all globalist plots, if it is one, it’s backfiring. China, Iran and NK are hardest hit 🤔🤔🤔

        • taw46 says:

          Supposedly there are Chinese workers in Iran building a facility. If true, that could be how it started there. As for Italy, they think it started from someone who had recently returned from China. This person originally tested positive, now negative. So, could have had the virus and recovered. Or the positive could have been false.
          Really, so easy to spread, people were traveling all over the world before the truth came out about China (And still are). Italy gets a lot of Chinese visitors, especially in northern Italy.

          • Somebody says:

            I’d be willing to bet there are Chinese helping Iran with more than building a building. Lots of people pointing the finger at that lab in China, who knows what kind of nasties Iran tries to develop.

            Speaking of Chinese workers, there are lots of them in Afghanistan ( (rare earth minerals). Also Chinese in parts of Africa and South America, yet we’re not hearing of outbreaks in those areas.

            Canada is a concern for us, lots of Iranians fly back and forth. Remember that flight that got shot down? Tons of Canadians of Iranian background on that flight. The southern border is always an issue, people from all over the world sneak across.

  12. DeniseVB says:

    Over 18k votes so far, PDJT is leaving them in the dust. 😀 Perez Hilton’s followers are probably not political junkies either.

  13. Dora says:

    Tired of delays, U.S. labs ask FDA to develop their own coronavirus tests

    CHICAGO (Reuters) – U.S. state and local public health laboratories are seeking permission from the Food and Drug Administration to create their own tests for the new coronavirus as manufacturing and regulatory issues continue to delay access to testing capabilities.

    As of Monday, only five U.S. states – California, Illinois, Nebraska, Nevada and Tennessee – have the capability to test for the virus, according to the Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL).


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  16. 1539days says:

    NeverTrump was wrong about Hillary, too.

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    • 1539days says:

      There are no alternative sourcing options. My company is having serious problems getting circuit boards and cables. We could have cables built, but they would be expensive. Redesigning a circuit board is practically impossible because some of the components just aren’t made in the US.

      • Somebody says:

        Hmmmm, so if by chance I have a lot of cables could I hock them on eBay? 🤔

        My husband and my son hoard cables, it the damndest thing. They also have large stashed of components. I just made hubby clean his out and pare it down to a reasonable amount.

        It’s hard to get rid of that kind of stuff. I found a company I can pay to take it, but if I can make a buck 🤔 I have 3 huge tubs of stuff, 70 gallon tubs or so. Hubby has another stash in the garage that hasn’t been touched. I’m flush with Ethernet and CAT5 cable, plus an assortment of power cords and chargers…….any of those in hot demand?

        How about hard drives, thumb drives, video and sound cards? A few stray motherboards and power supplies?

  20. lyn says:

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    • DeniseVB says:

      We’re watching. No Trumpy Bear rally tonight 🙂 Plus this is the most excited I’ve seen my dh about politics, it’s fun to watch him too !

      • lateblum says:

        This “debate” is the craziest thing I’ve seen – ever. Bernie is full of sh*t. They all are. Warren just can’t help herself. She lies without thinking now. It reminds me of what I think pro wrestling must be like. It’s a free for all.

  22. lyn says:

    Hubby had the Hong Kong flu in 1968 when he was 10.


    • DeniseVB says:

      I had the German Measles in high school. My mom was zipping me up for my first date to a dance and she noticed the rash on my back. She said nothing and let me go. I felt fine that night, but was sick as a dog for days later. In those days, it was like a chicken pox party. 😀

      • 1539days says:

        So you were Typhoid Mary?

        • DeniseVB says:

          Probably. Rubella vac wasn’t available in the 50s/60s. Can’t remember what our required “puppy” shots were then. I know I still have the giant smallpox shot scar on my left hip, Lucky polio vac was out in my childhood. Not chicken pox, had that, now in the September of my years, I had to get the Shingles shot. Never got a flu shot. So far, so good 🙂

          • Somebody says:

            I’ve been immunized for Rubella 6 times and I still don’t have a high enough titer to register as immune. However, both my sisters had it when I was about a toddler and I didn’t catch it from them so I don’t know. 🙄

            I was immunized as a child, then twice during outbreaks at school. They lined us up, we walked to the middle of the stage got the shot and off the stage. I had to get immunized again to get married and then after each of my older kids were born. When I had my 3rd, I was no, enough already. So they ran tests and discovered I have immunity just not quite enough.

      • lyn says:

        LOL. Measles, mumps and chicken pox R Us.

        • votermom says:

          same – I think I had all the childhood infections. Iirc the measles was pretty bad for me and my sister. Looking back it might have weakened my eyesight.

          • lateblum says:

            The measles were pretty hard on me as well. I remember having the mumps also and I remember the aches and pains related to the mumps. I didn’t have chicken pox until I was 36/37. Got it from my kids. I was VERY sick and developed a significant blood disorder that resulted in a splenectomy a year later. I never thought about my eyesight being affected, but it was just a year or so after having measles that I was prescribed eyeglasses. Hmmm

      • elliesmom says:

        I had German measles one summer when I was picking strawberries for a local farm stand. I wonder how many people I infected?

    • Mt.Laurel says:


      Wave high to hubby from a fellow 10 year old who had the Hong Kong Flu in ’68. Mine went into pneumonia (double). I was home schooled most of the second half of the school year. I rarely was sick and my mother, accustomed to some of my older brothers playing possum quite a bit, decided I just did not want to do my science project. My eldest brother was home from the service and pointed out I usually had homework done pronto/loved school and took me to the ER as I could barely stand. My mother was very contrite and every flu season after that she watched me like a hawk until she passed away.

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  25. lateblum says:

    Just saw this and thought I’d bring it over while I still can.

    • lyn says:

      Libby Scott @libbysc53829165

      I worked with Nancy Rosenstein when she was the chief of the Meningococcal Branch In NCID, early 2000s. She is a diehard Liberal, I think from NJ, who most likely hates Trump’s guts. She hated W during the anthrax attacks. I can only imagine how triggered she is now!

    • Anthony says:

      She almost looks like her husband in drag

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  27. Angie says:

    🤣🤣🤣 Fuck Obama & the impotent MSM

  28. lyn says:

    What broken promises, Comb Lady?

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  30. threewickets says:

    Puma and NeverTrumpers are the Queen’s CFR neolib/neocons. Goldman Sachs wealth economics and Kissinger war hawkery. They are the same people.

    The Queen’s CFR are also the same people who troll with Obama and with Trump. The difference between George Soros Rothschild and Lynn Forester Rothschild. No difference.

    Fake politics. America needs to stop being a monarchy. Wake up.

  31. Jadzia says:

    Bonjour, mes amis. Finally back in France, going to Nantes to sit by the river and read for a day and home tomorrow. At last!

    VM, I’m seeing a ton of people in the airports wearing face masks. I feel so bad for you guys.

    • 1539days says:

      Those people are wearing face masks for nothing. Half of their mucous membranes are still exposed.

    • Ann says:

      We saw people in the airports and on planes with masks too (I’ve been around the world the last few weeks). Good thing they have them on only to take them off to eat and drink on the plane.

      Hubby’s been carrying Lysol wipes and wiping down our seats. Who knows if it helps or not. 🤷‍♀️

      We are in Spain for the next month. I don’t care about us getting locked down (except for the food aspect). However, my son and his girlfriend are joining us next week, and they both have jobs they need to return to. He wants to go to Morocco while here… guess it is hot enough there to destroy the virus (that is the hope that like with SARS the heat will kill the virus).

      Anyhoooo… IMO there is no containing this virus if it stays alive on objects as long as they are claiming and if people are walking around with no symptoms while spreading it. I can hide in the house or I can enjoy life. I am choosing the later and hoping I do not later regret that choice. 🙂

      • Mothy67 says:

        I was a bit more concerned before the media started losing its collective mind. Seems it’s all talking heads speculation at this point. I don’t think there is much that can be done short of using apple pay and wiping down grocery carts. The fact that no major cities have seen a large outbreak gives me pause. I would probably reschedule if I were VM. T

        • Ann says:

          I agree, Tim. They want to panic the markets, panic the populous, and run this as an #OrangeManBad when it hits the US hoping it leads to President Trump not being reelected.

          While supply chains will be disrupted (spooking the market), I hope Trump uses this China-catastrophe to drive home that “We NEED more manufacturing in the United States!” I have long said some of it is national security (steel, medicines, precious metal refineries, aircraft, etc), some of it is just prudence.

      • Constance says:

        UV light kills virus (also bacteria) so as the northern hemisphere comes into summer the virus should die off. Spring equinox is only a few weeks away. There doesn’t seem to be many cases south of the equator where it is summer now.

        • elliesmom says:

          There are lots of reasons why we have more flu cases in the winter. Most viruses survive longer in cold, dry environments, and people spend more time in rooms with other people then. We don’t know yet how this virus will react to warmer, wetter weather. While there is some indication UV light will kill some bacteria and viruses, the level from natural sunlight is probably not high enough to make a lot of difference. Medical researchers are looking for a level of UV light that will kill bacteria and viruses, but not raise the cancer threat significantly. If they find it, then we can put those lights places like subway stations.

    • votermom says:

      Haven’t officially cancelled yet. Will cancel hotels while refundable, might wait on airlines tix a bitrefundable

      Glad you are back home, Jadzia!

  32. taw46 says:

    First case confirmed in South America.

  33. Dora says:

    They are home.

  34. foxyladi14 says:

    Safely Home!! ❤

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  36. foxyladi14 says:

    52% in the new Rasmussen Poll. 95% Approval Rating in the Republican Party. Thank you!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 26, 2020

  37. Dora says:

    Federal court rules Trump administration can withhold grants to NYC, seven states over cooperation on immigration policy


  38. Dora says:

    Pocahantis is finshed!

    • elliesmom says:

      I know this is “shallow”, but I’ve counted 6 identical jackets in different colors. How many black shells and pairs of black jeggings do you think she has? My mom said if I went off to college with only blue jeans and white tee shirts that even if I had 10 of each, people would assume I never changed my clothes.

      • Somebody says:

        I thought I was the only one that noticed. I know it’s “sexist” to notice, because men wear identical suits and ties all the time. BTW she has 3 different jacket styles in various colors plus cardigans. Also, she’s partial to blue and red, certainly wears other colors but those seem to be her favorites.

        • Somebody says:

          Meow, I just scrolled through pages of Elizabeth Warren images on google. I found exactly 4 images where she wasn’t wearing her standard “uniform”. There were several in coats, so to be fair she could have had something else on in those images.

          The four I found were……Liz in all white (probably from SOTU), Liz in a very soft pinkish-purplish button down shirt, just barely off white. Liz in all black with a huge necklace (vanity fair), and a WP image of Liz in a charcoal with a white school marm blouse.

          Yes I’m a petty bitch

      • taw46 says:

        Well then, I’m shallow as well. Because I am tired of her uniform. Your mom was right.

      • Mt.Laurel says:

        Count me in on being a tad shallow but it really stands out as the silhouette is basically identical for each photo. More so that the guys in their suits. And leggings. Really. Is she 12? Wearing your PJs to a debate is unprofessional and unimaginative.

      • Constance says:

        I like Warren’s clothes which are basically a uniform and I think it is a good choice. A black column with bright jacket or sweater can be purchased at Target or at Nordstrom or at a higher end store which are out of my league so I don’t know their names. Because of this all women can relate to what she is wearing. When Hillary was running I was continually thinking what the hell is she wearing and where do those clothes come from, maybe those pantsuits are custom made or maybe they are some sort of east coast elitist wear. But it is not good to have people put off by your clothing.

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