What if the Hu Phlung Pu Flu is a dud?

Hmmm, that’s strange. Where are all the zombies?

What if this isn’t the end of the world as we know it?

Rachel Bovard at American Greatness:

Coronavirus Unmasks America

The Chinese coronavirus crisis has unmasked much about America in just a few short weeks: the vulnerabilities in our critical supply chains, the burdensome and bureaucratic regulatory regime that stifles our public health response, the selfishness of Millennials and Gen-Zers who think social distancing is an Instagram meme, and the latent corporatism in both of our established political parties.

One hopes that when we are collectively on the other side of this, we can all have a national conversation about what went wrong and adjust our policy parameters accordingly.

One thing is certain – the Kung Flu is not Captain Trips, the superflu that kills 98% of the people in the world in Stephen King’s The Stand. Another thing that seems obvious is that we were not ready for a deadly pandemic similar to the Spanish Flu of 1918-1920. Perhaps that could make the Chinese Lung Rot a blessing in disguise.

Imagine a flu that 80% of the people got and that killed 10% of its victims. A flu like that would kill tens of millions of people in the United States alone. We need to be prepared to face a virulent pandemic without bringing our economy to a crashing halt.

Or perhaps that is asking too much. How much of our freedom do we want to sacrifice for an average strain of influenza? How do we avoid a situation where the government cries wolf every year or two and people ignore the warnings? How do we keep the news media from behaving like blithering idiots? Perhaps occasional pandemics are the sort of thing that we have to accept as part of the price of freedom.

But one thing that must change – just as we cannot be dependent on foreign oil we cannot allow ourselves to be dependent on anyone else (but especially China) for our medicines and medical supplies. And it wouldn’t hurt to make hoarding toilet paper a felony.

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127 Responses to What if the Hu Phlung Pu Flu is a dud?

  1. votermom says:

    Give me TP or give me death!

    • DeniseVB says:

      Been doing “Bored Housewife Ordering on Amazon Binge Ordering” this week using your link. You should be feeling those nickles by now. 😀

  2. elliesmom says:

    Another thing is we can’t make school the center of the universe for kids if we’re going to lock the doors when the going gets tough. We expanded school from a place where kids learn readin’, writin’, and ‘rithmetic to a source of food, social services, off-hours daycare, and in some cases medical care. People keep demanding schools provide more and more care for children, and sometimes their parents. Then we close the doors and leave the kids high and dry.

    • BGCT2VA says:

      “…kids learn readin’, writin’, and ‘rithmetic…” You know of such places??
      I hope whatever lessons we learn they are more lasting than what we may have learned from Y2K and 9/11.

      • elliesmom says:

        Kids are learning how to survive in an abusive home with nowhere to hide. Kids are learning reduced fee for school lunches and the breakfast program at school don’t feed you when they lock you out. Kids who meet regularly with the school counselor to help them with anxiety are finding she’s not there when times get anxious. Kids are learning the school nurse can’t help you when there’s no school. A lot of kids are learning their parents don’t like having them around all that much. I promise you what kids are learning will be lasting.

        • DeniseVB says:

          They just cancelled the rest of the school year in Virginia. I’m sad kids are going to miss out on the fun spring activities. High School Musicals, spring sports, proms, graduations….

          Even if the kids were involved activities outside the schools, my youngest gd in Queens, no skating, dance and gymnastics. My grandtwins had their h.s. spring golf season cancelled, also, the local rec center they lifeguard at and they shut down the ski resort (March-April their busiest season, they have snow til May) and lost teen paychecks. My worry, they’re going to turn feral 😀

          • Constance says:

            I hate this! Kids should not have their activities canceled. Tell the old people like me to stay in. Way to make everyone hate old and sick people!

          • Somebody says:

            I don’t know if the cancelled for the rest of the year thing will play out.

            Think about it, what are parents going to do with their children if/when they return to work? Leave them home alone? Take them to Grandma’s 🤔

          • elliesmom says:

            I loved most of my teaching colleagues, but I predicted if the governor of a state released cities and towns from the required 185 days of work for teachers and 180 days of school for kids, and the paychecks were still coming, teachers would be on the front lines of saying the kids should stay home, and the online resources the teachers were providing themselves would fizzle out quickly. Teachers become teachers for a lot of reasons, and a lot of them aren’t especially noble. There will be some of them who will be especially upset the kids aren’t coming back, but some will head to Aruba.

  3. SHV says:

    ” Another thing that seems obvious is that we were not ready for a deadly pandemic similar to the Spanish Flu of 1918-1920. Perhaps that could make the Chinese Lung Rot a blessing in disguise.”….”just as we cannot be dependent on foreign oil we cannot allow ourselves to be dependent on anyone else (but especially China) for our medicines”……and putting a lie to “Open borders are the Bestest…..
    PDJT, the master of owning the downside will hammer the Globalist after this cluster fuck settles down. Another week to 10 days to see where this is going to go….Italy? or Japan? Medical people are nervous, especially about lack of masks and other protective gear…The large University Hospital in town is out of all masks.

    The article that Denise posted yesterday, two of the major concerns are that this virus is new so there is, unlike the “usual flu” no partial immunity in the community and that the virus is “slippery”; it has mutated very quickly to be more virulent.

    My wife, a lapsed RC, who is very cool when the shit is hitting the fan, walked out of the house this early AM wearing a St. Christopher medal; first time in 17 years.

    • Somebody says:

      None other than the LA Times and Bloomberg have a story out today about masks. Apparently the Obama administration never re-supplied the national stockpile after H1N1. Companies have gone into production here, hopefully masks will be forthcoming, stat.

      • SHV says:

        Not restocking is one, perhaps the major problem, but also apparently some of the stockpile masks were “expired” and finally there are two different certification agencies for the same mask for medical use or commercial use. Past few days, the “Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act” was put into effect for masks, removing legal liability for using commercial masks for medical use. 3M is now able to make 35 million N95 mask per month and send them where they are needed.

        Without that legal exemption, you can bet your ass that there would be TV ads :”Did you wear a non-medical N95 mask and got Corona…Call the law firm, blah..blah” for class action against 3M”

        • 1539days says:

          I was told the difference between commercial and medical use is that the elastic straps are stapled for commercial while medical has a slightly more expensive tab that won’t tear a tiny hole at the side of the mask like a staple might.

  4. Propertius says:

    “we cannot allow ourselves to be dependent on anyone else (but especially China) for our medicines and medical supplies.”

    Amen, brother.

  5. votermom says:

    reported Pelosi’s daughter fir this tweet

  6. Propertius says:

    We don’t really know what the fatality rate of the virus is. We can’t know that until the outbreak dies down and we know the outcome of all the cases. Right now, people are often comparing the total number of cases to the number of deaths. That can’t possibly be the right way to calculate this, because the vast majority of those cases are still sick (and, in fact, only became sick in the last few days) – some of those, unfortunately, will die. By definition, we also don’t know how many unconfirmed cases there are. If you look just at the cases that have ended (either by recovery or death), the picture is much grimmer (like, over 10%). If the vast majority of cases are asymptomatic or just a case of the sniffles and never get tested, the fatality rate may be much, much lower (under 1%). Those are some pretty big error bars.

    • Woke Lola says:

      It’s also a huge nation. We have 35,000 confirmed cases in the us, but most of those are in NY, LA, Seattle, and now Florida. NY alone accounts for almost half the 35,000 with 15,000 cases.

      It really sucks to be living the blue life these days.

      • Somebody says:

        Florida isn’t a blue state, we’re a tourist state though and half the rude, ignorant, drunken college brats just traversed our state, some still are. They close public areas trying to get rid of them, they just move like locusts to other locations.

        Now we have plans loads coming from areas that are locked down. 95 and 75 south is full of cars rolling in. The governor gave an order that anyone coming here from the hotspots is required to self-quarantine for 14 days 🙄 Exactly who is going to enforce that? We can’t get rid of the college kids 🙄 It’s not like they make you sign in at the state line or the airport (although I’m not opposed to that 😜)

        • helenk3 says:

          The Jersey shore has the same problem. Not so much with tourists now it is not the season for them. But people who live in NY and PA that own 2nd homes down the shore.

        • DeniseVB says:

          I heard that 5 college kids tested positive for coronavirus in the Tampa area, a week after they returned from Spring Break at one of the Florida beaches. Have you heard anything? I think Helen’s in the Tampa area? Haven’t seen anything since reported, and forgot the source.

          Speaking of your state line, it was our favorite rest stop for our VA-St.Augustine-Ft Lauderdale road trips to visit son and family. Loved our free orange juice samples and Greg would load up one of each of the tourist brochures for the entire state, like 900 of them, lol.

        • Island Girl says:

          We also are implementing the 14 day quarantine and can and will shut down our borders.
          While also making us all except essential unemployed zombies. But we can surf swim fish and hunt!

      • lyn says:

        Oregon’s fascist governor issued the stay-at-home order today. Defying it is a Class c Misdemeanor with 30 days in jail and/or $1,250 fine. We are defying it to take a very sick kitty for thyroid treatment.

        • lateblum says:

          Aren’t there exceptions for illness and emergency medical treatment?
          No. I’m not being sarcastic. I know how important a role pets play in families.

        • DeniseVB says:

          You should be exempt. All our vets are open for pet emergencies and treatments for chronic and supportive care. Fuck the gov !

          I got sucked into a news item earlier that Putin released 500 lions on Moscow streets to make people stay indoors. I feel stupid now 😉

        • Island Girl says:

          That governor thing in Orygun is so creepy these days. Miss the freaky 90’s 🙂

        • Miranda says:

          I hope your kitty gets better. The kitty my aunt and I tried to rescue back in November didn’t make it.

    • 1539days says:

      All indications are that it is relatively high and there is no vaccine to arrest the spread. The Diamond Princess passengers were tested about 100% and the mortality rate was 0.5%. In Korea it’s around 1%. However, the number of cases is pretty important. In Italy, people are dying from lack of health care. Flattening the curve brings that number down.

      • Constance says:

        They did say at the White House press briefing today that almost all of the people who died in Italy had 3 or more preexisting conditions.

        • 1539days says:

          The general population has a number of people with preexisting conditions. Limiting exposure is critical to them.

          • Constance says:

            That ‘s why they should stay in. Other people can stay in if the want to. But there are also people who are ready to kill themselves over small business losses.

          • 1539days says:

            Millions of people would be on house arrest for 18 months until they can get a vaccine. Because if the disease runs rampant in the “healthy” population, one wrong contact might kill them.

  7. swanspirit says:

    Bringing this from downstairs.

    Governor Hogan just declared all nonessential businesses in Maryland closed at 5pm today.

    I just finished having a discussion with an old friend, who considers himself nonpartisan, and a libertarian. He is actually very partisan, and a prigressive.( That is a typo but it fits, so I am leaving it)
    He was so condescending, and insulting to me, and didn’t even see it. When I pointed it out, he called me a snowflake.

    He works for a company that makes high end musical instruments, the ones that rock stars sometimes own. He is now out of work. I wonder how he is going to like that. 😎

  8. helenk3 says:


    when susan collins is mad at the dems, you know they went one toke over the line on the virus bill

  9. helenk3 says:


    if Trump did nothing else he made the dems expose themselves as the enemy within this country. We should thank him for that

    • lyn says:

      But he may cave.

    • Mothy67 says:

      Sadly it seems people are loving Cuomo.

      • Somebody says:

        Really? They may change their mind once they find out how many hospitals he has closed to fund boondoggles like solar farms. In fact he closed one on February 24th and now he whines and begs the feds to provide hospital beds.

        Cuomo hasn’t been challenged in any way and quite frankly he shouldn’t be right now. If he ends up being put forth at a brokered convention, which I doubt, he’ll be challenged then.

      • Myiq2xu™ says:

        I call him “The other Fredo.” You can bet your life savings that there are people trying to figure out how to make him the Dem. nominee. Truth be told, he would make a better candidate than any of the others.

      • michelina says:

        trust me we all in upper state HATE HIS GUTS————don’i believe what you read

  10. taw46 says:

    A thread about Pelosi and her bs bill.

  11. 1539days says:

    Being fully prepared for a crisis is not going to happen. Buy American was a successful slogan until the media found Kathie Lee’s sweatshop and Wal-Mart decided it was easier to keep the media away from China. If you want ventilators and masks sitting in a warehouse for 20 years until the next epidemic, the government has to pay for it.

    I’m pretty sure there’s an old post of mine from 2009 back in the Obamacare wars. I posted that the government should subsidize emergency rooms as first response centers. ERs are generally money losers and hospitals sometimes close them if they are not mandated.

    Whether it is 9/11 or COVID-19, we learn something from crisis. We don’t learn everything, and we forget a lot. Given the unprecedented nature of this virus, I can live with the hastily-planned lockdowns. I also think we need a better plan going forward. I don’t know if I have a lot of faith though, with Congressmen short-selling and Democrats padding emergency legislation with pork and socialism.

  12. Angie says:

  13. elliesmom says:

    The Lt Governor of Texas was just on Tucker saying what I’ve been saying for days. The end of the 14 days, no matter what, we need to send people back to work and the kids back to school. The cure has become worse than the disease.

  14. Dora says:

    • DandyTIger says:

      Didn’t Romney used to cause cancer in women by just looking at them funny. Or something. Dems used to say something like that, and they wouldn’t lie. Would be karma fun if the Dems decided to hate him again. Poor Willard, can’t get a break.

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  16. Angie says:


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  18. DandyTIger says:

    Great discussion from the presser and form Tucker on the realities of going too far by shutting down the economy. Not enough Dems, or may be not any, have a grip on the bigger picture of economies, functioning countries, and civilization. Shut things down for 6 months to a year and it won’t come back. Maybe ever. Without a functioning economy, given our current population density, interdependence, global relations, we could be looking at 10s of millions to a 100 million in the US actually dying. Vs. 1000s to maybe 10s of 1000s from the virus.

    • DandyTIger says:

      On the Dem (lack of) relief package, and all their padding for identity politics and themselves, if the airlines go out of business and there are no more commercial planes operating, what then? No transportation companies to move food and goods, what then? No energy infrastructure businesses, what then?

      I’d rather no relief package than the shit they’re proposing. And the way around a lack of one is just to accelerate back to work to save the economy. And yep, that means more of us older people will die than possibly would have, but at what I suspect is less than 1% fatality, that’s sadly better than no economy.

      • lyn says:

      • Constance says:

        Old people can stay home. People have been making that choice forever. For the last years of my parents life they would say they didn’t want to be around their beloved grand kids during flu season even after getting the flu shot. It’s not new, people who are afraid of getting sick stay home.

      • lyn says:

        • elliesmom says:

          That’s the clip I was talking about. I would have gone and picked Crash up and brought her to my house to save her the anguish she was going through over being told she could kill me, but my daughter wouldn’t let me even suggest it. She was afraid, too. The reality is my daughter’s health puts her at a bigger risk than me. I haven’t had the early, early morning panicked Facetime calls in a couple of days so Crash might be better, or just sleeping later. 🙂

    • taw46 says:

      My sister and I go round and round on this since KW first started talking about shutting things down. I said we can’t do this for more than two weeks, people can’t live with no income (it is all tourist economy here). She says we have to do it for weeks or people will die. I tell her we can’t just shutdown the country for weeks, it will destroy us and even more people will die. She is one of those Dems who doesn’t have a grip on the bigger picture. Too much MSNBC. And they are awful.

  19. Angie says:

    I admit I laughed

  20. Mothy67 says:

    More of this please

  21. DandyTIger says:

  22. DandyTIger says:

    • AniEm says:

      It is refreshing to see a Senator with ethics. I’m stuck here in NJ with Senators Spartacus and Sleaze. We need to start a #MeTooUSTaxpayer movement and have the financial predators in Congress held accountable.

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  24. Dora says:

    • Miranda says:

      While I agree that the economy has to be re-started, there’s no proof that people who have been infected once cannot be infected again. People can certainly have more than 1 bout of the flu.

      • Anthony says:

        Hydrochloroquine taken with a Z-pak brings the viral load to zero in 24 hours or less. While many are immobilized by hysteria, the medical community has been kicking ass in drug trials. My dyed in the wool Dem friends are calling for months of quarantine, but common sense and medical research data dictates otherwise. Enough is enough. We’re on day 9 of 15. Six more days.

        • Mothy67 says:

          I guess two idiots took fish tank cleaner with hq. He died she’s in ICU. Twitter is blaming Trump.

        • Miranda says:

          That’s great! I’m certainly not pro-quarantine, just saying there’s no proof having it once makes you immune. If they have a good treatment, then hallelujah!

  25. DeniseVB says:

    Your misinformation Blame Trump Talking Points have been handed out for today……

  26. Mothy67 says:

    So online school starts April 6 and regular classes, if things are contained, April 9. I’m glad they are not just giving up on the year. Teaches the kids not to just throw in the towel.

    • elliesmom says:

      Someone will sue because not of the kids will have the same access online, and online school will either be dropped or become optional and for enrichment only. Even homes with internet access will have parents trying to work from home and computing for the family computer or multiple siblings.

      • Mothy67 says:

        I hadn’t considered the multiple siblings or working from home. I wonder how much could be taught on a smartphone or tablet. Comcast offers internet for 9.99 with a router and a 50 dollar computer for a household in which a student gets free or reduced lunch in my district. Very small school. I think they could put something together short-term.

        • lateblum says:

          There has been a report that some school districts ar doling out tablets to the families who didn’t have devices for the kids.

          • elliesmom says:

            My most advanced degree in education is in the field of distance learning. Technology is a boon to people who don’t have on site access to education, but it’s also a gatekeeper for people whose access to technology is limited. If a school system doles out tablets to kids who don’t have computers at home, but doesn’t send one home with every child, there will be lawsuits. If the access isn’t uniform for all the kids- bandwidth, available memory, software packages, there will be lawsuits. If there is no adaptive technology available for kids with physical or learning disabilities, there will be lawsuits. Public school is based on every child having exactly the same resources provided to them by the school. Parents can add more, but the school cannot provide less. A parent could give a child an advantage by having a printer available, but no assignment could be given where even using a printer would be a suggestion unless the school gave every child a printer to take home. Maine has been a pioneer in giving every child a tablet to use. They might be able to pull this off, but relying on people not to sue if their kid already has a computer of his own is a daydream.

  27. DeniseVB says:

    Spicey !

  28. Mothy67 says:

    Who crafts nanzi’s legislation for her? There is no way she has even read it.

  29. Mothy67 says:

  30. taw46 says:

    Today was the first day at Publix for seniors to shop 7-8am. What a hoot! Do not get in the way of a bunch of seniors, they will run you over. It was bedlam, lol. My sister and I were there 5 min before opening and there was a line. I made a beeline to the paper products. There was one old lady just standing at the entrance to the aisle blocking everyone. People were coming up the other way, so I politely went around her and scored some tp and paper towels. About 5 min later it was all gone. I only got one pack of each. We should now be ok for several weeks, assuming the madness ends soon.

    People down here won’t starve but some shelves are bare. Hardly any meat or milk, refrigerated section low on everything. Produce section was well stocked as was the bakery. Still no cleaning supplies, Clorox wipes, hand soaps. We figure we are good on stuff (except for milk) for a few weeks, so don’t plan to go out again. The store was packed and no way to stay 6 ft apart. 😷

    I read this morning on FB that a church in Big Pine Key setup a drive through for paper products, all free. They are giving out 2 rolls of tp and one roll of paper towels to everyone. That is very nice, but I wonder where they found it.

    • elliesmom says:

      I get a case of toilet paper delivered every 3 months, my delivery came just before this started, and I still had some left. If a church asked me to donate a couple of rolls, I would, and I’m guessing that’s how they got their supply. I sent my brother home with 12 rolls on Sunday because his wife was in a panic. There is no shortage of toilet paper in this country. If the government has to issue ration stamps, they will, but I think we’re all going back to work in a week or two. They might keep the kids out of school for the rest of the year, but they won’t keep people out of work.

    • Somebody says:

      TAW look for shelf stable milk or powdered milk. Don’t forget to check for the kiddie boxes of milk, they”re like juice boxes. At my publix they are all together on the coffee aisle, you have non-dairy coffee creamer and all the various milks.

      At Winn Dixie the kiddie milk boxes are on the breakfast aisle. The other is with coffee and teas, BUT they also had some powdered milk on the baking aisle

      • Somebody says:

        Another thing gas stations here have milk as do mom and pop stores. In NC my daughter said the farmer’s market has milk

  31. Mothy67 says:


  32. Dora says:

    She’s a dog.

    Oops – I’m sorry all you dogs out there. I didn’t mean any offense.

    • lateblum says:

      Isn’t Gallaudet university the school for Deaf? I had a client several ears ago who had graduated from there. I tried to learn ASL so I could work with him. Then the hospital provided a sign language interpreter who accompanied him wherever he was in treatment..

      • elliesmom says:

        Yes, it is and as taxpayer I don’t have an issue with giving them a little support, but this bill isn’t the place.

        • lateblum says:

          Of course it isn’t. There should be NOTHING added to the bill that doesn’t contribute directly to the purpose of the bill.

  33. taw46 says:

    Thanks for the suggestions! They did have a few whole milk cartons there. Problem is my sister and I drink lactaid milk. We have enough for a week, so will check it out later. If we get desperate for milk in our cereal, we do have a Circle K across the street, they probably have milk.

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