The Trump Tax Nothingburger

The DNC/NY Times released a hit piece on Trump’s tax returns yesterday. The TDS media (which was likely given a heads up on the release) grabbed the story and ran hog-wild. Bloviating gasbags bloviated. Blah, blah, blah. Yadda yadda yadda.

I don’t want to get down in the weeds about the details of the story or why it is so wrong. I just want to make some uninformed observations.

1. Tax returns are private. 26 U.S.C. §7213 subsection (a)(1) makes it a felony for any federal employee to disclose tax returns or “return information.” Violating this provision can land the offending bureaucrat in federal prison for up to five years and he can be fined up to $250,000.

2. Tax returns don’t show everything. For instance, they show how much you claim for charitable deductions, but unless you get audited you are not required to show who the recipients were.

3. Tax laws are complex. They include statutory law, IRS regulations, and case law.

4. Tax laws change constantly. Tax Attorneys and accountants spend a lot of time each year studying those changes.

5. Every deduction and credit in the tax code was put there for a worthy purpose. For example, Congress wanted to encourage home ownership, so they made your mortgage interest deductible.

6. Our tax code is used for social engineering. Taxes can be used to penalize disfavored things like smoking, or to reward buying “green” technologies like solar panels.

7. It is not illegal or unpatriotic to pay the minimum amount of taxes possible. As Justice Learned Hand said in Gregory v. Helvering:

a transaction … does not lose its immunity, because it is actuated by a desire to avoid, or, if one choose, to evade, taxation. Anyone may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one’s taxes.

8. Good-faith claims of deductions and/or credits may be disallowed by the IRS. This is especially true with new statutory changes to the tax code. Let’s say Congress passes a law creating a tax credit. Your CPA tells you that qualify for it so you claim it. Later, (in an unrelated case) the IRS decides that people in your circumstances are not eligible for that credit. So you file an amended return that does not claim the credit. Later still, someone who was denied the credit sues the IRS (or is charged with falsely claiming the credit), and the court rules that they WERE eligible. So you file another amended return to get the credit.

9. Rich guys like Donald Trump don’t do their own taxes. Nor do they hire an accountant. They hire accounting firms with an army of CPAs and tax attorneys. Those accounting firms can be held liable if they participate in illegal activity. Remember Enron?

Arthur Andersen LLP was an American holding company based in Chicago. Formerly one of the “Big Five” accounting firms (along with PricewaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu, Ernst & Young, and KPMG), the company had provided auditing, tax and consulting services to large corporations. By 2001, it had become one of the world’s largest multinational businesses.

In 2002, the firm voluntarily surrendered its licenses to practice as Certified Public Accountants in the United States after it was found guilty of crimes in the firm’s auditing of Enron, an energy corporation based in Texas, which had filed for bankruptcy in 2001.[1] In 2005, the Supreme Court of the United States unanimously reversed Arthur Andersen’s conviction due to serious errors in the trial judge’s instructions to the jury that convicted the firm.[2] Despite this, the damage to Andersen’s reputation was so great that it has never returned as a viable business even on a limited scale.

10. The Democrats have been demanding Trump’s tax returns for five years for political reasons. There has never been any reason to believe that Trump cheated on his taxes.

11. The Obama people already went thru Trump’s taxes. Lois Lerner may be gone but Obama still has his minions stationed all thru the federal bureaucracy. If they had found anything they could use they would have leaked it. Now, in desperation, they leaked his tax records anyway.

12. The Democrats, not President Trump, are the ones breaking the law.

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191 Responses to The Trump Tax Nothingburger

  1. helenk3 says:

    just out of curiosity would the dems claim he could not handle money, if he did not claim all the legal tax breaks he is entitled to?

  2. lyn5 says:

    The Democrats and their media whores act as though Trump does his own taxes.

  3. Woke Lola says:

    I don’t give two shits about what’s in Trump’s tax returns or what Democrats and the NYT (but I repeat myself) plan to do with their ill gotten gains. Neither does America.

    But as a politico, I’d be lying if I didn’t acknowledge that the Brad Parscale incident does worry me. I hope it’s not the background numbers we don’t get to see that have got him acting out. It could be something else, but that’s the first thing I’ve seen all summer that has me a little worried.

    • SHV says:

      Probably has had “issues” and psychological deterioration for awhile. Would explain the rather sudden change in leadership of the campaign at a rather critical time in the run up to the election.

    • Angie says:

      Worries me too –but I thought it had to do with his being removed by Trump as campaign manager not financial shenanigans.
      This incident makes me think he was removed due to stress & maybe it got to be too much.

      Nothing in the NYT’s story indicates financial mishandling in the campaign/implicates Parscale, as the left is speculating.

      • Somebody says:

        O didn’t see a man that appeared suicidal. Have we not considered that perhaps his wife was lying? I’ve known two men whose wives set them up in preparation for divorce. I also know a woman whose husband set her up.

        Florida is a no fault state, but there are loop holes. One is if you can prove your spouse is mentally incapacitated. The woman I know that was screwed over, her husband Baker Acted her. He was her POA, so he “took care of” their finances and divorced her. He also got custody of the kids. They were HS sweethearts, I went to HS with them. I was somewhat friendly with him, but she never cared for me……think mean girls.

        They both worked throughout the marriage at jobs and also owned a fairly successful business. He took it all. She lost her job, her kids everything. He found a new wife and they built a big house on the river. I ran into him right after Irma and was just torn up to hear his house flooded, NOT!

        I don’t know what supposed issues she had, heard rumors of drinking. No matter what, nobody deserves to be treated like that.

        So having seen shenanigans, I’ll reserve judgment on Parscale, because I didn’t see a suicidal man or a man that seemed on the verge of a breakdown.

        I also worry that his wife might have been trying to get him out of the house so someone could have access to his data.

        I know nothing, I’m just suspicious

    • Constance says:

      He is probably being blackmailed over something stupid like screwing around or an illigitimate kid.

    • Angie says:

      Did you see this?

      Looks like a drunken domestic dispute, not suicidal.

    • lyn5 says:

      It’s hard not to be worried when so many Obama shit eaters are active.

  4. taw46 says:

    And so it starts —- if this is true. Where’s Governor Abbott? Senator Cruz? I want to hear more about this.

  5. Angie says:

    The electoral college “Republican” tilt. JFC 🤣🤣🤣

    • SHV says:

      Nancy is also trying to lay the groundwork to delay a House vote for President in the unlikely event of an EC tie vote until the new Congress is seated. The House vote is determined by majority of Party members in each delegation; each State get one vote. Currently Repubs hold 28-22(?) advantage

      • elliesmom says:

        The new congress is seated on January 3rd, and the House certifies the election on January 6th by law. She doesn’t have to do anything to have things happen in that order. She just needs to get a majority of the congressional delegations to be Democrats.

  6. DeniseVB says:

    Didn’t Lois Lerner retire at a 200k/ retirement ? That pisses me off, along with Obama with a million plus. ?

  7. lyn5 says:

    Molly Prince @mollyfprince

    Folks in the media are claiming that bc Trump has more than $400MM in loans maturing over the next few years, he is facing massive defaults and will consequently be desperate to cut a deal.

    One the the deals journalists have been referencing is a $100MM loan on Trump Tower (1/)

    Debt is an investment tool. Trump’s real estate portfolio is mid- to low-leverage with plenty of cash flow over the debt service. He is in no risk of defaulting.

    This dunce doesn’t understand real estate finance.…

    Trump Tower was valued at $480MM (by a third-party appraiser). That makes the loan ~21% loan to value (LTV). For context, the average securitized loan is 60 – 75% LTV, making this an incredibly low leverage and safe loan.

    *For those who care, it’s fee simple with full term IO.

    The debt service ratio is 2.99x, which means that nearly 3x the amount of cash flow coming from the building alone will cover the debt Trump owes. The building is currently 82% occupied and can hit near vacancy before Trump has to even take a penny from his pocket.

    For those bloviating that Trump’s a poor real estate investor, this is how great he ACTUALLY is:

    Trump can refinance the loan when it matures in 2022 at the same level, OR he can refinance at a standard leverage (i.e. 65%) and walk away with more than $200MM of cash that day.

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  10. lyn5 says:

    Ginni Thomas shared the link on Facebook

    • foxyladi14 says:

      Donald J. Trump
      The Fake News Media, just like Election time 2016, is bringing up my Taxes & all sorts of other nonsense with illegally obtained information & only bad intent. I paid many millions of dollars in taxes but was entitled, like everyone else, to depreciation & tax credits…..
      10:29 AM · Sep 28, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

  11. Angie says:

    Reposting from below because ❤

    • Mothy67 says:

      Meh I am not impressed. They do not meet. They seem to be fighting. Best duets respect the others voice. Picture and my fav Stumblin In – foolishly laying our hearts on the table. They sing well but for me it is like they sing at each other.

  12. lyn5 says:

    Denise, didn’t you post this once?

    LOL. Jonathan Vande Velde: Considering the average talent level in this family, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the house’s cat playing the piano.

  13. Mothy67 says:

    Shayla’s mom had been out of of looney bin for less than 72hours. She was living with a guy she met in the crazy house. They called police and said I was cray cray and molesting Shay. There was no due process. I moved to my cabin. I was not allowed to even say goodnight. It took almost a month for me to be cleared. I was treated like shit. I had no rights. When I was cleared the social worker went at me hard about pressing charges. I would just hurt the child. It is ten years later. I am glad I ate it because Shay does have a relationship with her mom who has 3 other kids.
    Point is anyone can make an accusation you need no proof. I hired an attorney. It never went to charges, but the stuff they said to me was hellish. I was going to be the bad guy if I counter sued. Shay would have gone thru hell. They said if I pushed she would get a forced vaginal exam. I sat down. Her mom hasn’t even given a true apology. She blames the guy she was living with. Nothing is ever her fault. Shay bears no scars. It could have been ugly I took it on the chin. I always wonder when I hear domestic issues.

    • lateblum says:

      It’s so sad that you all suffered through that. But like a good parent you kept your own dignity and respected and protected Shay. Just because you did the “right” thing, doesn’t mean it didn’t take a toll on you then, and continues to come back at you from time to time in the present.
      Being the good guy is a full time job. Sometimes it is easy, often it’s difficult and even painful. I know. ❤️

    • Mothy67 says:

      I am in awe of Rick Grenell. He is a talented, smart, fighter. I can’t speak for others but I “felt” like my life was limited. I was gay so there were limits. He has knocked it out of the park. My mom has a crush on him. She did not speak to me for nearly ten years because I was gay she pines after Grenell??????????

      • swanspirit says:

        I have a little mini crush on him myself, so I can understand.

        • Somebody says:

          I’ve had a crush on him for years, before he was in the Trump administration. Now, even more!

          I don’t know if you can find old shows, but your mom might find how Grenell ended up in Trump world interesting. He used to do the FNC show outnumbered on occasion.

          He was on that show back during 2016 primary. He was talking about what candidate Trump had said about NATO I believe, could have been something else. Anyway, he said DJT was absolutely right, it was just the way he was saying it. He made some mention that he didn’t know who his advisors were but if he were advising him he’d advise thus and so.

          I believe it was Harris Faulkner that said, why don’t you advise him? He laughed and said, I’m sure they have plenty of advisers. She said, no really they don’t. I have a number I’ll put you in touch.

          I want to say this was around March 2016. Anyway the next day he was back on the show for the last time. He was introduced as DJT senior adviser in the opening. He told the story of calling, walking over to Trump Tower, interviewing which he said was a long conversation and being hired. All in the span of a couple hours the day before.

          He’s been on the Trump train ever since.

          He had been an advisor to Romney’s campaign but was let go because his being gay was too controversial. Trump DGAF if he’s gay. Trump cared about his intelligence. Trump never touted him as gay either, until it looked like the spineless R’s in the senate weren’t going to confirm him. Then Trump beat them over the head with homophobia.

          • swanspirit says:

            So Romney is homophobic! Oh it just figures, doesn’t it? Being gay too “controversial” jeez louise.

          • Somebody says:

            I don’t know that Romney is homophobic, maybe. I think his firing Grenell over the “controversy of his sexuality”, just proves Romney is spineless.

            Trump not only hired, but retained Grenell AND valued Grenell’s input. Once he won, he put Grenell into a position in his new administration. Not everyone on the campaign got a position, in fact many didn’t. Christie and Giuliani come to mind. Then he promoted Grenell to acting DNI, because he trusted him.

            Grenell’s personal life was never a factor for Trump. Trump courted and won the majority of the Evangelical vote, with Grenell on board. Romney feared alienating Evangelicals with Grenell on board. As I said spineless, pandering Mitt.

            In the end, Trump turned Grenell into a beloved figure on the right, even among Evangelicals. 🤣🤣

          • lateblum says:

            Thank you, Somebody, for saying it so well.

  14. Mothy67 says:

    How does one not love dogs?
    My bell bell has to sleep with Shayla. She gets up about 5 and scratches the door. She then goes to sleep with my mom. It is her thing. Every night like clockwork. She has to go to sleep with Shay but sun up she moves to my mom. She does this unless there is thunder. We had a small clap tonight. A hint of thunder. I have my bad girl asleep on my chest. She has to be on me if there is any thought of rain. She will attack if I do a high five. She protects kids but a firecracker sends her to cuddling into my arms.i love my bad girl. She gallops with deer. They stop by. They are Bell’s friends. She feeds them. I feel like a John Denver song. My pup wakes up everyday I give bunny food. Bell bell is there with my rabbit. They play every morning.

  15. Mothy67 says:

    Fuck Annie’s Song

    • elliesmom says:

      Ellie, Hank, and I are going out to feel some “Sunshine on Our Shoulders” this morning. Rainy morning predicted for tomorrow so the indoor chores can wait.

  16. Mothy67 says:

    He wrote Leaving on a Jet plane.

  17. DeniseVB says:

    Whoa !

  18. Dora says:

    • lateblum says:

      The crowd is growing. I think there were only 4 in Wisconsin. By the time they get to CA, they may have 15-20 people.

  19. elliesmom says:

    Every time Kamala Harris laughs at inappropriate times I expect a forked lizard tongue to flick in and out of her mouth. Is this on the list of things we aren’t allowed to say about her because of racism/misogyny?

    • Dora says:

      I’m sure it is. 🙂

    • Anthony says:

      I’m thinking Asprergers… 2 cognitively impaired people want to run the country??

      • elliesmom says:

        Autistic people, which includes Asperger’s syndrome, often do laugh inappropriately. I had a student with Asperger’s who watched videos of standup comedians to try to figure out what was funny. By the time her “research” was done, she could have become a deent standup act. One of my favorite students.

        But I don’t see any other signs of Asperger’s. I think Harris’s laugh is a nervous laugh. She often laughs when she’s about to tell a whopper, attack an opponent, or avoid a question. I think we’re going to see “Kamala Harris, mean girl” when she questions Amy Coney Barrett, but watch Harris to see her evaluating how it’s playing with the men she’s trying to impress. If she sees she’s gone too far with the men on her side of the aisle, she’ll laugh and walk it back.

    • lateblum says:

      If it isn’t a compliment, a HIGH compliment, it’s racist as well as misogynist.

  20. DeniseVB says:

    This makes sense, even my dd’s small business had to pay quarterly taxes.

    • Miranda says:

      mr.mir and I both pay quarterly taxes as independent contractors. That’s standard. We tend to overpay because we don’t want any bad surprises in April.

      • lateblum says:

        Right. Whenever I receive the disbursements from my annuity account, I always have them take out 15% rather than the usual 10% for taxes lest there are surprises in April. Always.

  21. DeniseVB says:

    Just something pretty to look at 😀

  22. Dora says:

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  25. Dora says:

    Happy Birthday Jerry!


      • Somebody says:

        Happy Birthday Jerry Lee! 🎂

        Love Jerry Lee. Many moons ago, I used to be a pretty decent pianist. I was always better at classical music, for which I was trained, but teens generally aren’t impressed by classical music.

        I used to listen to Jerry Lee over and over,, working hard to figure out every note. (My parents had all his albums) One of my “cool” tricks was to play parts of “Great Balls of Fire” backwards or with my feet🤣 I say parts, because there are certain parts that make that easier to do than others. It was a parlor trick of sorts in my youth and young adulthood.

        My older two kids used to beg me to play for their friends and they were so proud their friends thought their mom was cool.🤣 I still own my piano, moved it from house to house, but haven’t touched it in decades or close to it. Shame really, playing used to be an escape for me, growing up and in my younger years. I bet I couldn’t play chopsticks now🤣 Definitely couldn’t play Great Balls of Fire and even if I could, I’d best keep my ass planted firmly on the piano bench, lest I break a hip🤣🤣🤣

  26. Dora says:

    The Comrade’s latest order!

  27. votermom says:

    Flynn hearing live tweets thread
    Sullivan is being a dick

    • lyn5 says:

      Leslie McAdoo Gordon @McAdooGordon

      Are we going to call the agent who misled the FISC? Or the Deputy (McCabe) who was fired for lying? Whom they didn’t prosecute for 1001.

      Translation: we have shit for evidence, Judge.
      9:51 AM · Sep 29, 202

  28. Woke Lola says:

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  30. Gram Krakka says:

    Recall that Peter Strzok’s notes of the early Jan 2017 Oval Office meeting, reveal that former President Obama, himself directed that “the right people” investigate General Flynn.

    Mueller’s “pit bull” prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, who went after Gen. Flynn and his son, was also the special counsel attorney for the Arthur Anderson (Enron) conviction that was unnanimously overturned by the Supremes. 85,000 jobs were obliterated!

    DOJ Defends FBI Deputy Director Andrew Weissmann Against Serious Ethics Charges Pending in NY
    Posted on April 26, 2013 in: Brady Violations, Ethical Rules for Federal Prosecutors, Grievances Filed Alleging 3.8 Violations, Injustice, Prosecutorial Misconduct|Jump To Comments

    Weissmann resigned from the ETF amid allegations of prosecutorial misconduct during the Broadband part of the Enron saga. He was also the driving force behind the destruction of the Arthur Andersen accounting firm-obliterating 85,000 jobs-only to have a unanimous Supreme Court reverse the decision because Weissmann had proposed jury instructions, adopted by Judge Melinda Harmon, that had written criminal intent out of the law.

    After a partnership at the mega-firm Jenner & Block, Andrew Weissman was elevated to his current positions at the FBI by President Obama-an unusual and troubling choice in light of Weissmann’s history of disregard of the special responsibilities of the federal prosecutor.

    During his years on the Enron Task Force, Prosecutor Weissmann was widely known for intimidating witnesses, hiding evidence, and unethical and heavy-handed, if not illegal, tactics. As long as he held the power to indict, however, few dared speak out. He repeatedly threatened to indict people who contradicted his view of the Enron cases.

    Does Robert Mueller’s Lead Prosecutor Have A History Of Ethics Violations?
    These facts raise serious concerns about Andrew Weissmann’s continued service on the special counsel’s team and justify delving further into the career of the long-time federal prosecutor.

    Supreme Court overturns Arthur Andersen’s Enron conviction
    “From day one, “From day one, Andrew Weissmann and the Enron Task Force have been pushing the envelope beyond where it could go,” said Ramsey. “This is a destruction of their credibility.” and the Enron Task Force have been pushing the envelope beyond where it could go,” said Ramsey. “This is a destruction of their credibility.”

  31. elliesmom says:

    A neighbor just told me Joe was bringing his doctor with him tonight so he probably wanted the breaks so he could get more meds. I realized she thought his wife is an MD, and I couldn’t fault her for that because before Joe’s run this time, I thought she was an MD, too. Unless it’s in a higher education setting, people with Ed.Ds don’t use the title “Doctor”. It would never occur to me to introduce myself as “Dr. Elliesmom”.

    One year the high school principal was in a battle with the school committee over something so he got the bright idea of dressing the faculty up in our academic regalia and marching us out onto the football field and seating us there for graduation. The parents were astounded at how many of the faculty members had the big robes and funny hats that only doctoral degrees get you. But it’s about how teachers are paid, not how smart they are. Well, it is a little bit about being smart. To keep a certification current, teachers have to keep accruing credits. You can just take random courses, or you can plan them so they add up to an advanced degree. When I was just looking for credits, I got them to accept a summer in culinary school. Extra credits don’t get you much on the pay scale, but a master’s degree or a doctorate do. And in the education world, a lot of teachers get a CAGS, which is all of the credits of a doctorate without doing the research and writing a defending a thesis. Most pay scales count a doctorate and the CAGS as the same. Lots of teachers have CAGS.

    So I don’t know what position “Dr. Biden” had in the education world. It could mean she was a high ranking univeristy professor or a highly paid PE teacher. Nothing against PE teachers. They just don’t have a reputation for being cerebral. But if Biden keels over tonight, a PE teacher would probably be more helpful than an English teacher. All PE teachers have to be CPR certified every year.

    • SHV says:

      “So I don’t know what position “Dr. Biden”…..”
      She received her Ed.D. in “educational leadership” at age 55. Her active teaching career was as an English/reading teacher at the High School and Community College level with an emphasis on teaching children with psychiatric disorders.

      • elliesmom says:

        So when she was amassing the credits she needed to remain certified, she chose the coursework that might lead to a position as a school principal or superintendent not the school psychologist; That she was 55 says she probably amassed the credits over the years. My undergraduate degree is in physics with an emphasis in the earth sciences, but after years working in the computer field, I chose educational technology as my graduate major. I admit in the 90s the ed department in the university was pretty much computer illiterate, and while there would a computer person on the review board for my thesis, most of the people would have little idea of what I was talking about if I played my cards right. Kind of like Dr. Joyce Brothers picking “boxing” as her topic when she won the $64,000 question. Limit the scope of what you will be asked.

        • 1539days says:

          I got my Masters degree over a period of 7 years. Most was while I was unemployed and got a tuition grant. The rest was through work with tuition reimbursement. The degree is in Technology, so it’s mostly looks good on an Engineering Resume. I’ve read only douche bags put Master’s degrees in their titles.

          • elliesmom says:

            The difference between a bachelor’s degree and a master’s degree in a teacher’s paycheck is $3000 to $4000/year. A doctorate (or a CAGS) gets you $10,000-$15,000. Even if you wait until you’re older to do it, it’s worth it because it ups your retirement pension. Very few teachers get an advanced degree in the subject they teach because the education degrees are so much easier. To be honest, I’m embarrassed at how easy it was to get an Ed.D. I was working for NASA at a Challenger Center at the time, and my boss just signed off on a lot of stuff. I was allowed to request a couple of the people who would be judging my thesis, and I picked him to be one of them. I chose a project for my thesis I was already getting paid to do. Most companies won’t let employees use work product because of proprietary claims, but anything NASA does for education is in the public domain.

  32. helenk3 says:

    yes it is very strange, but it is 2020 this has been a strange year

  33. helenk3 says:

    this should be interesting.
    one has lived off the taxpayer for over 40years
    the other is a business man who has made and lost money for over 40 years

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  35. elliesmom says:

    So what’s the plan for tonight? Should I be making myself a nice leisurely dinner accompanied by a bottle of good wine because Biden is going to follow Nadler’s lead and do the equivalent thing to shitting in his pants on national TV, and this whole thing will be essentially over tonight? Or should I be making tailgate food and a coconut rum and pineapple cocktail because it’s going to be a sporting event that won’t have a champion declared yet?

    • Somebody says:

      I say prepare for both! Have dinner and wine, but prepare some munchies and cocktails for the debate! We should come up with a drinking game.

      Key words to take a drink……Covid-19? Taxes? Russia? Hunter?

      Hell, the first two will knock you put, you won’t make it past the first 30 minutes🤣🤣

      I can’t drink or I will go night, night. As it is, I’m putting on a pot of coffee tonight. Even though the pandemic has given me a LONG vacation, I’ve yet to adjust my schedule🙄 I’m up every morning 4-5am as if the grandkids are on their way and I have to get their breakfast ready and get them to the bus stop by 6am. 9pm is usually my bedtime 🤣

      I actually slept until 6am this morning, which is highly unusual. I’m hoping that and the coffee will keep me awake……I simply cannot watch the debate sitting in my recliner or my bed🤭 I plan to watch it in the man cave, big cup of coffee in hand.

      If I’m successful, you watch I’ll reset my internal clock and in 5 weeks when the grandkids return I’ll play hell getting up……I’ll be zombie Gigi the month of November 🙄

    • 1539days says:

      I’m eating a big ole bowl of Goya rice and beans with some chicken.

  36. SHV says:

    This has to be a first:
    “National Guard prepared for protests in Cleveland ahead of Trump-Biden debate”

  37. Mothy67 says:

    I watched Game of Thrones on a 32″ tv when it originally aired. I broke down during covid and got a 60″ high def. Wow its like watching a different show. It is stunning like a big budget movie. My vizio was one of the first smart tvs. I was pretty judgy about large flat screens. Well eat my words. It is such a different experience.
    I think there will be a lot of unintended consequences after covid. Financially some are going to take a hit. Teens may go see Fast & Furious or Avengers but there is no need for an adult to drop the cash at theater when you can get the experience at home. Horror and comedy are enhanced by the group experience, but a script driven film I find more enjoyable at home. Right now they are charging about 20 to buy a new release. That is less than two tickets at luxury theater.
    My niece Lexi finished her bullshit classes. She is in nursing, but had to take a few generic courses like sociology 101, American Lit 101. Intro classes that you can likely pass a final without ever opening a book or attending a class. I didn’t know what building my Contemporary American History class was in. I never went and I lived on campus. People drove to school. I wrote some blah, blah, blah about Jane Fonda and changing view points. I did no research just babbled about a vixen and politics. I got an A. That fruitless class cost back in 1987 around 3,000 dollars. It strikes me as theft. Lex has finished all her core requirements. She did the work but it is not yet out of September. A normal school year she would waste an hour on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday an hour for a semester at a cost of 5 grand a class. I can respect humanity studies, but intro classes are a joke.
    Her American Lit class had her reading Shakespeare and Marlowe. Huh? ENGLISH playwrights being discussed as the foundation for a class about the American novel
    Shaypup is in four of her classes with the lunch ladies child. Nay (Naomi). School uses the alphabet. Shay is L to Z. She and Naomi are the only kids in advanced classes. They finished the work. They were given their own pace. They are athletes. They got it done. Nay is the genius. Shay can be at the top with work. Nay is just there. She is gifted. Math stuff will blow you out of the water. Shayla Rayne competes with respect. Participation trophies are not in our vocab. Shayhas gone to events at Carnegie Mellon and met with state Senators. She is not a shrinking violet. Tough kid. She respects Nay. They spent the last two weeks of August on a lake. School makes them wear masks and sit across the room. They slept in the same bed on a boat on lake Erie. There are only 2 girls in advanced biology. Shay and Nay!.
    How will education change. Naomi and Shayla finished the whole year. They needed a month not five days a week for an hour for a year. Will we teach or be open to teaching children based on ability and not this age forced definition of education?
    In all sincerity(sp?) I think my crud and her cohorts ( boys and girls) are deeper thinkers than any of those I once called friend. My elitists disgust me. They are like Rachel Maddow. Zero compassion. 100% judgement. Libs think they are allowed to hate. They never reflect. I see diminished capacity. I would cherish a tete a tete with a proggie. Tell me to my face that I am racist, sexist, homophobic,, xenophobic. Fun to reflect on Beyonce and Sugarland. You must know bout mr

    • elliesmom says:

      “Back in the day” we tracked kids in school. Kids were grouped according to their ability to succeed at different levels. Some kids made the top classes because they were naturally smart. Other kids made it because they worked their Tracking started in the upper elementary school grades. The classes weren’t “designated”, but the kids figured out pretty quickly which kids were in the fasttrack , and which kids were moving more slowly. The longer you were tracked, the harder it was to move up because the curriculum was often different.

      In the late 60s SJWs realized the top tracks in schools were not representative of the racial mix in most schools. Rather than address the reasons why minority students were under-represented in top tier classes, schools abolished tracking. I was in high school when it happened. All of sudden kids who were A students in 3rd tier classes found themselves sitting in classes next to the A students in the top tier classes. To say it was a social nightmare for all of the kids is an understatement. If you were a hardworking A student and overnight became a hardworking C student, it was a hard pill to swallow. If you were a top tier student being challenged everyday, school felt like it had been dumbed down. Kids aren’t always tactful. My high school solved it by releasing their best students to become part-time college students in the short term. By the time my brother got to high school all vestiges of tracking were gone. I don’t know if kids still had the option to go to college part-time because, well, he and I are very different people.

      I studied how this came about philosophically in education classes 30 years later. By the time I taught high school, the “tracking issue” had been solved by naming classes different things. If you call one class Biology 1 and another Botany and Zoology 1, then even if kids are steered into one or the other based on their abilities, you haven’t legally tracked them. You can offer Ancient History or Western Civilization 1 as freshman history classes. You can offer US History as 1 year class or as a 2 year course. You can offer kids Algebra I in a single year or Algebra 1A and 1B over two years. If kids and their parents make the choices, then no one has been “tracked”. Are minority kids still missing from the most challenging classes? Yes, because the issue of why has never been addressed 50 years later.

      This is a very long answer to your post, but the short version is Shay’s school has in all likelihood done the same thing. You have to do your homework. Algrebra ! and Algebra II are two different classes. Algebra A and Algebra B are Algebra ! for slower students. Biology ! is the smart kid class. Botany and Zoology is not. The names might be different in Shay’s school so you need to find out what the “system” is for sorting the kids. A guidance counselor will have figured out a legal way to clue you in.

    • 1539days says:

      When I was in school, they used to accelerate kids who did well, which just meant I ended up taking Sophomore classes with Juniors along with a few other nerds. None of my classes got me a leg up in college and I mostly got a degree with an extra 10 HS credits.

      I haven’t seen a non-blockbuster since Birdman in the theaters. The problem with VOD is there’s no money in it and when (some) theaters open back up, people will want to see a new movie instead of waiting 2 months to see it on demand. I think there will be a resurgence in “going out” for a couple of years after the panic virus is over.

      Education is another matter. A lot of parents use school as a way to watch the kids while they’re at work. Where I live, they may use Zoom to give lessons over snow days so the teachers can get the longest Summer break possible. The main thing is that for the working class, COVID changed very little. People generally went to their manufacturing, grocery store and municipal jobs. Now, they’re going back to their restaurant jobs as well. If they closed the schools, the buildings would be re-opened as child care.

  38. Mothy67 says:

    Great song

  39. lyn5 says:

    • lyn5 says:

      Leslie McAdoo Gordon

      Gleeson now just stirring the pot; his florid Trump Derangement Syndrome on full display. He’s clearly offended by DJT’s inflamatory style. Based on that, he extrapolates that the motion is corrupt. “The only inference” Sullivan can draw is they yielded to pressure.
      11:21 AM · Sep 29, 2020

      • lyn5 says:

        At this point, I want all coup plotters dead.

      • lyn5 says:

        • lyn5 says:

          Leslie McAdoo Gordon@McAdooGordon

          Gleeson says the govt request would wrap the court in misconduct. He says the executive branch’s right to dismiss is a qualified right. It brings the court into public disrepute basically. (He’s just wrong about that.)

          • lyn5 says:

            Leslie McAdoo Gordon @McAdooGordon

            “Since when does it matter if the investigation” is predicated. Meaningless administrative things. This is really the wrong way to look at it. The entire criminal justice system rests on the premise that we only investigate allegations of crime; we don’t investigate people.

    • taw46 says:

      I have listened to a lot of this today. It is making me ill.

  40. Mothy67 says:

    What does it mean/ signify when you start really caring about your parents? My dad died but I have started to really care about my mother. I want to protect her. I don’t care about 1984 when she beat me in the head with uncooked spaghetti. I did broken bones. Some harsh stuff. My nose was often splattered on my face. I made it through the rain. Oh my mom hated the fags. That was then this is now. It was so much fun being hated by parents. You wanna garnish a few open hearts and trachs with a kid that loves Caro!e King. Iam asshole. My mom ismy best friend.

    • elliesmom says:

      Forgiving and forgetting are two different things. You don’t have to forget to forgive. When you do decide to forgive, it often does more for the person doing the forgiving than for the person being forgiven. When someone has hurt you, it’s not a bad thing to remember. It keeps us from letting them hurt us again. But it doesn’t have to keep us from releasing ourself from carrying around the weight.

      • Mothy67 says:

        Always thankful on this rugged old road I met Elliesmom. Kisses from here to eternity plus a day.

      • Mothy67 says:

        I doubt any of you know what you have given me. It is profound. I got the strength to stand with my kid by my kid because you people shared. I learned tons. I have even grown by Dandy dropping off a song after midnight. Learning to listen is in my view the most challenging amazing thing. I have grown by letting myself listen. I spent years of my life guarded. You do not learn if you are not vulnerable. I am a better person because some of you shared. I wonder if Ann knows that we were worried when her son was in Spain. We all see Hank galloping with Ellie. We have been here for over a decade. It is not throw away shit. We know Special Greg. We know vmoms kty , kte. We know klowns mom.
        I am a better person because I know you people. Somebody with a sick child. Taw with idiots. I have grown because of you.

        • taw46 says:

          Lol at me with idiots. A town full of them! Although I have been surprised to see Trump supporters come out on some local FB pages. They are fed up after the covid bs and no longer give a damn what people say about them.

        • Jadzia says:

          I love our crazy cast of characters!

  41. Angie says:

    Ho Lee Phuc

    Now watch the media ignore it.

  42. lyn5 says:

    Leslie McAdoo Gordon @McAdooGordon

    Again, it’s just the two narratives crashing into each other. Sullivan and Sidney are on opposite poles.

  43. Myiq2xu says:

  44. taw46 says:

    More funny business with the ballots.

  45. Dora says:

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  48. Dora says:

    They are making a joke of this prize!


    Joe Biden Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize, Joining Trump, Putin

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  50. Sunoma69 says:

    What a positive thing for Trump!!!
    The New York Times release of Trump’s tax returns shows he is not using his office for personal profit. Compare this to Hillary or Barack or those in Congress. Biden has taught his crookedness to his son. Trump is so impressive with this, he may be a first for twenty-first century US politiciams/

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  52. elliesmom says:

    We need Bingo cards for the debate.

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