Open Thready, second attempt 😛

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187 Responses to War!

  1. Anthony says:

    Brought up from downstairs because I’m still on the #warpath after reading her FB post:

    Where the fuck was THAT attitude for the past four years?? Shove it, Alyssa. We’re going to serve you the same crap you tried ramming down our throats since 2016. You’ll get it every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Since I had a few weeks off, WP changed a few things so after finding out there was a “classic post” option, clicked on that to get my link to publish in the preview. Much easier for a non-classic “blogho” who tends to need a more spontaneous methods for hit and run posting 😀

      Ms. Alyssa is certainly taking a hit in the comments, I’m sure she’ll be locking them again because Evil Trumpies ruin everything for her ! I sure miss Andrew and sad no one ever could replace his spirit of the gutter fights. So fearless and made my transition away from the leftards so easy back then. I embrace War! now, they started it. Now waiting to see will it be revolutionary or civil 😀

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  2. DandyTIger says:

    In case Biden actually makes it there….

  3. DandyTIger says:

    Also if Biden does: #resist #notmypresident

  4. Anthony says:

    Lets hope things don’t go this far, but in the event they do… 😄

  5. jadzia1971 says:

    Have people started their Thanksgiving cooking yet? Our government is telling lies about how we are totally deconfined now. In reality, everything is the same except businesses can open (and to compensate them for the 4 months of forced shutdowns they endured this year, they can have the princely sum of 10,000 euros or 20% of their usual profit for that time frame), and of course reopening is banned for EVERY PLACE I ACTUALLY GO (ie, dance class, climbing gym, and restaurants).

    So Thanksgiving is my kids, my man, and his kid and that’s it because after playing the cartoon villainess of the quartier for most of 2020, I don’t trust my neighbors not to drop a dime on me. In for a penny in for a pound, I always say–so I bought a bunch of face masks that say things like “THIS IS BULLSHIT” and “OBEY” for my daily dog walks.

    So far we’ve done the herb butter (to put under the turkey skin), the maple cranberry sauce, and the turkey broth (which is cooking as we speak). Tomorrow is a more-shopping day. The serious cooking is on Friday because we celebrate on Saturday.

    I’m a little worried about the pumpkin pie, as this is the first time I’ve ever done one completely from scratch (ie, no puree or filling from a can).

    • jadzia1971 says:

      My sympathy for ONE of our small businesses waned a bit when I discovered I can’t get a hair appointment until DECEMBER 28 AT THE EARLIEST because apparently they don’t feel like reopening until then. There is one other salon in my town whose owner on Facebook INSTANTLY after the government announcement saying hey ladies, time to make appointments! Fingers crossed. I’ve got scraggly old hippie hair going on right now and I. Am. Done.

      • jadzia1971 says:

        Also the pizza place that won’t deliver, and allows pickup (reserved by phone only, not by text or electronic message or, you know, showing up) from 630-830 three nights a week. How the hell do these people stay in business? I’d rather patronize the locals than Uber Eats, but it’s roadblock after roadblock.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Just in case you need help with the cranberries 😀

    • Anthony says:

      Eye round roast on rotisserie, haricots verts and Gratin Dauphinois. Will be swilling Maker’s Mark right out of the bottle from prep to carving.

      • jadzia1971 says:


      • Woke Lola says:

        We’re also having eye round prepped and cooked as prime rib. Roasted potatoes and brussels sprouts and deviled eggs to finish it off. Copious amounts of pot before and after.

          • Somebody says:

            I’m cooking a traditional Thanksgiving, but adding white peach margaritas to the menu this year instead of wine…..or in addition to, whatever floats anyone’s boat. I felt 2020 deserved something stronger than wine😉

            I have two pies in the fridge. I make a pumpkin chocolate chips cake every year for Thanksgiving. It’s made and frosted. The last couple of years I’ve tweaked it trying to make it healthier, this year I was like screw it where’s the sugar😉

            I already made my cranberry sauce, cooked up some turkey parts so I have broth and meat for stuffing and dressing…..I make both, gotta make everyone happy😉 I’ll put the turkey in brine in a few hours. Other than that I’m going to prep as much as I can today by pre-chopping things so in the morning I’m at ready, set go.

            No big crowd this year, just my kids and grandkids. I’ve been trying to get them to play the board game pandemic since covid started and I’ve yet to have any takers. I’m hoping the margaritas will help convince them🤣 They all want to play cards against humanity, which I’m fine with…..but doggone it, we’re in the middle of a pandemic, what better time to play pandemic?

          • Anthony says:

            You had me at white peach margaritas 🍑 🍹

          • Somebody says:

            Well come on down😉

      • Angie says:

        You’re too fancy.
        We are all getting a Covid test then going to my mom’s for fried turkey, oyster dressing, green bean casserole (the white trash kind, not the French kind), Cajun dirty rice, candied yams, roasted brussel sprouts and homemade cranberry sauce (my contribution, I learned how to make it a few years back & it has replaced the from the can version).
        And of course a pecan pie & a sweet potato pie.

        We also get some bread & always forget to put it out until everyone is almost finished. It’s a pretty carb heavy meal anyway.

        • Miranda says:

          We’re doing chili in the crockpot.

        • Anthony says:

          My mouth is watering just reading your menu. Especially the dirty rice. I first had that at K Paul’s restaurant here in the city years ago and lived it. I tried to make it a million times; always different, always good but never as good as his. Is there a secret?

        • Somebody says:

          Oyster dressing, my daddy loved oyster anything. My kids won’t go within 10 feet of oysters, wish I was closer I’d ask for a wee bit for myself😋

          For years I made homemade rolls and used a turkey cookie cutter, so we had turkey rolls. Had a late in life baby as you know, so I made those for decades. A few years ago, I decided you know brown-n-serve are good enough. Every year for the past 4 or 5 years I get crap about not having “turkey rolls”, ditto Christmas tree rolls🙄

          Angie I hope you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

    • Constance says:

      Gosh making you own pumpkin filling is going to be tough. You know Libby’s has been cross breeding pumpkins for years and only grows their specific type pumpkin which no one else has permission to grow. Their pumpkin is far better than any competitors I can find. I’ll be curious how your pies come out.

      • When I make punkin pies I use a secret ingredient: Sara Lee.

        Preheat oven
        Add 2 Sara Lee pumpkin pies
        remove from oven
        Serve with Cool Whip.

        • jadzia1971 says:

          ha ha no cool whip here either

        • foxyladi14 says:

          Quicker yet, We are going to my daughter’s house! 😀

          • Somebody says:

            You lucky duck! I keep waiting for my adult kids to take the reins, but nope hasn’t happened. I promise I will not be offended, throw me in that briar patch. If I live to be 100, I think I’ll spend every holiday in the kitchen cooking🙄 I was a decade younger than my two oldest when I was hosting massive extended family gatherings.

      • John Denney says:

        I love pumpkin pie, and often buy cheap pumpkins after Halloween. Even though they’re for Jack-O-Lanterns, they still make a fine pumpkin pie.
        Use a big sharp, thin bladed knife or Chinese cleaver to cut into inch thick wedges (lengthwise) or rounds (crosswise), then peel them by laying them on a cutting board and making vertical cuts to chip off the peel. (It can now be cut into thin chips & dried in the oven, then stored in the cupboard in a ziploc bag for use in soups & chili.)
        Cut into 1 inch chunks, microwave or steam until soft, then potato masher them, and use the result as if it were canned pumpkin.
        Pumpkins developed specifically for pie may be sweeter, but a bit more sugar in your recipe will compensate.

    • 1539days says:

      We haven’t had more than 5 people at a Thanksgiving dinner in the last couple of decades now. With just 2 in the house it will be the Denny’s special again by delivery. This is not a COVID thing because we’ve done it before. A few years ago I had a bigger spread, but this time it will be a take out meal and some extra stuffing and mashed potatoes to get that quality bloating on.

  6. lyn5 says:

  7. DeniseVB says:

    What fresh hell? Timing is everything, why settle now? Seth is trending, botched robbery it is and Hillary and Obama are again off the hook.

  8. Somebody says:

    Sort of a change of subject from the election, take this for what you will. Background, my sister retired a decade ago from FDA. She was fairly high up in administration at a regional office. Previous to that she was a swamp dweller and had an even higher position in a different swamp agency. To this day she keeps in touch with former colleagues and employees. She retired early for personal reasons…..May to December marriage to a real swamp creature.

    So that’s my source, again she’s not there, not in the day to day of goings on. She’s had a keen interest in the vaccine development and has had many conversations with former colleagues and employees. She shared snippets with me yesterday. None of the people she talked to are current high ranking officials at FDA, they are a layer beneath that and some even a layer or two beneath the 2nd layer, they are all cogs in the wheel. Another pertinent piece of information, these individuals either are full on Trump supporters or late to the party supporters because POTUS has impressed them. None of them are Trump haters, there is bias in just about everything so I’m telling you up front the viewpoint of these sources.

    OK, now for the little bit of information I have. Operation warp speed according to these sources was one of the most genius things this administration has done and the sources are shocked that kudos aren’t being liberally handed out by media, the hill and the public. Yes short cuts were taken, but only administrative short cuts no scientific short cuts. A team went line by line, page by page through red tape and regulations. The impression was given that POTUS himself did some of this as well as other well known administrative names.

    This team shortened timelines that these underlings were thrilled to see bureaucratic time lines. Report lands on person A’s desk, person A has 30 days to stamp it and log it then passes it on to person B who has 30 days to enter it into system X, then person C gets it and checks and cross checks ABC and enters it into system Y, then months later it gets to the desk of Honcho F who signs off on whatever and it moves through a similar process in another area. (This is made up so as not to name departments and procedures, but you get my drift)

    It was this type of bureaucratic stuff that was condensed and let me be clear there is a purpose to those things, but the long process is not necessary it is just the nature of a bureaucracy. Many down in the bowels are cheering the changes as long past due. Companies invest large sums of money and wait years while wading through this process.

    This WH team basically went line by line, page by page……brought in the personnel had experts on both sides pro and con. So in my example above, they’d say why does person A need 30 freaking days to stamp a report as received? What’s reasonable? Team Trump says 1 hour, person A has 1 hour to stamp the damn thing. The bureaucracy says no, no, no A could do it in 3 weeks, 2 if the sun and moon align. They argue and end up settling on one week, all sides agree, that is critical to understand, they made sure they had agreement and buy in from everyone.

    So that is how they shortened the time line, early on a lot of fist banging and battles. The trials followed standard procedures, as we witnessed because of shortened time line any adverse reports everything is halted while the adverse event is investigated.

    More to follow

    • jadzia1971 says:

      That’s comforting to hear that the “warp speed” part of it was primarily administrative in nature. I’m not an anti-vaxxer by any means, but I’m REALLY leery of getting injected with the first generation of a vaccine that was developed on the fly under political pressure from almost every government in the world. Especially because COVID ain’t Ebola.

      Interestingly, almost all of the Internet commenting I’m seeing in this country (and I’m talking about comments on mainstream news pieces, not conservative outlets) is from people who are reluctant to be first in line for the vaccine. Which is weird, because on every other “pandemic” related issue, people here are pretty panicky and “wear the damn mask” and “you have no right to go to church” and “oh, it’s all the teenagers’ fault” and that sort of thing.

      • Somebody says:

        My sister is not big into vaccines herself. She doesn’t get the flu shot generally because it’s rarely very effective and through her job she’s read a lot of reports about “issues” and adverse effects.

        When my kids were little if they were put on a prescription I hated to tell her. She’d look up every possible weird side effect, stuff that never makes it into the warning publications. Which to be fair to her, once my oldest daughter had a weird issue so I called my sis. Man oh man, important people were calling. I took my daughter to where I was told to, all sorts of tests. You may have heard of her weird reaction it’s a whole syndrome known as SJS. Turns out SJS can be triggered by a lot of drugs.

    • Somebody says:

      Now the scientific side, as I said trials followed long established protocol. There was a difference here too. Instead of gaps between phases they went in rapid succession, this is not unheard of and not the first time this has been done by a long stretch. However, generally speaking there is usually a bit of a pause between phases.

      To be clear, trials followed protocol and oversight and study of those phases followed protocol except on the administrative bureaucracy side of it…..it was chop, chop gets this to the decision makers to the experts to review the data.

      My sister who investigates the source of any prescription she gets. Never, ever eats food from certain sources. Can tell you horror stories that will assure you never eat seafood imported from China. Is a complete germophobe, she said based on her conversations tracking the progress of these vaccines would willingly get one as soon as she is eligible. She knew from the get go my mother and her husband are in the high risk category and would be first on the list to be vaccinated.

      So she has made it her mission to use the inside sources she has to track the progress. As I said she has the background, so she knows exactly where the short cuts were and what, if any implications they might have. She says she has complete confidence in the vaccines. She told me she has more specifics on each one, the science behind them, etc. Our conversation yesterday was fairly brief, there was a big medical pow wow regarding my mom (more issues). But sis told me we’ll get together and she’ll give me everything she has on each and I can decide. If/when that happens I’ll share.

      This information is solely related to current vaccines approved or close to being approved. She finds it hard to believe a Biden administration would reverse this or otherwise hamper it, but a Biden administration could impact vaccines and/or therapeutics in the pipeline not yet approved.

      • helenk3 says:

        thank you for the info on the vacine. good info to know

      • 1539days says:

        So, the MSNBC crowd is saying the companies not in the “Warp Speed” program are getting their vaccines out at the same time, ergo Trump did nothing. Am I right in assuming that this is because every drug company can follow these expedited FDA protocols and if they want US money, they need to follow them to get their vaccines out ASAP?

        • Somebody says:

          Yes warp speed administrative time shortening applies to any vaccine or therapeutic to fight covid. However, if the company is not an official part of warp speed I don’t think the government contracted to have 10’s of millions and in some cases 100 million or more doses manufactured simultaneously to the approval process.

          That was a big gamble of taxpayer money because we could have purchased millions upon millions of a worthless vaccine. I’m sure there was a lot of “fine print” and strings attached, hence why not all companies chose to go that route.

  9. Angie says:

    • lyn5 says:

      Yeah, Democrats will cheat with abandon in 2024 if they get away with 2020.

      • Constance says:

        Well next time Trumpites can put an escalation algorithm in the machines. It will be …The election that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends. Some people started counting it not knowing what it was and they’ll continue counting it forever just because it is the election that doesn’t end,,,,,,,

  10. taw46 says:

    Beautiful children.

  11. helenk3 says:


    what this whole pandemic and stolen election is really about

  12. foxyladi14 says:

    The Pennsylvania Republican Senate Majority Policy Committee meeting is set for 12:30 p.m. EST

  13. helenk3 says:

    random thought
    will harris obey jarrett or not

    • Constance says:

      Can Military intelligence take Jarrett out with the election rigging? I’d say they won’t get Biden or Harris, Obama, Clinton….. on rigging but they should be able to take out Jarrett.

      • Anthony says:

        I dunno about that. Soros installed her grandfather as head of Chicago HUD, she inherited his seat. Also, she’s Iranian by birth (born in Shiraz) and I suspect she’s the major hand in the Iran Deal. Don’t ever underestimate her power – she’s the one who groomed and installed the dog eater.

  14. helenk3 says:


    looks like bid-on and the benedicts want at least 4 more years of war in the ME

  15. helenk3 says:

    another error in bid-on’s favor. funny how not one machine error favored trump

  16. taw46 says:

  17. Gram Krakka says:

    In Californicate strip clubs are deemed essential, churches are not. Per Huckabee’s suggestion, pastor strips off his tie while dancing to the old burlesque stripper song while his flock waves their collection plate dollars at him. Stripping starts at about 2:55 mark of video of his performance (sermon).


    • jadzia1971 says:

      I shoulda scrolled up before posting. I’ve never listened to a Protestant sermon before. It’s really, really good.

  18. lyn5 says:

  19. BjornTheBorg says:

    I’ve taken to the Democrat nominee as “Joe Bidet”. Some of my liberal co-workers are not amused.

  20. lyn5 says:

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  22. votermom says:

    my president

  23. foxyladi14 says:

    true story

  24. threewickets says:

    The Monarchy is the Klan, the people with the pointy hats. They obviously look different without the pointy hats … they have faces and stuff. They lie like they have tourettes. Watch Bill Clinton. He can’t stop his mouth. It just goes and goes. It’s a condition.

  25. helenk3 says:


    bid-on’s picks make it very clear that America is last to them

  26. Dora says:

    • Jentx says:

      Mic drop. And I’ve already texting Santa my wish list – May every traitor to this country republican-democrat and in between go straight to hell today. And God bless America.

  27. Angie says:

    PA hearing where Trump team presented evidence to PA legislators of fraud that affected outcome of election seems to have gone well.

    BTW, left is calling this a “fake hearing” because it was at a conference room. Don’t listen to them. Open meetings law applied because this was a meeting where members of PA state legislature received information. They did not take any action & taking action is NOT required for it to be a valid hearing.

  28. votermom says:

  29. Angie says:

  30. Dora says:

  31. votermom says:

    OFFS got a COVID 19 ALERT on my phone


  32. foxyladi14 says:

    My President. ❤

  33. John Denney says:

    Sydney Powell was to file an epic lawsuit in GA today, but I’ve seen nothing about it yet.

    In my mind I’m hearing General Jar-Jar Binks commanding, “Release-a de Crackin’!”

    • mcnorman says:

      Delicious isn’t it?

    • Constance says:

      She did say most likely she would file today but that it was a huge document together. But it is past 6pm eastern time.

      • taw46 says:

        Yes, she said that to Lou Dobbs last night about filing in GA. I was really hoping it would be done today, but now we wait for Friday.

        • Angie says:

          I read tomorrow somewhere.
          Now with federal courts (and most state courts) doing electronic filings, you can file at odd hours & on holidays. No need to go to the clerk’s office.

          In fact, Federal system requires electronic filing unless you need an accommodation (ie, you are an individual representing yourself or something like that).

          • jadzia1971 says:

            Back in California in the Before Times, we would hire motorcycle guys to messenger all our filings to LA Superior. Hard to believe now that I do all my filings at night in my jammies.

      • mcnorman says:

        Twatter in the knows say it will be filed tonight before midnighrt. They are talking about a biblical bullseye on the fraud.

  34. Angie says:

  35. Angie says:

    Is this something?

    • Constance says:

      Flynn had been saying he didn’t want a pardon he wanted the Justice Department to formally end their harassment. But Flynn is under some sort of gag order and he may be feeling like talking now. Anyway the “Justice Department” had their chance.

      • taw46 says:

        The DOJ dropped all charges back in May, but Judge Sullivan refused to let it go. The appellate court did tell him in August to end it soon and yet here we are. Everyone preferred the dismissal from Sullivan, but after almost 7 months, it was time for the pardon.

      • lyn5 says:

        Yep. Screw the DOJ and Obama’s butt boy Sullivan!

      • Constance says:

        Maybe this is wishful thinking but I read somewhere (and I read some weird stuff) that Trump planned to dump Barr and put Flynn in a Attorney General. I don’t know if Flynn is qualified or not.

        • Somebody says:

          I don’t think Flynn is an attorney and also Flynn would have to get senate approval to be AG or most any job unless it is a WH job, even some of those require approval.

          If, if, if he could get Flynn senate approved, Flynn could take over as DNI and Radcliffe who is an attorney and former prosecutor could slide over to AG. I don’t see the senate approving Flynn for anything, that would be worse than Kavanaugh. If Flynn returns it will be to an inner circle WH job.

          • elliesmom says:

            If the Senate goes into recess, Trump could appoint Flynn something. Flynn would be whatever Trump appointed him to until the next session of the Senate ended. So let’s say the Senate goes into recess before Christmas and stays in recess until the new Senate is seated January 2nd. Trumps make Flynn something. Then Flynn would hold that position until the Senate went into recess again, which if Trump is re-elected could be a long time. Long enough for Flynn to get some serious work done. If the Republicans lose the Senate, then the Democrats could put the Senate into recess to end Flynn’s tenure, but there’s more to going into recess than just taking a weekend off.

            “The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the end of their next Session” (II, 2, 3).”

    • Jentx says:

      When wanted the charges dismissed which means he was unfairly prosecuted and was guilty of nothing which is the truth but the assholes who appear to be holding all of us hostage won this battle 2 and Trump decided to Pardon him on the off-chance that he might not be able to later. It is a pale victory but we must take what we get these days. I’m trying to remain optimistic but I was sad that Miss Powell’s lawsuit was not filed today and that the media did not cover the hearing in Pennsylvania. It is a classic fight is Good vs Evil we need to win this one though because if we don’t the skirmishes that will follow will be meaningless. Despite it being Thanksgiving I have only hatred for every elected politician especially the Republicans who are making the fight harder. I hope in their hearts they know that it won’t be worth it in the long run we will never vote for them again and the hell that waits for them the Eternal Hell will be worse than they can ever imagine. I find myself crying all the time. It is depressing to know it’s so many people are so horrible. I remember when I was very young and somebody told me you have to pick your fights I thought about it for a small second and I responded shouldn’t you always find when the battle needs to be won. When is it okay to leave a wounded soldier behind when is it okay to turn a blind eye the suffering when is it okay to go along to get along. I can answer that question unequivocally it is never okay to choose not to fight the good fight it is just a way humans rationalize being assholes. I may go down isn’t failure but they will never say that I did not fight the good fight. I wish that I could tell President Trump how much I love him how much he matters and what a fine person he is in a world of assholes. Tomorrow I will deliver meals to Veterans who have such severe PTSD most of them do not leave the house they all love President Trump I will not cry on the outside. I will tell them what it’s in my heart which is we will win we will leave no soldiers behind we will never turn a blind eye to an atrocity and we will go down as Heroes no matter what.

  36. Constance says:

    OH! Trumps legal team just filed a law suit in Georgia, separate from Sidney Powell.

  37. mcnorman says:

    Our shitehole sanctuary village has just sent out a stay at home on Thanksgiving Day alert. The county judge got his ass handed to him on a platter for shutting the county down until Dec. 1. TX Supreme Court told him which way to bend over, yet he persists. Democrats never learn.

    • Somebody says:

      In Jacksonville they extended the mask mandate and sent out a notice on Twitter, FB, etc. Governor DeSantis immediately extended his executive order mandating no fines or punishment for non-mask wearing and sent out a tweet etc., to that effect🤣🤣

      My county doesn’t have a mandate, but it might as well. Pretty much all the stores require masks. Although because of the Governor’s order you can’t be fined or jailed, stores have the right to have you removed just as they do for no shoes no shirt. In some areas in the state the police jack with people and usually find a reason to arrest them for resisting arrest🙄 So they aren’t arrested for not wearing a mask, no it’s for resisting arrest🙄

      Most of that kind of stuff happens in places like Broward. It’s not happening here. Our sheriff said his deputies are not the mask police or the social distancing police.

      We have no restrictions on Thanksgiving here, but we weren’t planning on a crowd anyway. My gathering I think would be allowed in any state.

      I’m glad to see more and more people fighting back in some of these states with dictators.

  38. Angie says:

    This is true.
    But I’d add New Hampshire

  39. Angie says:

    Not conceding

  40. lyn5 says:

    U.S. Senators Ed Markey (D-Mass.) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) announced legislation Wednesday aimed to bring mask mandates to the entire U.S., saying that “overwhelming scientific evidence” has shown that masks reduce the spread of Covid-19, which is now taking a grim toll on the country at levels never before seen.


    • Anthony says:

      We’ve been wearing masks since March. For all practical purposes, its December. The numbers “keep going up” (🙄). Whats the solution? MORE MASKS!!!! What in gay fucking hell is wrong with these people??

    • SHV says:

      ““overwhelming scientific evidence” has shown that masks reduce the spread of Covid-19,”
      I would like to see references to the “scientific evidence”. Every study that I have seen have shown that masks are minimally to not effective. The recent Danish randomized study show minimal benefit and a recent review of tens of thousands of health care workers showed, no surprise, that they have three times the rate of infection compared to general population and PPE usage seemed to have no benefit.

      • 1539days says:

        Plus, realistically, HC workers are not following the impossible to follow protocols all the time. How do you wash your hands before and after you change your mask? If you’re doing it in a bathroom, it’s just a petri dish of viruses.

      • Woke Lola says:

        I get to listen in on my husband’s meetings with our state health department, and they are openly telling their employees that they wear masks for the psychological benefit of the people tested.

  41. 1539days says:

    So, my current theory on COVID vs. lock down / masks is this.
    When the virus first hit, the people who were locked up and hospitalized were symptomatic. There were no tests at the beginning and asymptomatic people continued to go out (especially to do “essential” jobs). The asymptomatic people (or most likely the ones who had minimal symptoms) spread the disease, but slightly mutated versions that wasn’t as severe. Basically, bad virus gets hidden away with less chance to spread, less bad virus gets to run free. The result is the less bad virus is prevalent.

    So, lock down isn’t working, fear is. In March / April, people really didn’t know who had it, how bad it was or how it was spread. That started to wain as people learned more and got tired of the lock downs. In a condition where one person can spread it to 100, it’s pretty much impossible to stop the spread. That’s why it’s a pandemic.

    The good news is that enlightened self-interest is pretty effective. Once Cuomo and other governors stopped re-introducing an undefined virus into nursing homes, older people could be locked down. Plus, the world has ways to treat viral infections without vaccines if they know how they work. Every year people die from the flu even before they get a chance to take the vaccine. So far, we haven’t locked down the country or wear masks half the year like China.

    • elliesmom says:

      There is no evidence asymptomatic people can spread the cooties. It doesn’t mean they can’t, but no one who has tried to prove they do has come up with conclusive evidence, or any evidence except people who get cooties can’t pinpoint where they got it. The idea that asymptomatic people can make other people sick is the basis for making people wear masks. If you take away the unsubstantiated idea that asymptomatic people can spread the disease, then you have no basis for a mask mandate.

  42. votermom says:

  43. Angie says:

    Justice Roberts didn’t join the 3 liberals; Justice Roberts is a liberal

    • votermom says:

      Roberts is a fucking bushie cuck whore

    • lyn5 says:

      What a dick.

    • lateblum says:

      Yes. Roberts is a liberal – or he’s still being threatened and/or blackmailed by liberals.

    • elliesmom says:

      I have a question- Do the justices discuss how they are going to come down on a case before a decision is made? Did Roberts know he wasn’t casting the deciding vote before he cast it? If he’s a flaming liberal, then the answer to my question doesn’t make all that much difference. If all of the speculation about someone “having something on him” is true, then in this case, it wouldn’t have mattered which way he decided, and he could have agreed with the conservative majority and quelled some of the suspicion. Assuming he’s being blackmailed in some way, one would expect there could be more 6/3 decions without angering the blackmailer given the new make-up of the Court. I assume Roberts doesn’t live in a bubble and knows about the rumors. Personally, I think he’s a liberal. It fits Occam’s Razor better.

      • Angie says:

        My understanding is that the Chief Justice assigns who will write the majority opinion based on a vote after discussion of the case. However the Justices can still try to persuade each other to change their position before the final opinion is issued & often what was supposed to be the majority opinion becomes the dissent.
        That happened with the Obamacare case –Scalia’s majority opinion became the dissent after Roberts decided the mandate was a “tax” to save it. The liberals had no problem concurring with that farce to make it the majority opinion.

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    BREAKING: Phill Kline, former Kansas Attorney General & current Director of the Amistad Project: “We already have suits in 6 states, but we’re filing more based on this new data. A series of decisions at the local level, funded & encouraged by the flow of $350M of Mark Zuckerburg
    2. monies that allowed for the infusion of these questionable or fraudulent ballots into the stream to be counted. The analysis, using gov’t data and then calling out to voters, asking them about their behavior and getting them to sign affidavits, is that in EACH ONE
    3. of these swings states, there are 100’s of thousands of ballots in question. In addition to the ballots in WI [up to 150k improperly filed/counted] we’ve identified over 12,000 Republicans who voted, whose votes were not counted according to the state’s data. So what you had
    4. was $350M coming in, the creation of all this drop-box, consolidated counting centers in the urban core around the nation, Zuckerburg money paying the election judges & officials inside the rooms, and then Republicans in America kicked out of the counting room. That cannot
    5. stand & should not stand as a fair and integral election … Mark Zuckerburg’s monies alone matched the federal gov’t appropriations for elections this year. $400M. Google also gave money to this effort. We now have evidence pursuant to court order … that they actually told
    6. local election officials how to manage the election in these core Democrat areas where you see all the problems. That was Zuckerburg and a group called “The Center for Tech & Civic Life”. I give you this thought: They told America we need to consolidate counting centers, for
    7. COVID! We’re going to create a crowd, to protect us … from COVID! That makes no sense. The reason they did it, is because they didn’t want Republicans to see, and they wanted to infuse fraudulent ballots … and they did it.”
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    Suit filed in GA today. 200k ballots.

  48. Mothy67 says:

    The kids here are not returning to school unti spring at the earliest. I may look into the charter school. We are still at one death. The kids don’t wear masks and they don’t stay home. The two days a week was pointless. The teachers are all doing things you can find on yutube. The English teacher got mad that several of the kids watched a play instead of reading it. It happened to be Death of Salesman. I was overjoyed to discuss it with the kids. The teacher offered no historical reference. I dared say all works need to be studied in context and plays are meant to be watched. Oops. How dare I. I had spoken with kids about when it was written. How rapidly the world has changed. The concept of housewife seems so dated to the young. I had to point out things like when we had 3 channels you got up to change the station. Kids were used as remote controls. I tried with open discussion to point out not everything was available in the past with a click of the phone. I simply said things were different. No microwaves, no roombas, there were ringer washers, and almost everything got hung outside to dry. We drank tap. All I really conveyed was that Linda Loman was married to the house and didn’t really understand Willy. It is hardly a radical read. This teacher via posallowed saying Willy was monster. All i did was point out that in every scene Linda is darning socks or talking about a refrigerator. It was more than a full time job to run a house 50 years ago. You cannot apply today’s standards to something written when people had one car.
    They dropped a few of the electives due to the online education. They have this course called Social Studies now. It is very generic. A hybrid of what ever the one teacher strikes her mood. It is a filler class. It was I guess with different grades taking electives when school was in session doable. It doesn’t work with zoom. Last year the art teacher got on a Warhol kick. I keep the full museum membership and until this dark black Friday. We always went to museums the day after Thanksgiving we were like The Griswalds from Vacation. We’d do like 5 in one day. I would always research what exhibits the big museums had. shay told her art teacher I was not a fan of Warhol. I just never have been. It does not speak to me. I did not know Andy but I knew Basquiat. I thought he was raw, but not stop the world talented. It was almost childish and no one was allowed to say it looked like you gave a kid crayons. I cough cough cough ” knew” his girlfriend. She turned me on to heroin. It was exciting at first. The buy was the best part. It was all shady. I only snorted and stopped after two weeks. I went to midnight madness meetings for months.
    Anywho the social studies teacher went on a tirade about Oregon legalizing all drugs. I talk with my Shay not at her. I said pup connect the dots. Why would the teacher who has always been a real pro about eveything lose it about a state law half way across the world. I had to make it personal. I said what did I do around the third month of lockdown. I am in my 50’s and single. I strive to provide for Shayla but I don’t get to engage with anyone. I could enjoy local regulars with small chat. Everything shut down. I started buying bottles . well i over poured. I was going weeks without talking to anyone. I need to be out there. It was odd. I am an awful asshole but I love the stranger in a bar. I began chain smoking and pouring too much vodka in a glass.
    I grew so bored with tv. It had been so fun pre covid to discover a show and binge. I started thinking about taking my tv into the woods and shooting it. Everything became vapid. I was bored with life. I just poured a little more. I had no purpose. I didn’t know what time itvwas or what day. Shay said you are drinking too much. Ouch. I had nothing to do. I didn’t notice I was hiding drinking. I was never fall down drunk but I was medicating depression. There was no life. It is a rugged road we get set upon. I cannot talk or teach my Shay if I refuse to listen and hear myself. I don’t ever want to be a marty. My job is to provide a path where Shayla Rayne hears herself. I said babe why would you think this teacher would get so upset. I let her get there. She came to the conclusion that a woman she respects has had pain.
    I freaked out my whole town when Shay had two drinks and I didn’t care. My mom has custody not me. I was not allowed in the ER for almost an hour then the attending came to get me. Shaypup convulsed crying in my arms. She had two drinks. I say knock it off. I don’t need to lecture. I asked the doc if he thought I should do anything. He said love her as you do.
    I got jump start from a regular here. I am travellin through. Questions I have many but answers but a few (Dolly) A woman spoke about a suicide. She is a hero to me. I would genuflect if I met her. I get up day after day. I know I am an an asshole but my governor has theived most of my existance. I get trapped alone it is beyond twisted that I got some relief from someone sharing tragedy.
    Do love my Dolly. Do straight people like Dolly?

  49. John Denney says:

    Harmeet Dhillon’s take:

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