Monday Open Thread

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  1. votermom says:

    Good morning tch

  2. DeniseVB says:

  3. DeniseVB says:

    Probably not a real quote? <<>>

  4. Dora says:

    We are in for it!


    Democratic memo declares ‘rise of white Christian nationalism is a national security threat’

    A Political Action Committee and a group of Democratic lawmakers want Joe Biden to pursue a ‘secular agenda’ that pushes back religious liberty gains made under Trump.

    • Constance says:

      Progressive idiots are very suggestible. We should start a stealth program to implant sane ideas in their heads.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Does everyone see this? I grabbed a 12 line link to share and surprised it worked, lol. This is for Ann and upstate NY’s Bills Mafia 😀 What a turn out, as she described in the last thread. Or as the miserable Dems would call it, a super spreader.

      • Ann says:

        Denise, I was reading Twitter that night. The number of 20-somethings screaming “super spreader” on every Bills-related Twitter thread probably equaled the number of 20-somethings screaming in that bullpen area that evening. LOL Divided country, indeed.

        For those wondering, the Bills had not won their football division (the AFC east) in 25 years. Most of those in attendance were probably not born the last time they won it. Heck, the current Bills QB was not born in 1995. If there had been a game at the stadium, the goalposts would have come down. People are pretty happy. (Sorry, I know the NFL is persona non grata to most, but I have been a fan for 40+ years and am not stopping now.)

        • elliesmom says:

          One of the great things about getting old is the perspective it gives you. “Once in a lifetime” means something when you have a lifetime to reflect on. Woodstock happened in the middle of a pandemic. Today it wouldn’t.

        • DeniseVB says:

          OJ Simpson and the Bills were pretty awesome back in the day, we rooted for them 😀

  5. Dora says:

    Someone has a lot of time on his hands. 🙂

  6. votermom says:

    • Somebody says:

      Oh my so many to choose from, hydroxy chloroquine will kill you and is dangerous? Then 3 days before election, quietly with no press coverage, just kidding it’s fine and works well against covid in early treatment or as prophylaxis?

      Everything Cuomo. The death numbers. So many Fauci candidates, but China is extremely cooperative has to be near the top.

    • Gram Kraken says:

      One person one vote

    • Mothy67 says:

      Unintended consequences. I love my Nanny so much more all these years later because you relay so much. My Olive Ninnetta was a gem. I didn’t see it when i was 12. It is easy to remember the bad stuff and forget the triumphant good. You in discussing the grand kids who lost a grandfather has inspired me to look back yonder. My Nanny held my head above water. I see so much in me that was gifted/nurtured by my tramp grandmother. Others had polite apron clad grandmoms. My Nanny took a lamp to husband number 4’s head. She liked to booze. I cleaned banks with her at 12. She never got up. I cleaned the banks. She was screwed by time and the world. How dare a smart, attractive, woman in the 1930s not just be man meat. She rebelled with and how she could be. She showed me the world. I get to be me cause to quote the Lemonheads I had a place that was safe and warm. Into her arms I could go.

      I reflect on My Nanny because you share.

  7. elliesmom says:

    I have a rather nice telescope. You can even program in where in the sky you want it to point, and it goes there. But getting it set up takes some effort. It’s not the kind of thing I can just leave outside. I’ve been waiting to see what kind of night this is going to be. If it looked like a clear night was in the offing, I was going to set the telescope up on the beach and invite the neighborhood kidlets to come see the Star of Bethlehem. There’s a nice wide open view of the sky there, and the lights from Providence aren’t a huge issue. But we’re under a fog alert this morning, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to clear. I haven’t said anything to the kids because I don’t handle disappointment well. 🙂 Maybe next summer there will be something fun to see. I haven’t set the telescope up in ages. My son used to “get girls” by promising them a look at Saturn’s rings. If they seemed excited, he checked them off as having good potential. His wife actually made him produce them.

    • swanspirit says:

      I have telescope jealousy now.😎 it’s supposed to be overcast here too. I was hoping to use my binoculars to see the ‘star’

    • Mt.Laurel says:

      Telescope 🔭 envy is real. I still miss my home town. Even in the middle of the small city you can still see so much at night. Go out a bit and even more. But here not nearly as lucky, There are two many lights in swampville and the sky often looks empty. But one can usually catch the biggies so I had hopes. They were dashed by not just fog but one of the creepiest Of weather events, freezing 🥶 🌫 fog . took away any chance of enjoying the show. Probably ordered up by the DNC so no wise men could find their way.

  8. elliesmom says:

    For those of you who don’t click on the links in the comments at Don Surber’s blog. I often don’t, but today I did.

  9. foxyladi14 says:

    Since the Media isn’t giving our great President Trump,Applause, I will!!
    A modern medical miracle. They said it couldn’t be done?
    But we have a Giter done POTUS. (y)
    So get vaccinated, So that we can get back to normal!! :
    MAGAA 😍

  10. Dora says:

    Where to look.


    Rare ‘Christmas Star’: When To Look Up On Long Island

    Jupiter and Saturn will align to form a rare Christmas Star, a phenomenon that last happened in the 1600s.

    LONG ISLAND, NY — All eyes will be on the sky Monday as Jupiter and Saturn come together to form the “Christmas Star,” an occurrence so rare it hasn’t happened for centuries.

    The event is the same day as the winter solstice, the longest night of the year. Sunset on Long Island is at about 4:25 p.m. and partly cloudy skies are expected. The planets will be most visible just after sunset to the southwest.

    • elliesmom says:

      I hope you get clear skies where you are. We have total cloud cover here, and it doesn’t show any signs of clearing.

      • Somebody says:

        We’re going to the marina in our little downtown area. It faces west out over the intracoastal and marshes beyond, so we’re hoping we can get a good vantage point. We have so many trees it’s hard to find a good vantage point. Eastern sky no problem😉

        We’re meeting my son and the grandkids downtown. We’re taking a mid-grade monocular and a pair of binoculars. Skies are clear and sunset here is 5:30pm

        The monocular can attach to a smart phone so maybe we’ll get pictures.

        • elliesmom says:

          That sounds like fun! It is, as I said it would be, completely overcast here. We do have a clear night predicted for tomorrow night, which is the way things often go.

          • Somebody says:

            OMG we were so popular with out set up. Hubby attached his phone to the monocular and mounted both on a tripod so you had the monocular zoom plus the zoom on his phone. We should have charged for viewing. We literally had a line. Some guy dressed as Santa was a bogart, people were heckling Santa🤣

  11. lyn5 says:

    • Constance says:

      I don’t see how the old press consider this a win. All they do is make themselves irrelevant. I am 68 and not very computer savvy and even my demo of people do not consider the old press to be worth reading. Even older people are getting their info online.

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  12. DeniseVB says:

    Boy, I could sure add to this list 😀

    • lateblum says:

      This “man” reminded us, even from before the primaries, that he didn’t “look like any other person who had been president ”. Golly gee, I wonder if he really intended to introduce race into the election process. /s

  13. lyn5 says:

  14. lyn5 says:

    • lyn5 says:

      Hillel Neuer @HillelNeuer

      Esther Horgen, 52-year-old Israeli mother of six from the Tal Menashe settlement in the Samarian hills, was found murdered last night after she went for a run on Sunday afternoon. Palestinian terrorists are suspected.

      Today the U.N. will condemn Israel in two annual resolutions.

  15. mcnorman says:

  16. foxyladi14 says:

    Here’s A Breakdown Of Everything Inside The $900BN Stimulus Bill, And What It Means For The US Economy – 21 Dec 2020

  17. lyn5 says:

    • lateblum says:

      The date “1620” is on that rock. When I think of what has happened in this country in just 400 years . . . amazing.

  18. mcnorman says:

  19. Mothy67 says:

    I have thought a lot about books during lockdown. I don’t have the energy to challenge myself with words. I was given so much because in the darkest days I found how others spoke and I learned to breathe. i made it through the rain. Oh yeah there were many a bones a broken. I had to walk myself to the ER. Was I abused? Who can script that time. My dad and mom raged against the weak kid. Doors were no match. They lost it and pummeled me. Only me. Jim, Mary, Casey, Steve, Danny never got punched in the face. I did. I read. I don’t hate anyone. I pulled my mom off my dad as he left.
    I asked my Shay if I have ever caused her to worry I might hit her. She laughed. I wish I could read but I am tired of understanding. I loved W Somerset Maughm Of Human Bondage. I am so sick of Death be Not Proud. I was there. I spent my days with kids who died. Nearly everyone died. I only hit exit ramp for a few minutes. I did die. Good God I am so boring i came back. Blue babies are retarded. No oxygen to the brain. I skipped second and sixth. I have a passport stamped from Hell.
    Impossible. I was not yet 4 the wires meant to keep my sternum in tact broke. Oh what fun to wake up your mom with wires tearing through your skin. Imagine being my mom..
    Is gonna be 54. Oldest person with pig valves. Shayla Rayne . this kid, this kid sung to This Kiss by Faith Hill. I would take everything times ten to allow my baby girl space.

    • Jentx says:

      I don’t always, when I read your post but I wanted you to know that I always cry I love you write beautifully. I am sad that so much bad was done to you I think God will warded you by giving you a baby to love. You need to write a book just take all your posts for the last seven years and put them together in a book it would be a bestseller. I just wanted to thank you and apologize because the world should have been kinder to you. One day I truly do hope to meet everybody here and you were at the top of my list

      • Mothy67 says:

        I have no energy for polite speak. Never had the time to be PC. My child that is not my child has me. It is no one elses story. She muttered one day a youtube star liked boys. I said so do I. That was it. No long drawn out conversation. A simple reality.
        Last night Harper (6″2 boyfriend) was over my mom said in her day there were tom boys and sissies. They grew up. My mom dislikes homos. Never gonna change. I did not give up New York City on a caprice. I knew then and now I had to stand with me brat. I do and she be a rock star. My choice. I could live my life being how unfair or I can exist with a child that was thrown away. I am/is going to be Shayla’s rock. Seriously how many kids get tossed aside. End up with a great gay uncle that had multiple open heart surgeries. A dude who never shuts up that learned to speak from a gaping hole in his throat. I am all in. I can and will fight. Her dad was in prison and her mom in psych ward for cutting herself again and again when pre k started. I walked and carried her home. My brat. One time Chris called he could not pick her up. I ran miles. Nothing can ever separate me from this dork. Shaypup was wanted by no one. Her maternal grandmother did not call for three years. Three years?? I said fuck it. I “Got you Babe”. Never a B. Carnegie Mellon???? State senators. She breaks swim records and vball.
        I am not letting proggies tell her story. I will always be with my kid.

  20. lyn5 says:

  21. Somebody says:

    EM, if the weather is better for star gazing tonight you should break out your telescope. You will still be able to see Jupiter and Saturn and tonight below them Pluto will appear.

    • elliesmom says:

      We’ll see. It’s supposed to clear this afternoon for a few hours. Maybe it will hold long enough. From my front porch I have a clear view of the south and southwest sky, and from the back the north. Only the northeast is an obstructed view. So I don’t have to go very far.

    • Constance says:

      I really want to see the planets line up. The pictures from around the world are so cool. But Seattle had a UV reading of zero at noon yesterday and last night it was pouring down snow for several hours so no chance yet. Thankfully it was 37 degrees out so the snow didn’t stick. Today we have some sun so maybe a clear sky tonight. I feel like the planets are gathering to send us some much needed positive energy here on earth.

  22. Dora says:

    Not enough!

    • Constance says:

      Thank God there is some sane Senators left. I so hope Trump veto’s this. He can just say, “There is too much for everyone but Americans, It’s my duty to send this back to the drawing board for some more work.” I would say “shove this insulting garbage up you ass corrupt congress”>

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  24. Dora says:

    January 6th is going to be big!

    • Constance says:

      I hope the weather is decent for all these folks. I really wish I could be there but I’m not up for a drive from Seattle.

  25. Somebody says:

    Something different. I haven’t been out back on my lanai in a while. We back up to woods and the woods are overrun with muscadine grapevines. The seasons have changed and the grapevines have lost their leaves.

    I happened to gaze out this morning and something caught my eye. At the very edge of the woods between two trees, directly behind my bedroom window a wreath has formed of grapevines. The sun had just risen and a ray of sunlight was shining on the wreath in the waning morning twilight. It was pretty cool.

    Apparently a sapling was knocked over at some point and fell between the two trees. The upper part of the sapling broke off in a couple of pieces and sort of formed a frame for the grapevines, or maybe the weight and pressure of the vines broke the top of the sapling?

    Either way a wreath of grapevines has appeared naturally outside my bedroom window. I have no idea if that’s a good omen or bad or none at all. There are a lot of various meanings one can ascribe to a wreath. Modern tradition of the Christmas wreath is eternal life. In ancient Greece and Rome it symbolized victory. It also symbolizes unity, hope, infinity, wholeness and focus. In spiritual practices, casting a circle is to offer protection (I kind of like that one). A blessing is a circle of light drawn around someone to protect, heal and strengthen them. Celtics believe wreaths and circles are protective.

    • Gram Kraken says:

      Somebody, your description sounds lovely and calming. And definitely a good omen. In these chaotic times we all would benefit if we took more time to observe the beauty of nature around us. Sunrise and sunset are my favorite times of day. Last night my daughter, gd and I watched a lovely sunset and then my gd took pictures of the Christmas star.

      Are you having a biopsy tomorrow? Hopefully you will get good news and will be able to quickly get the treatments you need to assure the best outcome for you. Your experiences advocating for your daughter and mother appear to have prepared you well to navigate the managed health care bureaucracy red-tape and push back to get the care you need and want.

      Years ago my HR contact told me that insurance providers have stats on what percent of people don’t appeal a denial of service and it is baked into their budget formula. She helped me quickly get approval for care for my daughter when she needed out-of-network care while away at college.

      • elliesmom says:

        My daughter worked in the grievance department of an insurance company for awhile. There’s a certain number of claims that get approved just because the insured person squawked. Then there’s a level that gets to a “review board” that’s really a nurse. Next step is a doctor who works for the insurance company who looks at your claim request. Then there really is a review board. One of the things they don’t tell you about is something called “educate and pay”, and that’s when you have something done without asking first, and the insurance company pays the bill, but tells you never to do it again. It’s a risk, but where she worked, the company usually paid out because someone who has already paid a bill is more likely to sue to get their money back than someone who is being told a service isn’t going to be covered.

  26. elliesmom says:

    It’s decision time. I have my Christmas grocery delivery scheduled for late this afternoon. I can’t get early morning on a Tuesday, which is why I never choose it, but there are things I need now. Sadly, it won’t be Sidney Poitier doing the delivery, but I’ll catch him next week with a big tip. But for today, I have two choices- I can let whoever it is leave the groceries at the garage door and get them upstairs myself. Second choice- I can shovel my steps so the delivery guy can get to my front door. Shoveling my steps is not a small undertaking. There are 25 steps and a long porch. I had hoped they would be mostly melted by now, but it’s been hovering in the 30s all week. It’s going to be in the 40s tomorrow and 50 on Thursday so I don’t need to do it for my Christmas Eve guests. They’ll be bare by then even if do nothing. But it’s a lot of groceries. lol

    • Mothy67 says:

      Remember Diana Ross Upside Down?: i say to thee respectfully write it down

    • swanspirit says:

      Can you offer the delivery person something to bring them up?

      • elliesmom says:

        No, they aren’t allowed to come into the house under the “new rules”. But I can send the groceries upstairs on the chairlift. I went out to do the porch, and it’s very slippery. It’s 41 degrees already so I’ll wait until around 3 o’clock and see what’s left.

    • Somebody says:

      So did the ice melt enough? If you bring them in via the garage do you still have to carry them up stairs?

  27. Dora says:

    • Jentx says:

      I am so disgusted that I don’t want to get out of bed.. we have one hope we have one dream we have one last stand times 80 million Donald Trump please please don’t leave us hanging please find use every Power given to you and remember you only have to text tweet call signal yell we will be there we just need to know what you need from us please please never give up never give in never ever surrender

      • Mothy67 says:

        Can you knock it off? The world sucks. Hurt is part of life. It bites. I get Maureen MCgovern and the theme from Angie. Seriously i get sad. How do you wanna end your time if you hear there’s got to be a morning after. Shelly fat winters saying push. I is gonna fight.

        • Mothy67they says:

          The theme from Angie

        • Jentx says:

          I apologize if I’ve offended anyone with my opinion or burdened you with my sorrow but it will be mighty interesting to see how we will be able to fight since they are outlawing and restricting speech. Not only what you can say but how you can say it so both content and access. They’re raising taxes and will be coming for the guns. They’re mandating who is essential and not thereby restricting who will work and who will be on welfare. They’re defining who can assemble and not which means you might not be able to pray as you have in the past or perhaps gather to discuss how to resist . They’re also going to be in charge of medicine so that will no longer be a personal decision and that goes for both doctors and patients. I’ve spoken to many doctors who say if you speak out you will be out so they have only one decision to make do they want to practice medicine or do they want to be unemployed. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but very few white people will ever be featured in commercials again and theater is dead so many stories that no one really addresses because there are so many other problems but the me-too and the black lives matter movement have killed whatever off theater is left because in the olden days people who worked and did internships are now demanding full pay because anything less is diminishing to them so many theaters are gone. There will no longer be achievement simply quotas and buttons that say you are fine. They’ve started changing the laws already making certain people innocent no matter what crimes they commit and this is even if you could call 911 and get a police officer to come. Corporations have bowed down to BLM and will be hiring and promoting people who will make working under them nearly impossible. I could keep going but this is depressing. I suppose we can all rage inside our homes with money we’ve already saved until the money runs out. Donald Trump’s presidency has made it clear that the only difference between Democrats and Republicans minus a few is name. And if history has taught us anything which some people feel is the biggest predictor of the future it’s that people will go along to get along people will sell out people will surrender. It takes a perfect storm of charismatic personality in a leader, enough people willing to hold the line and or fight, and a tipping point to either overcome or hold on when countries are in peril. We have that right now and we are there right now the only question is which way are we going to fall. I have always been a fighter and I will die a fighter but without a leader or group to join I am useless to help. Again I apologize if anything I have said has upset anyone and I will refrain from posting because what’s the point but the difference many times is one person when a country is about to fall or reclaim and Donald Trump in my opinion is that person. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about everything and that everything is going to turn up roses but I don’t sleep a lot and I read a lot and I don’t see roses anywhere. Merry Christmas and happy new year to everyone i truly love you all and I’m going to add to my list of things I really want this year Santa in addition to intelligence common sense and Justice please bring us roses.

  28. foxyladi14 says:


  29. foxyladi14 says:

    Not funny but true! 👿

  30. Mothy67 says:

    Theme from Angie has no sound

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  32. Mothy67 says:

    Ugh ugh ugh


  33. elliesmom says:

    This is one smart virus. It mutates, but only in Great Britain on the eve of Brexit. It’s almost like it knows where it can wreak the most havoc on anyone who disagrees with the New World Order.

  34. lyn5 says:

    Moscow Mitch will give Biden’s cabinet picks a floor vote.
    McConnell criticized the Democrats for treating President Donald Trump’s nominees badly and vowed he will not do the same to Biden’s nominees.

    “Well, first of all, I am going to treat him a hell of a lot better than Chuck Schumer ever treated Donald Trump,” he told Jennings.

  35. Gram Kraken says:

    Milton Friedman’s ‘Free to Choose’ Proved Capitalism Is Superior to Socialism’

    This is worth 6 minutes of your time

  36. Dora says:

  37. Dora says:

    They are all turning against the president. Or so it seems to me.

  38. Dora says:

  39. foxyladi14 says:


    Members of Congress have each been paid 16 paydays of $7,125 base salaries for a total of $114,000 since sending you $1,200 to live on 240 days ago. You got 20 cents a day, they got $475 a day. And they took a recess (paid vacation). #coronavirus #StimulusCheck

    — Douglas Karr (@douglaskarr) December 20, 2020

  40. DeniseVB says:

    Kamala’s Senate replacement….

  41. Dora says:

  42. foxyladi14 says:

    Economy still good 😀

  43. Anthony says:

    Coronavirus man-made in Wuhan lab, says Nobel laureate – The Week
    HIV and Malaria??

    • elliesmom says:

      Ever since I saw the Chinese scientist on Tucker’s show, I’ve believed this wasn’t even an accident. It was deliberate. Life in China is cheap. It wouldn’t matter to the Chinese government how many Chinese citizens they killed in the process. They have plenty more. I get asked a lot how someone who has no religious beliefs can be so against abortion, and the answer is when any life isn’t valued, no life is valued.

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  45. Dora says:

  46. DeniseVB says:

    Better late than never new thread up 😀

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