New Year’s Eve Eve Open Thread

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  1. elliesmom says:

    There are a lot of things we have the rights and/or privileges for that don’t come with the guarantee we’ll get them unless we work at it. Happiness tops the list. The right to a free public education doesn’t come with the guarantee one will become an educated person without one’s active participation. Contrary to what a lot of people believe, should healthcare become a right it won’t guarantee everyone will be healthier. If we guarantee every homeless person a roof over his head, we will still have some people living on the street.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Yep, that’s why the quote caught my eye this morning, seems the left considers their personal happiness a right which includes a lot of free stuff. The other quote I like is that our government guarantees equal opportunity not equal outcomes. People who come here from socialist countries keep trying to warn us about that 🙂 I still think our public colleges should require a class in the Constitution and a 3 month study program in Cuba while living on $2.00 day 🙂 Maybe just be able to pass a citizenship test to graduate? Our schools are failing our children.

      I remember when public service positions only required a high school diploma for entry level jobs in police and fire departments. The demand became so high, it’s now a college diploma, transfer from another city or military background that puts you in front of other applicants AND they still had to dumb down the entrance exam that was called racist because too many minorities failed it. Yay, Diversity wins by default, not.

      • elliesmom says:

        There’s something in industry called “JIT Learning”. It stands for “Just In Time”. The theory is that if you teach someone something just before they need to know it, they learn it faster and retain more of what you teach them. I was a teacher there before I moved to public school, and it is dramatically true. There are private schools out there that operate on that principal, and while they are considered on the fringe, they do turn out very successful people. I’ve had the experience of working with kids from Sudbury Valley, which is pre-K through high school and students at the College of the Atlantic.

        When we look back at great minds in history, it seems remarkable how much they accomplished with so little formal education- until you experience JIT. Those folks learned what they wanted and needed to know when they needed to know it. We have a lot of kids spending 13 years or more in public school trying to teach them things they don’t care about and don’t think they need to know. If we taught them to read, and then let them come and go when they figured out what else they needed and wanted to know, then we’d be wasting a lot less of our time and theirs. The whole thing about making community college free will only work if it runs on JIT. Otherwise, it’s just a break from needing to go to work and earn a living. The cost of community college is not what keeps most people from going there. Even Walmart has tuition reimbursement plans that cover 100% of community college for its employees serious about education.

        • Mothy67 says:

          Aren’t languages sometimes taught like that? High school courses are a waste.

          • elliesmom says:

            Yes, especially for people who are about to take on an assignment that will take them to a country where the language is unfamiliar. When public schools here have ESL classes for immigrant children, there are two levels of fluency for the kids. They usually pick up “playground English” pretty quickly. That’s the language skills they need for survival and socialization. That’s taught JIT style.

            The level of English proficiency needed to be academically fluent is different. Some schools change gears to teach that, and I’m not sure why they do. I team taught an Oceanography class with an ESL teacher with over half the class non-native English speakers. The textbook had the pages on the left in English and the same page in Spanish on the right. She concentrated on the having the kids learn the English vocabulary related to oceanography and the sentence structure of a science text. Just what they needed to be successful in switching to learning in English in that one class. All of the kids were successful at taking the final exam and doing a presentation in English to the class by the end of the semester. Much of what they learned tracked well into other classes they took, but they weren’t flooded with lots of extra things all at once. Before the kids graduated, several of the kids turned up in my other subject classes that were entirely taught in English and did fine. Most of the high school kids who chose to learn English as a separate thing before enrolling in subject matter classes dropped out of school.

        • SHV says:

          “If we taught them to read, and then let them come and go when they figured out what else they needed and wanted to know, ”
          Sounds like me….I didn’t like going to school and was a C-B minus student in middle school….years later my mother told me the the school guidance people wanted to put me in the vocational track….I created confusion when I scored in the 95 percentile on the PSATs.

          • lateblum says:

            You sound like my son. They even accused him of having someone take the PSAT in his place. Odd, because it was his Dean who was proctoring the exam where my son was sitting for it. Idiocy.

          • elliesmom says:

            One of the classes required to become certified to teach in most states is one in the history of education. Most teachers complain it’s useless and a waste of time, but it’s one of the most fascinating courses I’ve ever taken. I was getting my degree at the very first public “normal school” in the country. It had been supported and funded by Horace Mann and Edmund Dwight. Both men wanted children taught to be ready to become productive workers. That was a big change from Thomas Jefferson’s plan for public education to create educated citizens. The two men behind the university are largely responsible for the “factory model” that’s school today. Kids grouped by age, not interest or ability, subjects taught in timed blocks, kids herded through the day by the ringing of bells, and grades assessed on certain dates instead of when milestones have been accomplished. It’s going to take a tsunami to change that. I hoped one of the good things to come out of this pandeic would have been a seachange in thinking about school, but we’ve just turned remote learning into a factory.

          • Dr. Myiq2xu says:

            We built a public education system that was the envy of the world. We have been trying to “fix” it since before I was born, and it just keeps getting worse.

          • SHV says:

            “You sound like my son.”
            The drumbeat today is that “standardized” testing is racist and many universities are no longer using SAT scores for admission. This is a move to make discrimination against Asian students “legal”.

            IMO, standardized tests are a means for students who have no economic or social leverage to get admitted to “elite” universities. A 99.7 percentile score was my ticked to post grad at Harvard.

        • Mothy67 says:

          Have you ever heard of The Brian Way Method. I took a course at Hunter College – Drama in Education. As students we spent about half the term working with kids in the Hunter school system. You had the bully play the victim in a controlled environment. Ask him/her how it felt. Children are rich with imagination and Hunter is top 20 public high schools.

          Elana Kagen went there.
          The Brian Way method challenged the post industrial revolution way of teaching kids as cogs in a machine. Emphasis was on early education. I think it advocated for total self education at the early stages of learning. Seven parts if I remember corrrectly. I was a lit major and needed the credit. One of the most rewarding classes I have ever taken. You don’t take a kid out of violence at home or on the streets and say sit down raise your hand ( i went to Catholic school) It was profound to watch kids discover the value of education by incorporating rhythm, imagination – 7 parts. I wish I had saved the text. I cannot find it on any search site.

          • Mothy67 says:

            I have looked for that text for years. I know it is real. I had to buy it. Just dawned on me to look up Brian Way. He gets wiki but no mention of the actual teaching style promoted by the text.

          • elliesmom says:

            I think this is what you’re looking for. As a science teacher, I didn’t spend a lot of time on emotional issues with the kids during class. I often ferreted out learning disablilities the kids had that were going indetected because every engineer is a problem solver, but that’s different. If the kids were having issues at home or with other kids outside of class, I had support professionals on the staff to refer the kids to. After school was a different story. I had a couple of hundred gallons of aquariums in assorted sizes in my classroom, and the kids maintained them on a volunteer basis. If a kid was avoiding something, volunteering to stay after and work on them was a good excuse. Kids often opened up to me about how they were feeling about things while they cared for our classroom fish and other water life.


        • Mothy67 says:

          Close but it was an actual text book. It has been many years and the focus was on early education. K thru 2nd? The oblahblah was trying, I believe, to apply the rationale to the likes of Parkland shooter. It’s too late.
          I have been wondering since lockdown if we need to rethink a lot of teaching and learning. Does da pup need a full year of Algebra 2? She never cracks a sweat. Mortal enemy of mine Taylon refuses to attend gate classes. He is wicked math smart. The class is taught to the middle. Why not let some kids advance on their own? They have said kids can distance learn over the last ten months. Do we still need snow days? Can’t everything be taught by way of computer? I value teachers. But don’t you think some modifications can be made even more so in college for core requirements? I had to take Sociology a hundred years ago. Had to pay full tuition for a class that I could have done in a bar over a weekend. It was at one of my many svhools. Temple, I think. Honestly 9th grade level. We spent two weeks discussing Durkheim’s suicide catagories. Egoistic, altruistic, anomie. How can that take up six hours? Selfish, not selfish- martyr- giver and still selfish in an Ayn Rand way, and lost. I had to pay a few thousand for that. Language requirements? I had German in high school, but took French in college. It is so not practical. I could learn more on duo lingo for free. I can say Je ne parle pas francais. The idea of a well rounded liberal education has become we will force you to swallow liberal noise. My lex is doing the 5 year specialized nursing program at Pitt. 200,000 thousand is a rough estimate of her cost. At least 35,000 thousand paid for horse manure. Schools milk every dime. Don’t even get me started on how they have entered the real estate field. What was wrong with dorms? Housing is insane.

          • Mothy67 says:

            Jadzia graduated from law school in France. Wow! Ou sont la toilette?

          • elliesmom says:

            My daughter hated math so I bribed her to take math all four years in high school. Why? Because if later in life you have a need to know more math, it’s the hardest subject to go back and just start where you left off and jump back in. She uses an incredible amount of math in the work she does now, and she’s glad she stuck with it in high school. Most people get through life quite easily on the level of math they learned in 8th grade, but math can be a gatekeeper to a lot of things people didn’t know they might want to do later. If you don’t want to read the books they assign you in school, you can go back and read them later. Get a degree in sociology, and then at 35 decide to apply for a job designing future habitats on Mars? OK, but one of the requirements is pre-calculus. Haven’t taken a math class since 9th grade algebra? Be prepared for a really tough class. (That’s a real situation I helped someone through.) So my advice to kids is unless they can find something they’re sure is more useful to take in its place, take math.

          • jadzia1971 says:

            I did not graduate from law school here! I went to law school in America but got my Ph.D. in France. : )

    • foxyladi14 says:

      em Exactly!! 😀

  2. Miranda says:

    Florida residents: Are the Florida casinos still requiring face coverings?

    • Somebody says:

      I don’t know Miranda. I’ve never been to a casino in Florida, they’re tribal casinos right? If you have a favorite check their website. I’m going to guess they do because the tourist attractions are all pretty much requiring masks except the beach.

      • Somebody says:

        I checked around, the big casinos in South Florida do require masks and social distancing. I saw several stories where they added extra security for compliance purposes. There are smaller mom and pop type of gambling places scattered throughout the state. Those places have electronic poker machines that kind of stuff. Whether those require masks depends on location and owner, many in the more rural areas do not, but I don’t think that was the type of casino you were looking for.

        There is no legal penalty in the state of Florida for non-mask compliance, no fines, nothing. However, any private business can require masks and ask you to leave if you do not comply. In some areas, particularly in South Florida if the cops get called people have been arrested for “resisting arrest” and have had penalties imposed. Basically it’s a work around the Governor. So if you are approached about mask compliance and asked to comply or leave it’s best to comply or leave. That varies by location, for instance in my county even when we had a mask mandate the sheriff refused to enforce it. There are many counties like that, hint the red ones generally.

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  5. votermom says:

    I’m scared. When I stop to think about what is and isn’t happening I feel like I might throw up.
    God have mercy on fools and the USA.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I’m tuning most of it out, too much crazy I don’t understand. I don’t even trust this Georgia run off, whatever. Dems only have to concentrate on ONE state, do you think they’re going to lose? Stacy Abrams sis is a judge and already messing stuff up for the GOP, not surprised.

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  7. DeniseVB says:

    I saw Boston and thought of EM 🙂 I can’t stop watching this !

    • elliesmom says:

      Boston Dynamics is a cool place. UMass had a spring event every year sponsored by the Society of Women Engineers for teachers to bring middle school girls to expose them to careers in science and engineering girls don’t often think about. Boston Dynmaics always put on a great show. Robotics is a very popular field for women these days. One of the inventors of the Roomba is a woman, and she puts on a good show, too.

      • Constance says:

        Many people don’t think of careers in engineering because the jobs aren’t obvious. Same with Lab Tech, project manager, drafter. Kids only think of doing jobs that they see. Dr, Nurse, Dentist, Fireman, Police, Store Clerk, Mailman, Teacher, Veterinarian, Barber and the always impressive garbage men with their huge, noisy trucks, are all jobs kids see in their life. But there just are so many great jobs kids never see anyone doing. My daughter is a civil engineer and always wanted to be an engineer but her father and many family friends are engineers and she went to “take a kid to work” with quite a few of them. Even with friends in the biz it was difficult to get her in because most engineering firms have very strict security. Same with Lab techs, I was ask a number of times to take a friends science oriented kid to my Research Tech lab for a visit and could never get them through the front door. You have to be over 18 to enter a lab due to hazards from explosions, chemicals and bio hazards.

        • elliesmom says:

          For my students some of the popular “finds” at Women in Science and Engineering Days were the robotics companies, the food technology programs, finding out the local “weather girl” on the TV had a PhD in physics, the technical jobs in the airline industry, and , of course, NASA always knocks the socks off kids. One of the girls became fascinated with the science behind art restoration at one of the shows, and she now works at the Boston MFA. One of my girls studies volcanoes in Hawaii. I was recruited by the Society of Women Engineers to become a teacher, went to grad school on a grant they gave me, and I like to think that while I was a favorite teacher of a lot of delinquent boys, I fulfilled their hopes that I would steer more girls their way.

  8. Mothy67 says:

    Has anyone watched Unbelievable on netflix? I thought it was very well done. It is about a teenager charged for falsely reporting a rape – based on a newspaper report. Came out last year. I had a big no thanks in the wake of pussy hats, mattress girl, poundmetoo. My roku starts sampling the next thing it thinks I’ll like when a show is over. I really liked the cast ( Allison Janey, Toni Colette, senator’s kidnapped daughter from Silence of the Lambs, Patrick Star from Sponge Bob) I hit play.
    It handled the subject matter tastefully. worth a watch if you are bored.

  9. DeniseVB says:

    Too soon ? 😀

    • elliesmom says:

      My son-in-law was helping me change the filter in my water pump on Sunday. I had replaced the unit that was there the last time he helped me with something entirely different. He asked me why I had gone to the trouble and expense, and I said because when something isn’t working very well continuing to use it doesn’t get you better results and buying it new parts is a waste of money. He then speculated about how much money has been wasted on buying masks that don’t work. But I said nothing. ❤

      • Mothy67 says:

        I take the new paper masks when offered outside store, but if I am out for a stroll and get the urge to get a coffee I pull the one out of me pocket sent by my insurance. Not sure last time I washed it. I am in and out, gabbing a soda or cup o’joe in a convenience store. Still gross.

        • Constance says:

          I was out for a walk yesterday in Idiotically Progressive Seattle and not wearing a mask. I was surprised that for the first time in a long time not one person I saw walking around had a mask on! No one ran to cross the street either.

  10. DeniseVB says:

    Yep, worried about this too. Too many mixed messages with too many requests for donations by too many sides of the parties, lol. I’ll be glad when this is over too……

  11. Dora says:


    • DandyTIger says:

      There’s no point. It means there has to be a discussion or debate. Whatever. Blah, blah, blah. Then they vote. Does anyone expect a majority of Dems in the House will vote against their interests? Or that a majority of Dems and deep state/establishment GOP will vote against their interests? Does anyone thing if given the opportunity, VP Pence would vote against all his friends in congress who are against Trump?

      • lyn5 says:

        Bullets over ballots.

      • Angie says:

        Don’t need Dems if House vote is by state delegation NOT member. And that appears to be in line with 12th Amendment (Electoral Count Act of 1887 is not clear).
        Rs can object to each individual elector, rather than by slate. PA’s 20 x 2 hours each = 40 hours of debate.
        And yes, Pence is a good, honest, loyal man.
        It ain’t over until it’s over.

    • ginainmo says:

      He is quite an upgrade over Claire. Proud of my junior Senator! My senior Senator Roy Blunt needs to be put out to pasture.

  12. DeniseVB says:

    LOL, I don’t know why I try and understand, but Lin Wood never seems to be disputed 🙂

  13. Mothy67 says:

    My Senator Toomey is going to attempt to block 2,000 payments. I can agree with him on several levels, but it is already out there. He is not running for re erection so he is taking a stand. I wish he had the balls to have said something about the trillions in foreign pork aid during his years being a corporate shill. People who lost nothing will get checks. I could make the argument that they use to justify EIC. People getting those payments don’t make much. I had the misfortune ofbbeing a tax preparer one year. People come in who earned exactly enough to get the max with then it was two dependent s. Would walk out with as much as 6,000 on a prepaid card for which they paid quite a bit to get in hand. It is a loan. The tax return is paid to the tax preparation company. It also cost about another 300 in fees. Around 5 to 6 hundred to not wait three weeks. I figured a minimum wage worker with two kids filing head of household is getting paid for 20 weeks of work by the government for having worked part time for half a year. It’s a racket. I know there are legitimate people struggling and I believe in supporting those on the fringes, but it is out of control. One of the arguments I have met with a liberal economist is that that money goes right back into the economy. Retail loves EIC. Why not use the same argument with stimulus? Only people making under 75k get anything. Everyone is suffering in someway during this imprisonment. How can we give away billions to foreign countries and tell Americans to piss off. Had the proposal not been out there I would be okay with no stimulus, but now it just makes Toomey sound like he is saying let them eat cake.
    My friend Kim worked as a bartender. She was fine during total lockdown because of the 600 added unemployment. Partial reopening crushed her. No unemployment, but she went from making I guesstimate around 2,000 a week pre kung flu. A local pub. Poker machines are legal here and people tip on the winnings. They had to remove machines because Of distancing. You cannot sit at the bar. She makes about 40 a shift now. Nothing is her fault — doesn’t she deserve as much help as someone gaming the system?

    • elliesmom says:

      I often say, “We had a sexual revolution, and women lost.” My friends think it’s a throwaway line, and I’m being glib, but I’m dead serious. In what ways have women’s lives improved? While some careers have become more open to women, most women don’t leave the house everyday to go to an exciting job. The two-job couple was supposed to be an added choice for women, but today few couples can afford to have one parent stay at home and take care of the children so it’s become the only choice. More women are raising children alone than ever before, and that’s the surest ticket to poverty there is. Easy access to abortion has made it easier for men to walk away from the pregnancies they helped create. Why stay around and help raise a child when you can toss a woman some cash and walk away? Hang around some otherwise really nice young men and compare their attitudes about women to their grandfathers’ attitudes, and something has to have happened to cause such a dramatic shift. When I talk to my niece and her friends, they have no concept of being courted. To be honest, they don’t even know what “going on a date” looks like.

  14. DeniseVB says:

    Doing my part to help the War on Street Thugs since it’s frowned upon to step on the gas……..

  15. foxyladi14 says:

    John Spiropoulos
    December 30, 2020 9:24 am

    Good morning, Treepers. Our Let’s Roll America reporting tour just pulled out of TUCSON on the way to DC for the big Jan 6 rally. Thanks for your well wishes, prayers and financial support. Trump flags on the car are great conversation starters at rest stops! Let’s Roll America!

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  18. Mothy67 says:

    Can I sue local media as terrorists?

  19. DeniseVB says:

    The Queen of The Miserable speaks to her followers. Comments are predictably drooling, you can’t read through them without a slobber rag 😀

  20. Mothy67 says:

    Agree or disagree with cuomo giving those in addiction treatment centers vaccinations before general population?
    I weighed both sides. They are likely more vulnerable due to lifestyle and may spread to the community at large upon discharge. I get that, but how likely are they to stay clean long enough to return for second shot?

    • Miranda says:

      He’s also apparently prioritized them over people in nursing homes, which I don’t agree with. Seniors are the most vulnerable.

    • elliesmom says:

      More guinea pigs before they get to me.

    • 1539days says:

      Actually, Cuomo is having a problem with vaccine distribution. The refusal rate among hospital staff is over 50%. A family member who works in the office said that Cuomo is collecting the names of medical workers who don’t want the vaccine, probably as a measure to scare them or ultimately put them on the early termination list.
      Typical media dumbass move was to talk about how Trump failed to get 20 million people vaccinated, then it turns out the governors and hospitals did a shit job of actually giving the shots. This drug addict vaccination plan is probably just to get needles in some arms to show they’re getting the population vaccinated. If they’re in a 28 day in patient plan, they can be there for both doses. Otherwise, the vaccine is about 70% effective. In reality, we should give everyone a single 70% effective shot and we’d get to herd immunity.

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  22. DeniseVB says:

    I was just playing over in the NYC Historical group where they announced the opening of yet another Penn Station, the third one since 1963 when they bulldozed the original. I guess NY politicians have always been stupid making stupid decisions. Though the outrage of destroying this probably saved Grand Central Station, which was next on the chopping block back in the day……

  23. lyn5 says:

    Cheato Joe Dementia’s America …

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  27. DeniseVB says:

    Giggle break…….The Babylon Bee is running a bunch of their #BestOfTheBee stories on twitter, so much more fun than following Georgia 😀

  28. Dora says:

    RAFFENSPERGER GETS CAUGHT: Georgia Ballots Were Printed DIFFERENTLY for GOP Counties vs. DEM Counties — Election Was Rigged!

  29. helenk3 says:

    bid-on spewing his usual bs about the covid shots being too slow in getting to the people
    btw what the hell is the office of president elect?

  30. Mothy67 says:

    I have actually spent almost a year in rehab ordered by a judge. All I did was get in an argument with a stationary vehicle for hitting me. It can happen to anyone who partakes of the Whitman’s sampler. Oh I was on quite a few tasty treats. I didn’t really do drugs, but hey there were mushrooms. I needed some pot to mellow it and then some coke cause pot made me sleepy, then some bourbon. I am outside of Bellview arguing with a parked ambulance for being rude. No excuse for poor manners just because you are inanimate. I got taken into THE Bellview or is it Bellvue. Not the really, really bad part, but you can hear the sounds. I was still high as a kite ( it was a wee bit after 4 when I got detained bars close at 4) 8:30 am I am told I will appear before a judge (they have court there) I was so not there. I was told I could go to jail. I had never even had a joint in my possession. Yeah I have smoked and snorted. Drugs are not my thing. Idid not understand what the charges were because I was still on mushrooms. The most they could have got me with was public intoxication. My blood work had not even come back. I was told I had to go to rehab or face jail. I wanna call racism cause I doubt they would have pulled that on a young black guy. I took a deal. Rehab followed by 9 months of living in Ronkonkoma with excons. Daily group therapy. I was given tokens from Bellview. I had to get to Staten Island ferry then a train to a crisis center. I spent 6 weeks in a crisis center waiting for a bed at rehab. Then 30 not 28 days in rehab. Then I was given a ticket to get to a place where I had to live with ex cons. Eleven of us in a house. I had to take the train. I wish I had the gift of scribe. I saw so much. Life’s underbelly. The neglected and the hauntingly abused by social services. Those who are weakest being seen as profit. I can’t remember most names. I can see almost every second. They dumped off a mole guy when I was in 28 day program. A REAL mole guy. His skin was stained black from living the life in the tunnels. I was cold to him. I just had to get through this. We got sent to the same crooked outpatient/inpatient scam. He was now this skinny f a g g ots job to protect. I didn’t listen to him or care about him during our “28” days in rehab when we had to sit in a big circle and listen to whales. I am a son of a bitch. Seriously my own mother calls me son of a bitch to this day. He was a part of my recent history. I got to know him. He had no teeth. One day we were sitting in group and the community counselor attacked him for having no dentures. It was evil. He degraded this man. He was a real mole person. He lived in Jersey got off the school bus and his mom did a header in fro

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    Kindle shut me down
    This guy watched his mother jump off the roof of his home as he got off the school bus and at 15 went to live in the tunnels where he lived for 28 years.
    I got close to him. The therapists who could see nothing but addiction wrote him off.
    I lived it. Richie is the only name I remember. Richie was this compact fit little man/kid. He had gone to jail for selling pot. He tried so hard after being thrown around in prison as a sexual rag doll. He gave up and started giving himself up at local tattoo shops. He desolved in front of my eyes. I tried to talk to him. He and I got along, but he was not gay and had been abused and when he tried as hard as he could to get out of his gutter all they said was go to your meetings, get a sponsor. He had been ass raped for years and they said go to AA and talk to maybe in idiot maybe a not idiot. The young man had been raped over selling pot. He was not in need of 12 steps. He stopped showering, changing his socks. He got his socks wet to make them smell worse. He wanted everyone to hate him. I heard he killed himself. My nine court ordered months I saw a lot of death. I do have to say my breaking point was with The Agony and the Ecstasy. This well meaning recovering drug addict with a certificate from a community college was inventing or projecting himself on Irving Stone and thus Michelangelo. He just made up shit to fit his story!! Is that all dims do? I have a friend from way back in 1987 she worked on the Laramie project admits she/they lied about Matthew Shepherd but feels her lies are the right thing to do? How does that ever make sensr?????

  33. helenk3 says:

    well gee nan, most of us are not in congress making money off lobbiests and being paid by the taxpayer whether we work or not.

  34. helenk3 says:

    I am really lost now. a news paper on the internet claims the $600 deposits started being put into people accounts and paper checks should start to go out next week. Is this in stead of or part of or in addition to the $2000?

    • Somebody says:

      They only passed $600, they are talking about $2,000 but haven’t taken any action. They passed $600 in that monstrosity that sent 10 million for gender studies in Pakistan and lots of other pork.

  35. DeniseVB says:

    One of my favorites on FB……….

  36. 1539days says:

    I remember Klown’s (sorta) famous post comparing the moral hazard of obesity to the shaming of “dirty” people who were too poor to clean and bathe regularly in the past. That’s pretty much what’s going on with COVID now. If you got sick or died from COVID and you’re in a group favored by liberals, you’re a victim who was exposed to bad super spreaders with their magic germs that go through masks. However, if you’re one of those people who got sick or might have died from COVID and you’re not one of the sheeple, all of a sudden it’s your fault because you went around mask-less and coughed at and licked people and totally deserved to be sick.

  37. lyn5 says:

    • swanspirit says:

      It’s the, Obanana “We just make this 💩 up as we go along now” rules.

    • Somebody says:

      It’s called fraud Arizona. You know the same kind of fraud POTUS and his team have been exposing for weeks. Guess what Ari? This is the least of it, tens of thousands of dead people voted, imaginary people voted too. But meh, Trump should stop being a sore loser amirite?

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  39. Somebody says:

    Any Gilligan’s Island fans here? Mary Ann just died of covid complications at the age of 82.

    • swanspirit says:

      That’s very sad. 🏝

    • Dr. Myiq2xu says:

      Q: Ginger or Mary Ann?
      A: Mary Ann

      Q: Mary Ann or Jeannie?
      A: Jeannie.

    • Anthony says:

      Or maybe just being 82

      • elliesmom says:

        In a pandemic where the disease doesn’t discriminate by age, there are a lot of excess deaths recorded. The numbers reflect all of the young people who would still be alive except the pandemic struck them down ahead of their time. When this pandemic is over, and future epidemiologists study it, it’s only going to be a blip on the radar screen because so many of the people dying have already lived past the average lifespan for people in 2020. Numbers don’t have feelings, and while everyone who has died in 2020 from complications from the virus is special to the people left behind, this isn’t where the pandemic will leave its mark. Future researchers are going to find studying the aftermath of the panic much more interesting.

        • Mothy67 says:

          What hasn’t been learned because they made it political? How much has the data been distorted cause orange man bad? Will it make it worse next time?

  40. Mothy67 says:

    Off topic
    What is your favorite 1970’s hit silly song.
    Mine is Andy Kim Rock me Gently

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  42. helenk3 says:

    Happy New Year to All Here

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