Trump Is Legally And Factually Innocent, But So What?

It says 2021 on the calendar but it’s still 2020 until Biden* is inaugurated at Pretender of the Untied States. Nothing could be more 2020 than impeaching Donald Trump one last time.

I know that just like the last time (was it only a year ago?) Trump is legally and factually innocent. I know this because the news media is not showing us a clip of Trump saying or doing something illegal or inappropriate. Watch the clip above and/or read the story below:

Sen. Toomey: Trump Committed Impeachable Acts, Faces Possible Criminal Liability

Senator Pat Toomey (R-PA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that President Donald Trump did commit impeachable acts by inciting the riot on Capitol Hill last week.

Host Jake Tapper said, “Your Republican colleague Senator Murkowski of Alaska says President Trump should resign. She said, quote, ‘He’s caused enough damage.’ Do you agree?

Toomey said, “Yeah, I do. I think at this point, with just a few days left, it’s the best path forward, the best way to get this person in the rearview mirror for us that could happen immediately. I’m not optimistic it will. But I think that would be the best way forward.”

Tapper asked, “Do you think the president should be impeached? Would you vote to remove him from office?”

Toomey said, “I think the president did commit impeachable offenses. There is little doubt in my mind about that. I don’t know. As a practical matter, it is actually possible to do an impeachment in the handful of days that are left. It is likely if the House does pass Articles of Impeachment, we wouldn’t get them until — I don’t know Tuesday or Wednesday. We are less than one week to go at that point. I am also not at all clear that it is constitutionally permissible to impeach someone after they have left office. So there may not be a viable impeachment route at this point. But certainly, he could resign, and that would be a very good outcome.”

He added, “I think there is also a possibility that there is criminal liability here.”

Oh noes, not possible criminal liability!

Incitement is rarely prosecuted because that pesky First Amendment protects speech. The legal standard for a constitutionally permissible conviction for incitement is set forth in the 1969 case Brandenburg v. Ohio which created the “Imminent Lawless Action” test. The test concludes that speech can be punished without violating the First Amendment if it follows two criteria: 1) The speech invites imminent lawless action and 2) The speech is likely to produce said action.

Articles about seminal cases in constitutional law will often use the phrase “and its progeny” as in “Brandenburg and its progeny” to refer to the original holding and numerous subsequent cases that develop and define what is and isn’t permissible. Let’s apply the test to what Trump actually said.

{{Insert Final Jeopardy Theme here}}

Wait . . . you don’t have the Trump quote? I didn’t bring it, I thought you had it. Let’s watch this ABC news video titled “How President Trump could be prosecuted for inciting violence.” Kate Shaw is a law professor at Cardoza Law so I’m sure she’ll quote the facts and apply the law properly.

Well, that wasn’t elucidating. Okay, here’s the short and sweet version:

In order to be guilty of incitement to riot Trump would have to urge his supporters at the rally to break the law and they had to be likely to do exactly what he said. Telling the truth, no matter how inflammatory, cannot be the basis for such a charge.

Prior to the Trump era, the conventional wisdom was that to impeach a POTUS you would need solid evidence of serious lawbreaking. Nowadays you just need enough votes in the House and Senate. In criminal cases you need reasonable suspicion to detain, probable cause to arrest and/or search, and proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict.

But impeachment is a political act. You cannot stop an impeachment by moving to dismiss because the prosecution failed to allege a crime. The facts are irrelevant. All it takes is a mere majority in the House to approve a bill of impeachment. Then it goes to the Senate for trial. If 67 Senators vote to convict, the person being impeached is turned out of office and there is no appeal. So just because there is no legal case to impeach Trump that doesn’t mean it won’t happen. It happened a year ago, and Mitt Romney voted to convict.

If it happens again, Mitt Romney won’t be the only Republican voting to convict.

Onm Saturday evening I almost wrote a post that would have been titled “Today is gonna be ugly,” with “Today” referring to Sunday. After thinking it over I decided I would rather spend the day in the fetal position.

A typical situation that causes my bile ducts to kick into high gear is where an alleged journalist begins a question with a prefatory statement that is untrue and then uses that statement as a premise of their question.

In the first impeachment is was alleged that Trump abused his power by withholding aid to Ukraine in order to induce Ukraine’s leaders to make up some dirt on Joe Biden* and his son Hunter. We were assured that there was “no basis” for any investigation of the Bidens. So the media is discussing whether or not Trump’s abuse of power was impeachable.

This kind of stuff is why Mom used to get mad at me for yelling at her television. The media embargoes any news of electoral theft. Anyone attempting to evade that embargo gets banned for pushing false and misleading stories. How do we know that the stories are false?.

Because the news media says they true and social media is banning anyone who says they aren’t.

Homework: When someone online or in real life says that Trump incited a deadly riot, ask them to specifically quote you what Trump said. If they can’t find it tell them they have no basis. If they misquote Trump then tell them, “That is not what he said.” If they accurately quote Trump ask them to explain how that was an impeachable offense.

Follow these instructions and you will be banned from all major social media platforms by c.o.b. today. (It is not recommended that you try this in real life.)

These fellas don’t look like any Trump supporters I’ve ever seen

(Edited for typos and clarity)

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271 Responses to Trump Is Legally And Factually Innocent, But So What?

  1. SKANLYN says:

    Trump didn’t incite the Capitol riot and he shouldn’t be impeached or convicted of a crime. He will be both though. Free speech and dissent are now a thing of the past and you will see people prosecuted for expressing anything that deviates from the approved narrative. Trump didn’t cause this, it was coming anyway. But he did help expedite its arrival by being reckless. When free speech is in jeopardy you need to be strategic. He’s not a real strategic guy though. America is done. There is no more hope for it.

    • Somebody says:

      Part of why Trump won was because he didn’t bend to the PC police. If we the people wanted a milquetoast President, we would have elected one. Trump was the polar opposite and that’s a big part of why he won. He was our weapon, we had been dealing with SJW, PC bullshit infringement on our 1st amendment rights for over a decade and we the people had enough. Trump was one way we pushed back.

      His supposed “recklessness” was a feature not a bug

    • Constance says:

      Time will tell.

    • Constance says:

      But I do think the Republican Party is done. I have already gotten R fund raising “we need less divisive candidates to win in 2022.” I just answer back …”You stupid cucks won in 2020 and were such a bunch of cowering morons you didn’t take office.” But I have never been a Republican anyway so why should I waste time trying to convince stupid people where their problem lies. Patriot party here we come!!

      • SKANLYN says:

        Good luck starting another party. Good luck maintaining an existing one other than The Party – Amsoc (i.e., the next stage in the evolution of the Democrat Party). They are in full control. All of the channels for communicating your party’s platform or for promoting membership will be closed. It’s too late to stop what has begun.

        • Constance says:

          That is undoubtedly what “They” believe. You can see the Republicans who are hauled in front of the MSM cameras for their ritual Trump denouncements look stricken and stressed like hostages. The patriots I’ve been associated with knew this would happen as the fascist behavior of Democrats was so obvious. The have backups even to the point of phone trees and OMG! paper lists of associates. They never wanted to be separate from the milieu but I think they are very capable of making that happen.

  2. Dora says:

  3. Somebody says:

    Haven’t you heard? Those people are part of the Q-anon, alt-right, white supremacist hate group. In fact the guy in the middle with the fur and horns is The Q-anon Shaman. Why he’s super pro-Trump and is even friends with Rudy Giuliani there is even a photo supposedly of him in a business suit standing next to Rudy.

    This must be true because a guy in Arizona reported it and CNN, ABC and many MSM picked it up and repeated it. Now it is simply fact and cannot be questioned.

    How dare you question the overlords. I’m sure they know what they are talking about. Communist and pedophilia tattoos are all the rage with Trump supporters, you didn’t know that? 🙄

    • Constance says:

      I don’t get what sets MSM talking heads off about Q. I didn’t even know about it until I heard some reporter try to get President Trump to explain or denounce Q. Who cares? What is the big deal if a bunch of people want to do an online “treasure hunt”? I will say this Q people get more right about what’s going on than the deliberately oblivious MSM.

      • jadzia1971 says:

        We are representing a bunch of QAnon folks who got kicked off of YouTube. Ask me how much fun it is dealing with those lawyers (eyeroll).

  4. Dora says:

    Anyone see ‘Boys From Brazil?

    • ginainmo says:

      I read the book long ago. They were cloning Hitler in South America.

    • Constance says:

      Well I do think that human appearing robots for sex with losers is a good idea. It could really cut down on human trafficking and sex slavery. Also it would likely lower the population. I do agree that it would be best to lower the human population on the planet however I would not do it by any means that appeals to Progressive fascists. So forced birth control or abortion or sterilization is out. War and deliberate pandemic is out. destructive drugs and withholding health care (Hydroychloroquine) is out. But I am all for letting idiot Libs abort their unwanted progeny and robot sex workers. I also like helping destitute women who don’t want children not get pregnant. Imagine how different the world would be if every child was just wanted.

      • elliesmom says:

        More than 1 million babies have already been aborted in 2021, and we aren’t even 2 weeks in. It makes the deaths due to covid-19 look puny in comparison.

        • Constance says:

          Very sad. Use birth-control people! These people are truly idiots. But we are over populated and if thoughtless shallow idiots don’t want to have children it’s a plus for the gene pool and the world.

          • elliesmom says:

            We aren’t overpopulated. That’s a holdover from the 70s propaganda when folks were trying to make abortion legal with some racism toward people in Africa and India who tend to have larger families thrown in. The issue is not that we have too many people. It’s how people have distributed themselves. The US is a prime example. Look at how our population is much denser along the coasts and other waterways. But there are large areas of the US where few people live. As farming methods have improved, we can feed more people on less land. Overpopulation was the climate change fearmongering of 50 years ago.

    • elliesmom says:

      This another good movie, too. Anna to the Infinite Power This is the whole movie on YouTube, I think, but it is streaming other places.

  5. Angie says:

  6. lateblum says:

    • lateblum says:

      I guess Bill Belichick will have seen his last real paycheck ever after this. They may try to strip his name from being the head coach of the many winning championship teams he led to victory.

    • elliesmom says:

      Folks are shitting bricks over this on my brother’s FB page. They’re demanding Belichick turn down the award. I sincerely hope the new political party that is most assuredly coming is called the Patriot Party. I’ll buy the popcorn when the calls to change the name of the team start.

  7. taw46 says:

    The elites once again show who is really in charge in our country. If you supported PDJT and called for a 10 day audit of the election results, you will no longer receive donations for your campaign. You have been cutoff from all funds.

    • Constance says:

      They are bankers. Trump hopes to topple the Central Bank and go with a gold standard (or something similar) Ask yourself what are these power people so afraid of, they are acting panicked. The Republicans being dragged out in front of the MSM look like they are making coerced hostage statements, except for Romney the happy idiot. I don’t think the election integrity caucus have anything to worry about because I suspect Trump will leave the Republicans and take his movement to a Patriot party. He will likely welcome effective, honest people from both parties and of course there won’t be many.

  8. elliesmom says:

    I think it’s time to start our own list. We could call it “The Good Germans” after all the people in Germany who stood by and let the Nazis take over.

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  12. Gram Kraken says:

    That great journalist John Sullivan aka Jayden X claims tattoo guy is ‘skinhead’ Jason Tankersley.

    • Somebody says:

      The Capitol building itself is full of cameras inside and out that have the most sophisticated facial recognition software, probably in the world, but definitely in the US.

      So ask yourself, why is the FBI using footage from people’s phones? What could be the possible excuse for not having all of the security footage which will show everything from beginning to end from various angles? Do they have? If not, why not? I mean this is supposedly bigger than 9-11, so madame speaker turn over the tapes.

      A guy on another site that went to DC on the 6th had the FBI show up at his door at O’dark thirty this morning. They wanted to take his 17 year old son and chat with him. Dad said, I don’t think so. Long and short of it, the FBI was there based on an anonymous tip that someone supposedly recognized his son from the footage and dropped a dime on him.

      The boy was there with his family outside, they never entered or even got close to the Capitol. They were together all day and have pictures and witnesses to prove it. They were with a group that went there by bus. Dad refused to turn any of that over, he will be contacting an attorney.

      The bottom line though, is that based on an anonymous tip, without doing any investigation, not even checking out the tipster they came after his son. The agents admitted that they had not checked out the veracity of the tip. They said they were just following orders. Gosh, where have we heard that before?

      I believe this man when he says he was with his son all day. He’s a former marine, he was a Trump campaign volunteer and he’s been posting a long time. He had already given an account of what he saw and heard back on the day it happened. They left the speech when it ended and hung around the reflection pool awhile. Made their way to the Capitol, they saw people up on the steps and the scaffolding. They had no idea people were inside, they stayed back on the lawn near the sidewalk waiting for events and speakers to start. Just before they left they began to hear about teargas and people had entered the Capitol from others. They made their way to where they needed to meet their bus as did most in their group.

      • taw46 says:

        I watched all of that on Wednesday. Mostly what they showed was a beautiful view of the Capitol with thousands of people on the steps and balconies waving their flags. And thousands on the ground in front of the building. Before they were tear gassed and before we knew they had broken into the building. The vast majority of the people were standing there peacefully and did not enter the building.

  13. dm says:

    Got a call from the RNC this morning with a quick 1 question survey about the green new deal. I said “is this a computer or a real person”? I was assured this was a real person. I said “in that case you can tell the RNC and the Republican Party to go f*ck themselves”.

    You know, I (and all of us) suffered through 8 years of Bush and 8 years of Obama. I found it rather refreshing that we had a President who wasn’t interested in starting any new wars, was actively working to bring our troops home, brokering peace deals in the mid-east and didn’t have to bow down and kiss anybody’s ring to do it. I still do not comprehend how people can hate Trump so much yet are so uninformed as to what he has or hasn’t done…I guess I will never be able to comprehend that kind of hatred. And for the first time I find myself shying away from conversation with family and friends because they ALL fit this category of uniformed hatred. I am just so done. I’m hoping that at some point in my future, I can come around and feel like a functioning member of society, but at this point I just don’t want to.

    • taw46 says:

      I love your reply to the RNC. lol, I would love to do that, but I don’t answer the phone if I don’t recognize the caller. And I know exactly how you feel, I don’t understand the hatred myself. That’s why I won’t talk with my relatives about it.

  14. taw46 says:

    – IF – this is true, I guess RSBN will be shutdown for daring to cover it. The report is that he will speak at 1:30.

  15. Gram Kraken says:

    Chewbacca guy, Jake Angeli, showed up on my Instagram picture montage.
    You might wonder why Instagram thinks I am interested in the Vampire Court of Houston. My life has taken an unexpected turn necessitating learning about and documenting the awesome delights of Houston, including Polyamory throples, the burlesque sex industry, Patreon and OnlyFans porn sites, Shibari & rope riggers, suspension by hooks in your flesh, vinyl & fat fetishes, BDSM & sex dungeons, Cosplay, and the like. All of this marketed as ’empowering women’.

  16. votermom says:

    interesting convo overheard thus morning at werk. one of them is deadly scared of wuflu karen but is otherwise an old stye lib. the other is a passive soiboi. the karen was saying she thinks impeachment is a step too far. sez the ones who “broke in ” should bear responsibility.
    later she sez country is going to hell (in a disgusted voice)

  17. Mothy67 says:

    I think jack thinks twitter is more important than it is. I was only there for Trump. It was hardly a significant part of my life. I think he is a very sick person from the few interviews I have seen.

    • elliesmom says:

      I went to the National Science Teachers’ Conference when Twitter was just opening up for registrations. A representative from Twitter spoke to the group about what a boon Twitter was going to be to education. In the hierarchy of subjects, science teachers were among the first to embrace technology in the classroom, and the people in the room couldn’t for the life of them see what value 140 character posts were going to have. It’s been about 15 years since I went to that conference. In the meantime I completed a doctorate in educational technology and worked as the STEM curriculum coordinator for an international online high school, and Twitter didn’t make even a tiny ripple in the education world.

      • lateblum says:

        That wasn’t their primary goal. Making money was Twitter’s primary goal. They did that.

        • elliesmom says:

          Every business’s primary goal is to make money, and that’s fine. Twitter made its money on political junkies and celebrities and their groupies. Their unsuccessful push into the world of education was to try for some redeeming social value. It has none.

    • 1539days says:

      Dorsey looks like a homeless bum who gives blowies for drug money.

    • taw46 says:

      Someone pointed out on twitter that Don Jr. doesn’t have an account on Parler, so that is fake. But I do hope they are planning a social network platform for sometime in the future.

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  19. Gram Kraken says:

    By Jim Hoft
    Published January 11, 2021 at 11:35am

    • Gram Krakken says:

      Saw this earlier at Jayden X John Sullivan twitter

      • taw46 says:

        Why is anyone listening to him? Why was he in the Capitol but not being charged with anything? He was in DC this summer calling for people to yank the mf out of the WH, not wait for the election. Is he trying to stir up something on the 17th, Mr. InsurgenceUSA?

        • Gram Kraken says:

          I don’t know if anyone really listens to him, but the IC should have a pretty good idea of the ID of BLM, Antifa, Proud Boys, Q, skinheads and others who travel around the country to various protests and rally. IC infiltrate, followup on tips, monitor the intertubes, and money transfers if illegal activity is evident. The Proud Boys leader was arrested in DC upon arrival from Miami.

          Why hasn’t he been charged? He doesn’t have a press pass and even if he did, you don’t get into the Capitol with any old press pass. If others around him were charged, then he and his blond videographer should also be charged. Additionally, in his video he can be heard saying that he has a knife. If so, he brought a weapon into the Capitol. WTF?! He is reputed to attend stuff and sell video/photos. But how does he really make enough money to fly around the country, support himself and pay for his equipment? Is he a spook? Oh, me bad, change that to informant/snitch?

          • taw46 says:

            All very interesting about him. Maybe he really is a snitch. Or they won’t touch him because he is BLM. Wasn’t he the one on Anderson Cooper’s show after the riot last Wednesday?

        • lateblum says:

          I had read somewhere that he was taken into custody on Wednesday and then after being questioned, he was released. I’d like to know why.

  20. Dora says:

    • Constance says:

      I don’t get this because there are no inauguration events planned. Trump controls the military and there is a military build up in DC and they are heavily armed. Trump says he will not attend the non existent inauguration so MAGAs won’t come to DC. Gosh, I wonder how the MSM explains this, but not enough to watch them.

      • taw46 says:

        They either have intelligence that there will be trouble on the 20th, or else they just want to scare the American people that there will be so they can impose some more draconian shit on us.

        • Mothy67 says:

          But Trump is in charge not them.

          • Constance says:

            I know. Trump is the only one who can order the Military to do anything. He even has control of the National Guard troops if the Insurrection act is in effect. Democrats aren’t building 7 ft tall fences in DC and they didn’t call the military.

          • Mothy67 says:

            My 15 seconds on gab someone said helicopters were circling the vp residence? Rewatching Breaking Bad anf letting imagination run.

          • Constance says:

            I think Pelosi and Pence would be easy to scoop up as the military could just act like they were going to protective custody which is a usual procedure. Funny because on my 15 mins of Gab a woman demanded to know why no one is curious why Pelosi was not in the Congress building today.

      • Gram Kraken says:

        Military is there so XIden can claim to have an inauguration audience in the thousands. Otherwise how many white circles can you get on the lawn in front of the Capitol?

        • Constance says:

          That’s a pretty funny visual a Democrat sworn in as President who only has heavily armed military at his inauguration. And most of his followers are so stupid they won’t notice it is off.

  21. John Denney says:

    “Telling the truth, no matter how inflammatory, cannot be the basis for such a charge.”

    Love that sentence!

    The Truth should be a dear friend.

  22. lyn5 says:

    Hubby’s sister shard this from a friend:
    “I’m sorry to post this, but we must bear witness. This is a still photo from a video. The officer on the ground is Officer Brian Sicknick of the Capitol Police. He may be unconscious at this point. He was dragged down the steps and beaten by the Trump mob. He later died of his injuries.”
    If you are a friend who still harbors the idea that this riot was equivalent to the peaceful BLM protests that were held in 2020 and was simply an expression of free speech, please rethink that. I know Fox News is not showing these images. They’d like you to believe another false narrative.”

    • lyn5 says:

      Her profile pic.

    • taw46 says:

      Lyn, I saw the video/photo earlier. In the video, there is a group fighting with the police in the doorway. Then there is a still photo showing a policeman lying on the floor of the balcony. It doesn’t show anyone beating him, in fact it looks like some people were helping him up. He could have fallen on the steps from the doorway, you really can’t tell what is going on from that photo. Also, someone in the remarks said that it was not Officer Sicknick, but a DC Metro policeman (who did not die). And the authorities said yesterday that it appeared Sicknick died from a medical condition, they did not have evidence at that time he was beaten. That of course could change at any time.

      If I can find that video again, I will post it for you.

  23. DeniseVB says:


    • lateblum says:

      The headline of the story is:
      ‘I Don’t Want You In The Store, I Don’t Want You Near Me:’ Elmhurst Cigar House Owner Puts Up Sign Reading, ‘Biden Voters Keep Out’

    • Constance says:

      This will be interesting. Will the fascists go after him and say if you open a public space you must accept all different types of public? I thought that was the standard. So if Amazon or FB or Twitter opens a public, cyber space they should have to accept all different types of the public. I hope some idiot Lib challenges this and it goes to the Supreme Court.

    • foxyladi14 says:

      No machines!!! 😆

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  25. helenk3 says:

    pat toomey= benedict arnnold in today’s world. These rebels in Philadelphia who wrote the Declaration of Independence would have kicked his tory ass.

  26. Mothy67 says:

    I have a fantasy nancy is in custody right now.

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  33. Miranda says:

    The FBI are saying there will be ‘armed protests in all 50 capitals’ next week. True or an excuse?

    • Constance says:

      Probably an Antifa/BLM/CIA attempt to discredit MAGA. And the truth is if nothing is done about the rigged election I believe it will come to violence. If the MAGAs can see something is being done then I believe not much will happen. But they have dragged this out until the very last second and people are fed up with the corruption.

    • Constance says:

      I used to keep FOX on as background noise. Now I’ve gone to no TV. It’s really peaceful. I don’t care about their changes. But interesting article.

  34. taw46 says:

    This is a long thread, but interesting from someone who was there.

  35. lyn5 says:

    • lyn5 says:

      • votermom says:

        find it hard to believe those aren’t antifa in drag

        • Constance says:

          I hate to see it too but I have read so many Patriots who have patiently waited for the rigged election to be dealt with. And I’ve read all kinds of guesses and stories that I increasingly fear are meant to keep stringing them along until Biden is inaugurated. It’s been two months. So the time is here to act. Of course the 10,000 heavily armed military in DC is abnormal and very impressive. But I think it is clear these guys will take it to the streets rather than sit by and watch Biden installed in their country.

  36. Dora says:

    France, Germany, Mexico, Australia Join International Outcry over Censorship of Donald Trump

    An international outcry over tech censorship is underway, as political leaders from Mexico to Europe voice their alarm at the unchecked power of Big Tech, following the purge of President Donald Trump by the Big Tech Masters of the Universe

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  39. votermom says:

    parler hacked before it was shut down
    (warning the article is written by an obvious demfazi)

  40. lyn5 says:

    • John Denney says:

      Reminds me of when my friend Brad accidentally put his elbow through one of the panes of glass in the restroom door at McSorley’s Gentemens Parlor in Manhattan.
      The guy running the place was livid.
      “That window was there for a hundred years!!!”
      Brad was pretty drunk and just told him to f*** off.
      The original panes had a big, thick dot in the middle, and got thinner in concentric circles toward the edges, making me think they were formed by dipping the end of a rod into molten glass, then spinning it to make a circular sheet.
      They were colored glass. That, and because they were ripply, made them effectively translucent — they let light through, but you couldn’t see through them.
      A few had already been replaced with plain, clear, modern glass, which wasn’t a big deal when it was a male only establishment, but women were now being allowed in, and there was still only the one restroom.

  41. Mothy67 says:

    Wow fox lost every hour (by a lot) on Friday in the coveted demo and toatal viewers. You would think the RNC would take notice.
    Still find it hard to believe anyone could sit through cooper.

  42. Gram Kraken says:

    Aw sheet! Forget about Trump organizing a new party called the ‘Patriot Party’.

    USA TODAY. PHOENIX –Jake Angeli the QAnon-supporting man who briefly took the dais during the storming of the U.S. Capitol — while wearing a fur hat topped with buffalo horns and wielding a spear — has been arrested and charged, the Justice Department announced Saturday.

    Angeli told the FBI he came to D.C. “as part of a group effort, with other ‘patriots’ from Arizona, at the request of the President that all ‘patriots’ come to D.C. on January 6, 2021,” the statement of facts reads.

    During the 2020 campaign, Angeli was at nearly every march, rally or protest in the Phoenix area. After Election Day. Angeli typically carried a cardboard sign that looked intentionally weathered. It read: Q Sent Me.

    As he was beginning his return trip to Arizona, he spoke with NBC News on Thursday, .’This was really big’ and that he thought the day was a political success. “The fact that we had a bunch of our traitors in office hunker down, put on their gas masks and retreat into their underground bunker,” he said. “I consider that a win.” He also said he didn’t do anything wrong by entering the U.S. Capitol. “I walked through an open door, dude,” he said.

    The Republic interviewed Angeli during 2020 as part of a series of stories and a mini-documentary on the Patriot movement in Arizona, the increasingly powerful right-wing of the Republican party. Some adherents promoted conspiracy theories including the baseless idea of QAnon, a wide-ranging conspiracy theory. But its central belief is this: A government official with top-secret “Q” clearance anonymously posted cryptic clues about secret investigations being conducted by Trump into a “deep state” cabal of elites that controlled a child sex trafficking ring.

    Angeli said that his research into the secretive groups he believes control the world — Illuminati, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg group, among others — predated the rise of the QAnon movement. “When you really do enough research,” he said, “it all ties together.”

    • DandyTIger says:

      That guys cheese done slid off his cracker.

      • Somebody says:

        That guy if you research him is an attention whore. He’s been at all kinds of protests and rallies for all kinds of issues left and right for years. He’s an aspiring actor, I guess he’s constantly looking for his 15 minutes and boy has he found it courtesy of the MSM. He has now become the face of the MAGA movement.

      • DeniseVB says:

        He’s an ACTor and the media slobbered up all his drool. He’s role playing to help paint Trump supporters as whackadoodles with the Q nonsense. “statement of facts” reads? LOL, it’s also USA Today, which seems pretty giddy to have put a face on MAGA. Why not got after the cop killers in stead of cartoon boy?

  43. Mothy67 says:

    Gab is working very well for the moment.

    • jeffhas says:

      I find it hard to believe Trey Gowdy actually said those words… and meant them in support of DJT.

  44. Dora says:

    • Anthony says:

      I mused about this in a comment a few days ago when I said that a corporate oligarchy – big media, big banks, big pharma, big tech – were poised to become our overlords. Could Deutsche Bank have made it more obvious? And could the Democrats have made their complicity to hand our freedom over to them more apparent?

  45. Dora says:

    I think he is right.

  46. DeniseVB says:

    This makes me sick. It really does because the mob will never be happy………

    • Somebody says:

      What a chicken shit, what an asshole. DJT was his friend long before he entered politics. When many avoided him when his wife was going through cancer treatment, that happens btw, it’s a real thing. People don’t know what to do or say or whatever so they disappear from your life. Anyway, when Belichick’s wife was going through treatment and eventually died, DJT was steadfast, Belichick himself has stated so and emotionally said how much it meant to him.

      Flash forward to Belichick being arrested and charged with soliciting prostitution. At that point Trump was POTUS, the easy and expedient thing for Trump politically would have been to shun Belichick, to denounce him, to pile on while the media went after him. Trump did not do that, he stood by his friend and Belichick was eventually cleared.

      Time after time when it would have easier to abandon Belichick, Trump chose not to. That’s the measure of a man and a true friend. Now when it is expedient for his waning career Belichick abandons and backstabs someone he supposedly counted amongst his closest friends. If I worked for or was in Belichick’s circle I would never, ever trust him, because when it’s gut check time Bill folds like a cheap suit.

      • elliesmom says:

        The Patriots are all but dead. They play in a state where people are asking for more lockdowns. Who knows when fans will be allowed back into Gillette Stadium? They’ve lost Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski to Tampa Bay. It’s like the Red Sox trading Babe Ruth. The curse will be upon them. I suspect Belichik will miss having Trump for a friend more than Trump will miss him. It gets cold in Foxboro.

    • Anthony says:

      Add the NFL to the corporate oligarchy

      • lateblum says:

        If the NFL decisions r/t the BLM movement didn’t make it clear to people, this now tells us what we need to know about where they stand. I wonder if they will cut or drop or terminate players, coaches, managers and owners who ever stated support for PDJT.

        • elliesmom says:

          The owner of the Patriots, Robert Kraft is one of Trump’s friends. He was the one caught in the massage parlor sting, not Belichik, and it was Kraft Trump stood by when his wife died. I also think Kraft ordered Belichik to turn down the award from Trump. Bill has been taking a lot of heat from what few fans he has left, and how they descended on him to turn down the award is more likely what fueled him. As rabid as the fans have been to Belichik over the award, they tolerated Brady’s support of Trump because he won games. Belichik’s 7-9 record this season won’t get him the same pass.

          • Somebody says:

            You are correct, I confused the two🤗 Has Kraft spoken on the record about any of this?

            I don’t follow NFL much, sorry for the mistake. Close but no cigar.

          • elliesmom says:

            I don’t follow football, either, but I’m surrounded by people who do. I mixed up Belichik and Kraft at first, too. When I was a teen, we could go to a baseball game for less than the cost of a movie ticket, but we had to save up for football tickets. That, and it’s warm and sunny at ball game, and you froze your tush going to a football game.

    • taw46 says:

      So many cowards among us. Just chalk Belichick up as another one.

  47. DeniseVB says:

    A Trump supporter? Yeah, right.

  48. Dora says:

  49. Dora says:

    They must have noticed their ratings!


    FNC has decided to shake up their line up with the New Year. Martha McCallum is demoted to afternoon news while a new ‘conservative’ program will take the 7pm slot.

    • elliesmom says:

      I enjoyed McCallum’s series of interviews with WWII vets. She does a good interview with a sympathetic subject. The “demotions” are the pretty much folks who participated in election night coverage. Hers is the most glaring. I’m not sure how Bret Baier remains unscathed. Maybe McCallum is taking the heat for both of them. Bill Hemmer gets demoted back to chair a morning show with Dana Perino. I’m not sure what she did to get demoted, but she’s often a complete ditz. Her internet show where she reads to kids is sweet, though. Hemmer is a good straight news guy. He must have made someone mad. Harris Faulkner keeps her own show, but with a new name and time. I don’t know if just before noon is a demotion from the 1 o’clock slot. It will interesting to see who first chairs Outnumbered, but I’m guessing Faulkner will still be in one of the chairs on a semi-regular basis. I haven’t seen where she’s been kicked off that one.

      The interesting thing is there is no one person slated to take over McCallum’s slot at 7 pm. It looks like there’s going to be a competition. It says Fox didn’t have long term plans to oust McCallum. If Fox doesn’t pick another woman, their evening line-up become testerone heavy from 6 until they get to Laura. Lots of women in weekend lineups. I doubt the slot will go to a totally new face.

      • Mothy67 says:

        Hemmer is dull. He should have kept the glasses which gave him an air of gravitas.
        I think Faulkner lost a chunk with the soros cut away. Macullum never curdled my cream.
        I don’t think the brothers Murdock grasp what the Trump phenomenon is. I don’t miss fox at all and I had it on as background all day. OAN is okay for a spell, HGTV works unless it’s property brothers. Still warming up to newsmaxx. I will never vote, support, listen to a romney or a bush. I want a fighter who pulls no punches with my interests at heart.
        I do believe they believe we are inferior and can’t comprehend their lies or feeble manipulations. I used to like to read The NY Post and The Daily Mail with coffee- both have gone TDS. I don’t need them at all.

        • elliesmom says:

          I seldom turn my TV on until after 5, but when ED was alive, we sometimes watched something while we had our lunch. It made keeping a conversation going easier for him. So I mostly know the ladies who do Outnumbered in the Fox daytime lineup. I know nothing about Fox’s morning shows. Watching The Five occasionally introduced me to Gutfeld, Watters, and Perino. Dana I already knew from her days at the White House, but not well. I knew Juan Williams and Donna Brazile from their previous assignments. For me, Fox in the evening hours revolved around my watching Tucker Carlson. If I tuned in a little early, I might catch McCallum’s closing, and if I didn’t turn the channel immediately, I might catch a bit of Hannity. I have enjoyed Tucker Carlson long before he joined Fox, and he’s on my Fantasy Dinner Party guestlist. Deciding whether or not to watch his show in the evening is one of those “cut off your nose to spite your face” things for me. I don’t watch anything else on Fox, and would not watching one show I enjoy make much difference to them? If Tucker were to leave, I’d follow him to wherever his new show was. I’ve already done it twice.

      • Anthony says:

        Brett Baier us a Never Trumper, McCallum is not. I liked her. She was pretty much fair when she reported an item, and equal handed with both praise and disapproval. FNC has jumped the fence abd joined the *resistance

        • elliesmom says:

          But it doesn’t appear they have for their primetime shows. I can’t speak for Laura Ingraham because I haven’t and still don’t watch her, but Tucker has been on fire lately. I only catch a few minutes of Hannity while I figure out what to watch next, but he doesn’t seem to have toned down much in his opening monologue. I know those are the three shows that pay the bills at Fox News, and the Fox Overlords seem to know it, too.

          • Mothy67 says:

            I nearly always catch Tucker’s opening here or online somewhere. Hannity wears thin. Did you know he worked as a dishwasher and in construction? Tick tock. Ugh.

          • Anthony says:

            I heard from a usually reliable source that Greg Gutfeld already has a foot out the door (his choice). I’ll believe it when I see it. Actually, that’s my stance on just about everything these days… talk is cheap, show me results

    • foxyladi14 says:

      I kicked out the Fox!!

  50. elliesmom says:

    In the realm of the totally trivial- Pantone’s color for 2021 is a bright yellow. Coincidentally, it’s the color of the jacket I wear during hunting season when I go walking in the woods and the yellow Star of David Jews were forced to wear.

  51. votermom says:

    Mothy can you get in gab on your kindle fire?
    I can only get on on my phobe thru the duckduckgo browser

    • Mothy67 says:

      Yes I can.
      I too get it on phone with duckduckgo. I noticed that last night. Proggies are simple people. Even if some of these sites were bastions of hate that doesn’t mean I would suddenly become a racist. Seriously if humsn beings were that susceptible then I’d be straight and can’t you flip the argument on them. All the teen shows have started being quite graphic in the sexual realm aren’t they therefore by their own definition destructive?

    • Mothy67 says:

      Works on older kindles I have about as well ( yes I have stepped on more than one- why my ipad rarely leaves a drawer)

    • taw46 says:

      I am finally able to sign into Gab, on my desktop and iPhone.

      • taw46 says:

        Just now looking around. And it is vastly improved since the last time I looked at it, many moons ago. lol.

        • elliesmom says:

          I get a Gab newsletter emailed to my elliesmom email so I probably have an account, but I can’t get in. I’m up at the crack of dawn most days, and I definitely will be tomorrow because I have an early morning grocery delivery so I’ll try then.

  52. DeniseVB says:

    Holy Sh*t, we’re f**ked for sure………..the socialist left is taking over.

    • elliesmom says:

      Even with control of the Senate in the Democrats’ hands, the only bills Sanders has been able to get passed are ones that name streets and post offices. I’m going to rely on his incompetence to get us through.

  53. Dora says:

  54. Dr. Myiq2xu says:

    • lateblum says:

      Isn’t she part of the 1619 project ? She was on board with “deprogramming whites” before Eugene Robinson mentioned it. They must be on Nanzi Pelosi’s payroll. Or is Nanzi on their payroll?

    • lyn5 says:

      LOL. How do we deprogram Trump haters.

  55. Dora says:

    Bannon’s News Site.

    (Looks Like Drudge)

    • Mothy67 says:

      Identical to drudge.
      Has an interesting article on covid and addiction. Nothing any one with a brain couldn’t piece together, but first time I have seen an actual article. I think I have read of four jumpers in Manhattan over the last two months. The short and long term effects of lockdown are being completely ignored.

      • lateblum says:

        Illinois has had 18 kids suicide related to the closing of schools and elimination of school sports this year. I’m certain there are many more very sad situations r/t the school shutdown – physical abuse, sexual abuse, verbal abuse, psychological abuse, food deprivation, increased anxiety and depression, insomnia, fear of others, decreased self confidence. It is a catastrophe for kids and with the Teachers’ Unions now controlling if and when teachers return to their classrooms, the kids don’t have any idea where they will be safe in the long run. In the many days and hours that I’ve sat in on the remote learning, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard adults (in the home background) berating, and calling out some of the kids as the sessions begin. While I realize this may be mostly due to the frustration of having the kids 24/7 and being ill prepared to be teachers as well as parents without any break, it is happening and kids are the ones being impacted by these lockdowns most of all.

        • Mothy67 says:

          We haven’t isolated brat at all and the school is letting the kids without tons of tech at home use their school issued chromebooks at will. Swim is still going. I know of two kids who haven’t seen anyone their age since MARCH.
          I asked da pup and her sneak out after midnight friend if they feel like they are learning anything. They said not at all. Her future!

        • elliesmom says:

          When one of my FB proggie friends writes a post whining about the cootie flu restrictions, I politely, and with all of the appropriate smiley emojis, ask if she’s had enough yet. They always write a long comment back listing why they feel good about following the restrictions and how they know they’re keeping other people from getting sick, and well, this one thing just upset them today. Then I respond back, “So the answer to my question is no.” Until people start answering the question if they’ve had enough already with a resounding “YES!!!”, this is going to go on. I thought if Biden becomes POTUS, the restrictions would go away, but I’m not sure anymore. It doesn’t seem to be costing our overlords enough to make them stop overlording.

    • Mothy67 says:

      I wonder if mimicking drudge was a marketing ploy. He will be called out on it thus getting loads of free advertisement.

  56. Dora says:

    They are implying that the armed protesters are all Trump supporters. We know who will get the blame if there is trouble.


    FBI warns ‘armed protests’ are being planned in all 50 states ahead of Inauguration Day

    ‘A huge uprising’

    • Dora says:

      Raheem Kashan on War Romm just stated that there are fake non-sanctioned rallies being promoted around the country, at the State capitols, In some cases encouraging people to bring weapons. These are NOT endorse events. False Flags?

      • Constance says:

        Well they say the “Boogaloo bois” are doing it which is CIA so I’d stay away. I get messages from several Patriot groups and they haven’t mentioned them. If something breaks and it is clear there is action on the rigged election I doubt Patriots will show up. If there is no obvious effort shown, they might show but I don’t think many of them will act until Biden is sworn in. Q seems to spawn a lot of extreme feelings on both sides. Libs think Q needs to be shut down. Quite a few Patriots think Q is stringing patriots out until it is too late to take action.

  57. foxyladi14 says:


    • Dora says:

      Thank You Foxy!

    • Constance says:

      Cool. So point made, people saw him not a decoy, he talked briefly stating he wanted peace for everyone and calling out censorship as bad for the country. Got on the plane and the plane markings were obviously visible, plane took off as we watched. Do they always do this much documenting?

  58. Mothy67 says:

    I was reading about how difficult it is for many conservative sites, orgs to raise money. Paypal and cc companies won’t permit you to donate. How is this not terrifying.
    We have discussed boycotts in the past here with as I recall most being against them, but now a minority has taken control of everything and if you have wrong thought they will destroy you. I don’t think enlightment camps are a stretch. Progressives are nuts.

    • elliesmom says:

      There are lots of issues that get in the way of boycotts because so many things are intertwined. Like I would gladly boycott Paypal. For the most part they’ve been more trouble than they’re worth. But if I’m going to buy less from Amazon, a lot of small businesses only accept payment through Paypay, or for real irony, Amazon Pay. If you want to make a contribution to a conservative cause, I promise you they will accept a check if you mail them one. If you go complete Galt and stop banking, you can get a postal money order.

      • Mothy67 says:

        I don’t have physical checks, but I guess I could write an echeck. I had to do a money order for a school thing- it was so strange. Pay to the order of. It’s been at least ten years since I wrote a check.

        • elliesmom says:

          When you live out in the sticks, the repairmen and other folks you need to do things for you don’t always take credit cards or echecks. I keep a book of checks around for things like that.

          • jadzia1971 says:

            That was a surprise to me when I moved into a smaller town. Like, my nail lady only takes checks! As does pretty much everybody who doesn’t hint around about getting paid under the table.

  59. taw46 says:

  60. taw46 says:

    A thread about John Sullivan’s activities in the Capitol Jan 6.

    • Somebody says:

      If you watch his video he also says he broke a window. Says he didn’t think he hit it that hard. When he meets up with a girls he knows he tells her, see I told you, we did it. Several times he talks to people he appears to know and says he can’t believe they did it. He volunteers he has a knife and he urges people to use their Kevlar to break down a door. I’m unaware that Kevlar is standard Trump rally gear, if so boy was I under dressed at the rallies here

      • taw46 says:

        Yes, I want to know why he was arrested then released. This person who was in DC this summer calling for the mf to be ripped out of the WH, not to wait for the election.

  61. Anthony says:

    I just dropped Ivan (Christian’s cat) at the vet. Rapid weight loss, gait changed, and showing symptoms of diabetes. I hope it’s that benign. Won’t be my first rodeo with a diabetic cat. I can’t take another tragedy… the Vet’s office is in a Trump building, so there’s that…

  62. taw46 says:

    • DandyTIger says:

      LOL. The only surprise is that they don’t want her (or really, her Chinese) money. I mean, they’re owned by China, what’s the big deal.

      • taw46 says:

        Well, the donation was only $500, so that was a cheap price to pay to look like you have ethics. I am sure if it had been a larger amount, it would not have been returned and we would not have heard about it.

  63. Mothy67 says:

    jack dorsey is 44. He reminds me of a lost kid right out of college. Baked 24/7. Just because he has 14 billion doesn’t mean his opinion is any more valid than a man on skid row.
    Funny how the eat the rich crowd esteems celebs and fucked up techies.

  64. DandyTIger says:

    Nice segment talking about Trump as a leader and Biden as a ruler. About how Biden is angry and other signs that he was installed, etc.

  65. lyn5 says:

  66. lyn5 says:

  67. taw46 says:

  68. lyn5 says:

    Cataract surgery was fast. The lens filters blue light and UV. I have to keep a card in my wallet.

  69. taw46 says:

    We really need a new post. Thank you!

  70. taw46 says:

    The President is in Alamo and will speak shortly. Newsmax will cover it.

  71. Dr. Myiq2xu says:

  72. lyn5 says:

    Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald

    In the last three months, tech giants have censored political speech and journalism to manipulate U.S. politics — banning reporting on the Bidens, removing the President, destroying a new competitor — while US liberals, with virtual unanimity, have cheered.

    The ACLU said the unity of Silicon Valley monopoly power to destroy Parler was deeply troubling. Leaders from Germany, France and Mexico protested. Only US liberals support it, because the dominant strain of US liberalism is not economic socialism but political authoritarianism.

    Probably the worst discourse tactic liberals are using is to accuse you of being pro-Terrorist or sympathizing with white supremacy if you question or are concerned about any of the powers they’re seizing & wielding for their new War on Terror – taken right from Cheney and Rove.

  73. foxyladi14 says:

    My President!! ❤

    • Constance says:

      Great speech. Still doesn’t refer to the Biden admin only how bad it would be if policy was repealed. Unless I filtered it out. It is a beautiful wall.

  74. Mothy67 says:

    Do you think you might cook crystal meth if you could get away with it and make millions? I wonder how tempted I would be if guaranteed no chance of being caught. As you can tell I am watching Breaking Bad.

    • elliesmom says:

      A lot of my students did a stint working in the local supermarket. If I had some cold or allergy meds in my groceries that needed approval for purchase because they could be used to make meth, they were often too young to be the one to do the override on the cash register. When they called for a manager to ring up the sale, they’d say, “Mrs. White needs help at cash register #whatever.” It took a manager who had seen Breaking Bad for him to get the joke.

      To answer your question- making meth is a dangerous process. In a laboratory properly outfitted that danger can be mitigated, but a basement is no place to do it. If Walt had the backing he needed, he would set up a safe lab, but a camper isn’t one. There’s no perfect way to insure you don’t get caught. I won’t spoil the story for you, and I don’t where you are in it, but Walt and Jesse often go undetected by pure luck.

  75. taw46 says:

    I love her. That is Schumer she is talking to.

  76. lyn5 says:

    Clarice Feldman

    BREAKING: PBS has fired Michael Beller, a mid-level staff attorney who was filmed by Project Veritas calling for the children of Trump supporters to be “put…into re-education camps.”
    (He’ll probably be replaced by someone in the PBS ranks who shares his views but is more circumspect about with whom he shares them.)

  77. Dora says:

    This is unbelievably cruel!


    McConnell believes Trump committed impeachable offenses, supports Democrats’ impeachment efforts: Report

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell reportedly believes that President Trump committed impeachable offenses and supports Democrats’ move to impeach him for a second time after last week’s Capitol riot.

  78. lyn5 says:

    Reclaim your time, J-PayPal.

  79. bojang bugami says:

    I found a comment at Naked Capitalism which could explain why some of the people there didn’t look like the average Trump supporter. Well . . . the last paragraph could explain it. So I will copy/paste it.

    “one thing…purely personal…that i’ve been angry about since wednesday, is that a bunch of the insurrectionist clowns looked a lot like me…bearded, hairy, unkempt.
    But i’ve always been this way…but this very type of person is very much akin to the rednecks that chased me with baseball bats for having “long hair”, back in the day.
    i was similarly angry with the duck dynasty people,lol.|
    of course, from the mug shots starting to appear, they grew it all out for this event, and then went home and shaved.”

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