Tuesday Open Thread

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  1. swanspirit says:

    Good Morning! I ❤ hanging baskets overflowing with flowers. Sometimes I find bird’s nests in them.🐦

    • foxyladi14 says:

      Good Morning! ❤

    • Mt.Laurel says:

      House Finch love to build their very sturdy nests in hanging baskets. I found ivy geraniums worked well as they are more drought resistant and you do not need to disturb baby birds as often. The plants get scraggly and need to be pruned but at least survive the temporary tenants and recover. Mourning doves prefer the planters as they make flat nests that look rather random. . Both often return each year when they are house hunting in the spring.

  2. Dora says:

    Good Morning. Last night I got out all the pillows I could find and propped them up on the bed. Tom seemed comfortable and was able to sleep in his own bed. So far, so good.

    I could cry for the once beautiful state of California. Even Barbara Boxer has become a victim.

  3. votermom says:

    Good morning!

  4. votermom says:

    I asked a question about clinical studies on masks and someone shared this with me


  5. DeniseVB says:

    Too funny, clip from Austin Powers……….

  6. elliesmom says:

    Most masks people have been wearing are made from cotton or cotton/polyester fabric like you’d use to make a quilt. The fabric is made by spinning fibers and then twisting the fibers into threads, which are then woven into fabric. The virus is small enough to move through the fabric at the fiber level. The analogy is used that a two layer cloth mask is like putting up a chainlink fence to keep mosquitoes out of your yard, but that isn’t true. The spaces in the links would have to be over a foot wide to be comparable to a two-layer cloth mask. The boxes of masks at the pharmacy say “Doe not offer protection from viruses” right on the box.

    When the debate about masks first began in 2020, several biomedical engineering testing companies put the results of the different kinds of masks they tested. One of them had a category “worse than wearing nothing”, and cloth masks were in that group. I posted a link to that study in a sewing group for people making and selling masks because I was concerned about the legal liability of the cottage industry that was springing up and got kicked out of the group. The studies have long been scrubbed from the internet, or I’d link that one for you.

    • elliesmom says:

      Should have been in response to votermom

    • votermom says:

      This month we finally were allowed not to wear masks where I work PT. Such a relief!
      Of course the virtue signalling mid mgt still wearing masks, which subtly pressures us underlings to do likewise, but I just ignore the social cues.
      They are openly hoping the dreaded Delta makes upper mgt bring the mask mandate back.

      • lyn5 says:

        Hubby’s Seattle sister is vaxxed, and she still wears a mask.

        • mcnorman says:

          Panic porn fuels this insanity. I’ve given up on the insanity. One vet still forces everyone to wait in the parking lot for a walk in. No way in Hell am I going to sit for 1-1 1/2 hours in 100+ degree weather with two dogs (one in end stage renal failure and the other with seizures of unknown origin). The other vet allows people and their pets in the office now. The vet told me that the protocols were born out of fear not health science.

          • swanspirit says:

            That’s right. Fear, the desire for control, and the appearance of ” doing something “

          • lyn5 says:

            My vet is allowing us to come in now too.

          • Mt.Laurel says:

            Our vets are mixed but many are keeping the queuing system as they found it keeps the Karen’s from trying to j7mp the line as they might find themselves in a waiting area with no mask wearers. I admit when I am just running for records for adoptions I like the new setup that I call a day or two before and they leave a packet with kitty name in a bin just for rescue groups so we do not have to wait just for papers. I

        • elliesmom says:

          I think it’s ‘fraught with humor” people who have been vaccinated don’t trust their vaccination, but they do trust a “face diaper”. All along a lot of these people have been virtue signaling they wear masks and get vaccinated to protect other people, but most unvaccinated people have signaled we don’t care whether they do or not. Ninety-nine percent of people who have been vaccinated have done it in their own interests- which is how it should be. They don’t want to get sick, they’ve been pressured by family and friends, need to keep a job, or want to be admitted somewhere. The ones who insist other people get vaccinated and wear masks aren’t half as worried about these other people as they are about getting sick themselves.

          What makes a conservative a conservative is accepting human nature for what it is. It’s easier to be “Not a Democrat” than to truly become conservative. You have to give up the idea you can change people. Not that people can’t change, but that you can make it happen.

          • swanspirit says:

            “Fraught with humor” is a very much underused phrase these days. Especially when there are so many applications.
            Quote from Michael Smith “I thought the Capitol Police were actual police. Apparently, they are just mall cops”

  7. Helen Kenney says:


    this is very serious. backtrack started kicking out good officers and replacing them with WOKE idiots and this is the result.

  8. Helen Kenney says:

    listening to this 1st capitol cop makes me very suspicious. What he is saying does not match what was filmed. still convinced this was a false flag op.

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  10. Mothy67 says:

    What would you do?
    My oldest brother came by. He was introducing us to my youngest brother soon to be wife. Dan cant have kids. He is sterile. He is going to marry a woman with kids. I was against it before I met her. Her husband killed himself with two sons. I was saying it takes two to tango. If he killed himself he was married to a woman that willfully didn’t see the signs. My brother wants to be a dad. I think that can work. The oldest boy who is only 13 made sure I knew he at least would be gayish. He presented his thing to me at full mast. I said slick decamp. That was it. Do i say anything.

    • elliesmom says:

      My niece’s fiance committed suicide a year and a half ago. She wasn’t blind to his depression. She worked hard to get him help. Made sure he took his medication and kept his therapy appointments. She also made sure his mom and siblings knew the situation. His father had committed suicide, too. They did nothing. One night my niece was stuck at work in a snowstorm, and she got home a couple of hours late. He was missing, and things didn’t look right so she called the police. They found him dead a couple of hours later. His family made her life hell until she moved and didn’t give them her new address. They left her with all of the funeral expenses and broke into the house the two of them owned and took anything that wasn’t nailed down. She needed a lawyer to get her own belongings back. She’s back on her own two feet and has started dating again. She knows she’s not to blame in her head, but in her heart she’ll always have doubts. If she finds herself engaged again, I would personally rip the heart out any of his family members who found her not worthy.

      • foxyladi14 says:

        I will help you em. ❤

      • ginainmo says:

        My first husband committed suicide. 33 years later, I’m surprised to hear that it takes two to tango in regards to him taking Ng his own life.

        Really, Tim? Unless you were inside the marriage, you have not idea what a surviving spouse did or did not do.

        Please give her a chance. And yes, you should report the blatant exposure you witnessed to the parents.

    • votermom says:

      a person determined to kill themself will find a way
      it’s a very selfish act for anyone who will leave survivors and I have zero sympathy for those that do

  11. jadzia1971 says:

    Hi, folks, I’m back from vacation. Ask me anything about the crazy dictatorship that happened while I was away.

    I’m kind of kidding, or more accurately, I’m kidding on the square here. While I was on vacation, the great unwashed, I mean, unvaccinated, were stripped of their right to vote in person, although I suppose they could go 48 hours in advance for a PCR test, which now costs 50 Euros a pop (we are now being charged for them to better “encourage” us to get the injections). There is no vote by mail in France. Not sure where the PCR tests will be gotten when election time comes around–the unvaccinated are also banned from receiving care at hospitals. Perhaps they will set up some tents.

    And when people protested, Macron lectured us FROM TAHITI that in order to deserve freedom, people have to do their “duty.” This guy is looking more and more like Louis XVI. Say what you will about Hollande and Sarkozy–I never got the feeling that they despised the people they were governing.

    Hope you-all are having a more small-d democratic summer than I am.

    • votermom says:

      See any protests?

      • jadzia1971 says:

        The city we were the closest to was Nice, which coincidentally has a shitheel of a mayor who doubled down and tried to out-Macron Macron by announcing that effective immediately, LITTLE CHILDREN would be banned from daycare facilities if they hadn’t been vaccinated or wouldn’t get (50 euros/pop) PCR tests every 48 hours. Thousands of pissed-off Nicoise showed up at the hotel de ville and the guy folded like a cheap suit and rescinded the daycare ban. Then as soon as they went home, he banned music on the beach and in bars.

        No, I’m not making this up.

        Now I would never say that we should pull the tumbrels out of storage, but if it happened, I would not be sad.

    • Mt.Laurel says:

      Well hope you enjoyed your vacation . Also hope that , as Bugs Bunny would say what a Maroon Macaroon, does not go full tilt crazy dictator . unfortunately he really seems committed to that path. Maybe his mummy, I mean wife, will let him play in the sand , and romp with natives till his demeanor and attitude improve. Drastically.

      • jadzia1971 says:

        I’ve heard that Brigitte (who really should have been sharing a cell with Marykay Letourneau, but I digress) doesn’t agree with her husband about the lockdowns and in particular, about imposing all these measures on schools and young people.

        Interestingly, she did not accompany him to French Polynesia, although she had been scheduled to do so.

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  13. votermom says:

    new conspiracry theory – Nanzi’s laptop was stolen on Jan 6, right?
    So, maybe part of the reason for their freakout is that it has evidence of their coup on it.
    And maybe this ties into the theft of Boxer’s phone – being a CA Dem royalty like Pelousy, she’s probably part of the conspiracy.

  14. Dora says:

    • Cisco says:

      Well, woman in the white skirt with the little balls around the bottom was nice to see.
      Maybe the Repubs will at least see what balls look like

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  16. swanspirit says:


    EDITORS’ PICK|Jul 27, 2021,08:37am EDT|226 views
    China Converts Car Ferries For Amphibious Assault
    David Hambling
    David HamblingContributor
    Aerospace & Defense
    I’m a South London-based technology journalist, consultant and author

    China is adapting commercial car ferries into vessels capable of carrying and launching amphibious assault craft into the water. This will fill a crucial gap in China’s capability to carry out an invasion of Taiwan.

    The program was turned up by a brilliant piece of open source intelligence by Conor Kennedy, who published his findings at the Jamestown Foundation’s global security website.

    Amphibious craft launch
    An amphibious craft seen launching from the ramp system during an exercise this year. CHINA STATE TELEVISION
    As Kennedy notes, China’s lack of amphibious assault ships has led some to question whether threats against Taiwan should be taken seriously. He looked instead at China’s fleet of Roll-On, Roll-Off (RO-RO) ships. This type of vessel was originally developed by the British military during WWII, when the Dunkirk evacuation highlighted the difficulty of getting vehicles rapidly on and off ships. Now RO-RO ships are used commercially worldwide, as drive-on car ferries and as an efficient way of transporting trucks.

    The distinguishing feature of the RO-RO is a ramp for vehicles to drive on and off. Amphibious assault vessels have a different type of ramp that can also be used for in-water operations for vehicles that can swim on or off the craft.

    In July 2020, the RO-RO vessel Bang Chui Dao, a 15,000-ton civilian ferry that usually operates across the Yellow Sea and Bohai Gulf, took part in a PLA navy exercise off the coast of Guangdong Province.

    Is anyone in the Biden administration paying attention? Or is selling out Taiwan part of the bargain?
    Instead of holding the Chinese accountable for ANYTHING, we are persecuting our own citizens for a protest.

    • lateblum says:

      I am currently using my personal computer. Happily I have no sound on my pc – I removed the speakers to use elsewhere. But I did take a peek at the Adam Kinzinger coverage this site had on it and read something he said. He said, “You guys held”. And i started th ink about how in the bloody hell could so few CP have “held” the thousands of people that were supposedly in DC that day if insurrection were truly on the agenda.
      I know I’m not a deep thinker, so this has more than likely been discussed eons ago. But it simply occurred to me that there isn’t a way those “insurrectionists” could have failed given their numbers.
      I am so tired of the lies and hypocrisy of the past few years. More than that, I’m angry that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the mission/agenda of the democrats has their patriotism questioned and their very existence challenged. I’m exhausted from it

      • Gram Krakka says:

        Jan 6 was the sorriest example of an insurrection if there ever was one. If Trump voters are truly a crazed cult of 2nd amendment, open-carry, trigger-happy insurrectionists, then why were they only “armed” with selfie-taking, smart phones? If it had been a real insurrection they would have brought some of the fire power, they keep locked up in their gun safes at home. Cause they all have their own personal arsenal at home, you know.


      • Somebody says:

        Leslie the low estimates are a half million. The high estimates are 1.5 million. Either way, far more than the DC and capitol police could hold back.

        Also, I’ve never heard of an insurrection without weapons, nor have I ever seen insurrectionist stay inside velvet rope lines……but meh, I don’t get out much🙄

  17. Helen Kenney says:

    the CDC is getting as incoherent as bid-on. mask on- mask-off whether you are vaccinated or not. HIs senility seems to be catching.

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  20. lyn5 says:

    Rain came down today in southern Oregon!

    Had to go to Medford today, and it rained the whole way back. Looks like it rained all day in Klamath Falls.

  21. lyn5 says:

    Newsies are enemies of the state, Bitch!

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  23. Mothy67 says:

    Ugh kindle won’t let me respond upthread.
    I said it takes two to tango. I won’t retract i said what i said i dont retract a few letters i have been there i ate a bottle of propanalol and drank 1.75 liter of vodka without a coat I walked into the woods in December
    I is that stooopid. I can’t even kill me. Trust me I suck i can’t even keel me. Two tango was not meant to hurt. I have a younger brother I err all the time.

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    h/t Angie

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  28. Mothy67 says:

    I dont know how to repond to elliesmom and her response to me saying it takes two to tango. She is a hero to me. I am not happy with me. I only spoke here about my brother marrying a woman whose first husband killed himself. I had her over and ordered in food. I wouldn’t cast blame and definitely not to some one my baby brother intends to marry. I ate 36 propanolol drank 1.75 liters of vodka and went to sleep under a tree in December without a coat. I lived, obviously, but I have seen the darkside. I didn’t mean to hurt anyone by saying it takes two. Its my baby bother. I wiped his ass. He is 28 years younger than me.
    Shaylas mom was getting frequent flyer miles in her probably tenth psych ward. She met crazy who said take back your daughter you have not called in five years. Say Tim is raping her. Thats all they have to do. I got a call Shay could not be under the same roof. I was willing to go to jail. They said vaginal exam or prison. I said lock me up but dont even think about touching my girl. There were months and lots of home visits. One day a real asshole came inHe wanted to know if I had porn. I said kittens and puppies but who doesn’t get off watching animal porn
    Its years later shay just went with her mom to Hilton Head. She has three siblings. Christopher died.sh

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