Monday Open Thread

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  1. swanspirit says:

    So pretty!!! It is still a beautiful world we live in.

    • lateblum says:

      What beautiful flowers! These are zinnias, right? They remind me that school is starting soon and those amazing colors of fall will be here in a few weeks. And the wonders of the seasons continue even when the world looks like the inmates are running the asylum.
      Plus, what swannie said. 💕

    • foxyladi14 says:

      I agree Swan, So beautiful. ❤

  2. swanspirit says:

    A bit of interesting history

    Today in History: Islam Tears Christendom Apart
    Today in history, on August 20, 636, arguably the single most consequential battle between Islam and the West took place—that of Yarmuk. Occurring just four years after Muslim prophet Muhammad had died, not only did the military engagement decide whether the Arabian creed thrives or dies; it became a chief source of inspiration and instruction for jihadis throughout the centuries, right down to the Islamic State. And yet, very few in the West are even aware of the Battle of Yarmuk’s existence—much less how it motivates contemporary Islamic terrorists.

  3. Dora says:

    Good Morning.

    Thankfully, Henri’s bark was worse than his bite. At least here on Long Island.

    We had a lot of rain, but very little wind and no power outages.

    I hope he was as kind to everyone else in his path.

    • elliesmom says:

      It was a giant fizzle here. There wasn’t even a time the dogs refused to go out. One flicker of the power that wasn’t long enough to reset the clock on the microwave. The rain stopped before dark. More rain predicted for late afternoon, but all of the wind adviseries are down. The NWS still has big scary Henri headlines, though.

  4. Dora says:

    Just what the city needs!


    A Pop-Up Ferris Wheel Is Coming To Times Square

  5. Anthony says:

    Oh boy…

  6. Dora says:

    Well stated Steve.

  7. Somebody says:

    FDA just approved Pfizer vaccine within the last minute or two

    Amazing given that it’s 39% effective against Delta the prominent strain right now🙄 EUA requires at least 50% effectiveness 🙄 I guess they were worried about their cash cow🙄

    Nobody knows what happens to the other vaccines now. They should go poof unless and until they are approved

  8. Helen Kenney says:

  9. Helen Kenney says:

    and then there is kabul kate

  10. Helen Kenney says:

    if ever a president and his cabinet should be tried for treason it is now

    • lyn5 says:

      Biden did his share. He signed a record number of executive orders, many of questionable constitutionality. But now, as has been so painfully and obviously illuminated by the Afghanistan debacle, the president’s competence and reliability are dramatically compromised by clearly advancing symptoms of old age.

      Consequently, we are about to witness a genuine insurrection that will put Jan. 6, 2020, into proper perspective. The unruly mob that stormed the Capitol was weak tea. Even its most militant participants never intended to overthrow the government. Their purpose was simply to have votes recounted and verified, which still hasn’t been done.

      What looms today is far more serious, infinitely more calculated, and definitely more likely to achieve its goal: to replace a sitting president in mid-term, probably against his will. It ain’t gonna be pretty. It has the real possibility of resembling a banana republic coup d’état.

  11. Helen Kenney says:

  12. Helen Kenney says:

    this is a good thing. our education system has been stolen and that hurts our kids

    • elliesmom says:

      I get into a lot of debates about homeschooling. The first argument against it comes from the folks who think most homeschoolers are rightwing religious bigots. The reality is only about 15% of the people who homeschool cite their religious beliefs as the reason they do. But when someone goes off on the kids needing to see both sides of the issue, then I suggest if they believe that, we need to let religion into the schools so those kids can see both sides, too.

      Then they cite the inability of parents to cover subjects like math and science. Most people who attend public schools K-12 can’t explain why we have seasons or the law of conservation of momentum at a 6th grade level. Everytime someone posts an easy order of operations math problem on FB, there are always over a thousand comments from people with a public school education arguing over what the answer is. As long as the people who can’t read when they “graduate” from high school don’t attempt to homeschool their kids, it’s hard to believe most parents can’t do as good a job teaching kids math and science as K-12 teachers are.

      The next argument is homeschooled kids don’t get “proper socialization”. Schools are the only place we separate people out by age. Even prisoners have to learn to get along with people older and younger than they are. The reality is homeschooled kids have many opportunities for socializing with people of all ages. Parents of public school kids are insulted homeschooling parents don’t want their kids socialized with their kids.

      Why public school teachers object to homeschooling is no mystery, but why do parents who send their kids to public school care? Most parents squawk the loudest when they think someone else’s kid is getter a better opportunity than their own. It’s why when a budget needs trimming, it’s the gifted programs that go first. Their “concern” over the kids who may be being taught the Earth is 6000 years old aside, everything they read say most homeschooled kids do better than public school kids. They are sought after by colleges, often become successful entrepreneurs, and at the worst turn out on par with kids who go to public schools.

  13. elliesmom says:

    I have an online friend I’ve met once. She currently lives in CT. She used to live in Nova Scotia, and when we became widowed at about the same time, one of my cousins introduced us online. Although she has stepchildren, she has no children of her own. Those children have made no move to be part of her life since their father’s death. She lives in a huge house and has a big bank account. To say this woman is “high maintenance” would be un understatement. I kind of understand why the stepkids have run for the hills. Her husband did everything for her, and taking care of the big house has overwhelmed her. A close friend suggested she sell the house and move into a 55+ community where most things would be done for her. She found a place she thought she’d like and accepted an offer on her house. Yesterday she withdrew from both. Why? because the thought of packing up the house and moving was too overwhelming. This woman can easily afford to hire a moving company to come in and pack everything, put it in a truck, and be waiting for her at her new place. When Elliesdad changed jobs, he got a moving allowance. I just handed the moving company the keys to both places and took a little vacation. I love my NS cousin, but I’m not going to CT and hold her hand through this.

    Then my brother shows up and cries on my shoulder that my sister-in-law has become a recluse again. He wants me to come to his place and talk her into going out with me somewhere they’ll only let vaccinated people in. He had a fit when I said that would eliminate me. So I’m supposed to go get vaccinated so I can take his neurotic wife out to lunch. I explained to him I love him very much, but I’m not an enabler. I realize I might have missed some things in the years I spent being ED’s caretaker, but do everyone’s friends get nuttier as they age? ED lost some of his cognitive abilities, but he never lost his common sense.

    On a brighter note, my “young friend” who camped out at my house this winter to get away from the nuts had an offer on a house less than 20 minutes away from me accepted on Saturday. One more step toward gathering all of my friends to RI. 🙂 On this “second day of Henri”, the day when the storm is supposed to “circle back”, the sun is shining. It’s 81 degrees, and like it usually is here after a tropical storm, the humidity is very low. A great day for the kids to head down to the beach. Unfortunately, my daughter is on her way to pick them up.

    • Somebody says:

      Good news about the one friend moving closer! As for the lady in CT, I’d avoid that too. If you want to spend time with your SIL, she and your brother can always visit you. Otherwise perhaps her husband should make some special plans to get her out of the house.

      Glad to hear Henri was a fizzle😉

    • Mothy67 says:

      Is it just the two of you? It seems kind of odd that you have all this common sense and your brother from what you have shared seems to operate on emotion. What do I know. I am the most conservative of five and I’m the gay kid. I cannot sit through an hour of Rachel Maddow and big bro Jim can’t watch Tucker. He loves madcow. We had bunk beds. How can we be so far apart. He’s not a screaming banshee lib. He’s a Mitt Romney type.

      • elliesmom says:

        My brother is my mom in male form. Lots of learned helplessness and lets emotions rule the day. I’m my dad. No nonsense. If there’s a problem, deal with it. Whining doesn’t count as doing something. My brother works for a non-profit. It doesn’t matter if it pays the bills because he’s “making the world a better place”. His wife has become convinced she’s going to die, and there won’t be enough money for the burial plot and funeral she wants. I suggested she either call one of the TV insurance companies like Penn Life or start a GoFundMe. My brother knows I helped his daughter out when her fiance committed suicide so I think he thought I’d tell him I’d take care of it. But that a 24 year-old hasn’t planned to lose a spouse is different than a couple in their 60s. I know he’s jealous because I’m in a better place financially than he is, but we had the same parents, went to the same public schools, went to college, and got married and a couple of kids. He will tell you he’s smarter than I am because he’s a Democrat. So be it. He’s smarter. Let him figure it out. 🙂

        • Mothy67 says:

          Jim and I’s story is different. We grew up painfully poor. Perhaps not as painfully as I was lectured. We went to Catholic school. I have called James drunk off my ass in Hyde Park. No idea where my passport was. He comes through always for me. I didn’t stop with London. I also called from Mykonos again broke and drunk. My brother irons his jeans. I sniff mine. He crosses I’s and dot his T’s. He’s my best friend. I’ve been able to run rampant because I have always known he had my back. He is so serious and generally just shakes his head at me. The way of the world – Abu was dying. Abu was the dog. Jim can’t deal with harsh cold reality. He left it to me. I carried Abu in my arms as the most unpleasant took place. Covered in his waste I held him as they put him down. I love mybrother. We get to define each other in some ways. He’d never be able to exist covered in dog shit. I knew Abu was dying and literally shit happens. Jim would perish if a final moment had poop. I rolled with it.

        • swanspirit says:

          My brother has lots of learned helplessness, with some passive aggressive thrown in for good measure. Drives me crazy after a while, and I just have to take a break. I hate whining., I really can’t stand it. I have to get some distance, sometimes.

          • elliesmom says:

            Do you remember when the book “Men are from Mars, and Women are from Venus” came out. I made my husband read it to see if he got the same reaction I did. He said, “I’m sorry, honey, you are a passport carrying Martian, and I am from Earth. The guy who wrote the book is from Uranus. I know, I know. It’s not Your-anus. It’s Ur- ah- nus.” My brother is Venutian all the way. When ED was still alive, after my brother went home, we could have a gentle loving laugh, but without that buffer, I find it harder to keep my patience. BTW, ED would buy my SIL a cemetery plot to see if it would help. Which is why he’s not a Martian. I know she’d just move on to the next thing. (I won’t let her get stuffed in a pine box and dumped in a landfill. Even we Martians aren’t that heartless, but they need to try to find a solution on their own.)

          • swanspirit says:

            I remember that book. But I never read it. Maybe I should have!
            My brother has a kind heart, but he can be infuriating. Or maybe I just find helplessness infuriating. Especially when he is incredibly capable when he wants to do something. Like his photography.

          • elliesmom says:

            My brother has been writing a book for 40 years. Nothing to show anyone, but he introduces himself as a writer. Both my daughter and my daughter-in-law are published authors, and both of them have offered help, but he refuses. He just needs “time”. He was unemployed for a year awhile back.

          • lateblum says:

            One of my college roommates had her first mystery novel published while we were juniors in college. We were all so happy and proud of her.

  14. Helen Kenney says:

  15. Mothy67 says:

    One of Shay’s friends tested positive. Says it felt like a bad cold. Never knocked her out. Everybody is supposed to get tested who had any contact. None of her four siblings or parents got sick. She was working at her father’s construction company handling deliveries so every supplier has to be tested. Health department called Shay, but not me. She wasn’t advised to be tested now but they suggested she be before school starts. Piss poor job of tracking. I got no call and Meg was here. I went to a funeral. Quite a few got on planes. Meg has cleared it with no meds. I think it’s been over a week. So far no one that I know of other than the space cadet has been stricken if the delta variant is that contagious you’d think at least one other person would fall ill. I wonder if it did spread, but was mild.

  16. Mothy67 says:

    I often read Gab in the middle of the night when insomnia drops by. The Down Under crew tends to be active in the wee hours. The covid stuff is insane in Australia. I doubted the veracity it is that far off the charts. Not possible. Well Oz asked the Kiwi’s to hold their beer.

  17. Helen Kenney says:

    listening to the pentagon statement , we have no idea of how to get every American and our troops and Afghans who work for us out by Aug 31st. due to the politicians, the princes of the palace can figure out what to do.

  18. Mothy67 says:

    Glen Greenwald on Australia
    But for some sectors of the liberal-left, this form of authoritarianism — the state controls your actions in the name of protecting you — is *appealing*. They wish there were more of this in the US.

    Being ordered not to live life in the name of safety offers fetal comfort.

  19. Helen Kenney says:

    A question was asked about American military going with taliban to find Americans. weird thought, since we have now given them our weapons and uniforms, think of them using them to give the appearance of our military helping them

  20. Helen Kenney says:

    looks like bid-on and the benedicts got what they wanted, the USA is so weakened that our allies no longer trust us

  21. Mothy67 says:

    My nephew, Shay’s dad was like Taliban. The dims are like people that got an MSW. Pup’s dad hooked a girl on heroin, knocked out her front teeth, and put her to work on the streets. I have liberal friends who thought he needed to be understood. That can be okay, I guess. It was like that Harf thing saying ISIS needed jobs. I had one job protect kid. It was pretty simple. I ain’t getting caught up in that kinda crazy. I assume some (few) can be redeemed. Most assholes stay assholes. Taliban is asshole. I quit smoking a few times a year. I step away from booze. I have no drug inclinations. I dont think I am superior. I start smoking again and again and again. I am a flawed person. I know where I fall short. I’ve done rehab. My eyes were wide open. You can’t fix stupid. Afghanistan is like brutal hardcore drugs. It is what it is. No nice thoughts save a junkie. You can kill yourself trying to save a bad addict. Isn’t that what nation building was. It’s codependent. I have drank way too much. I didn’t hit bottom like those I saw in rehab. I can’t get a bad credit score or lose a tooth. I floss. I just can’t go there. I have made the acquaintance with kids who died cause they stopped doing junk and went out and got a hot shot. They die. Shay’s dad died in a motorcycle accident. There was a reason I never wanted her in a car with him. Honesty can be brutal. Rudy made quality of life crimes a thing. You jump a turnstile odds are you are a criminal. Taking offenders off the street helps everybody. To me liberals/progressives are like people who got a certificate from a community college. They think of nothing but feels. Maria Harf actually commented after beheadings that ISIS needed jobs. It’s half scary that she said it, it’s the love child of Micheal Myers, Freddy Kruger, Jigsaw, and Lizzie Bordan that she believed it. Those words left her mouth. Seriously ever person I knew who listed beheadings as a hobby on Linkdn ceased random decapitation when McDonald’s increased wages.

  22. Helen Kenney says:

    a small piece of good news in the Afghan fiasco. Woman gave birth on plane while being evacuated. Pilot took plane down to an altitude to help with air pressure and our military delivered the baby. best comment I heard was from Joey Jones on outnumbered ” life always finds a way”

    • lyn5 says:

      ❤ We should have evacuated every Afghan who helped America first and welcomed them here, but Democrats love their shit shows.

  23. swanspirit says:

    Marines on guard at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan.
    Marines on guard at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan. Sniper fire killed on member of the Afghan security forces at the airport on Monday, and drew Marines into a firefight.
    US Forces Involved in Chaotic Firefight at Kabul Airport

  24. Mothy67 says:

    Shay told me water is essential and if I didn’t want to provide it I should have thought about that when she was 4 months old. I took her on so I owe her bottled water? We are at war over water. She does not back down. Never in my life did I think I’d be batting heads with a 15 year old over water. There is a brita pitcher in the fridge. We have tap. Sporty Spice has to drink ice cold water. It could be worse. I have cases of soda she doesn’t touch. Good Lord though she has to have bottled as do I but she gets up around 7 and fills that 50 dollar sports bottle withbottled then she puts ice cubes in. Ice comes from tap. There are a billion ways things can run amok with a teen girl. I am dueling with a child over water!?!?!? There’s a full bar in the basement. She doesn’t steal vodka. I argue over bottled water. It’s not even like we don’t have water. Four feet from fridge is pantry. Right now there six cases. She just won’t replace. She is the best kid you can imagine. I never need to raise my voice, but somehow bottled water became her thing. I am only half stoopid. I get she is keeping me on my toes, but good God who has a daily fight over bottled water. She is not backing down. Is it what some call parenthood? Is she mad at me because I kept her from her dad? He couldn’t stay out of jail and used his fists I can take anger. Of it all I never foresaw water issue. I know Shay loves me. We have had previous schisms about music. She wouldn’t listen to Nirvana covering Bowie. She listens to The Man who Sold the World all the time. My Zep vinyl she has played on a record player to death. Fool in the Rain is my favorite song ever made. He’s waiting on the wrong corner. It means something when you discuss the literature of music. You may want to shoot me but I’d compare Led Zep to Wordsworth. Barry Manilow is a poet. Shay and I fought a bit about tunes. I had about 12 milk crates of vinyl and endless 45’s with the yellow thing. I think she owns every remarkable album on vinyl. Tea for the Tillerman, Breakfast in America, Tapestry, Madonna- Madonna. She was reluctant. I am old. She calls me from parties and asks if I know AC/DC and what’s a good party song. Duh Shook Me All Night Long.

    • elliesmom says:

      Parenthood requires learning to say “no”, meaning it, and sticking to your guns. You can be a friend, a buddy, and a doormat, or you can be a parent. Can’t do both. ❤

      • Mothy67 says:

        It does change as they age. I don’t really need to enforce anything. She gets the grades she gets because she answers to herself. We have a deal that she gets whatever the latest phone is as long as she gets A’s. I don’t spend a 1,000 on each years phone. She has the 12 (i think) it costs me 13 a month. We’ll upgrade in another year. It still cost 13. She isn’t answering to me about grades. It is her nature to do the best she can. I give a lot of credit to ballet. Last summer when I got the emergency call the ER doc was like she has punished herself. He said when kids come in he has to do a lot of judgement. Pup wasn’t even legally intoxicated. Some of the kids had passed out. Shay had two vodka and cranberries. She cried hard. It was bizarre that a few parents went insane. Not my style. I said babe I’m not happy. We had future talks about why I took issue. Things like a girl getting drugged scare me more than a teen getting a bay breeze. Some of the parents wanted to sue the house from whence the vodka flowed. Bey’s dad was on the street screaming. . good grief. You load her up on anti anxiety dope. There were nine kids. They had one bottle of Grey Goose. No one was dying. If anyone got sick it was due to mixing pills and alcohol. Had it been Shay my fingers would have been down her throat. I wouldn’t be screaming and crying on the street demanding arrests. We all had to go to ER because of one girl. Docs have to report if they think things aren’t right. That can change a life. Shay could have been banned from volley ball. Nearly everyone was normal. Docs, nurses, police. Save this one father. He blamed everyone else including Shay. I put the skids on their friendship. I know my rugrat. I believe I know a bit more about substance abuse than most non addiction specialists. I have been there. A few times. Buttercup is my favorite person alive. I don’t see her ever being a drunk. She won’t watch last season of Shameless because Frank reminds her of me and she thinks he dies. Spoiler alert he does.I don’t steal social security checks from an aunt I buried in the yard. I say things no one else says. I am asshole. I’m only occasionally rude. I say what I think. Suburbia can be rife with Karens. Gina is my nemesis. Known each other since pre K. Her daughter has a key to my house. I love Gina. When I was making sure I got my RDA of bourbon Gina always drove me home. I asked her when she caught Jungle Fever. Her children are black. No one near us would ask such a question. I violated some fancy pants rule. Gina answered me. Her parents were both do gooder teachers. They raised her in a ghetto to prove to others they weren’t racist. Well time tells Gina made black babies and grandmother started teaching at all white catholic school. Gina is my mortal enemy. She voted for Trump. Her daughter is a superstar. Captain of cheerleading. Between kier and shay we have the two highest achieving kids at school. Michelle is a Karen to the extreme. She wept over Roseanne saying Planet of the Apes. Karens are scary.

  25. Helen Kenney says:

    stay in step or funds will be cut off
    to hell with the people you are supposed to represent, they are just fodder for the voting machine

    • Cisco says:

      I wouldn’t miss the formality of a Courts-Martial, but would be quite satisfied with a Drum-head Court-martial out in the field, in front of those that have been betrayed & abandoned

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