Let’s start with this:
With the circumstances of Bergdahl’s disappearance no longer in any substantial doubt, the remaining outrage has focused on the Obama administration’s decision to trade five high-value Taliban terror detainees for him – several years after the Pentagon decided he wasn’t worth recovering.
Yet it appears the administration believed it would win a PR victory big enough to eclipse any legalistic hand-wringing on Capitol Hill, and whatever objections might surface among the military rank-and-file.
A White House official told MailOnline on Monday morning that Obama’s deputies were caught flatfooted by the intensity of public outrage in some quarters after Bergdahl’s rescue by Special Forces.
‘Everyone thought this would be a January 1981 moment,’ the insider said, referring to the negotiated release of 52 U.S. hostages in Iran after 444 days in captivity.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that there aren’t any military veterans in Obama’s inner circle. If there were I would expect that they would have told him that ransoming a deserter would not sit well with the millions of men and women who served in uniform.
But you can’t really blame them for guessing wrong, right? It’s not like anything like this has ever happened before, has it?
The story of Marine Pvt. Bobby Garwood is one of the strangest of the strange war America fought in Vietnam from 1959 to 1975. Captured by the Viet Cong in 1965, Garwood spent 14 years in North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camps, and when he was finally released in 1979, he came home not to a grateful nation but to a vengeful U.S. Marine Corps that put him on trial for allegedly collaborating with the enemy.
Branded a “traitor,” Garwood has become over the years the most vilified Marine in U.S. history. At his 1980 court-martial, Marine prosecutors accused him of desertion, encouraging other American soldiers to defect, maltreatment of fellow POWs, wearing the enemy’s uniform and carrying the enemy’s weapons.
Eventually, the Marine Corps dropped the charge of desertion — a charge even the top brass realized might be hard to prove against a Marine who had only 10 days left on his one-year Vietnam tour and was clearly looking forward to going home to Indiana.
But Garwood, a Jeep driver and headquarters gofer who never saw combat until he got lost one day and was captured by the VC at gunpoint, was still charged with “unauthorized absence” from his unit. After a hasty court-martial, Garwood was convicted of helping the enemy, reduced to the lowest rank in the Marine Corps and stripped of all pay and allowances — including the $148,000 in private’s pay that had built up during his 14 years in captivity.
Marine PFC Robert “Bobby” Garwood was not a prisoner of war for fourteen years. He was arguably a POW for eight years, but he voluntarily chose to remain behind when all the rest of our POWs from the Vietnam War were released in 1973. That might have had something to do with the fact that he collaborated with the enemy.
In 1979 he slipped a note to a Finnish diplomat in Vietnam and when the story broke the Vietnamese government quickly turned him over to us. A few years later he tried to claim that he had witnessed several other American POWs remaining in Vietnam after the war, but none were ever found and his story never check out. His claims were made during a period when there were several movies based on the idea of “lost” POWs.
I was in the army when Garwood returned, and I can tell you what the reaction was among me and my fellow soldiers. We considered Garwood a traitorous scumbag and we were disappointed that he wasn’t imprisoned.
The past few days we have seen many Democrats proclaiming that they “support our troops” and that it is always imperative that we “leave no man behind.” I say bullshit.
As a general rule we always want to take all reasonable steps to bring our service men and women home – alive if possible, but even their remains are precious. But bringing them home safely is not our military’s primary goal. We sent them into harm’s way for a reason.
No one would reasonably expect us to surrender to the enemy just to recover one of our captured troops. That is simply too high a price. But reasonable people could disagree on what price is acceptable.
It is very clear that Bowe Bergdahl was a deserter and possibly a traitor. If he is a traitor he deserves to die or spend the rest of his life in prison. Why would we want to ransom a traitor? He should be like Edward Snowden, forced to live in permanent exile in his new home.
But lets assume that he was merely a deserter. He has broken his oath and abandoned his buddies. Perhaps that doesn’t deserve punishment, but does he deserve any kind of support or consideration from us? We might take Bergdahl back the same way we did Bobby Garwood, but we shouldn’t have to pay for him.
FYI: Garwood is 68 years old and currently lives in Greenwood, Indiana.
gee and he did not have to go on a waiting list to get treated
Wow, 2 posts in one morning! That new wriagra must be da bomb!
Look at the time of the first one.
Well, it was morning somewhere! LOL
Allah sucks, may piss be upon them.
Amen
I am reminded of the WW 2 Japanese stragglers. I guess you could call them the anti-Garwoods & anti-Bergdahls. They refused to believe that Japan had surrendered so they hid in the jungle, some for years, continuing to wage a war already lost.
https://twitter.com/instapundit/status/473826719921479680
Via Hot Air:
A truer deduction has seldom been made. The Pentagon had decided that Bergdahl wasn’t worth the cost of a Special Forces hat much less one of their lives. I suspect his father knew this thus the whining and wheedling on the twitter with Al Qaeda.
The Taliban supporting royalty of the Middle East wanted their high value prisoners back. Gitmo chaps their ass. The Emir of Quatar (sp?) was being squired around by his fanboy Bronco. He even took him to the West Point graduation. Bronco needed a cover story to hand the terrorists over as a favor to the Emir. So a swap is born. Hell, the Emir may pay Bronco when he is out of office. They didn’t have a lot of time, they are incompetent, and they needed a diversion from the VA implosion. Shinseki committed seppuku the day before so a change of subject was direly needed. I think they knew and realized how awful Bergdahl is but they were in a hurry, sent Rice out to lie like an idiot, thought the non-disclosure statements were for forever instead of just until he was dead or returned, and they have absolutely no clue about military culture. They also have no concept of honor nor do they give a shit about loss of life especially soldiers who are peons to them. They fucked up badly. In an election year! They also got to sneak in their EPA rules.
Someone on another site opines that Bronco was blackmailed by someone into releasing these Gitmo prisoners for their silence on Benghazi. Adjusting my tinfoil hat as anything could be possible given his narcissistic attitude/behavior.
Qatar finances Al Qaeda in Syria, who our CIA is apparently working with on the Sunni rebel side. Qatar (as well as Saudis) also finance Greens around the world including Hollywood anti-fracking films like Matt Damon’s Promised Land.
Qatar was also one of the Sunni nations financing the weapons movement from Benghazi to Sunni rebels in Syria (transit through Turkey).
Lotta blackmail potential there.
https://twitter.com/votermom/status/473825920726601729
Obama is a case study in what happens when the proggies’ twisted fantasies become real.
What about the dashed fantasies of a ballet dancer named Bergdahl. He tried to join the French Foreign Legion. They said no. He tried to be a Special Forces soldier. They said no too. He got to combat and he was disillusioned because it was fucking hard. So he wrote a note, sneaked out, and went to find the Taliban. Now exactly who had the twisted butt-hurt fantasies?
LOL if true
It works, I tried it! LMAO!
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I wish Edward Snowden didn’t have a reason to live in exile; I do not think it is wrong that he outed illegal government activity (I am grateful he did), but rather I wish that there wasn’t illegal activity to out. I wish (naively) that we lived in a society where the government didn’t spy on its citizens. (If wishes were horses…)
I am definitely not in the “shoot the messenger” camp.
http://americanthinker.com/2014/06/did_bowe_bergdahl_purposefully_offer_himself_as_a_bargaining_chip.html
willing captured?
Hmmm? The mysterious death of Michael Hastings ? Probably why we don’t get many “good” investigative reporters these days. He wrote the Rolling Stone article on Bergdahl in 2012…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)
I still think Breitbart was murdered too. Happy TinFoil Tuesday 😀
Gonna need a bigger box of foil ….. did Bergdahl’s dad claim the White House in the name of Islam?
http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/bombshell-first-words-bergdahls-father-white-house-arabic/
Are we needing to muster some troops to straighten out this mess?
Apparently the easiest way to separate slobbering idiots from the general populace is by show of hands.
All those considering it appropriate to automatically promote deserters during their absence raise your right hands. Now step over here. Here’s your sign!
Heartbreaking…..
Chuck Todd: W.H. Expected ‘Euphoria’ Over Bergdahl Release:
They really do have their head buried where the sun don’t shine.
Euphoria is a silly word to use as a reaction to the prisoner swap.
Remember the media frenzy over Jessica Lynch? Why haven’t we seen even one photo of poor sick just released Bergdahl?
https://twitter.com/votermom/status/473878462546341888
… or like his daddy.
I was trying to think of Jessica Lynch’s name today, found this update….
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/19/17373606-iraq-war-10-years-later-where-are-they-now-jessica-lynch?lite
http://weaselzippers.us/188255-unreal-carney-says-bowe-bergdahl-served-with-honor-and-distinction/
guess the backtrack bunch have a different definition of ” honor and distinction” then most people
http://weaselzippers.us/188222-dem-sen-chris-murphy-obama-haters-shouldnt-attack-bergdahl-because-he-chose-to-fight-to-protect-the-rest-of-us/
that koolaid is one hell of a drug ask chris murphy
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/06/american-exceptionalism-in-the-time-of-obama.php
OUCH
http://patdollard.com/2014/06/developing-fnc-reports-traitor-bergdahl-renounced-u-s-citizenship/
left note renouncing US citizenship
http://ulstermanbooks.com/barack-obama-smiles-muslim-war-cry-issued-white-house-video/
watch backtrack during this appearence with deserter’s daddy
http://reason.com/24-7/2014/06/02/bowe-bergdahl-what-the-left-right-and-ta
what the right, left and talbon say about bergdahl’s release
https://twitter.com/votermom/status/473938459749392385
Have I ever said just how much I loathe POTUS?
http://weaselzippers.us/188282-troops-react-with-silence-when-hagel-informs-them-of-bergdahls-release/
wow that went over like a lead balloon
Imma go with option 3: They didn’t like what they heard and were too polite to boo.
Bowe is an American. He is innocent until proven guilty. So far all we have is hearsay and “I read in ____ magazine that _____.” I believe we should let the US Army do it’s investigation and let it decide if he is a traitor, deserter, victim, or what have you.
Hey dumbass — the accounts of the soldiers in his unit is not “hearsay” — it is direct testimony.
Stop using words that you don’t understand.
That sure sums it up.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/03/bergdahls-team-leader-drops-unsettling-details-about-what-happened-after-the-soldier-deserted-army-base/
this is very interesting
http://weaselzippers.us/188333-groan-hillary-clinton-was-against-bergdahl-deal-with-the-taliban-before-she-was-for-it/
first she was against the deal, then she was for the deal
The team obama threats to run Warren against her in the primaries were strong incentive to change her objections.
http://weaselzippers.us/188317-obama-told-harry-reid-about-bergdahl-swap-not-john-boehner-or-mitch-mcconnell/
backtrack told reid but not the republicans about swap
What’s even worse, he told Reid but not Intel Committee member Feinstein, a Dem Senator and boy, is she pissed.
He just does whatever the fuck he wants , doesn’t he ?
Pretty much.
It’s one thing to support your party’s POTUS but senators do have egos and nobody likes to get their prerogatives stepped on.
Obot commenters on NYT, Salon, Slate, and other Dem strongholds are spinning like crazy and are in full anti-Repub fury. Going by that, I’d say this is hurting them.
All I can figure from this is that Obama and his circle have a fundamental disrespect for the military. This goes back to Janet Napolitano talking about how dangerous returning soldiers were. They really believe that it is a stupid thing for anyone to volunteer to go into combat. To them, Bergdahl just did another dumb thing and is therefore equal to all the other military in Afghanistan.
Really off off topic
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WNt to ssy thank you. This place has been a vent for me for years. I am aware there is little I csn fix but my frustrations have been assuaged reading here.
HUGS !!
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Fuck the polls people are pissed off. Really pissed off. Mothers are screaming in pubs. A million man militia ain’t gonna go anywhere these women’s rage